[00:44] <ptl> does any of you know how to enable HDMI sound on the UG802 with ubuntu?
[02:54] <stgraber>  /win 37
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <feasty> morning dholbach
[08:19] <dholbach> hey feasty
[08:20] <feasty> Cheers for the email the other day.
[08:24] <dholbach> thank YOU
[08:24] <dholbach> I'll reply to it in a bit - just finishing up some other small bits
[08:25] <feasty> Hey no worries.
[09:14] <hrw> hello
[09:16] <smartboyhw> hello
[09:24] <feasty> hey
[10:57] <xnox> ogra-cb_: so i get initramfs busybox from the nexus boot/rootfs on cdimage.
[10:58] <xnox> ogra-cb_: and I haven't been able to boot a single one off cdimage so far (as far as i remember)
[10:58] <xnox> the one from hwe still works... but I do use the 16GB specific image there.
[11:23] <ogra_> xnox, how did you install ?
[11:24] <hrw> ogra_: does unity 3d works on opengles?
[11:25] <ogra_> hrw, sure
[11:25] <ogra_> else nexus7 wouldnt be possible
[11:26] <hrw> ogra_: someone complains for chromebook: https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromebook-arm/+bug/1085596
[11:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1085596 in Cross distro support for Samsung Chromebook (ARM based) "Graphics acceleration not working in ubuntu desktop 12.10" [Undecided,New]
[11:26] <ogra_> yes, seems the GLES driver doesnt offer all features, you can force it to GLES though but that will still render parts in SW
[11:27] <ogra_> though its fast enough to be usable even with that
[11:27] <hrw> nux-tools has a tool to check it iirc?
[11:28] <ogra_> yes, and that seems toi be bugy
[11:28] <ogra_> *buggy
[11:28] <ogra_> xnox, just installing the latest daily here, seems to work fine so far
[11:29] <ogra_> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.img.gz.zsync
[11:29] <ogra_> zcat raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.img.gz >raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.img
[11:29] <ogra_> sudo fastboot erase boot
[11:29] <ogra_> sudo fastboot erase userdata
[11:29] <ogra_> sudo fastboot flash userdata raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.img
[11:29] <ogra_> sudo fastboot flash boot raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.bootimg
[11:29] <ogra_> sudo fastboot reboot
[11:30] <ogra_> xnox, thats my installation preocess, there is no reason it shouldnt work for you the same way
[11:30] <ogra_> *process
[11:30] <mjrosenb> odd, my chromebook does not seem to ant to update to 12.10
[11:30] <mjrosenb> it seems to really like 12.04
[11:31] <ogra_> mjrosenb, you need to tell update-manager that you want to run non LTS releases
[11:31] <mjrosenb> did that already
[11:31] <ogra_> (somewhere in /etc/default)
[11:31] <mjrosenb> oh, I think I did it through the gui.
[11:31] <ogra_> well, should be the same
[11:32]  * mjrosenb verifies that he did this...
[11:32] <hrw> mjrosenb: I wish you lack with alsa mixer then
[11:33] <hrw> s/lack/luck
[11:33] <ogra_> it is actually in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[11:33] <hrw> mjrosenb: when you will start playing with alsa mixer switches be aware of smoke possibilities
[11:33] <mjrosenb> hrw: alsamixer isn't currently working, so upgrading can't hurt.
[11:34] <xnox> ogra_: I'll purge my downloads and redownload just in case.
[11:34] <mjrosenb> hrw: "smoke possibilities"?
[11:34] <ogra_> xnox, on the 16G model it should still work, it just wont use all of the available diskspace
[11:34] <hrw> mjrosenb: many people (including me) already fried speakers in chromebook
[11:34] <ogra_> mjrosenb, you can blow up the speakers apparently
[11:35] <mjrosenb> neato.
[11:35] <hrw> mjrosenb: smoke, melted plastic etc
[11:35] <hrw> and lot of heat of course
[11:35] <mjrosenb> I usually leave my laptop's speakers muted, so unless that option is inverted...
[11:35] <hrw> it is a bit more complicated
[11:38]  * ogra_ is in oem-config
[11:41] <ogra_> gah
[11:41] <ogra_> the WLAN paswword input field doesnt take any input
[11:43] <ogra_> xnox, hmm, i thinnk compiz screws up onboard here
[11:44] <ogra_> i can provide the wlan PW via the NW applet ... but not through the installer
[11:44] <xnox> ogra_: interesting.
