[00:15] <Guest79652> I have just installed xubuntu sound is very low it was load in kubuntu can you please help
[00:15] <Guest79652> loud
[00:16] <sajan> Guest79652, have you gone to Menu > Multimedia > PulseAudio Volume Control and adjusted the levels for your device in the 'Output Devices' tab?  I know of a couple installation where it wasn't at 100% by default for some reason.
[00:17] <Guest79652> ok not sure how to get to that sorry I see applications
[00:18] <sajan> Guest79652, in the applications menu at the top left of the screen.  Go to Multimedia and click on PulseAudio Volume Control.
[00:19] <Guest79652> there is nothing named that sorry
[00:21] <sajan> Guest79652, in a terminal run the following command: pavucontrol
[01:11] <kevin_> hello everyone
[01:11] <UnderControl> Hiya kevin_
[01:12] <kevin_> i'm a french newbie on xubuntu and i follow documentation's advices to connect on #xubuntu
[01:13] <knome> welcome
[01:13] <kevin_> thx a lot
[02:12] <hmsimha> hey.. anyone know why all the text on my xubuntu install looks so short?
[02:12] <hmsimha> like it seems squished.. i'm running it in the same display mode that I had windows running in
[02:14] <GridCube> hmsimha, you can change the fonts to your likeness
[02:15] <GridCube> i particularly like to change it to ubuntu light 10
[02:16] <hmsimha> @GridCube, I've tried changing it, but even in my browser, where the webpages select the font, the fonts look too short.. it's a little hard to read
[02:16] <GridCube> hmsimha, care to share a screenshot please?
[02:16] <hmsimha> if i change it in the browser it only affects the default fonts
[02:17] <hmsimha> yeah i'll do that, hd on one sec
[02:19] <hmsimha> GridCube: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12012012-081838pm.php
[02:20] <GridCube> hmsimha, those fonts are huge
[02:21] <GridCube> do you need special fonts or this is the problem?
[02:21] <vinicius> good evening!
[02:21] <GridCube> i mean, do you need smaller fonts?
[02:21] <GridCube> or you need the browser to use the big ones?
[02:22] <hmsimha> hmm i've never changed the font settings in windows and have no problems reading anything except every now and then when I have to CTRL+ a specific website
[02:22] <GridCube> :)
[02:23] <GridCube> oh, hmsimha could you log off and login using the guest account for a moment and check if this issue replicates there?
[02:23] <hmsimha> just installed xubuntu, and it seemed to me like it was harder to read everything, I changed the system font to a monospaced font and that seemed to help a bit, but when I'm in the browser I'm still getting the default webpage fonts, and when they render it's a little hard to read
[02:24] <hmsimha> ok, brb
[02:24] <GridCube> !hi | vinicius
[02:25] <vinicius> thank you guys
[02:27] <hmsimha2> Gridcube http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12012012-082523pm.php
[02:27] <GridCube> hmsimha2, yes, thats how its suppose to look
[02:27] <GridCube> so, the thing is you need larger fonts
[02:28] <GridCube> i recommend you to use ubuntu light 16
[02:30] <GridCube> on firefox go to the options and change the default fonts to the same, or bigger, and go to advanced there and untick the box that says "let webpages choose their own font"
[02:31] <GridCube> on the rest of the programs that use their own rendering fonts you need to do similar things, like in xchat or pidgin
[02:31] <hmsimha2> gridcube, I think it's an issue of me being accustomed to different display resolution... but on xubuntu this is the highest one available
[02:31] <GridCube> hmsimha2, probably yes
[02:31] <hmsimha2> everything just seems too short to me
[02:32] <hmsimha2> or, possibly that it's rendering too wide
[02:32] <GridCube> hmsimha2, you might want to try a different screen resolution
[02:32] <GridCube> bigger screen and bigger fonts
[02:34] <hmsimha2> the other options are too low-res.. I could try using a 'narrow' font perhaps, but i don't like the idea of overriding the default font for a webpage
[02:34] <hmsimha2> maybe it's something I'll just have to get used to.. unless you think there's a way to have more options in resolution?
