[10:03] <Ascavasaion> Hello there... HOw do I get the arrows top and bottom of scrollbars in Lubuntu?  I do not liek the way they are now.  thank you.
[10:04] <Ascavasaion> Do I hve to disable overlay scrollbars?
[10:06] <Ascavasaion> Is this what I should be doing - http://askubuntu.com/questions/34214/how-do-i-disable-overlay-scrollbars
[10:11] <Ascavasaion> Okay, that never worked.  any other ideas?
[10:11] <Ascavasaion> X-chat has the correct scrollbars, but Document Viewer, etc do not.
[10:13] <Ascavasaion> Abiword does not have the correct scrollbars, but Gnumetric does.
[10:14] <Ascavasaion> Gnumetric does not.
[12:40] <Travis> Good morning.
[13:03] <Aspi> Yo. Quick and easy: Are Linux drivers processor architecture specific? IE. will a x86 driver cease to work on ARM architecture?
[13:35] <lessshaste> I just installed dropbox from the .deb that dropbox provides.. how do I actually start it and get an icon showing it is working?
[13:39] <clyphox> just run it, it'll start automatically on login in future
[13:40] <clyphox> there will be a notifcation icon in the normal notifcation area
[16:48] <synned> ?
[16:48] <synned> i need some help here with the themes
[16:49] <synned> can anyone help??
[18:10] <fahim> Hi
[18:11] <fahim> I'm interested to implement Lubuntu on corporate environment. So, it is possible to do that? Will there be any other problems with file manager or any thing else?
[18:12] <holstein> fahim: try it live... its stable, though learning the environment, or locking it down could prove challenging
[18:15] <fahim> Thanks holstein for your reply. I've used lubuntu and I love it, but the fact is that I've used that for personal use. Now I need experts advice that is it ready for corporate environment?
[18:15] <holstein> fahim: it'll be the same as it is for you
[18:15] <TheLordOfTime> define "ready for corporate environment"
[18:16] <TheLordOfTime> actually depending on the needs of the organization, you may need either a different derivative or something else
[18:16] <TheLordOfTime> just saying :P\
[18:16] <holstein> fahim: there is no "corporate" version.. but it'll be the same version you are using..
[18:16] <TheLordOfTime> although i've put 4 organizations to Ubuntu LInux so... :P
[18:16] <TheLordOfTime> s/Ubuntu/?buntu/
[18:16] <holstein> would i use it? sure.. i would lock it down and make it work..
[18:17] <fahim> If you guys tell me that it's enough for corporate environment, then I'll be relieved. I know there is no corporate edition. I want to implement lubuntu on a bank with almost 8000 PC and I want to give them same DE. So that it'll be easier for them to learn.
[18:18] <holstein> fahim: "enough" is a matter of opinion, and depends on the case, as TheLordOfTime is suggesting
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> holstein, you havent stated what you're moving from, what your needs are, etc.
[18:18] <TheLordOfTime> so how can we give you any type of advice?
[18:19] <TheLordOfTime> besides, we're all biased towards Ubuntu or Ubuntu-variant of choice
[18:19] <holstein> fahim: you can implement it where ever, and the software is what it is.. its all open which could prove more helpful
[18:19] <fahim> Yes. TheLordofTime thanks for your reply. I'm migrating from windows XP.
[18:19] <holstein> fahim: do i think i could implement *buntu for that task? sure... would i? certainly, if i felt it met the needs of the users
[18:20] <TheLordOfTime> i think you need to evaluate what the users' needs are software-wise
[18:20] <TheLordOfTime> before making the leap to LInux
[18:21] <holstein> yup.. if they need/want microsoft word for example.. or if they currently use it. that alone could be a frustration
[18:21] <holstein> if you came to a bank that was just opening and setup a system for them, they would just use it, and it would all work... no migration needed
[18:22] <holstein> its the migration and the re-learning that you need to consider
[18:22] <holstein> *buntu is quite capable of most any task you need.. its the users that must be considered
[18:22] <fahim> So, TheLordofTime I'm you have great experience on Linux migration. They are interested for a good Linux dist. with a fast DE.
[18:23] <holstein> "good" is a matter of opinion
[18:23] <fahim> Yes. holstein that's correct.
[18:23] <holstein> you should go back and ask them to define "good".. what exactly do they need? what software...
[18:24] <holstein> LXDE is a nice choice since is kind of windows like in layout
[18:24] <holstein> im about to do an install at a school with LXDE
[18:24] <TheLordOfTime> fahim, go ask them what the specific needs are.
[18:24] <TheLordOfTime> fahim, software requirements, etc.