[11:44] <ogra_> and now i cant type in my name
[11:45] <ogra_> fridays image worked though
[11:46] <ogra_> sigh
[11:46] <ogra_> not being able to create a user is kind of a blocker
[11:46]  * ogra_ reboots
[11:49] <ogra_> ah, better, a reboot fixed it (though probably because i didnt need to configure the wlan this time)
[11:56] <hrw> ogra_: which keymap does ac100 uses?
[11:56] <hrw> ogra_: kernel one, own xkb one, generic xkb one?
[11:57] <ogra_> consoilesetup as every ub untu out there
[11:57] <ogra_> *console-setup
[11:57] <ogra_> nexus7 install finished ... no issues beyond the kbd input stuff above
[11:59] <hrw> ogra_: console-setup is just a package.
[12:00] <ogra_> yes, the package conatining all kbd and console font related setup bits
[12:01] <ogra_> it uses keyboard-configuration, xkb-data and kbd in the backend
[12:03] <hrw> ok, but did you added ac100 specific keymap or not had to?
[12:04] <ogra_> why would i `
[12:04] <hrw> ok
[12:05] <hrw> I am wondering how to handle chromebook keyboard. default keymap under chromium has set of useful mappings (pgup/down home/end) which are missing under ubuntu
[12:59] <ppisati> ok, this is weird
[12:59] <ppisati> i've a package (oprofile) that was removed in precise
[12:59] <ppisati> but later was reintroduced
[12:59] <ppisati> but was only built for armel
[12:59] <ppisati> ?!?!
[13:00] <ppisati> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oprofile/
[13:00] <ppisati> here is the Q version
[13:00] <ogra-cb> likely debian/control messed up
[13:01] <ppisati> showing that it was only built for i386/amd64 and armel
[13:01] <ppisati> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oprofile/0.9.8-0ubuntu1
[13:01] <ogra-cb> check debian/control if it is "Architecture: any"
[13:01] <ogra-cb> (it should)
[13:02] <ppisati> nope
[13:02] <ppisati> Architecture: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 sparc
[13:02] <ogra-cb> yeah. fix that then :)
[13:03] <ppisati> adding armhf should be enough
[13:03] <ogra-cb> well, it defines all available arches anyway
[13:03] <ogra-cb> so "Architecture: any" would be proper
[13:03] <ppisati> yeah, "any" is probably better
[13:51] <ppisati> actually it's more than this
[13:51] <ppisati> the importer fails
[13:51] <ppisati> http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/oprofile.html
[13:52] <ppisati> bah
[13:52] <janimo> ogra-cb, do you know what could have bringed and empty  /lib/modules/3.5.0-213-omap4/ on the nexus7?
[13:52] <janimo> I only noticed it now, no idea which package brought it
[13:52] <ppisati> weird
[13:53] <janimo> I suppose it's not via the default install. It only had a build symlink in it
[13:53] <ogra-cb> ppisati, well, bug 653312 shows some activity at least
[13:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 653312 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "Import fails with NoSuchRevision" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653312
[13:53] <ogra-cb> ppisati, make some noise there :)
[13:53] <ogra-cb> janimo, headers most likely
[13:55] <ogra-cb> 3.1.10-8-nexus7  3.5.0-215-omap4
[13:55] <ogra-cb> ogra@nexus7:~$ dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.5.0-215-omap4
[13:55] <ogra-cb> linux-headers-3.5.0-215-omap4: /lib/modules/3.5.0-215-omap4
[13:55] <ogra-cb> yeah
[13:56] <ogra-cb> ogra@nexus7:~$ apt-cache show linux-headers-3.5.0-215-omap4|grep Task
[13:56] <ogra-cb> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb
[16:26] <ogra-cb> ppisati, err, whats that about disabling ondemand +
[16:26] <ogra-cb> ?
[16:27] <ppisati> ondemand is broken in P
[16:27] <ppisati> or actually
[16:27] <ppisati> cpufreq was broken back then
[16:27] <ppisati> in fact the default scheduler is performance
[16:27] <ppisati> but there's one guy insisting in using ondemand
[16:28] <ogra-cb> cant be, i never had a simgle issue with that
[16:28] <ppisati> so i decided to swith it off completely
[16:28] <ppisati> precise?
