[00:10] <ScottK> ronnoc: Someone ought to explain to them that there's KDE/Plasma in the Ubuntu repositories.  No need to offer opensuse just for that.
[00:11] <ronnoc> ScottK: I caught that
[00:11] <ScottK> ronnoc: Here's your chance to be a Kubuntu evangelist.
[00:13] <ronnoc> Yea. I'll start by blogging about it and commenting on the article and go from there. At that pricepoint, and with the percieved 'safety-net' of Android, this thing could be huge. 
[00:20] <ScottK> Deleting 22K messages from Akonadi/Kmail takes a LONG time.
[00:24] <micahg> that's something it shares with Thunderbird :)
[00:26] <persia> Do they regenerate the index on each delete?
[01:23] <ScottK> Not sure, but it's progressed about 2.5K since I mentioned it.
[01:23] <ScottK> I suspect the problem is the display is trying to refresh after each delete as the process that's CPU bound is Kontact/Kmail, not something akonadi.
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[04:01] <ronnoc_> BTW ScottK - I'm already a kubuntu evangelist :)
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[06:00] <Tm_T> mhb ... who knows where he is?
[06:01] <Tm_T> this one https://launchpad.net/~martin.bohm
[06:01] <Tm_T> ...is expiring on kubuntu-members
[06:04] <ScottK> He's not been involved in some time.
[06:04] <ScottK> It's unfortunate, but I'm not surprised.
[06:05] <Tm_T> allright so no worries
[09:21] <Mamarok> Riddell: the Polo just arrived, yay!
[09:21] <Mamarok> thank you very much :)
[09:29] <afiestas> Riddell: ktuberling thingy done
[09:42] <Riddell> Mamarok: remember the payment, you need to post a picture of you or someone equally good looking wearing it on planets ubuntu/kde :)
[09:42] <Mamarok> will certainly do in a few minutes :)
[09:42] <Mamarok> I will ping you when it is up
[09:45] <Riddell> "Qt 4.8.4 has just been released" says my e-mail
[10:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: nice
[10:02] <Tm_T> "Stable release4.8.4[2] / 29 November 2012; 5 days ago" says Wikipedia, ye
[10:02] <Tm_T> source being http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/11/29/qt-4-8-4-released/
[10:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: mm, qt announce list being a bit slow indeed
[10:40] <Riddell> bah kdepimlibs needing some change
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[11:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: art thou working on pimlibs?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> it needs libxslt1-dev from what I can tell
[11:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah I am
[11:22] <shadeslayer> ah cool
[11:22] <Riddell> just got my chroot set up
[11:22] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[11:24] <shadeslayer> lunchpad i386 builders have insanely long build queues
[12:08] <Riddell> loads of symbols removed from kdepimlibs 4.9.90 compared to 4.9.80
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:23] <Riddell> lots more 4.9.90 to be done http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html
[13:24] <Riddell> !ninjas 
[13:24] <ubottu> Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel
[13:24] <apachelogger> busy with phonon stuff
[13:25]  * yofel_ is at work
[13:25] <Riddell> just when you're free :)
[13:25] <Riddell> and not busy on alpha 1 testing or 4.9.4 :)
[13:31] <simplew> sometimes kubuntu changes back to defaults, i use to change fonts to 'Sans 8' and in "kcmshell4 componentchooser" -> Web Browser   i use to change to option 'in an application based on the contents of the URL'.   but kubuntu uses to change back these settings to defaults, how is this possible?
[13:33] <yofel_> someone that's bored could test 4.9.4 for precise. It finished building a while ago
[13:34] <Riddell> yofel_: for precise? very generous of us to do
[13:34] <simplew> Riddell: i have sent you an email about this problem, could you have a look?
[13:34] <yofel_> there seem to be plenty of people still on precise, and it's not a really large update
[13:35] <simplew> yofel_: hey dude :)
[13:35] <Riddell> simplew: sorry not today way too many other things to be done
[13:35] <yofel_> hi simplew
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[13:36] <simplew> no one has an idea why these 2 settings keep getting to kubuntus default for no reason?
[13:37] <apachelogger> yofel, Riddell: IMHO we should try to give more updates to LTS releases anyway ... particularly when they are little effort
[13:37] <simplew> Riddell: the mail was sent 8 days ago...
