[14:19] <ScottL> good morning everyone
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Hey ScottL 
[14:20] <ScottL> how are you this morning smartboyhw ?
[14:20] <ScottL> do you still want to write news for the website?
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ScottL, good
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ScottL, yes
[14:21] <ScottL> i'm hoping to tidy a few things up today, including some wiki stuff, and i hope getting the PR team stuff lined out is one of them :)
[14:21] <smartboyhw> ScottL, oh good:D
[14:29] <ScottL> although i am beginning to suspect that this page might be better if it were actually several pages...there is a lot of information that should be included IMO
[14:30] <ScottL> but i'll do one page for now just to get it done, we can adjust things later as needed of course
[14:34] <zequence> ScottL: Which wiki page is that?
[14:34] <ScottL> the PR team page
[14:34] <ScottL> i was adding a few things about the team itself along with converting what ttoine did into a matrix and completing the milestone vs channel data
[14:34] <zequence> ScottL: A new one, or this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelations ?
[14:34] <ScottL> also giving it a logical structure
[14:35] <ScottL> should be that one
[14:35] <ScottL> yes, that one
[14:36]  * ScottL is listening to moonlight sonatat
[14:37] <zequence> ScottL: Moonlight was added afterwards. I suspect, the first piece in that sonata is more of a song of lost love
[14:37]  * smartboyhw is typing...
[14:38] <ScottL> i've always found this a very moving piece
[14:38] <zequence> It's one of a kind
[14:39] <zequence> ScottL: A task that I put on myself, but haven't finished yet, is deciding on events to post about.
[14:40] <ScottL> we have a fairly comprehensive list on the page already....i had worried about making sure that we weren't missing any possible event. then i realized i'm trying to make things perfect again, so i'll moving forward with what we have and we can fix and iterate as needed
[14:41] <ScottL> i'm really trying to avoid that paralyzing "strive for perfection" that has inhibited me too often
[14:41] <smartboyhw> ScottL, that list is enough for me also:D
[14:42] <ScottL> aye, smartboyhw, i actually expect that we will most likely _remove_ items from there as "official events for PR" :P
[14:42] <zequence> I think we can really post everything on social sites, if we want to. While, on mail lists, we need to be more restrictive
[14:42] <ScottL> zequence: definitely agreed!
[14:42] <smartboyhw> ScottL, oh:P
[14:42] <smartboyhw> zequence, +1
[14:42] <smartboyhw> mailing lists aren't for that much spam
[14:42] <ScottL> i feel that social is more informal 
[14:42] <smartboyhw> (well of course that is not spam but...)
[14:43] <smartboyhw> ScottL, if social is not more informal that what is?
[14:43] <zequence> So, a matrix for those two channels would be pretty easy to follow
[14:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, +999999999
[14:43]  * smartboyhw is syncing the Chrome OS source code to see how he should make of it
[14:43] <ScottL> but i also wanted to define a few things like the team structure, how to join, what the strategy for PR is, etc, etc...just so others can easily understand a few things wihtout having to bug others :P
[14:44] <smartboyhw> ScottL, of course we have to:P
[14:44] <ScottL> smartboyhw: i meant is that i view social media is more informal (and therefore we can "spam" it more) than ML, which might be used in a more "formal" way
[14:44] <smartboyhw> ScottL, yes that's what I meant
[14:46] <zequence> Technically, one will only need to do a maximum amount of three different posts. One via WP to all social channels, except G+. A separate post to G+. And one to mail lists. 
[14:47]  * smartboyhw agrees
[14:48] <zequence> ScottL: I also think it might be a good idea to have some type of posts reserved for those who are responsible. Such as project lead should post release notes. Testing should post about testing, etc
[14:49] <ScottL> aye, i wasn't defining that at this point, but i was noting that this should most likely be done
[14:49] <zequence> Probably anything that is posted on mail lists will be reserved, since all of that is pretty formal
[14:49] <zequence> So, the informal stuff would only be on social channels
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Yep
[14:50] <zequence> ScottL: These are all things I've been thinking about adding myself to the wiki
[14:51] <zequence> ScottL: Oh, and of course, there's a difference between posting on our own mail lists, which is almost on the same level as social sites
[14:51] <zequence> between our lists and other mail lists..
[14:52] <zequence> Our lists are a bit more informal..
[14:52] <zequence> These next two weeks will be very busy for me, so I won't be doing any work on Ubuntu Studio, other than what is nessecary
[14:53] <smartboyhw> zequence, eh I can't understand why OUR list is more informal
[14:53] <ScottL> zequence: how do you feel about posting on the website? should there be a functionality for "informal" posts by any PR team member? for example, what if holstein wanted to post that he was about to start testing something or howard was to say that he was starting coding something?