[16:28] <ogra-cb> and thats an essential ubuntu default
[16:28] <ppisati> no, it's not
[16:28] <ogra-cb> natty to raring
[16:28] <ppisati> here is the original bug
[16:28] <ppisati> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/971091
[16:28] <ogra-cb> ppisati, yes, we forcefully set it in userspace since 2008
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971091 in Linaro-Ubuntu "Pandaboard ES freezes with the default CPU scaling governor ondemand" [Medium,Fix committed]
[16:29] <ogra-cb> i know, i see the bug (you mention it in the merge request too)
[16:29] <ppisati> comment #16 says "AFAIK this should be solved in tilt-3.4, the problem was coming from frequency update code which should now be in good shape."
[16:29] <ogra-cb> if you disable it in kernel, did you test how the userspace bits behave if the module is nonexisting ?
[16:30] <ppisati> wait
[16:30] <ppisati> i'm not using on demand on my boards
[16:30] <ppisati> i mean, no one forces it
[16:30] <ogra-cb> afaik the only prob we ever had with ondemand vs perfocmance that was actiually traceable against cpufreq was when we switched to cpuidle for a short period in precise
[16:30] <ogra-cb> ppisati, see the init scripts
[16:32] <ogra-cb> specifically /etc/init.d/ondemand
[16:32] <ppisati> ogra-cb: wait
[16:33] <tassadar_> ogra-cb: will 12.10 ubuntu for nexus7 receive any updates or will you update only raring now?
[16:34] <ogra-cb> tassadar_, *i* wont touch quantal (but i also havent touched it since UDS)
[16:34] <ogra-cb> tassadar_, quantal is a very evil hacked up demo image that shoouldnt actually be used for more than demoing or looking at bugs
[16:35] <ogra-cb> raring recieves all the love
[16:37] <tassadar_> okay, thanks, one more annoying question: I would like ubuntu to be able to use some folder in /data/media/ as root folder and to be able to use .img file from flash drive as /. Is there a chance that modification like that would get into official ubuntu packages, if it is clean&properly done?
[16:38] <ogra-cb> yes, i think i told you about the work in grub that linaro is doing
[16:38] <ogra-cb> thats exactly using such a setup
[16:38] <ogra-cb> using grub for a boot menu, then lupin for mounting an img
[16:40] <ogra-cb> atter all i would still suggest to just use the recovery partition, apply two minot changes to the userspace and be done though
[16:40] <ogra-cb> *minor
[16:40] <tassadar_> I don't want to lose recovery :/
[16:40] <ogra-cb> (ita auper trivial)
[16:41] <ogra-cb> *its super ...
[16:41]  * ogra-cb cant see his keys in the dark
[16:42] <ogra-cb> you can even do dual boot with the current images with a minor modificatio
[16:42] <ogra-cb> n
[16:42] <tassadar_> ...continue...)
[16:42] <ogra-cb> ?
[16:42] <tassadar_> what exactly do you mean by minor modification
[16:43] <ogra-cb> well, flash bootimg to recovery and develop a patch for flash-kernel to respect that
[16:43] <ogra-cb> thats all dual boot needs
[16:44] <ogra-cb> ppisati, is there no way to fix it in kernel ?
[16:44] <tassadar_> well, now that kexec-hardboot support is in n7 kernel, I can just use files from /boot folder in Ubuntu's root, which is awesome
[16:44] <ogra-cb> instead of chopping out the option
[16:44] <ppisati> ogra-cb: the fix is "somewhere" is tilt-3.4
[16:45] <ppisati> ogra-cb: so it could be anywhere
[16:45] <ogra-cb> tassadar_, that wont save you, it will berak on the fist run of update-initramfs
[16:45] <tassadar_> yes, I'll have to remove the flash-kernel hook
[16:46] <ogra-cb> which you really want to keep in case someone uses i.e. an encrypted homedir
[16:47] <ogra-cb> tassadar_, if you want to avoid flashing, tra to have a file that exports FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP on boot
[16:47] <ogra-cb> (set it to something indeed)
[16:47] <ogra-cb> that should save you
[16:47] <ogra-cb> thats better than removing packaged files
[16:47] <tassadar_> yeah, saw that in the hooks, that will indeed be better
[16:47] <ogra-cb> (they have a tendency to re-appear) ;)
[16:50] <ppisati> ogra-cb: anyhow, if you try to use a governor that is not available, it's a noop
[16:50] <ogra-cb> k
[16:51] <ogra-cb> still, its an ubuntu default we dont offer
[16:51] <ogra-cb> also are we sure the thing wont overheat if it permanently runs at full speed ?