[02:35] <GridCube> hmsimha2, maybe you will get more screen resolutions if you use the propietary drivers for your vga
[02:35] <hmsimha2> hmm good suggestion
[02:36] <GridCube> (sometimes its backwards though)
[02:36] <hmsimha2> i think what i've grown accustomed to is 1280x768
[02:36] <hmsimha2> so the switch to 1024x768 is what's making everything look strange
[02:36] <hmsimha2> but i can probably get used to it too if i need to
[02:36] <hmsimha2> thanks for the help!
[02:37] <GridCube> hmsimha2, oh, right, you are stretching your image, thats why im not seing the same as you
[02:37] <GridCube> XD
[02:38] <GridCube> you are spreading 1024x768 to 1280x720
[02:38] <GridCube> that will make things look bad
[02:40] <hmsimha2> hmm you're saying the monitor is 1280x720? so when I look at it in 1024x768 it makes it look stretched?
[02:41] <GridCube> yes, you are using a widescreen monitor i gather
[02:41] <GridCube> 16:9
[02:42] <GridCube> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16:9
[02:42] <hmsimha2> Gridcube that looks right
[02:43] <GridCube> mmhm, you need a 16:9 aspect ratio for your display aswell :)
[02:43] <GridCube> thats why things will look funny elsewhere
[02:44] <GridCube> my monitor its still 4:5 P: i looked hard to find one
[02:45] <GridCube> 4:3
[02:45] <innmalint> I've been running Xubuntu for the first time since Gutsy -- whenever I wake my computer from standby I have to wait on a message something like "kvm: disable by bios." I've been reading on what kvm is, but I can't get a clear answer to whether it's necessary or not? running on a desktop, not a vm.
[02:46] <GridCube> i think its used to emulate i386 on amd64 machines
[02:47] <hmsimha2> i'll have to see if i can find a way to support the 16:9 aspect ratio :)
[02:47] <GridCube> hmsimha2, thats weird because it should autodetect the monitor aspect ratio and give you only 16:9 resolutions to choose
[02:48] <GridCube> you migth need to: a) get propietary driver or 2) create a custom xorg.conf
[02:48] <innmalint> Gridcube, I'm running 64 bit on a i5. Hmm..
[02:50] <GridCube> innmalint, i wouldnot knwo more though, and im probably wrong
[02:50] <GridCube> please wait for people who knows more
[02:50] <innmalint> No problem, thanks.
[03:15] <sajan> When my external HDD mounts, it seems to only give owner (me) r/w/x permissions.  When I go to properties and try giving group or everybody read permissions...it doesn't stay.  Can't even chmod it to anything else.  If I umount and mount it manually with all permissions it works.  But it's a pain to have to do that everytime.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.
[03:31] <hmsimha> anyone know why sysinfo would tell me I only have 486 MiB total memory when the computer I'm running should have 2GB?
[06:06] <otend> if I transition from Ubuntu to Xubuntu via xubuntu-desktop, is removing Pulseaudio safe, or a really stupid idea?
[09:42] <bartzy> Hello
[09:42] <bartzy> I changed the maximize window keyboard shortcut to Alt+Return, and it works, but when I logout and login again, It doesn't work (but still appears as the shortcut for maximizing the window). Any ideas?
[09:42] <bartzy> Using Xubuntu 12.10 ^
[10:16] <koegs> bartzy: yes
[10:21] <bartzy> koegs: Why is this caused ?
[10:24] <koegs> bartzy: just found my own bug report about that... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/992579/comments/5
[10:27] <bartzy> koegs: Why that happens ?
[10:28] <bartzy> and just deleting that line solves the issue ?
[10:28] <bartzy> You're awesome. :P
[10:29] <koegs> bartzy: the new line is added, but the old one never gets deleted, do not know why :)
[10:29] <bartzy> This drove me mad
[10:29] <bartzy> It happens for any "window manager" keyboard shortcut
[10:29] <bartzy> ?
[10:30] <koegs> dunno, you have to try :)
[10:54] <bartzy> I have another question :p
[10:55] <bartzy> In the xfce4-terminal, the current active tab is really not clear. It's a really light background change. How do I change the background color of the tab only, to something more visible?
[11:03] <cocomo> hi how do i know what version of gnome am running on xubuntu?