[13:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's a bit of a luxury when we're slow at packaging for development release and current release
[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: personally I'd take LTS + dev series over latest random stable
[13:39] <apachelogger> but yeah
[13:39] <apachelogger> we'd be faster if people were talking me serious :P
[13:39] <simplew> does anyone have a clue why the mouse theme in lightdm or kdm is 'Oxygen_White' when i changed the mouse theme in systemsettings to another?
[13:39] <apachelogger> language fail
[13:40] <yofel> simplew: the login screen should be using the x-cursor-theme alternative
[13:40] <apachelogger> also #kubuntu for support please
[13:41]  * apachelogger just broke ktuberling again -.-
[13:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: the audience who wants an LTS is unlikely to want the latest KDE from a PPA I feel
[13:42] <simplew> apachelogger: but these questions are also realted with development, so that they can be fixed
[13:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: dunno, particularly kde contributors tend to install LTS for their dear ones but put the latest PPA SC on it
[13:43] <apachelogger> so it's less far off from the latest and greatest
[13:43] <simplew> i see that in startupconfigfiles and startupconfigkeys  theres no set for fonts, maybe thats why fonts continue being changed to kubuntu defaults?
[13:43] <apachelogger> (I am not saying we should backport every SC inbetween LTS relases btw)
[13:44] <Riddell> "PPA exceeded its size limit"
[13:44] <Riddell> rollocks, ninjas is full
[13:44] <yofel> hehe
[13:44] <apachelogger> do they still not run janitor?
[13:44] <yofel> it's running
[13:45] <yofel> but it seems like 4.9.90 + 2X4.9.4 was too large
[13:46] <Riddell> especially with language packs for quantal and precise!
[13:46] <apachelogger> we have language packs in ninja?
[13:46] <apachelogger> guess those do not need to go there
[13:46] <yofel> I didn't think they would be that large
[13:47] <Riddell> yofel's generosity is too large :)
[13:47] <yofel> true ^^
[13:47] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:47] <Riddell> when is 4.9.4 released so it can be moved out of ninjas?
[13:47] <yofel> 4.9.4 release is supposed to be today: a) wait b) remove langpack c) ask for more size
[13:47] <yofel> ?
[13:48] <Riddell> d) move out of ninjas toot sweet
[13:48] <apachelogger> well
[13:48] <apachelogger> you can copy the langpacks to staging meanwhile
[13:48] <Riddell> if it's due for release today that's entirely fair
[13:48] <apachelogger> if you want to wait
[13:49] <Riddell> nah, way to much bother to copy them twice
[13:49] <Riddell> they should be moved to updates/backports
[13:50] <Riddell> yofel: what's needed to get them moved? I'm at your disposal since I can't do 4.9.90 currently
[13:50] <yofel> I think someone tested quantal, so we're good to move it. For precise I would need a test first.
[13:51] <Riddell> yes soee tested it
[13:51] <yofel> if we do want to move them without waiting for an announcement
[13:51] <Riddell> I'll test quantal locally and precise on an ec2
[13:51] <soee> yes tested yesterday, no problems during and after upgrade
[13:52] <yofel> Riddell: then I could copy quantal right now and wipe it from ninjas
[13:53] <simplew> seams im not being taken seriously...
[13:53] <yofel> simplew: we have more pressing issues right now...
[13:54] <simplew> yofel: i consider this problem a very serious one, having settings reverted to default, that should never happen
[13:55] <Riddell> simplew: sorry we're just busy on several things this week
[13:55] <simplew> well, this is my POV, but i think in a generall view its a very important issue
[13:55] <Riddell> yofel: go for it
[13:55] <yofel> ack
[13:55] <apachelogger> simplew: there are no reports about this on launchpad so I suppose it is caused by something in your specific setup
[13:56] <simplew> apachelogger: not quite, i have created new users and this continues to happen
[13:57] <apachelogger> ok
[13:57] <simplew> apachelogger: and only these 2 settings are the ones that are reverted to defaults, the remaining ones continue following user sets
[13:58] <simplew> apachelogger: so far i didnt set /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals to use the fonts i want to see whats causing this, but i cant discover it
[13:59] <Darkwing> aaaaaaaaand another email change for the Darkwing
[14:02] <simplew> Riddell: why default fonts in kdelibs were changed to 'Dejavu Sans' and in kubuntu-default-settings continues with Ubuntu?
