| ScottK | ronnoc: Someone ought to explain to them that there's KDE/Plasma in the Ubuntu repositories. No need to offer opensuse just for that. | 00:10 |
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| ronnoc | ScottK: I caught that | 00:11 |
| ScottK | ronnoc: Here's your chance to be a Kubuntu evangelist. | 00:11 |
| ronnoc | Yea. I'll start by blogging about it and commenting on the article and go from there. At that pricepoint, and with the percieved 'safety-net' of Android, this thing could be huge. | 00:13 |
| ScottK | Deleting 22K messages from Akonadi/Kmail takes a LONG time. | 00:20 |
| micahg | that's something it shares with Thunderbird :) | 00:24 |
| persia | Do they regenerate the index on each delete? | 00:26 |
| ScottK | Not sure, but it's progressed about 2.5K since I mentioned it. | 01:23 |
| ScottK | I suspect the problem is the display is trying to refresh after each delete as the process that's CPU bound is Kontact/Kmail, not something akonadi. | 01:23 |
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| ronnoc_ | BTW ScottK - I'm already a kubuntu evangelist :) | 04:01 |
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| Tm_T | mhb ... who knows where he is? | 06:00 |
| Tm_T | this one https://launchpad.net/~martin.bohm | 06:01 |
| Tm_T | ...is expiring on kubuntu-members | 06:01 |
| ScottK | He's not been involved in some time. | 06:04 |
| ScottK | It's unfortunate, but I'm not surprised. | 06:04 |
| Tm_T | allright so no worries | 06:05 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: the Polo just arrived, yay! | 09:21 |
| Mamarok | thank you very much :) | 09:21 |
| afiestas | Riddell: ktuberling thingy done | 09:29 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: remember the payment, you need to post a picture of you or someone equally good looking wearing it on planets ubuntu/kde :) | 09:42 |
| Mamarok | will certainly do in a few minutes :) | 09:42 |
| Mamarok | I will ping you when it is up | 09:42 |
| Riddell | "Qt 4.8.4 has just been released" says my e-mail | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: nice | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | "Stable release4.8.4[2] / 29 November 2012; 5 days ago" says Wikipedia, ye | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | source being http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/11/29/qt-4-8-4-released/ | 10:02 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: mm, qt announce list being a bit slow indeed | 10:33 |
| Riddell | bah kdepimlibs needing some change | 10:40 |
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| shadeslayer | Riddell: art thou working on pimlibs? | 11:21 |
| shadeslayer | it needs libxslt1-dev from what I can tell | 11:21 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: yeah I am | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | ah cool | 11:22 |
| Riddell | just got my chroot set up | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | cool :) | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | lunchpad i386 builders have insanely long build queues | 11:24 |
| Riddell | loads of symbols removed from kdepimlibs 4.9.90 compared to 4.9.80 | 12:08 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:13 |
| Riddell | lots more 4.9.90 to be done http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html | 13:23 |
| Riddell | !ninjas | 13:24 |
| ubottu | Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | busy with phonon stuff | 13:24 |
| * yofel_ is at work | 13:25 | |
| Riddell | just when you're free :) | 13:25 |
| Riddell | and not busy on alpha 1 testing or 4.9.4 :) | 13:25 |
| simplew | sometimes kubuntu changes back to defaults, i use to change fonts to 'Sans 8' and in "kcmshell4 componentchooser" -> Web Browser i use to change to option 'in an application based on the contents of the URL'. but kubuntu uses to change back these settings to defaults, how is this possible? | 13:31 |
| yofel_ | someone that's bored could test 4.9.4 for precise. It finished building a while ago | 13:33 |
| Riddell | yofel_: for precise? very generous of us to do | 13:34 |
| simplew | Riddell: i have sent you an email about this problem, could you have a look? | 13:34 |
| yofel_ | there seem to be plenty of people still on precise, and it's not a really large update | 13:34 |
| simplew | yofel_: hey dude :) | 13:35 |
| Riddell | simplew: sorry not today way too many other things to be done | 13:35 |
| yofel_ | hi simplew | 13:35 |
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| simplew | no one has an idea why these 2 settings keep getting to kubuntus default for no reason? | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | yofel, Riddell: IMHO we should try to give more updates to LTS releases anyway ... particularly when they are little effort | 13:37 |