[11:10] <baizon> cocomo: for example open evince
[11:10] <baizon> then check about
[11:10] <baizon> if there is 3.6.0 its gnome 3.6
[11:12] <cocomo> it says document viewer V 2.6
[11:12] <cocomo> baizon: ty
[11:12] <cocomo> 3.6*
[11:12] <baizon> well then its gnome 3.6 :) and np
[11:17] <cocomo> baizon: do u know any tool to change and add new themes in xubuntu
[11:18] <baizon> cocomo: well if you have a theme just add (copy) it into ~/.themes
[11:18] <cocomo> ok and how do i change the current theme
[11:18] <baizon> there you have themes http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=420&PHPSESSID=0687f052b46314b8c42604385e33431a
[11:19] <baizon> cocomo: in the settings manager
[11:20] <cocomo> baizon: ty
[11:20] <baizon> np
[12:06] <xubuntu912> hi everybody
[12:06] <knome> hell
[12:06] <knome> ...o
[12:06] <xubuntu912> I have some problem with XkeysymDB
[12:07] <xubuntu912> the file isn't located in my /usr/local/X11/ nor in my /usr/share/X11/
[12:07] <xubuntu912> I am using Xubuntu 12.10
[12:07] <xubuntu912> 64 bit
[12:07] <knome> i don't know about that specifically, but that might be one of the things you need to create if you need the file
[12:07] <xubuntu912>  ok
[12:10] <xubuntu912> so I could create the file and paste some content from the web into it? Normally it specivies which keysyms are allowed to use when assinging keys to actions (keyboard shortcuts)
[12:10] <xubuntu912> sry specifies
[12:10] <knome> i don't know about that :)
[12:10] <xubuntu912> ok
[12:10] <knome> but that might work...
[12:10] <knome> you could ask #ubuntu too
[12:10] <xubuntu912> ok thank you
[12:10] <knome> this isn't xubuntu-specific
[12:11] <knome> np, good luck with it
[12:11] <xubuntu912> ah, i#ll try that
[12:11] <xubuntu912> thanks
[12:11] <xubuntu912> bye
[13:39] <aHardyX> Hi. I installed compiz on Xubuntu 12.10 with nvidia-173 drivers. When I run "compiz --replace" the screen flickers and it goes blank and I can see the cursor. How do I get compiz running?
[13:45] <knome> just a note that compiz isn't officially supported
[13:55] <aHardyX> knome: ok.
[14:01] <xubuntu666> hello
[14:02] <knome> hullo
[14:04] <rt2500pci> I run 12.04 and have an Edimax PCMCIA Wireless card which works OK on a laptop running  Debian Squeeze BUT freezes 12.04 a few seconds after inserting it. Can anyone help me?
[15:36] <oketom> how is xubuntu better than ubuntu or kubuntu?
[15:37] <tomatopotato> its lighter, faster
[15:37] <oketom> because of the xfce?
[15:38] <tomatopotato> yep
[15:38] <oketom> i mean, if i install gnome in xubuntu, will it be faster too?
[15:38] <oketom> still*
[15:38] <knome> oketom, no.
[15:39] <oketom> ok, thanks
[15:41] <tomatopotato> oketom: then again if you want to install and use gnome, stick with ununtu lol
[15:41] <tomatopotato> its easier
[15:41] <tomatopotato> mean ubuntu
[15:43] <rt2500pci> I run 12.04 and have an Edimax PCMCIA Wireless card which works OK on a laptop running  Debian Squeeze BUT freezes 12.04 a few seconds after inserting it. Can anyone help me?
[15:44] <tomatopotato> how freexze?
[15:44] <tomatopotato> what happens?
[15:51] <rt2500pci> it just freezes
[15:51] <rt2500pci> the system locks up
[15:52] <tomatopotato> is the card inserted while booting?
[15:52] <rt2500pci> no
[15:52] <tomatopotato> you insert the card after the system booted up?
[15:54] <rt2500pci> yes
[15:54] <tomatopotato> whathappens if you turn of the coputer insert the card and boot up?
[15:57] <rt2500pci> will try in a couple of minutes
[16:01] <rt2500pci> or perhaps a  bit more than 2 min
[16:02] <tomatopotato> lol
[16:24] <rt2500pci> i am about to  insert the card and then boot up
[16:27] <tomatopotato> ok
[16:27] <tomatopotato> maybe first turn of and then boot up
[16:27] <tomatopotato> mean turn of
[16:27] <tomatopotato> insert card
[16:27] <tomatopotato> and then boot up
[16:28] <rt2500pci> i inserted the card, turned on the laptop, booted up and  my 12.04 laptop locked up a   few seconds later
[16:29] <tomatopotato> and when you remove the card after lockup? whats happeneing
[16:31] <rt2500pci> i just removed the card and the boot up procedure resumed OK.  what now?