[14:03] <Riddell> simplew: I think the patch in kdelibs comes from debian, the kubuntu-default-settings value is a decision of kubuntu
[14:04] <apachelogger> qt&kdelibs are patched by debian to use dejavu
[14:04] <yofel> Riddell: done, try again
[14:04] <simplew> but if in kubuntu is to use different fonts, are that patch continues in ubuntu?
[14:04] <simplew> but if in kubuntu is to use different fonts, why that patch continues in ubuntu?
[14:06] <apachelogger> because we want dejavu when kds is not installed
[14:07] <simplew> apachelogger: kds?
[14:07] <apachelogger> the settings package
[14:12] <Riddell> actually we should remove that dejavu patch, it might mess with the fontconfig settings which will be more considered
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: should talk with debian why they patch
[14:16] <apachelogger> perhaps the fontconfig stuff in earlier Qt4 was misbehaving
[14:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: debian's fontconfig settings are different from ubuntu so I think there are separate issues
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the point is that the default font should be set via fontconfig and the patches do nothing more than that
[14:20] <Riddell> yes
[14:20] <apachelogger> (which could of course be achieved by putting a config file into the qt package if necessary
[14:20] <apachelogger> )
[14:49] <rbelem> danimo_: ping
[14:50] <rbelem> danimo_: we have sent more patches
[14:51] <danimo_> rbelem: cool, can't look into them, but if they are on the server side, coolo is the better person to ask anyway
[14:51] <rbelem> danimo_: that make icecc work with android
[14:51] <danimo_> rbelem: (I'm on a code camp atm)
[14:51] <danimo_> rbelem: cool!
[14:51] <rbelem> danimo_: oki :-)
[14:51] <rbelem> danimo_: which channel can i find him?
[14:52] <danimo_> rbelem: usually he just idles on IRC
[14:52] <danimo_> rbelem: he'll react on github notifications though
[14:53] <rbelem> danimo_: oki :-) i will wait for him
[14:53] <rbelem> thx danimo_ 
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[15:15] <Riddell> yofel: precise removes a bunch of packages on dist-upgrade to ninjas http://paste.kde.org/619580/
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[15:16] <Quintasan> \o
[15:16] <yofel> Riddell: you do have backports enabled as well?
[15:16] <Riddell> yofel: no, should I?
[15:16] <Riddell> kubuntu backports?
[15:17] <Riddell> The following packages will be REMOVED: libkdegames5a libkggzgames4
[15:17] <yofel> yes, kubuntu backports, ninjas has only the parts that are needed to build the 4.9.4 pieces. You'll need a bit more to get the deps worked out
[15:17] <Riddell> ah yes, that's better
[15:40] <shadeslayer> how interesting
[15:40] <shadeslayer> agateau: do you know about : https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/telepathy-indicator/trunk
[15:43] <shadeslayer> agateau: can we potentially use that for KDE Telepathy?
[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's not new?  there's always been a telepathy indicator plugin
[15:43] <Riddell> it works but uses a bunch of gtk stuff
[15:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:43] <Riddell> apt-get install telepathy-indicator
[15:44] <shadeslayer> right, but does it work with ktp?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:46] <Riddelll> yofel: 4.9.4 working well on precise
[15:47] <Riddell> vnc ec2-54-234-27-194.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901 should you wish to check
[15:48] <agateau> shadeslayer: never heard of this
[15:48]  * agateau clicks
[15:49] <agateau> oh, it's not specific to ktp
[15:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it does, it works with the telepathy daemon
[15:49] <Riddell> you need to restart it after install
[15:49] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[15:49]  * shadeslayer tries
[15:50]  * agateau never knows how to start telepathy stuff :)
[15:50] <shadeslayer> tp is fairly decoupled :P
[15:50] <agateau> indeed
[15:50] <shadeslayer> lemme logout
[15:51] <Riddell> you might need to restart something else I'm not sure, I know it didn't work for me when I installed it then it magically worked when I wasn't expecting it later
[15:52] <agateau> it's probably a standalone binary which you can run by end
[15:52] <agateau> s/end/hand/
[15:52] <kubotu> agateau meant: "it's probably a standalone binary which you can run by hand"
[15:55] <shadeslayer> uhh can't get it to work for some reason
[15:58] <yofel> Riddell: thanks
[16:07] <danimo_> why is inotify.h under /usr/include/<arch>/sys/, instead of /usr/include/sys in 12.04?
