[01:08] <rick_h_> what is meeting time? 9pm then?
[01:10] <rick_h_> hmm, sucky poor reviews on the redis cookbook and the 'definitive guide' isn't due until middle of next year
[01:10] <jrwren> yes, 9pm afaik
[01:10] <rick_h_> which means it'll likely be out next christmas
[01:10] <jrwren> i can't imagine a whole book on redis :)
[01:11] <rick_h_> heh, well there's a crap ton of 'commands'
[01:11] <rick_h_> curious about the expected use case/best practices on it
[01:15] <jrwren> true
[01:17] <krabador> hi people, i need help to install nvidia-173 on ubuntu 12.10
[01:20] <rick_h_> hey krabador, not sure how to help there. Not really much info to go off of.
[01:20] <rick_h_> there's a couple of google hits just for searching for your question there
[01:20] <rick_h_> http://namakutux.blogspot.com/2012/11/solved-how-to-install-nvidia-173-on.html
[01:20] <rick_h_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/209772/driver-video-nvidia-nvidia-173-uninstallable-on-12-10-quantal-quetzal
[01:22] <krabador> rick_h_, relly useful, thanx
[01:25] <krabador> rick_h_, it seems i must wait
[01:36] <snap-l> 25 minutes until meeting time
[01:36] <rick_h_> I'm going to fall alseep waiting...
[01:36] <rick_h_> zzzz
[01:37] <krabador> good sleep
[01:38] <rick_h_> ok, so really I'm writing unit tests...but I could be falling asleep!
[01:40] <snap-l> You shuld write unit tests to see if you're already asleep
[01:41] <rick_h_> crap, left a pdb in there and now hung waiting for input...but I'm asleep
[01:59] <brousch> I'm here!
[01:59] <jjesse> would you like a prize?
[02:00] <snap-l> Welcome everyone to the December 2012 Ubuntu US MI Meeting!
[02:00] <snap-l> Here's the agenda for this meeting: http://www.baenebooks.com/p-1618-the-monster-hunters.aspx
[02:00] <snap-l> OK, that is decidedly NOT the agenda for this meeting.
[02:00] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/370/detail/
[02:00] <snap-l> (Reminder: don't go book shoopping prior to meeting)
[02:01] <snap-l> OK, I only have a few things to cover for this meeting, so if you have anything you'd like to add, please feel free
[02:01] <snap-l> otherwise, should be pretty short
[02:01] <snap-l> 1) http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/370/agenda/1376/update/
[02:02] <snap-l> Recap of the Ubuntu 12.10 MUG Meeting
[02:02] <snap-l> First off, a HUGE thanks to jcastro_ and smoser for showing up and double props to jcastro_ for essentially demoing Ubuntu 12.10 with no notice at all. :)
[02:03] <snap-l> I don't think the presentation would have been nearly as smooth without them, and certainly without jcastro_
[02:03] <snap-l> So, huge thanks!
[02:03] <snap-l> Mark Ramm showed up as well, which was pretty cool
[02:04] <snap-l> I think ths stone soup idea needed a little more priming on my part. UNfortunately I hadn't used Ubuntu 12.10 that much prior to the meeting.
[02:04] <snap-l> so all I knew about it was the shopping lens
[02:05] <snap-l> also, don't try doing a demo on an under-powered Dell machine.
[02:05] <snap-l> Lessons learned. :)
[02:05] <snap-l> Any questions or comments about the MUG meeting?
[02:06] <snap-l> OK, moving on then
[02:06] <snap-l> Recap of 2012
[02:07] <snap-l> I feel this year we kept marking time. We had a few events, and some pretty well attended events
[02:07] <snap-l> but overall I'm not sure if the spark that we had in the earlier years is there.
[02:08] <snap-l> We did have some pretty awesome events, especially the release parties
[02:09] <snap-l> (I'm not sure I'll ever be able to top the Michigan fight song being played on bagpipes)
[02:09] <snap-l> but the global jams suffered from last-minute planning and event-space changes.