[16:32] <tomatopotato> so when you remove the card. it resumes?
[16:32] <rt2500pci> in this particular case, yes
[16:33] <tomatopotato> why particular case?
[16:35] <rt2500pci> the case: i inserted the card, turned on the laptop, booted up and  my 12.04 laptop locked up a   few seconds later. Removed the card and the boot up procedure finished OK
[16:36] <tomatopotato> how do you know it locked up? what msg do you get?
[16:41] <rt2500pci> no message. the system just froze up
[16:42] <tomatopotato> hrmm
[16:44] <tomatopotato> does the card work in other machine rt2500pci?
[16:45] <rt2500pci> I run 12.04 and have an Edimax PCMCIA Wireless card which WORKS OK on a laptop running  DEBIAN Squeeze BUT freezes 12.04 a few seconds after inserting it
[16:46] <rt2500pci> Yes, it does work on Debian
[16:46] <rt2500pci> with the stock kernel, nothing compiled by hand
[16:48] <rt2500pci> Yes, it does work on Debian running on another laptop
[16:49] <tomatopotato> try to boot system without card
[16:49] <tomatopotato> and then run first "tail -f /var/log/syslog"
[16:49] <tomatopotato> and then insert card
[16:50] <tomatopotato> wait
[16:50] <tomatopotato> before inserting a card, run htop to see what is talking up process if tehre is anything
[16:53] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci:
[16:54] <rt2500pci> running htop right now, now what shall i do?
[16:55] <tomatopotato> the process viewer
[16:55] <tomatopotato> run it first so you can see what process is running
[16:56] <tomatopotato> and if there is any process that takes up alot of cpu power
[16:57] <tomatopotato> you can install worsest cawse htop
[16:57] <rt2500pci> what about executing iwconfig wlan0 power off ?
[16:58] <tomatopotato> does it work?
[16:58] <tomatopotato> if you would run tail -f /var/log/syslog  we could see what locks up
[16:58] <tomatopotato> whats happenin
[16:59] <mahmoud_> Hello, I'd like to install more themes or desktop tweaks. How is that achievable?
[16:59] <TheSheep> !theme
[16:59] <rt2500pci> after tail -f /var/log/syslog i inserted the card, a few messages flashed and a few seconds later the system rebooted itself
[17:00] <tomatopotato> got any glimps?
[17:03] <mahmoud_> May I ask what is GTK+ ?
[17:03] <TheSheep> mahmoud_: gimp tool kit
[17:03] <TheSheep> mahmoud_: library of widgets
[17:04] <TheSheep> mahmoud_: that's what xubuntu applications use to display their user interface
[17:04] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci: you said it locks up
[17:05] <tomatopotato> i mean when you insert the card and not reboot
[17:05] <mahmoud_> TheSheep, so will any theme on xfce-look.org be compatible with my Xubuntu 12.10?
[17:05] <rt2500pci> after doing what YOU told me to do the system did not lock up but reboot itself without my doing anything else
[17:06] <tomatopotato> so "tail -f /var/log/syslog" couse a reboot?
[17:06] <TheSheep> mahmoud_: no, only gtk 2/3 themes and xfce themes
[17:07] <mahmoud_> TheSheep: ok, thanks :)
[17:07] <TheSheep> rt2500pci: who is that YOU that you are talking about?
[17:07] <rt2500pci> tomatopotato
[17:07] <tomatopotato> tail -f /var/log/syslog usually does not caouse a reboot, it doesnt make sense what happened
[17:09] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci: worst case you can run "tail -f /var/log/syslog" remote
[17:09] <tomatopotato> then even it restarts you will still have the info on the other machine, (if you have an other machine)
[17:10] <rt2500pci> how can a desktop newbie run "tail -f /var/log/syslog" remote ?
[17:11] <TheSheep> with ssh!