| simplew | Riddell: the mail was sent 8 days ago... | 13:37 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it's a bit of a luxury when we're slow at packaging for development release and current release | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: personally I'd take LTS + dev series over latest random stable | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | but yeah | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | we'd be faster if people were talking me serious :P | 13:39 |
| simplew | does anyone have a clue why the mouse theme in lightdm or kdm is 'Oxygen_White' when i changed the mouse theme in systemsettings to another? | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | language fail | 13:39 |
| yofel | simplew: the login screen should be using the x-cursor-theme alternative | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | also #kubuntu for support please | 13:40 |
| * apachelogger just broke ktuberling again -.- | 13:41 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: the audience who wants an LTS is unlikely to want the latest KDE from a PPA I feel | 13:41 |
| simplew | apachelogger: but these questions are also realted with development, so that they can be fixed | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: dunno, particularly kde contributors tend to install LTS for their dear ones but put the latest PPA SC on it | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | so it's less far off from the latest and greatest | 13:43 |
| simplew | i see that in startupconfigfiles and startupconfigkeys theres no set for fonts, maybe thats why fonts continue being changed to kubuntu defaults? | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | (I am not saying we should backport every SC inbetween LTS relases btw) | 13:43 |
| Riddell | "PPA exceeded its size limit" | 13:44 |
| Riddell | rollocks, ninjas is full | 13:44 |
| yofel | hehe | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | do they still not run janitor? | 13:44 |
| yofel | it's running | 13:44 |
| yofel | but it seems like 4.9.90 + 2X4.9.4 was too large | 13:45 |
| Riddell | especially with language packs for quantal and precise! | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | we have language packs in ninja? | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | guess those do not need to go there | 13:46 |
| yofel | I didn't think they would be that large | 13:46 |
| Riddell | yofel's generosity is too large :) | 13:47 |
| yofel | true ^^ | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 13:47 |
| Riddell | when is 4.9.4 released so it can be moved out of ninjas? | 13:47 |
| yofel | 4.9.4 release is supposed to be today: a) wait b) remove langpack c) ask for more size | 13:47 |
| yofel | ? | 13:47 |
| Riddell | d) move out of ninjas toot sweet | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | you can copy the langpacks to staging meanwhile | 13:48 |
| Riddell | if it's due for release today that's entirely fair | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | if you want to wait | 13:48 |
| Riddell | nah, way to much bother to copy them twice | 13:49 |
| Riddell | they should be moved to updates/backports | 13:49 |
| Riddell | yofel: what's needed to get them moved? I'm at your disposal since I can't do 4.9.90 currently | 13:50 |
| yofel | I think someone tested quantal, so we're good to move it. For precise I would need a test first. | 13:50 |
| Riddell | yes soee tested it | 13:51 |
| yofel | if we do want to move them without waiting for an announcement | 13:51 |
| Riddell | I'll test quantal locally and precise on an ec2 | 13:51 |
| soee | yes tested yesterday, no problems during and after upgrade | 13:51 |
| yofel | Riddell: then I could copy quantal right now and wipe it from ninjas | 13:52 |
| simplew | seams im not being taken seriously... | 13:53 |
| yofel | simplew: we have more pressing issues right now... | 13:53 |
| simplew | yofel: i consider this problem a very serious one, having settings reverted to default, that should never happen | 13:54 |
| Riddell | simplew: sorry we're just busy on several things this week | 13:55 |
| simplew | well, this is my POV, but i think in a generall view its a very important issue | 13:55 |
| Riddell | yofel: go for it | 13:55 |
| yofel | ack | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | simplew: there are no reports about this on launchpad so I suppose it is caused by something in your specific setup | 13:55 |
| simplew | apachelogger: not quite, i have created new users and this continues to happen | 13:56 |
| apachelogger | ok | 13:57 |
| simplew | apachelogger: and only these 2 settings are the ones that are reverted to defaults, the remaining ones continue following user sets | 13:57 |
| simplew | apachelogger: so far i didnt set /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals to use the fonts i want to see whats causing this, but i cant discover it | 13:58 |
| Darkwing | aaaaaaaaand another email change for the Darkwing | 13:59 |
| simplew | Riddell: why default fonts in kdelibs were changed to 'Dejavu Sans' and in kubuntu-default-settings continues with Ubuntu? | 14:02 |
