| phillw | Hi folks, is there a way to control the mouse pointer with keypad ? This is for someone who has a motor disability | 14:55 |
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| phillw | I've tried installing mousetrap, but it coredumps when I try to run it. | 14:56 |
| Pendulum | phillw: I don't think so. I think the best you can do is use key commands for things rather than try to use the mouse at all. | 15:20 |
| phillw | hmm, okies.. looks like they're stuck with windows then. | 15:22 |
| AlanBell | phillw: in the universal access dialog there is a setting for mouse keys on the pointing and clicking tab | 15:30 |
| AlanBell | it is pretty rubbish, far too slow for practical use | 15:30 |
| AlanBell | but it means the mouse cursor can be moved around using the numeric keypad | 15:30 |
| phillw | hi AlanBell is that something like http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/movecursor.html ? | 15:31 |
| Pendulum | Is there a good solution for it for Windows? I honestly don't know people who can't use a mouse who use the kayboard for it instead | 15:31 |
| AlanBell | I sometimes use it for precision graphics stuff as it is easy to move one cursor at a time | 15:31 |
| AlanBell | one pixel at a time rather | 15:31 |
| Pendulum | err, as in, the people I know just don't even try to control a mouse generally | 15:31 |
| Pendulum | if they do, they'll do something like a stylus on a track pad | 15:32 |
| AlanBell | phillw: yeah, like that or like this http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/1418-how-to-control-a-mouse-using-the-keyboard-in-ubuntu/ | 15:32 |
| AlanBell | I think we have dropped the accelleration setting, thereby making it a bit useless | 15:32 |
| phillw | Pendulum: I'm not fully aware of the motor disability of the person on who's behalf this has been asked. Evidently they can use a keyboard & number pad, but not a mouse (A roblemt with grip?) | 15:33 |
| phillw | *problem | 15:33 |
| AlanBell | shift+numlock turns it on/off | 15:38 |
| phillw | which keyboard panel is that (lubuntu's doesn't have the option - so I'll need to grab the gnome one) | 15:39 |
| AlanBell | it is a gnome feature, if shift+numlock doesn't work then it probably doesn't exist in lxde | 15:40 |
| phillw | yeah, I think I need to use the gnome keyboard preferences tool. | 15:42 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys | 15:42 |
| AlanBell | alt+shift+numlock might work | 15:43 |
| phillw | tried :( | 15:45 |
| phillw | AlanBell: found the fix for lack of acceleration :) http://www.exuro.co.uk/2012/mouse-keys-in-ubuntu-12-04/ | 15:49 |
| phillw | what is the name of the universal access module (again. lubuntu does not shift this by default)? | 15:51 |
| AlanBell | interesting | 16:08 |
| AlanBell | it is part of gnome-control-center | 16:12 |
| phillw | I've installed gnome-control-center but no sign of universal access (I'm invoking it from terminal) | 16:16 |
| phillw | may need to re-start 'X' to pull in the changes.... let me quickly reboot (sledge hammer approach :P ) | 16:17 |
| phillw | hmm, still no sign of universal access :/ | 16:30 |
| AlanBell | phillw: do you have the file /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels/libuniversal-access.so | 18:37 |
| AlanBell | it should be in the gnome-control-centre package | 18:37 |
| phillw | AlanBell: phillw@piglet:/usr/lib/control-center-1/panels$ ls | 19:29 |
| phillw | libuniversal-access.so | 19:29 |
| phillw | so. yeah.. it's there? | 19:29 |
| phillw | AlanBell: the full listing is at http://pastebin.com/F5936AfK | 19:31 |
| AlanBell | hmm, well that is it, that should cause the accessibility icon to turn up in gnome-control-center | 19:32 |
| AlanBell | so what do you see in gnome-control-center? | 19:33 |
| phillw | AlanBell: please bear in mind lubuntu does not have the 'refinements' you're used to... this is a simple screen-dump :) http://imagebin.org/238043 | 19:40 |
| AlanBell | mine looks like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202012-12-03%2019:40:58.png | 19:41 |
| AlanBell | so you only have one icon in each section, which is odd | 19:41 |