[14:55] <smartboyhw> ScottL, then it should be about multimedia (which probably I am not gonna code anything in it)
[14:55] <zequence> ScottL: I don't think it's a good idea for us to post anything about personal engagements, as it is better to do that on personal blogs/channels. 
[14:56] <zequence> ScottL: unless of course, some of us was interviewed, and we wanted to share that on our channels
[14:56] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK then first thing we are gonna add is your interview video during UDS
[14:56] <smartboyhw> (:P)
[14:56] <ScottL> zequence: right, i might all ubuntu studio related posts, but the types of quick notes almost, as opposed to a more thoughout, expansive, or formal news post
[14:57] <ScottL> s/might/meant
[14:57] <ScottL> if "news" posts on the ubuntu studio website are going to be automatically pushed to the social media channels, this might be a good and easy idea
[14:58] <zequence> ScottL: I'm not against everything being posted on our website news page. The problem might be that it could get flooded
[14:58] <zequence> ScottL: If that is a danger, than we should probably only post formal stuff, like we do on mail lists, other than Ubuntu Studio
[14:58] <ScottL> it could, and it might at first, but i would suspect it would level off as well :P
[14:58] <zequence> But, have links to our social sites
[14:58] <zequence> we could also add a new feed to the website, showing a few posts from social sites
[14:59] <ScottL> when i post things for ubuntu studio i actually use my laptop with vanilla ubuntu and use the 'broadcast' app which is very helpful
[14:59] <zequence> So, when you go to see news, you see the formal stuff as posts, but in a sideview you'd see some social posting as well
[15:01] <zequence> ScottL: Just remembered, the plugin. So, whatever is posted on social sites will also be posted on the main site
[15:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, that's quite good. So when I go to ubuntustudio.org I can see the twitter/g+/gwibber/facebook posts about Ubuntu Studio rolling in the sideline, while the main news is in the middle. Great impression:D
[15:02] <zequence> ScottL: And the easiest way for the visitor to filter posts, is to use the category links on the sidebar.
[15:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yeah, I don't think that's an option right now, though. We'd need to do some coding on the website theme
[15:03] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. 
[15:05] <ScottL> zequence: we might be discussing two different plugins. i believe you mentioned one that i call a 'social media ticker' which scrubs social media and shows a real-time, updating display of posts with a certain hashtag
[15:05] <ScottL> zequence: i was talking about something ttoine had mentioned, a plugin that would broadcast our news items from the website out to various social media
[15:07] <smartboyhw> ScottL, we should implement both
[15:07] <ScottL> smartboyhw: i am not suggested we choose one or the other :)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:08] <ScottL> i was only asking zequence's thoughts on how formalized we should make "news" posts on our website (ones that we create and then hit the 'publish' button) given that these can also be pushed to social media
[15:09] <ScottL> at this point, i like the idea of people (on the PR team only) making small announcements on the website, like "i'm starting work on foo and bar now. hope to have something in time for next week"
[15:11] <zequence> ScottL: No, because at first you were talking about what sort of posts we should have at our website. And I suggested, in order to separate formal from informal, we could recode the website to show posts in two different places. But, then I remembered how the plugin works, so at least for now, I'm not sure how that works. Since we have to do all posts to social sites from the website
[15:11] <smartboyhw> ScottL, hmm no. Then almost everybody will need to be in the PR team then///
[15:12] <zequence> I think we can probably post something, then make it a draft on the website, if we really wanted to filter out informal postings from the website news
[15:12] <zequence> ScottL: I think we have a very different idea of what the material for postings should be. Until now, I have not heard anyone talking about posting about personal work
[15:13] <zequence> ScottL: Only stuff like is already listed on the wiki
[15:13] <ScottL> zequence: by "personal work" do you mean non-ubuntustudio?
[15:14] <zequence> ScottL: I mean like what you just proposed. Just like diary notes from people working on Ubuntu Studio
[15:14] <ScottL> okay
[15:14] <zequence> Just because the posts go on social sites, doesn't mean we need to post from a personal point of view. The person is Ubuntu Studio after all
[15:15] <zequence> ScottL: I think maybe this discussion is just complicating things
[15:16] <ScottL> right, i was going to gently drop it, actually :D
[15:16] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:17] <zequence> Personally, I only feel what is lacking from the wiki is the clear oversight of what posts go to which channels, and who does some of the formal postings
[15:18] <zequence> Once that is done, I think everyone can just go to work.
[15:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah 
[15:18] <zequence> Once the plugin is installed, and ready to be used, that is..
[15:45] <ScottL> zequence:  which plugin? and any ETa on it?
[15:46] <zequence> ScottL: The plugin that I linked to in my email a while back. rt.ubuntu.com has changed the status of my request, but no word on ETA
[15:47] <ScottL> this is the one that pushes to social media, right?