| Riddell | simplew: I think the patch in kdelibs comes from debian, the kubuntu-default-settings value is a decision of kubuntu | 14:03 |
| apachelogger | qt&kdelibs are patched by debian to use dejavu | 14:04 |
| yofel | Riddell: done, try again | 14:04 |
| simplew | but if in kubuntu is to use different fonts, are that patch continues in ubuntu? | 14:04 |
| simplew | but if in kubuntu is to use different fonts, why that patch continues in ubuntu? | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | because we want dejavu when kds is not installed | 14:06 |
| simplew | apachelogger: kds? | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | the settings package | 14:07 |
| Riddell | actually we should remove that dejavu patch, it might mess with the fontconfig settings which will be more considered | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: should talk with debian why they patch | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | perhaps the fontconfig stuff in earlier Qt4 was misbehaving | 14:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: debian's fontconfig settings are different from ubuntu so I think there are separate issues | 14:19 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, the point is that the default font should be set via fontconfig and the patches do nothing more than that | 14:20 |
| Riddell | yes | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | (which could of course be achieved by putting a config file into the qt package if necessary | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | ) | 14:20 |
| rbelem | danimo_: ping | 14:49 |
| rbelem | danimo_: we have sent more patches | 14:50 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: cool, can't look into them, but if they are on the server side, coolo is the better person to ask anyway | 14:51 |
| rbelem | danimo_: that make icecc work with android | 14:51 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: (I'm on a code camp atm) | 14:51 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: cool! | 14:51 |
| rbelem | danimo_: oki :-) | 14:51 |
| rbelem | danimo_: which channel can i find him? | 14:51 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: usually he just idles on IRC | 14:52 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: he'll react on github notifications though | 14:52 |
| rbelem | danimo_: oki :-) i will wait for him | 14:53 |
| rbelem | thx danimo_ | 14:53 |
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| Riddell | yofel: precise removes a bunch of packages on dist-upgrade to ninjas http://paste.kde.org/619580/ | 15:15 |
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| Quintasan | \o | 15:16 |
| yofel | Riddell: you do have backports enabled as well? | 15:16 |
| Riddell | yofel: no, should I? | 15:16 |
| Riddell | kubuntu backports? | 15:16 |
| Riddell | The following packages will be REMOVED: libkdegames5a libkggzgames4 | 15:17 |
| yofel | yes, kubuntu backports, ninjas has only the parts that are needed to build the 4.9.4 pieces. You'll need a bit more to get the deps worked out | 15:17 |
| Riddell | ah yes, that's better | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | how interesting | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | agateau: do you know about : https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/telepathy-indicator/trunk | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | agateau: can we potentially use that for KDE Telepathy? | 15:43 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: that's not new? there's always been a telepathy indicator plugin | 15:43 |
| Riddell | it works but uses a bunch of gtk stuff | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 15:43 |
| Riddell | apt-get install telepathy-indicator | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | right, but does it work with ktp? | 15:44 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 15:46 |
| Riddelll | yofel: 4.9.4 working well on precise | 15:46 |
| Riddell | vnc ec2-54-234-27-194.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901 should you wish to check | 15:47 |
| agateau | shadeslayer: never heard of this | 15:48 |
| * agateau clicks | 15:48 | |
| agateau | oh, it's not specific to ktp | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 15:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it does, it works with the telepathy daemon | 15:49 |
| Riddell | you need to restart it after install | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 15:49 |
| * shadeslayer tries | 15:49 | |
| * agateau never knows how to start telepathy stuff :) | 15:50 | |
| shadeslayer | tp is fairly decoupled :P | 15:50 |
| agateau | indeed | 15:50 |
| shadeslayer | lemme logout | 15:50 |
| Riddell | you might need to restart something else I'm not sure, I know it didn't work for me when I installed it then it magically worked when I wasn't expecting it later | 15:51 |