[17:11] <tomatopotato> via terminal
[17:11] <tomatopotato> yu have toenable ssh on the mashine you want to acsess
[17:12] <tomatopotato> there is i think an ssh pakage for xubuntu
[17:13] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci: if you have any questions just ask
[17:13] <tomatopotato> i mean if things a re unclear
[17:13] <rt2500pci> ok
[17:32] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci: need help?
[17:33] <tomatopotato> are both machines linux?
[17:33] <tomatopotato> well first you need to install ssh package on the xubuntu machine where you like to use the pcmcia card
[17:34] <tomatopotato> trought the software center
[17:39] <rt2500pci> tomatopotato, yes both laptops are gnu/linux.  one is running Debian and the other 12.04. i connect to internet using my local cafe wireless. NO, i do not have physical access to their router and staff will certainly will NOT let me get anywhere near their router. I do NOT have internet at home
[17:40] <tomatopotato> you dont need accsess to the router
[17:40] <tomatopotato> first install ssh
[17:41] <tomatopotato> you can acsess the other computer trough LAN
[17:44] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci: we neeed to know what is causing the freeze/ restart
[17:45] <tomatopotato> the only way i know is with is running "tail -f /var/log/syslog" remotely
[17:45] <tomatopotato> just to see whats happeneing
[17:46] <TheSheep> tomatopotato: dmesg?
[17:47] <tomatopotato> yeah that to, but nonthe less he must run it remotely
[17:47] <tomatopotato> or try first dmesg
[17:47] <tomatopotato> maybe that wont cause a restart
[17:47] <tomatopotato> but tail -f shouldnt cause it either but it does
[17:48] <TheSheep> if accessing a file causes a restart, then something is *very* wrong, and I'd suspect a faulty disk or a bug in the filesystem drivers
[17:48] <tomatopotato> his computer is freezing when he connects his pcmcia card
[17:48] <tomatopotato> it happens only after he is inserting the card
[17:48] <tomatopotato> before that he is running tail -f
[17:48] <tomatopotato> and it is not restarting
[18:08] <rt2500pci> TheSheep, the disk is not faulty. i have been told  it is a problem with the module/driver and the udev implementation on 12.04
[18:11] <rt2500pci> on the ubuntu laptop (the one which is giving me grief with the rt2500pci PCMCIA card) i  did apt-get install openssh-server. Now what shall i do?
[18:14] <tomatopotato> now accsess the laptop with a 2nd computer trough terminal "ssh username@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx."
[18:15] <tomatopotato> where xxx is the ip address from the computer which you have to accsess rt2500pci
[18:20] <rt2500pci> the laptop with debian is 192.168.1.8 but the ubuntu laptop's wireless interface (wlan1) does NOT have an ip address nor is associated with any wireless network
[18:23] <tomatopotato> can you connect it with a lan cable rt2500pci?
[18:23] <tomatopotato> f not then it will no really help, or maybe if you had any othercard or usb wifi dongle that you could use temporarely which will work
[18:25] <rt2500pci> NO. i do not have a LAN cable. i connect to internet using my local cafe wireless. NO, i do not have physical access to their router and the  staff will  NOT let me get anywhere near their router. I do NOT have internet at home
[18:26] <tomatopotato> ok, hold the horses
[18:28] <rt2500pci> sorry but they are the osmonds
[18:30] <tomatopotato> run "sudo udevadm"
[18:30] <tomatopotato> mean run "sudo udevadm monitor"
[18:31] <rt2500pci> before or after inserting the rt2500pci PCMCIA card?
[18:31] <tomatopotato> before
[18:34] <tomatopotato> and?
[18:34] <tomatopotato> what does it say?
[18:36] <rt2500pci> it is displaying a lot of tech info on the terminal. May i just do " sudo udevadm monitor" > output.txt  ???
[18:37] <tomatopotato> i guess
[18:37] <rt2500pci> and then pastebin the contents of output.txt ?
[18:38] <tomatopotato> yeah but, did you insert the card? and did some additional info come out?
[18:39] <rt2500pci> i inserted the card
[18:39] <tomatopotato> and this time it did not restart?
[18:40] <tomatopotato> pastebin it
[18:42] <rt2500pci> the laptop locked up
[18:42] <tomatopotato> btw. this card you like to use, it worked on the same computer with diferent system?