[18:24] <TheLordOfTime> can't give you valid info without that
[18:25] <TheLordOfTime> but note: i only deploy Linux in organizations when they say to, most of the time I end up deploying Windows there
[18:25] <fahim> TheLordofTime: why Windows?
[18:25] <holstein> yeah... its a great way to fail if you force it on them.. even though its usually the easiest as far as maintenance to go linux, they might want/prefer windows
[18:26] <TheLordOfTime> fahim, because the organization's needs demanded it
[18:27] <TheLordOfTime> fahim, i work as a third-party technician for those organizations, for largescale deployments on systems, i get called in to support
[18:27] <TheLordOfTime> most organizations do the research and say they need Windows, but these're specialized organizations who don't have software to do their needs that is FOSS or built for Linux, so...
[18:27] <TheLordOfTime> the point is: each organization has different needs.
[18:27] <TheLordOfTime> Linux may or may not fit those needs accordingly
[18:28] <fahim> I see!!! They want to save money. that's why they want Linux.
[18:28] <holstein> or, they are just "married" to it and might not want to transistion or migrate.. or trust the FOSS alternatives
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> sometimes its saving money, sometimes its software needs, but it depends on each organization
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> migration windows -> linux is hard for organizations
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> even though they save by using linux, retraining users is hard
[18:28] <TheLordOfTime> retraining admins is even harder.
[18:28] <holstein> fahim: but, if they have to pay someone to re-train them to use linux.. or if they dont like it, and need to get new systems.. could be the total cost is less just staying with XP.. not that i wouldnt try migrating
[18:31] <fahim> in Bangladesh we are going to face copyright restrictions in near future, that's why we are thinking about switching to Linux. previously we didn't pay for windows!!!
[18:32] <holstein> you had microsoft give you a bunch of licenses?
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> um...
[18:34] <TheLordOfTime> i think he means piracy
[18:34] <fahim> Yes. That bank have give a huge amount of money for 8000 PC within 2-3 months
[18:35] <holstein> i mean, if they arent going to pay for anything, then id say a "free" choice is the only way to go then...
[18:35] <fahim> Yes, as an LDC country we weren't forced to buy a licensed software by TRIPS agreement with WTO.
[18:35] <fahim> But that's going to end in near future.
[18:36] <holstein> im not following.. you mean, you pirated it? and found a loophole where you cannot be prosecuted?
[18:37] <TheLordOfTime> i think this discussion is going offtopic...
[18:38] <fahim> I understand this info may be horrible to you. Please visit this link for better understanding.http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/twninfo317.htm
[18:38] <fahim> sorry for the offtopic
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> i meant about the discussion of whether you found a loophole or not.
[18:40] <TheLordOfTime> in any case...
[18:41] <TheLordOfTime> the original statement still stands: if the needs do not fit LInux, you may need to find some alternative that is legal.
[18:41] <holstein> yeah.. i thought better of it when i asked.. i dont need to know that.. we can help with an specific question about the install
[18:41] <TheLordOfTime> or adapt to change your needs to work with linux.
[18:41] <TheLordOfTime> otherwise...
[18:41]  * TheLordOfTime returns to stabbing php5's code
[18:42] <fahim> Thanks guys for your help.
[18:51] <lesshaste> hi
[18:51] <lesshaste> I am running lubuntu desktop but whenever I run anything I get warnings.. For example emacs gives me
[18:51] <lesshaste> ** (emacs:25391): WARNING **: Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap:
[18:51] <lesshaste>         /usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-default/gtk-2.0/images/null.png,
[18:51] <lesshaste> borders don't fit within the image
[18:51] <lesshaste> is there a lubuntu version of emacs I should be using?
[18:56] <nortti> I'm having a problem with oracle virtualbox. when I try to start a irtual machine I get error about kernel driver for virtualbox missing and it prompts me to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup as root but that file doesn't exist
[18:59] <DasEi> nortti: rather a #vbox question, but I take it (as far as channel is calm) .. headers installed ?
[18:59] <DasEi> !headers
[19:00] <DasEi> nortti: then become root in terminal (sudo -s) and just enter  /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[19:01] <DasEi> using dkms can save you a lot of hassle (if for any reason not by default) , ongoing ksplice is worth a look, but let's first fix hat issue
[19:01] <nortti> ok
[19:02] <DasEi> are the modules being build now ?
[19:02] <nortti> no
[19:02] <nortti> headers were already installed
[19:02] <nortti> dkms is also installed
[19:02] <DasEi> what is the reply to /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup ?
[19:03] <nortti> /bin/mksh: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: not found
[19:05] <DasEi>  /bin/mksh ?? that's bsd, isn't it ??