[02:10] <snap-l> and those attracted a somewhat skeleton crew.
[02:11] <snap-l> I'm not sure what the answer is to get those more attended, and I think we need to discuss what we can do to help make these events better for everyone
[02:11] <snap-l> and hopefully bring back the spark and enjoyment that we all had the first time we booted an Ubuntu disc.
[02:11] <snap-l> I'm confident we can pull out of this funk. ;)
[02:11] <brousch> I find it difficult to get folks interested these days
[02:12] <jjesse-home> its kind of the new normal or something
[02:12] <snap-l> brousch: Agreed. I think a lot of Ubuntu feels like it's on auto-pilot
[02:12] <brousch> Most of the local tech folk use Ubuntu, but no one is really excited about it
[02:12] <snap-l> We do these things because of tradition, not because we care.
[02:12] <jjesse-home> there's nothing "sexy" any more
[02:13] <rick_h_> Well before there was interesting in working on bugs and that faded. What is there now that can bring interesting in working on something real/productive?
[02:13] <rick_h_> no more karma whoring for the bug cleaners :P
[02:14] <snap-l> rick_h_: Don't get me started on the karma whoring for bug cleanup. :)
[02:15] <rick_h_> heh, sorry didn't mean to bring up bad history. However I think that was when we were at our best as far as productivity/etc
[02:15] <rick_h_> bug jams and the like
[02:15] <snap-l> But it's definitely something for thought. I'm not sure how we can get folks excited again, but I'd rather have some excited folks
[02:15] <rick_h_> so curious if anyone has a 'new' bug jam idea that can get people interested
[02:15] <snap-l> I think the badges were a step in that direction
[02:15] <snap-l> but it just felt "off"
[02:16] <jjesse-home> accomplishes?
[02:16] <jjesse-home> acoomplishments or whatever
[02:16] <snap-l> Maybe a "community service" day?
[02:16] <snap-l> jjesse-home: Thank you. I was blanking on the name
[02:17] <snap-l> A day where we go through and help clean up some cruft
[02:17] <jjesse-home> what about a "ask ubuntu day"
[02:17] <snap-l> update wiki pages, vote up stuff in Ask Ubuntu
[02:17] <jjesse-home> or something like that, did through old ask ubuntu questions and try to help them out
[02:17] <snap-l> Y'know, that's what I did the last jam day.
[02:17] <snap-l> spent it all sifting through Ask Ubuntu
[02:18] <jjesse-home> was it boring?
[02:18] <snap-l> Not really. It was kind of interesting.
[02:19] <snap-l> but that's the sort of thing that I'm talking about. Maybe not on a jam day, but something where we could meet, either online or in person to just sit and do something that interests us
[02:21] <snap-l> Anywho, some food for thought.
[02:22] <jjesse-home> so since i'm not on Ubuntu does the accomplishment thing actually work? or was it not really made a part of the project?
[02:22] <snap-l> jjesse-home: I never did anything with it. It didn't appeal to me
[02:22] <jjesse-home> so you have to install it?
[02:22] <snap-l> I think so
[02:23] <jjesse-home> ah requires a ppa
[02:23] <jjesse-home> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing
[02:27] <snap-l> Anywho, something to think about for the coming year.
[02:28] <snap-l> I know not everyone on here uses Ubuntu, but I'm pretty sure you all want to see it improve
[02:28] <snap-l> and I think we can all be a part of that.
[02:29] <snap-l> I think our biggest problem is we keep graduating folks into Canonical. :)
[02:32] <snap-l> Anywho, that's all I have for now
[02:32] <snap-l> Anything else anyone wants to bring up?
[02:32] <rick_h_> I like pie
[02:33] <snap-l> Duly noted
[02:33] <snap-l> Perhaps we could have a day of pie
[02:37] <jjesse-home> i like pie
[02:37] <rick_h_> ok, wife's agreed we can have a pie CHC
[02:37] <rick_h_> vote apple or pumpkin
[02:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: pumpkin, please.
