[14:55] <phillw> Hi folks, is there a way to control the mouse pointer with keypad ? This is for someone who has a motor disability
[14:56] <phillw> I've tried installing mousetrap, but it coredumps when I try to run it.
[15:20] <Pendulum> phillw: I don't think so. I think the best you can do is use key commands for things rather than try to use the mouse at all.
[15:22] <phillw> hmm, okies.. looks like they're stuck with windows then.
[15:30] <AlanBell> phillw: in the universal access dialog there is a setting for mouse keys on the pointing and clicking tab
[15:30] <AlanBell> it is pretty rubbish, far too slow for practical use
[15:30] <AlanBell> but it means the mouse cursor can be moved around using the numeric keypad
[15:31] <phillw> hi AlanBell is that something like http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/movecursor.html ?
[15:31] <Pendulum> Is there a good solution for it for Windows? I honestly don't know people who can't use a mouse who use the kayboard for it instead
[15:31] <AlanBell> I sometimes use it for precision graphics stuff as it is easy to move one cursor at a time
[15:31] <AlanBell> one pixel at a time rather
[15:31] <Pendulum> err, as in, the people I know just don't even try to control a mouse generally
[15:32] <Pendulum> if they do, they'll do something like a stylus on a track pad
[15:32] <AlanBell> phillw: yeah, like that or like this http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/1418-how-to-control-a-mouse-using-the-keyboard-in-ubuntu/
[15:32] <AlanBell> I think we have dropped the accelleration setting, thereby making it a bit useless
[15:33] <phillw> Pendulum: I'm not fully aware of the motor disability of the person on who's behalf this has been asked. Evidently they can use a keyboard & number pad, but not a mouse (A roblemt with grip?)
[15:33] <phillw> *problem
[15:38] <AlanBell> shift+numlock turns it on/off
[15:39] <phillw> which keyboard panel is that (lubuntu's doesn't have the option - so I'll need to grab the gnome one)
[15:40] <AlanBell> it is a gnome feature, if shift+numlock doesn't work then it probably doesn't exist in lxde
[15:42] <phillw> yeah, I think I need to use the gnome keyboard preferences tool.
[15:42] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys
[15:43] <AlanBell> alt+shift+numlock might work
[15:45] <phillw> tried :( 
[15:49] <phillw> AlanBell:  found the fix for lack of acceleration :) http://www.exuro.co.uk/2012/mouse-keys-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[15:51] <phillw> what is the name of the universal access module (again. lubuntu does not shift this by default)?
[16:08] <AlanBell> interesting
[16:12] <AlanBell> it is part of gnome-control-center
[16:16] <phillw> I've installed gnome-control-center but no sign of universal access (I'm invoking it from terminal)
[16:17] <phillw> may need to re-start 'X' to pull in the changes.... let me quickly reboot (sledge hammer approach :P )
[16:30] <phillw> hmm, still no sign of universal access :/
[18:37] <AlanBell> phillw: do you have the file /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels/libuniversal-access.so
[18:37] <AlanBell> it should be in the gnome-control-centre package
[19:29] <phillw> AlanBell: phillw@piglet:/usr/lib/control-center-1/panels$ ls
[19:29] <phillw> libuniversal-access.so
[19:29] <phillw> so. yeah.. it's there?
[19:31] <phillw> AlanBell: the full listing is at http://pastebin.com/F5936AfK
[19:32] <AlanBell> hmm, well that is it, that should cause the accessibility icon to turn up in gnome-control-center
[19:33] <AlanBell> so what do you see in gnome-control-center?
[19:40] <phillw> AlanBell: please bear in mind lubuntu does not have the 'refinements' you're used to... this is a simple screen-dump :) http://imagebin.org/238043
[19:41] <AlanBell> mine looks like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202012-12-03%2019:40:58.png
[19:41] <AlanBell> so you only have one icon in each section, which is odd
[19:42] <AlanBell> there kind of should be one for each thing in /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels
[19:43] <phillw> yeah, and 'really' odd... the printer section even recognised my default printer which is not even plugged in !
[19:44] <phillw> yeah, that screen shot looks like what I was expecting to see.
[19:44] <AlanBell> gnome-control-center universal-access
[19:44] <AlanBell> try running that
[19:45] <AlanBell> it should jump straight to that panel
[19:45] <phillw> phillw@piglet:/usr/lib/control-center-1/panels$ gnome-control-center universal-access
[19:45] <phillw> ** (gnome-control-center:3880): WARNING **: Could not find settings panel "universal-access"
[19:46] <phillw> ** (gnome-control-center:3880): WARNING **: Could not load setting panel "universal-access": Unknown error
[19:46] <AlanBell> hmm, so not just an icon display issue
[19:48] <phillw> can you check on your system, they are all permissions root-root 644 in the /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels area?
[19:48] <AlanBell> yeah
[20:15] <phillw> AlanBell: I have a back-trace, do you want me to raise a bug?
[20:15] <AlanBell> go for it
[20:21] <phillw> AlanBell: against gnome-control-center ?
[20:23] <AlanBell> yeah, probably
[20:47] <phillw> AlanBell: please feel free to add any comments to bug 1086134
[20:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1086134 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center will not run correctly in lubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086134
[21:12] <phillw> AlanBell: can you let me know if http://www.exuro.co.uk/2012/mouse-keys-in-ubuntu-12-04/ solves the problem of using a keypad for mouse control for it to change the acceleration of the mouse. Thanks, Phill.
[21:18] <AlanBell> works a treat :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> Bug #1086152
[21:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1086152 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "mouse keys lacks acceleration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086152
[21:26] <phillw> AlanBell: great news, so as his computer can (and does) run windows system, Ubuntu + that patch is a workable solution for him (and possibly, others). I know I don't land on here too often, but a11y is in my blood & I'm really cheered to have found the report as to why acceleration suddenly vanished. I know it happens, a tiny sub-programme falls off the build list... We've had it happen in lubuntu!
[21:27] <phillw> that bug is a simple "fell off the build list for the iso" and requires about zero checking to be be put back in.
[21:27] <AlanBell> bit more than that, there is no UI for it in gnome-control-center
[21:27] <AlanBell> but it doesn't look massively hard, certainly
[21:28] <phillw> as a workaround, it can be added to your wiki area :)
[21:30] <phillw> I'll pull the ubuntu-iso tonight and kick it into a VM (Slow link, takes ~5 hours to get the new & improved Ubuntu DVD image).
[21:35] <phillw> Lubuntu + a11y may be a longer term issue... I'm perplexed as to why some of gnome-control-center works, and the rest does not. for the 'stuff' we are trying to call, that is built into 'X' itself.
[21:36] <phillw> I'll give julien a very gentle dig in the ribs to see if he has any immediate ideas.
[22:27] <phillw> AlanBell: a very unusual request, and one you are free to decline. But... may I have meetingology in ##phillw It is not there for a 'badge' just so that people can bounce ideas around in a structured manner.
[22:38] <AlanBell> I would rather keep it in #ubuntu-* channels, but you can set up a clone
[22:43] <phillw> AlanBell: okies, I'll ask Unit193 - he looks after bots.. his bot on #lubuntu-offtopic seems pretty good. They run off my dedicated server, I'm sure he will sort something out.
[22:43] <phillw> BTW, you have a really good guy on IRC with him :)