[18:42] <tomatopotato> or diferent computer?
[18:44] <rt2500pci> no, it worked on another laptop which has debian instead of 12.04
[18:44] <tomatopotato> im asking because if it was different computer it might be the slot, or maybe an voltage issue
[18:45] <rt2500pci> the laptop has 2 PCMCIA slots and both of them worked ok with other cards
[18:45] <tomatopotato> ok then it still can be an voltge  difference
[18:46] <rt2500pci> if it is a voltage issue, how can i overcome it?
[18:46] <tomatopotato> if its that then you cant
[18:46] <tomatopotato> you need a compatible card in that case
[18:47] <tomatopotato> you need to check how much your pcmcia slots suply power
[18:47] <tomatopotato> and how much your card needs
[18:49] <rt2500pci> the rt2500pci PCMCIA card's Power Rating is 3,3V. It says say on its sticker
[18:50] <tomatopotato> andthe slot?
[18:50] <rt2500pci> the rt2500pci PCMCIA card's Power Rating is 3.3V. It says say on its sticker
[18:51] <rt2500pci> how can  find out how much power my  pcmcia slots supply?
[18:51] <tomatopotato> manufacturer specs of the pc
[18:51] <rt2500pci> any command that can help me find out?
[18:52] <tomatopotato> i dont think so, but might be i just dont know
[18:52] <tomatopotato> if the slots are like 5V only, then this is your problem
[18:53] <tomatopotato> whats your hardware
[18:53] <tomatopotato> what pc
[18:53] <tomatopotato> mdel no
[18:53] <tomatopotato> manuf
[18:53] <knome> !enter | tomatopotato
[18:54] <tomatopotato> apologies
[18:54] <rt2500pci> Dell Latitude C600
[18:57] <tomatopotato> exact name defenition of your card please rt2500pci
[18:57] <rt2500pci> Dell Latitude C600 specs on DELL's website says :  Cards supported 	3.3-V and 5-V
[18:58] <tomatopotato> is your card a typeIII card?
[19:00] <rt2500pci> FCC ID: NDD9571080404
[19:00] <tomatopotato> who is the manufacturer of your card
[19:01] <tomatopotato> and the exact modelnumber
[19:12] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci: if its type 3 you must use the lower card slot the uper one will not work
[19:28] <rt2500pci> Edimax Cardbus Wireless LAN  EW-7108PCg
[19:32] <tomatopotato> rt2500pci: did you try the lower slot_?
[19:47] <rt2500pci> Edimax Cardbus Wireless LAN  EW-7108PCg
[19:47] <rt2500pci> http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=5&pl1_id=1&pl2_id=44
[19:52] <rt2500pci> tomatopotato, upper or lower slot the problem remains the same
[19:52] <tomatopotato> hrmm dont really know further
[19:52] <tomatopotato> wait
[19:53] <tomatopotato> booting from live cd and using the pcmcia card does that change anything?
[19:55] <rt2500pci> you mean from a live cd other than *buntu? i do not have any live CDs. can try booting from usb with the help of plop boot manager
[20:02] <tomatopotato> did you try it with ubuntu?
[20:02] <tomatopotato> xubuntu?
[20:05] <rt2500pci> ubuntu live CD on  PIII with 256MB RAM laptop refuses to boot up. too little RAM. Alternate ISO is not an option either because it is used for installing the OS not for testing it
[20:10] <tomatopotato> well then try xubuntu
[20:13] <rt2500pci> ok. thanks for your time. will be back later
[20:14] <tomatopotato> your welcome
[21:23] <john__> Hi, i'm currently running xfce 4.10 and i'm very happy! It's fast, stable and quite configurable but there are some things i'm missing. One of them is a menu editor. Is there any menu editor that works with this version? thanks in advance.
[21:34] <jcfp> john__: alacarte? installed by default on xubuntu iirc
[21:35] <john__> jcfp, i tried but does not work
[21:45] <john__> as far as i remember xfce had a menu editor
[22:02] <heoyea> lxmed menu editor
[22:11] <john__> thanks and menuprops but none of them are perfect
[22:14] <mimisicu30> hi everyone
[22:40] <john__> menuprops is ok, the only issue i have with it, i can't add items in top level menu
[22:40] <john__> anyway better than nothing