[16:51] <ppisati> either we do this, or we have to disable cpufreq
[16:52] <ogra-cb> which means full power anyway and bigger changes
[16:53] <ogra-cb> well, seems there is no way around unless we offer a backported kernel then :/
[16:54] <ppisati> ogra-cb: btw, i was pretty sure i asked what our builders were running, and i was told it was performance
[16:55] <ogra-cb> ppisati, ah, could be, i think they use ubuntu-core or something similar, that might not ship these userspace bits
[16:55] <ppisati> ogra-cb: so if they don't melt, i'm good with performance
[16:56] <ogra-cb> heh, k
[16:56] <ogra-cb> infinity, so whats your plan wrt nexus7 and flavours
[16:57] <infinity> Not sure I have one.
[16:57] <ogra-cb> currently an ubuntu desktop build takes 130-150min
[16:57] <ogra-cb> if we switch doing tarball post processing on nusakan i guess we could get to 90min or so
[16:58] <ogra-cb> i have definitive requests from kubuntu. lubuntu and edubuntu
[16:59] <ogra-cb> and would like to provide something for them by A2 time
[16:59] <infinity> We'll have to talk about it in a bit, then.
[16:59] <infinity> It may require bringing up another buildd.
[16:59] <ogra-cb> do you think there are chances for simply getting a second builder in place
[16:59] <ogra-cb> ah, snap
[17:13] <whatissixbynine> sup sup
[17:17] <whatissixbynine> I've got a galaxy s3 i9300 (exynos 4212 quad core version, 1gb ram, no lte). Would like to get this going for it.. any advice?
[17:19] <whatissixbynine> 4412 i meant, sorry!
[17:41] <whatissixbynine> :/
[18:01] <whatissixbynine> jeez guys
[18:02] <whatissixbynine> how ya gonna pick up momentum if no one is ever around ;_;
[18:05]  * ogra-cb sees 178 people in the channel
[18:06] <ogra-cb> whatissixbynine, usually people react to questions in this channel, you should probably ask yours :)
[18:07] <whatissixbynine> [09:18] <whatissixbynine> I've got a galaxy s3 i9300 (exynos 4212 quad core version, 1gb ram, no lte). Would like to get this going for it.. any advice?
[18:07] <ogra-cb> thats not a question is it ?
[18:08] <whatissixbynine> sure looks like it to me o.O
[18:08] <ogra-cb> what exactlyy do you want to know ?
[18:08] <whatissixbynine> its enough information to correctly ident it (was 4412 rather than 4212 cpu btw)
[18:08] <ogra-cb> we dont offer any images for phones
[18:09] <whatissixbynine> well, i don't see an ubuntu for general exynos, but i do see one for odroid-x
[18:09] <ogra-cb> so its up to you
[18:09] <ogra-cb> the userspace can surely run on that HW
[18:09] <whatissixbynine> there was a great project with the motorola, vids and such, calls and texts working
[18:09] <ogra-cb> not from here though
[18:10] <whatissixbynine> so your saying that no one bothered to pull the stuff in?
[18:10] <ogra-cb> there is a commercial project from canonical, if you mean ubuntu for android
[18:10] <whatissixbynine> hm
[18:10] <ogra-cb> of which there is nothing more available than these videos
[18:11] <xnox> publically that is.
[18:11] <ogra-cb> ubuntu-arm offrers current;y images for panda and beagleboard as well as the nexus7 tablet and the ac100 netbook
[18:11] <ogra-cb> if you want anything else you need to build it
[18:12] <ogra-cb> (oh, and i forgot highbank and armadaxp arches on server)
[18:12] <whatissixbynine> hm
[18:12] <whatissixbynine> yeah i figured i would have to build it, but i thought i could take something like the odroid and hack it towards this. anyway not sure how to start.
[18:12] <whatissixbynine> so
[18:13] <whatissixbynine> Would like to get this going for it.. any advice? where do i start?
[18:13] <whatissixbynine> I can get chroot working, and i don't like it. vnc sucks.
[18:13] <ogra-cb> well, userspace is usuallz always the same in ubuntu-arm
[18:13] <whatissixbynine> just its crashing is a dealbreaker
[18:14]  * xnox is not sure what "odroid" is that you are talking about.