| agateau | it's probably a standalone binary which you can run by end | 15:52 |
| agateau | s/end/hand/ | 15:52 |
| kubotu | agateau meant: "it's probably a standalone binary which you can run by hand" | 15:52 |
| shadeslayer | uhh can't get it to work for some reason | 15:55 |
| yofel | Riddell: thanks | 15:58 |
| danimo_ | why is inotify.h under /usr/include/<arch>/sys/, instead of /usr/include/sys in 12.04? | 16:07 |
| danimo_ | or am I missing an additional package? | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | do header includes get multi arched? | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | I'm not sure | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | for eg : http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/kdelibs5-dev/filelist | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | oh hmm | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | danimo_: on raring : /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/inotify.h | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | this is thoroughly confusing | 16:09 |
| danimo_ | shadeslayer: yes, but cmake will not look in the arch directory | 16:09 |
| danimo_ | given it's an implementation detail of debians arch abstraction, apps shouldn't even have to know | 16:10 |
| yofel | cmake *should* check there - unless someone goes and overrides the include search patch. I could be wrong though... | 16:19 |
| yofel | I know that we have a patch for gwenview for exactly that reason | 16:21 |
| danimo_ | yofel: find_path(INOTIFY_INCLUDE_DIR sys/inotify.h) fails | 16:21 |
| danimo_ | yofel: url? | 16:21 |
| danimo_ | yofel: it's the reason why the owncloud client never uses inotify on debian/ubuntu/kubuntu | 16:22 |
| shadeslayer | danimo_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/gwenview/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_cmake_jpeg_multiarch_path.diff | 16:23 |
| yofel | fun | 16:23 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: thanks (my network connection is crappy right now :( ) | 16:23 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: np :) | 16:24 |
| shadeslayer | also, hah! how the tables have turned :P | 16:24 |
| yofel | :P | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/revision/53 | 16:33 |
| shadeslayer | dafuq? | 16:33 |
| shadeslayer | "53. By Jonathan Riddell 3 hours ago : asdjaaoijs" | 16:33 |
| shadeslayer | not to mention things like : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/files/head:/debian/libanalitzagui4/ | 16:34 |
| shadeslayer | brrrr | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | Could not find executable /build/buildd/ark-4.9.90/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/clirarplugin/tests/clirartest.shell | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | is that because we have disabled tests in kde4libs? | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | wohooo | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer | "PPA exceeded its size limit (11527.00 of 10240.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space." | 16:40 |
| yofel | we already wiped stuff, now wait for the janitor | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 16:41 |
| yofel | oh, beta2 announcement is out | 16:43 |
| yofel | and 4.9.4 got its release page | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 16:45 |
| yofel | yofel: re gwenview patch: fix that in FindJPEG rather | 16:50 |
| yofel | meh, I can't highlight myself | 16:51 |
| yofel__ | yofel: ^ | 16:51 |
| yofel | better | 16:51 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: could you tell my head wasn't fully functioning this morning? :) | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 16:52 |
| shadeslayer | silly yofel talking to himself :D | 16:52 |
| shadeslayer | and I thought I was the silly one when I talked to myself to test telepathy | 16:53 |
| yofel | :P | 16:53 |
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| shadeslayer | anyone running precise and want to test some FF packages with KDE integration? | 17:09 |
| Riddell | oh I just shut off that ec2 machine :( | 17:09 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: see my blog: http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2012/12/04/on-knitting-google-codein-and-a-nice-surprise-delivered-to-my-doorstep/ | 17:24 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: now you're famous http://planet.ubuntu.com/ :) | 17:24 |
| Mamarok | good! | 17:25 |
| Mamarok | blame markey for the blurry pic | 17:25 |
| Riddell | he just doesn't want anyone to see your good looks in that shirt | 17:25 |
| Mamarok | lol | 17:26 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Any progress on business cards? | 17:32 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: oh, also, did you take a look at maliit? | 17:32 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: no sorry been too busy for either | 17:38 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: That's okay, I just wanted to know if there was any progress, I'm particulary interested in business cards :P | 17:39 |