[19:05] <DasEi> nortti: ^
[19:05] <nortti> no
[19:06] <DasEi> nortti: which terminal then ? lx-terminal ?
[19:06] <nortti> xterm
[19:06] <nortti> I installed mksh myself and set it as my default shell
[19:07] <DasEi> nortti: ose or the oracle version ?
[19:07] <nortti> the one in package virtualbox which I think is oracle
[19:08] <DasEi> nortti: per default there is only the ose in repos, unless you either get it directly from oracle or set up an additional repo
[19:09] <nortti> ok. should ose one call itself oracle virtualbox?
[19:09] <DasEi> virtualbox-ose
[19:09] <DasEi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-ose
[19:10] <nortti> ``This is a dummy transitional package for virtualbox and can be
[19:10] <nortti> safely removed after the installation is complete.''
[19:10] <DasEi> nortti: per default there is only the ose-version   in repos, unless you either get it directly from oracle or set up an additional repo (which then is called just virtualbox)
[19:11] <DasEi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox
[19:11] <nortti> still doesn't work
[19:12] <DasEi> nortti: be more specific about outputs
[19:15] <nortti> DasEi: http://paste.dy.fi/sx1/plain
[19:15] <holstein> lesshaste: did you install from the repos?
[19:16] <lesshaste> holstein, yes
[19:16] <lesshaste> holstein, although it's worth saying that I installed ubuntu and then lubuntu-desktop
[19:17] <DasEi> nortti: before wondering about shell (as root) : apt-get -f install && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install virtualbox*
[19:17] <holstein> lesshaste: whast the issue? is it not starting? is that not in the terminal?
[19:18] <lesshaste> holstein, is starts but I get lots of warnings in the terminal
[19:18] <holstein> nortti: i installed virtualbox-dkms the other day after i broke virtualbox
[19:18] <DasEi> holstein: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup  << cmd not found is the issue
[19:18] <holstein> nortti: i restarted to get the module to load
[19:18] <holstein> DasEi: yup.. i didnt find that either
[19:18] <holstein> DasEi: i just installed virtualbox-dkms and rebooted
[19:19]  * DasEi using repo 4.... here all fine
[19:19] <holstein> i tried to install the newer one from the oracle site.. i went back to the repo one
[19:19] <DasEi> so the dkms then, well last above cmd, nortti
[19:19] <nortti> ok
[19:19] <DasEi> nortti: sudo apt-get install virtualbox*
[19:21] <holstein> lesshaste: unless it looks bad or the warnings seem dangerous, i wouldnt worry about it.. you can pastebin the whole thing if you are concerned
[19:21] <DasEi> virtualbox-dkms installed ? sudo modprobe -a
[19:21] <lesshaste> holstein, it's just very ugly :)
[19:21] <lesshaste> http://askubuntu.com/questions/225093/emacs-gives-warnings-in-lubuntu
[19:25] <DasEi> nortti: solved ?
[19:27] <nortti> no
[19:27] <holstein> lesshaste: i just launched it here in openbox on 12.04.. no errors
[19:27] <holstein> lesshaste: i think its probably just as "ugly" as you were mentioning...
[19:28] <DasEi> nortti: more precise ? the vbox-dkms-package installed ?
[19:28] <holstein> nortti: i would purge it all and start over... it was tricky for me the other day.. i was in the card and didnt have internet fast enough to get much help
[19:30] <nortti> DasEi: yes
[19:32] <DasEi> nortti: before wondering about shell (as root) : apt-get -f install && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install virtualbox-dkms  and as init/upstart  might not be up to date (new kernel ??), try rebooting, else I'd also tend to purge (and use repo, as it has better features)
[19:41] <DasEi> nortti: please report after reboot
[19:42] <nortti> now it works
[19:42] <DasEi> !yay
[19:42]  * DasEi later, homework
[19:44] <nortti> I must say that I kinda feel lost every time I have to do something like this with lubuntu
[19:55] <searching> I need help
[19:57] <searching> In /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf the theme of greeter theme=Industrial
[19:57] <searching> I have Lubuntu default
[20:34] <zleap> how do i work out what version of ubuntu i am running
[20:34] <zleap> lsb_version isn't working but I am not sure exactly what to type
[20:37] <zleap> i got it now
[21:55] <fdm> anybode alive here?:)
[21:56] <fdm> how can I change theme (black cursor + Bear2 + panel settings) via terminal?
[22:06] <Nate_Rev> Can I get some help booting Lubuntu from a usb?
[22:07] <Nate_Rev> I created a Unetbootin and my laptop will recognize it, but choosing any option or allowing it auto start freezes it..
[22:08] <Nate_Rev> any ideas?