[18:14] <whatissixbynine> the ubuntu for android is what I am looking for
[18:14] <ogra-cb> so you need to know how to modify the bootloader and shoudl provide your own kernel
[18:14] <whatissixbynine> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php
[18:14] <ogra-cb> ubuntu for android only exists in videos
[18:15] <whatissixbynine> ok, so the repos for the packages i want arn't open source or openly available?
[18:15] <ogra-cb> no idea if there are repos
[18:15] <ogra-cb> there is surely code, but yeah, thats not public yet
[18:15] <whatissixbynine> i dont really care if i got to build from scratch, i'm looking for a guide or howto or something
[18:15] <ogra-cb> well, there is nothing yet
[18:16] <whatissixbynine> well, how does one go about porting arm to a new device?
[18:16] <whatissixbynine> one that's NOT new
[18:16] <whatissixbynine> 99% of what i need driver wise should be in the odroid image
[18:16] <ogra-cb> well, userspace is usually ported :)
[18:16] <whatissixbynine> ?
[18:16] <whatissixbynine> no comprende
[18:16] <ogra-cb> as long as you have an ARMv7 device all of ubuntu will just run
[18:17] <whatissixbynine> yes it is
[18:17] <ogra-cb> what you need to get your specific device going is ehough insight into the bootloader and boot process and your own kernel build
[18:18] <whatissixbynine> give me a sec
[18:18] <ogra-cb> (as i said above a few lines)
[18:18] <whatissixbynine> i'm having trouble with ur head
[18:20] <ogra-cb> all of ubuntu is built and available for ARMv7 ... if you have a working setup you can just apt-get install whatever you want ... not different to any intel PC
[18:20] <ogra-cb> but whats not in ubuntu is any support for your device
[18:20] <ogra-cb> (bootloader and kernel)
[18:21] <ogra-cb> everything above bootloader and kernel level is already there and usable ...
[18:21] <ogra-cb> so to enable your device you need to get these two bits working
[18:26] <whatissixbynine> ok
[18:26] <whatissixbynine> that makes a bit more sense
[18:27] <whatissixbynine> when I chroot into it, and do the vnc type install, that does not create an acceptable kernel/bootloader?
[18:27] <whatissixbynine> that's actually a vm?
[18:27] <ogra-cb> no, that uses the android kernel and bootloader
[18:28] <ogra-cb> its a chroot, a VM emulates a machine
[18:28] <whatissixbynine> right, thought so
[18:28] <ogra-cb> the chroot just uses the android and runs an ubuntu rootfs inside
[18:28] <ogra-cb> whcih also means that various bits indeed wont work
[18:28] <whatissixbynine> got it
[18:37] <whatissixbynine> hm
[19:07] <Ethernin> yeah it would be great if you could just install full arm ubuntu with it's own kernel on android phones...
[19:07] <Ethernin> like the Nexus 7
[19:08] <whatissixbynine> yes
[19:14] <whatissixbynine> Ethernin, it really should be possible. very annoying that it's even this hard. even more annoying that there's little to no open projects for porting to new devices
[19:16] <RaYmAn> It's not hard at all. Getting basic linux/debian/ubuntu running on any arm device where you can flash your own kernel is trivial..Getting it running good is a whole other matter of course.
[19:20] <whatissixbynine> RaYmAn, ok now your talking sir!
[19:21] <whatissixbynine> i have ability to dual boot into secondary rom, so initially i would slam in there
[19:21] <whatissixbynine> running good may indeed take a lot more, but i would be happy to get a start on
[19:21] <whatissixbynine> currently downloading the android sammy source for my i9300 and gonna try to slam the linux image from odroid inside it
[19:22] <RaYmAn> usually the easiest is just a couple of steps. 1) get a standard rootfs that doesn't start anything graphical - disable plymouth.Put it on an sdcard 2) build a kernel with fbconsole enabled and point cmdline at sdcard. fbcon should give some info
[19:23] <whatissixbynine> not sure at all what i'm doing at this point, but i suppose i could update yall as we go
[19:24] <whatissixbynine> right
[19:33] <slangasek> hey, anyone here who could help with a gdb-multiarch issue?
[19:37] <slangasek> am trying to run gdb-multiarch on x86_64 against an Ubuntu armhf corefile + executable; I swear this used to work, but I never remember quite how to do it so I'm not sure if gdb has regressed or if I'm just missing the magic option