| Darkwing | someone made business card templates? | 17:39 |
| Quintasan | Darkwing: Not really, that's what we are looking for I believe | 17:39 |
| Darkwing | ahhhhhh | 17:39 |
| * Darkwing ponders | 17:39 | |
| Riddell | it's not difficult to make an SVG with logo+contact details on it | 17:40 |
| Quintasan | I think we agreed on name, surname, phone, email and gpg fingerprint on it. | 17:40 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: I don't think it is if you KNOW how to do it | 17:40 |
| * Quintasan for example has virtually no iea | 17:40 | |
| Quintasan | idea* | 17:41 |
| Darkwing | I found that placing a scannable QR on the back was good. I did that for loco cards I made a while back. | 17:41 |
| Quintasan | Hmm, that's a good idea :D | 17:41 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: apt-get install inkscape is the first step :) | 17:41 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: That sort of implies I have the thing called design sense :P | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer | you could do a call for designs on G+ | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer | the guy who started the G+ page has awesome design skillz | 17:50 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: What was that python package which you showed me at uds? | 18:51 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: No idea. Can you give me a hint? | 21:43 |
| ScottK | yofel: You saw 4.9.4 is released, right? | 21:43 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: It was that one with some multiarch dirty hack | 21:44 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: pykde4 | 21:44 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Thanks | 21:44 |
| robtygart | I have a quick question about rc.local http://paste.kde.org/619796/ Do I need to change the 0 to a 1? | 21:48 |
| robtygart | Ok never mind I think I figured it out. | 21:51 |
| robtygart | Would it be possible to add something to disable DPMS in the next build. PLEASE! | 21:54 |
| yofel | ScottK: we published it to get it out of the way, but there's no announcement yet | 21:58 |
| yofel | only the website update | 21:58 |
| ScottK | yofel: There's a KDE announcement. | 21:58 |
| yofel | not on http://www.kde.org/announcements/... | 21:58 |
| yofel | and I only got the 4.9.90 announcement mail today | 21:59 |
| ScottK | It was a bit before that. | 21:59 |
| yofel | I saw the mail to the release-team, but nothing to kde-announce | 22:01 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 22:01 |
| ScottK | It turns out that's all I saw too. | 22:01 |
| yofel | that's why I didn't put anything on the website yet | 22:01 |
| ScottK | They've published it, so we should go ahead and announce, etc. | 22:01 |
| ScottK | Go for it. | 22:01 |
| yofel | hm... I'm kinda conservative on this after sebas once asked me to not announce things ahead of time... | 22:02 |
| ScottK | They've published the release, so I think it's on them now. | 22:03 |
| yofel | I'll make the website announcement in a bit, I'll poke you to push the publish button then ;P | 22:03 |
| ScottK | OK. | 22:22 |
| ScottK | robtygart: Why? | 22:34 |
| ScottK | Also what file is that in? | 22:34 |
| robtygart | ScottK: I am trying to disable "dpms" at startup | 22:35 |
| ScottK | Right, but why are you trying to do that? | 22:35 |
| robtygart | But I only can from terminal using "xset -dpms" after restart its back to defult | 22:36 |
| robtygart | the file is /ect/rc.local | 22:37 |
| ScottK | Oh, so you added it? | 22:37 |
| ScottK | Or rather added the dpms call. | 22:38 |
| robtygart | yes I added that. | 22:41 |
| robtygart | Thank you Scott. | 22:41 |
| robtygart | I think I figured it out. | 22:41 |
| ScottK | OK. | 22:41 |
| ScottK | I suspect you can change things in /etc/kbd/config or add your own script in /etc/X11/Xsessions.d. | 22:42 |
| robtygart | So that should keep DPMS of | 22:42 |
| robtygart | off*? | 22:43 |
| robtygart | Thanks again Scott! I need to restart. Bye | 22:45 |
| Riddell | I wonder if ninjas is accepting uploads yet | 23:01 |
| ScottK | Was it not before? | 23:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did we ask to have cron turned off for our images? | 23:04 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I didn't no | 23:04 |
| ScottK | Shall I? | 23:05 |
| Riddell | please do | 23:05 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:05 |
| yofel | ninjas has space again | 23:05 |
| ScottK | Done. | 23:05 |
| simplew | whats the kde equivalent to wireshark ? | 23:38 |
| Riddell | simplew: try asking in #kubuntu or #kde | 23:56 |
| simplew | Riddell: thats why the answer didnt got answered, i thoutght i was in ##linux | 23:57 |
| ScottK | In any case, it's wireshark or tcpdump. | 23:58 |
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