[16:07] <danimo_> or am I missing an additional package?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> do header includes get multi arched?
[16:07] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure
[16:08] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:08] <shadeslayer> for eg : http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/kdelibs5-dev/filelist
[16:09] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[16:09] <shadeslayer> danimo_: on raring : /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/inotify.h
[16:09] <shadeslayer> this is thoroughly confusing
[16:09] <danimo_> shadeslayer: yes, but cmake will not look in the arch directory
[16:10] <danimo_> given it's an implementation detail of debians arch abstraction, apps shouldn't even have to know
[16:19] <yofel> cmake *should* check there - unless someone goes and overrides the include search patch. I could be wrong though...
[16:21] <yofel> I know that we have a patch for gwenview for exactly that reason
[16:21] <danimo_> yofel: find_path(INOTIFY_INCLUDE_DIR sys/inotify.h) fails
[16:21] <danimo_> yofel: url?
[16:22] <danimo_> yofel: it's the reason why the owncloud client never uses inotify on debian/ubuntu/kubuntu
[16:23] <shadeslayer> danimo_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/gwenview/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_cmake_jpeg_multiarch_path.diff
[16:23] <yofel> fun
[16:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: thanks (my network connection is crappy right now :( )
[16:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: np :)
[16:24] <shadeslayer> also, hah! how the tables have turned :P
[16:25] <yofel> :P
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/revision/53
[16:33] <shadeslayer> dafuq?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> "53. By Jonathan Riddell 3 hours ago : asdjaaoijs"
[16:34] <shadeslayer> not to mention things like : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/files/head:/debian/libanalitzagui4/
[16:38] <shadeslayer> brrrr
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Could not find executable /build/buildd/ark-4.9.90/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/clirarplugin/tests/clirartest.shell
[16:39] <shadeslayer> is that because we have disabled tests in kde4libs?
[16:40] <shadeslayer> wohooo
[16:40] <shadeslayer> "PPA exceeded its size limit (11527.00 of 10240.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space."
[16:41] <yofel> we already wiped stuff, now wait for the janitor
[16:41] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:43] <yofel> oh, beta2 announcement is out
[16:44] <yofel> and 4.9.4 got its release page
[16:45] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[16:50] <yofel> yofel: re gwenview patch: fix that in FindJPEG rather
[16:51] <yofel> meh, I can't highlight myself
[16:51] <yofel__> yofel: ^
[16:51] <yofel> better
[16:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: could you tell my head wasn't fully functioning this morning? :)
[16:52] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:52] <shadeslayer> silly yofel talking to himself :D
[16:53] <shadeslayer> and I thought I was the silly one when I talked to myself to test telepathy
[16:53] <yofel> :P
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[17:09] <shadeslayer> anyone running precise and want to test some FF packages with KDE integration?
[17:09] <Riddell> oh I just shut off that ec2 machine :(
[17:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: see my blog: http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2012/12/04/on-knitting-google-codein-and-a-nice-surprise-delivered-to-my-doorstep/
[17:24] <Riddell> Mamarok: now you're famous http://planet.ubuntu.com/ :)
[17:25] <Mamarok> good!
[17:25] <Mamarok> blame markey for the blurry pic
[17:25] <Riddell> he just doesn't want anyone to see your good looks in that shirt
[17:26] <Mamarok> lol
[17:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: Any progress on business cards?
[17:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh, also, did you take a look at maliit?
[17:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: no sorry been too busy for either
[17:39] <Quintasan> Riddell: That's okay, I just wanted to know if there was any progress, I'm particulary interested in business cards :P
[17:39] <Darkwing> someone made business card templates?
[17:39] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Not really, that's what we are looking for I believe
[17:39] <Darkwing> ahhhhhh
[17:39]  * Darkwing ponders
[17:40] <Riddell> it's not difficult to make an SVG with logo+contact details on it
[17:40] <Quintasan> I think we agreed on name, surname, phone, email and gpg fingerprint on it.