[02:38] <snap-l> Which date? :)
[02:39] <rick_h_> snap-l: 12th or 19th
[02:39] <rick_h_> TBD
[02:39] <snap-l> kk
[02:42] <snap-l> OK, I think we can stick a pie-stained fork in this meeting. :)
[02:43] <snap-l> Thank you everyone.
[02:44] <brousch> No thank you
[04:19] <greg-g> rick_h_: I seem to remember you having an opinion on rechargable batteries. What was it? :)
[04:26] <rick_h_> eneloop greg-g
[04:27] <greg-g> you're up late
[04:28] <rick_h_> yea, can't sleep
[04:28] <rick_h_> so going to QA my code change and get a drink for a few min
[04:32]  * greg-g nods
[04:32] <rick_h_> and looking at wood :P http://www.bellforestproducts.com/
[04:32] <greg-g> rick_h_: just because you're here: I can't imagine a reason why my energizer recharging station wouldn't work with the eneloop ones, right?
[04:32] <greg-g> hah
[04:33] <rick_h_> no, but the eneloop came with a charger that was nice for it so I ended using theirs
[04:33] <greg-g> that is a deep hole to get lost in
[04:33] <greg-g> wood species seems like such a huge topic; all the diff qualities to think about
[04:33] <rick_h_> yea
[04:33] <rick_h_> I need something very stable for making some straight edges out of
[04:34] <rick_h_> and looking at what it would cost to do something nice/fancy for these night stands :/
[04:34] <greg-g> gotcha
[04:34] <rick_h_> http://www.bellforestproducts.com/hand-pick/view/11126/?b=L2ZpZ3VyZWQtYnViaW5nYS8=
[04:36] <rick_h_> wow, 3 5/8" thick http://www.bellforestproducts.com/hand-pick/view/11244/?b=L2ZpZ3VyZWQtYnViaW5nYS9oYW5kLXBpY2svMS8=
[04:40] <greg-g> sexy
[12:08] <brousch> Some other GR group I have nothing to do withnhas Katie Cunningham speaking remotely
[12:08] <brousch> http://www.meetup.com/Software-GR-and-GLSEC/events/93791272/?a=ea1_grp&rv=ea1
[13:51] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:51] <snap-l> brousch: Huh, that's interesting.
[13:51] <brousch> What is?
[13:51] <snap-l> Some other GR group I have nothing to do withnhas Katie
[13:51] <snap-l> Cunningham speaking remotely
[13:53] <brousch> ah, yeah
[14:13] <snap-l> This is awesome: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/mysql_deprecation
[14:14] <snap-l> Awesome, as in I think Wordpress is going to have some work ahead of them
[14:17] <nullspace> snap-l: this has been a long time in the making, 2011 is when I first heard about it
[14:18] <nullspace> it's sad that people haven't moved to PDO ...
[14:18] <rick_h_> mysqli and pdo were out when I did php, that's some 4 years ago?
[14:19] <nullspace> it's way easier to use and less hassle too, can bring a horse to water but you can't make it use objects
[14:19] <brousch> I seem to remember them even when I did PHP in 2002-2004
[14:25] <snap-l> Well, it's also been one of the cited reasons for them not moving to Postgres
[14:25] <snap-l> So, sooner they move to PDO, the happier I'll be
[14:32] <nullspace> crap!