| AlanBell | there kind of should be one for each thing in /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels | 19:42 |
| phillw | yeah, and 'really' odd... the printer section even recognised my default printer which is not even plugged in ! | 19:43 |
| phillw | yeah, that screen shot looks like what I was expecting to see. | 19:44 |
| AlanBell | gnome-control-center universal-access | 19:44 |
| AlanBell | try running that | 19:44 |
| AlanBell | it should jump straight to that panel | 19:45 |
| phillw | phillw@piglet:/usr/lib/control-center-1/panels$ gnome-control-center universal-access | 19:45 |
| phillw | ** (gnome-control-center:3880): WARNING **: Could not find settings panel "universal-access" | 19:45 |
| phillw | ** (gnome-control-center:3880): WARNING **: Could not load setting panel "universal-access": Unknown error | 19:46 |
| AlanBell | hmm, so not just an icon display issue | 19:46 |
| phillw | can you check on your system, they are all permissions root-root 644 in the /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels area? | 19:48 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 19:48 |
| phillw | AlanBell: I have a back-trace, do you want me to raise a bug? | 20:15 |
| AlanBell | go for it | 20:15 |
| phillw | AlanBell: against gnome-control-center ? | 20:21 |
| AlanBell | yeah, probably | 20:23 |
| phillw | AlanBell: please feel free to add any comments to bug 1086134 | 20:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1086134 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center will not run correctly in lubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086134 | 20:47 |
| phillw | AlanBell: can you let me know if http://www.exuro.co.uk/2012/mouse-keys-in-ubuntu-12-04/ solves the problem of using a keypad for mouse control for it to change the acceleration of the mouse. Thanks, Phill. | 21:12 |
| AlanBell | works a treat :) | 21:18 |
| AlanBell | Bug #1086152 | 21:23 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1086152 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "mouse keys lacks acceleration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086152 | 21:23 |
| phillw | AlanBell: great news, so as his computer can (and does) run windows system, Ubuntu + that patch is a workable solution for him (and possibly, others). I know I don't land on here too often, but a11y is in my blood & I'm really cheered to have found the report as to why acceleration suddenly vanished. I know it happens, a tiny sub-programme falls off the build list... We've had it happen in lubuntu! | 21:26 |
| phillw | that bug is a simple "fell off the build list for the iso" and requires about zero checking to be be put back in. | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | bit more than that, there is no UI for it in gnome-control-center | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | but it doesn't look massively hard, certainly | 21:27 |
| phillw | as a workaround, it can be added to your wiki area :) | 21:28 |
| phillw | I'll pull the ubuntu-iso tonight and kick it into a VM (Slow link, takes ~5 hours to get the new & improved Ubuntu DVD image). | 21:30 |
| phillw | Lubuntu + a11y may be a longer term issue... I'm perplexed as to why some of gnome-control-center works, and the rest does not. for the 'stuff' we are trying to call, that is built into 'X' itself. | 21:35 |
| phillw | I'll give julien a very gentle dig in the ribs to see if he has any immediate ideas. | 21:36 |
| phillw | AlanBell: a very unusual request, and one you are free to decline. But... may I have meetingology in ##phillw It is not there for a 'badge' just so that people can bounce ideas around in a structured manner. | 22:27 |
| AlanBell | I would rather keep it in #ubuntu-* channels, but you can set up a clone | 22:38 |
| phillw | AlanBell: okies, I'll ask Unit193 - he looks after bots.. his bot on #lubuntu-offtopic seems pretty good. They run off my dedicated server, I'm sure he will sort something out. | 22:43 |
| phillw | BTW, you have a really good guy on IRC with him :) | 22:43 |
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