[17:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't think it is if you KNOW how to do it
[17:40]  * Quintasan for example has virtually no iea
[17:41] <Quintasan> idea*
[17:41] <Darkwing> I found that placing a scannable QR on the back was good. I did that for loco cards I made a while back.
[17:41] <Quintasan> Hmm, that's a good idea :D
[17:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: apt-get install inkscape is the first step :)
[17:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: That sort of implies I have the thing called design sense :P
[17:49] <shadeslayer> you could do a call for designs on G+
[17:50] <shadeslayer> the guy who started the G+ page has awesome design skillz
[18:51] <Quintasan> ScottK: What was that python package which you showed me at uds?
[21:43] <ScottK> Quintasan: No idea.  Can you give me a hint?
[21:43] <ScottK> yofel: You saw 4.9.4 is released, right?
[21:44] <Quintasan> ScottK: It was that one with some multiarch dirty hack
[21:44] <ScottK> Quintasan: pykde4
[21:44] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks
[21:48] <robtygart> I have a quick question about rc.local http://paste.kde.org/619796/ Do I need to change the 0 to a 1?
[21:51] <robtygart> Ok never mind I think I figured it out. 
[21:54] <robtygart> Would it be possible to add something to disable DPMS in the next build. PLEASE! 
[21:58] <yofel> ScottK: we published it to get it out of the way, but there's no announcement yet
[21:58] <yofel> only the website update
[21:58] <ScottK> yofel: There's a KDE announcement.
[21:58] <yofel> not on http://www.kde.org/announcements/...
[21:59] <yofel> and I only got the 4.9.90 announcement mail today
[21:59] <ScottK> It was a bit before that.
[22:01] <yofel> I saw the mail to the release-team, but nothing to kde-announce
[22:01] <ScottK> Yeah.
[22:01] <ScottK> It turns out that's all I saw too.
[22:01] <yofel> that's why I didn't put anything on the website yet
[22:01] <ScottK> They've published it, so we should go ahead and announce, etc.
[22:01] <ScottK> Go for it.
[22:02] <yofel> hm... I'm kinda conservative on this after sebas once asked me to not announce things ahead of time...
[22:03] <ScottK> They've published the release, so I think it's on them now.
[22:03] <yofel> I'll make the website announcement in a bit, I'll poke you to push the publish button then ;P
[22:22] <ScottK> OK.
[22:34] <ScottK> robtygart: Why?
[22:34] <ScottK> Also what file is that in?
[22:35] <robtygart> ScottK: I am trying to disable "dpms" at startup
[22:35] <ScottK> Right, but why are you trying to do that?
[22:36] <robtygart> But I only can from terminal using "xset -dpms" after restart its back to defult
[22:37] <robtygart> the file is /ect/rc.local
[22:37] <ScottK> Oh, so you added it?
[22:38] <ScottK> Or rather added the dpms call.
[22:41] <robtygart> yes I added that.
[22:41] <robtygart> Thank you Scott. 
[22:41] <robtygart> I think I figured it out.
[22:41] <ScottK> OK.
[22:42] <ScottK> I suspect you can change things in /etc/kbd/config or add your own script in /etc/X11/Xsessions.d.
[22:42] <robtygart> So that should keep DPMS of
[22:43] <robtygart> off*?
[22:45] <robtygart> Thanks again Scott! I need to restart. Bye 
[23:01] <Riddell> I wonder if ninjas is accepting uploads yet
[23:04] <ScottK> Was it not before?
[23:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Did we ask to have cron turned off for our images?
[23:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I didn't no
[23:05] <ScottK> Shall I?
[23:05] <Riddell> please do
[23:05] <ScottK> OK.
[23:05] <yofel> ninjas has space again
[23:05] <ScottK> Done.
[23:38] <simplew> whats the kde equivalent to wireshark ?
[23:56] <Riddell> simplew: try asking in #kubuntu or #kde
[23:57] <simplew> Riddell: thats why the answer didnt got answered, i thoutght i was in ##linux
[23:58] <ScottK> In any case, it's wireshark or tcpdump.