[14:35] <nullspace> we inheritated a code igniter app that looks like it's on the chopping block
[14:36] <nullspace> and I'm loving this converstation in thos forum http://ellislab.com/forums/viewthread/179618/#885102
[14:36] <nullspace> honestly fuck these guys
[16:33] <rick_h_> greg-g: so I'd always keep at least one going tbh
[16:33] <rick_h_> I do my rsync to my nas and very import stuff to servers in the cloud but still keep some stuff in dropbox/U1. Now I do that because I use U1 for canonical stuff and dropbox is more personal
[16:34] <rick_h_> but I use those more for being able to link to things as well
[16:34] <snap-l> I am wedded to dropbox because of todotxt
[16:34] <snap-l> also O'Reilly and Pragprog sync books via Dropbox
[16:36] <greg-g> yeah, I think I'll keep my accounts with them, obviously, for those types of things (O'Reilly etc) but, at what point do I reclaim disk space by deleting the work/personal docs in them and just using git-annex for them (since they are, starting now, slowly diverging)
[16:36] <snap-l> greg-g: Whatever makes you comfortable. :)
[16:36] <rick_h_> greg-g: can they not share space?
[16:36] <rick_h_> e.g. U1 folder the same as git-annex?
[16:37] <rick_h_> and then just drop dropbox or something?
[16:37] <greg-g> no, git-annex uses symlinks for all content (it's an awesome engineering thing that you should check out, you'd probably really like how it works ;) )
[16:38] <rick_h_> ok, well I'd try to keep one. If only because of the non-data stuff. And I'd make 100% sure something emails/throws giant alarms if the git-annex stuff silently starts failing to work
[16:38] <rick_h_> I do like how the dropbox icon changes when it's got issues
[16:38] <greg-g> ~/annex/some_file.iso actually is a symlink (the symlink is committed into git) that points to eg: ~/annex/.git/annex/objects/a3/zh/s-12981231-SHA256E-69182498124918018101989812982532.iso
[16:38] <rick_h_> but I do like to use dropbox/U1 for mobile access and such
[16:39] <greg-g> yeah, the mobile thing is a use case not yet supported really by git-annex, but it is also a use-case I don't really use :/
[16:39] <snap-l> dropbox is awesome for mobile access
[16:39] <rick_h_> oh interesting, kind of the reverse I'd expect, but makes sense
[16:39] <rick_h_> yea, like I upload all my flight info into there and make sure it's offline cache'd
[16:39] <rick_h_> so that i can load up itenerary, confirmations, etc offline on there
[16:39] <greg-g> well, you don't want you git history to store every version of huge binary files :)
[16:39]  * greg-g yeah
[16:40] <greg-g> er
[16:40]  * greg-g nods
[16:40] <rick_h_> greg-g: right, makes sense. It's not great at large binary files so cool that they've worked around some of that
[16:41] <greg-g> yeah, the cool thing is now you have all these hashed files (which, if you hash two files that are the same content, it'll dedup in the backend) where you have every version going back in time, until you want to clean up your history. Then you just "git-annex dropunused" and drop the unwanted unused backend files
[16:41] <greg-g> so, best of both worlds, really (is the idea)
[16:43] <greg-g> by "clean up your history" I mean "reclaim space used by old versions of big files that you no longer want" (think: intermittent huge renderings that are steps on the way to a final movie, in-process you want them all versioned, but when you're "done" you can safely get rid of them)
[16:43]  * greg-g is a convert, if you can't tell ;)
[18:22] <snap-l> rick_h_: https://cahxmas.herokuapp.com/
[18:23] <rick_h_> snap-l: already ordered
[18:24] <Blazeix> the way one would pronounce that subdomain makes me hesitant to click it at work
[18:24] <rick_h_> yea, I had to think twice
[18:25] <rick_h_> it came out of an email so didn't notice until it was too late
[18:27] <snap-l> Is it out of print already?
[18:27] <snap-l> Ah, you already ordered it. ;)
[18:27] <snap-l> I can read, really.
[22:49] <snap-l> greg-g: Maybe I should start up the post-startup, to get us back to a simpler time of wealth redistribution for good ideas
[22:49] <snap-l> a Holistic Organic Leveraging Distribution
[22:49] <snap-l> We could call it the HOLD-UP
[22:50] <greg-g> :)
[22:50] <snap-l> where I go to angel investers and say, quite pointedly "gimme your money, this is a HOLD-UP"