[15:47] <zequence> Yea. jetpack
[15:47] <zequence> I haven't been talking about any other plugins
[15:59] <smartboyhw> bye zequence ScottL 
[15:59] <ScottL> bye smartboyhw 
[16:11] <ScottL> i am finished at this point with the PR website wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelations
[16:12] <ScottL> the matrix is NOT complete, i simply put enough in there so others can understand the purpose (hopefully), it will need to be complete by adding other channels (listed below) and correcting the Y's and N's
[16:14] <ScottL> i need to get other things done today, but i will come back to this page later this afternoon
[19:34] <ScottL> len-dt: do you remember what was decided for the version number being included in the plymouth text theme?
[20:58] <len-dt> ScottL, I am thnking you wanted me to remove the version from plymouth and ad it to lightdm.
[21:57] <ScottL> len-dt: ah, yes. i remember now. thank you :)  i was just saying that if we are hardcore about a version number it could be in the lightdm background...if we really want the version number
[22:01] <len-dt> ScottL, in any case I should remove the version in plymouth.
[22:02] <ScottL> len-dt: not trying to be difficult with this question, but...
[22:02] <ScottL> does it make sense to remove it from plymouth?
[22:02] <len-dt> ScottL, personally I am good either way.
[22:03] <len-dt> The graphic theme has no version and the text version does
[22:09] <len-dt> ScottL, In the end, all I am waiting for is someone to say "make it so"
[22:10] <ScottL> len-dt: "make it so, number one"
[22:10] <ScottL> there :D
[22:10] <len-dt> ScottL, Make so which way? Versioned or not?
[22:11] <ScottL> i would make the plymouth theme unversioned
[22:11] <len-dt> Right. got it.
[22:11] <ScottL> if we are very, very concerned about showing a version (which i really don't think it all _that_ important), we can always do so in the lightdm background
[22:12] <len-dt> ScottL, probably even have a script that does it based on the version number
[22:13] <ScottL> oh yeah
[22:43] <zequence> ScottL: I redid the matrix bit, and really tried to simplify it as much as possible https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelations
[22:44] <zequence> I hope the assignee part is ok with everyone
[22:45] <ScottL> i think it is brilliant,very much easier to read, understand, and follow
[22:45] <ScottL> heh, i just noticed that some of the links have syntax errors
[22:46] <zequence> ScottL: What links?
[22:47] <zequence> Oh, and I'm not sure about what would be the preferred way to edit the actual posts
[22:47] <zequence> I'm thinking we want to add links and pictures sometimes
[22:47] <ScottL> forums and maybe the user mailing list one
[22:47] <zequence> Yea
[22:48] <ScottL> user's list still has the pipe in the middle of it
[22:48] <zequence> The website posts may be a little different. One could just add some stuff to those posts
[22:48] <zequence> ScottL: The user mail list is written like that, is not?
[22:49] <zequence> I misunderstood your one comment. Didn't realize you were talking about syntax errors
[22:50] <zequence> Ah, now I see it
[22:50] <zequence> fixed it
[22:51] <zequence> ScottL: If you're ok with it, we could just delete the legacy data. If we have everything we need as is
[22:59] <ScottL> yeah, yeah. i was going to ask you about deleting it as well
[23:15] <zequence> ScottL: Ok, so we are all set then, I guess. I think for now, probably the only person who'd have anything to do is ttoine, and holstein (when he'll have the time)
[23:15] <zequence> Of course, you and me could do some non formal posting as well, if we wanted to
[23:16] <zequence> Ahh, but the plugin is not in place. Keep forgetting that
[23:26] <ScottL> it looks good zequence, thank you very much
[23:27] <ScottL> do you want to update the blueprint for the matrix tasks?
[23:38] <ScottL> zequence: i think i can add other to the existing g+ ubuntu studio page. would you like me to try your warpmail email for an invitation?
[23:39] <zequence> ScottL: My main mail is zequence@mousike.me
[23:40] <ScottL> incidentally, 'owners' and 'managers' for g+ are explained here; http://support.google.com/plus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&p=pages_multi_admin&answer=2380625
[23:40] <ScottL> sending invite now
[23:43] <zequence> ScottL: Cool. It works
[23:43] <ScottL> outstanding! i'm not sure that is a task to mark done but i want to
[23:43] <ScottL> ;)
[23:44] <ScottL> afk a bit again
[23:52] <zequence> I wonder if we are getting too much credit sometimes http://www.muktware.com/articles/3260/download-awesome-ubuntu-studio-wallpaper?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+muktware/feeds+%28Muktware.com%29&utm_content=Google+Reader#.ULvpn5GDAdM