[01:58] <Chaos7Theory> Heyo
[03:23] <Chaos7Theory> I'm wondering something about Muon
[03:25] <Chaos7Theory> Since this is my first time using Kubuntu, what's the 'Full Upgrade' option for and what does it exactly mean in that case by 'Upgrade'?
[03:28] <tsimpson> Chaos7Theory: it means it will allow the upgrade of packages that require new packages to be installed, rather than only ones that don't require any new packages
[03:28] <tsimpson> it's not going to do a release upgrade (to the "next" version of Kubuntu)
[03:29] <Chaos7Theory> Is it not on by default since it adds a lot data?
[03:29] <Chaos7Theory> Since a large amount of packages are labeled 'Upgradeable'
[03:29] <tsimpson> no, it just gives you the option to not have new packages installed
[03:30] <tsimpson> sometimes it may be many packages, sometime none, and sometimes somewhere in-between
[03:31] <Chaos7Theory> I'm also confused since there doesn't seem to be an option for default IME anymore
[05:39] <lor_> hello
[05:39] <lor_> anybody here?
[05:42] <lor_> hello~?
[09:23] <Fuzzles272> is this the kubuntu channel?
[09:24] <InspectorCluseau> read the topic?
[10:36] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[10:37] <contrast> I just did a fresh install of 12.10 and I can't connect to the Internet (using a wired connection). Oddly enough, I can connect to the network and pull up my router's web interface page just fine. Any ideas?
[10:39] <avihay> contrast: try ping 173.194.70.101 or going to http://173.194.70.101/
[10:41] <contrast> avihay: That seems to work, it took me to Google...
[10:41] <avihay> yes, that's one of google's  servers
[10:41] <avihay> !dns
[10:42] <avihay> uhh, anyway, you are connected too the internet, you just have some DNS issue
[10:42] <avihay> too->to
[10:44] <avihay> oh, and I don't know how to fix that, or what further info to ask from you, so if anyone knows, feel free to chip in
[10:44] <contrast> avihay: Hmm, alright... At least now I can use Google on the problem machine. :D Thanks!
[10:44] <avihay> well, it will give you results, but you'll still need DNS to access the sites
[10:45] <contrast> Ahh, of course.
[10:46] <avihay> atleast you have a better definition of the problem and now google can help
[10:49] <contrast> Indeed. Thanks again.
[11:06] <liqiao> :-/
[11:07] <liqiao> have human?
[11:12] <blueapple> have human?
[11:13] <blueapple> ....
[11:14] <blueapple> hle
[11:14] <blueapple> hello
[11:15] <blueapple> :-/
[11:57] <etienne__> how do I make my avatar appear in lightdm ?
[11:58] <etienne__> i changed it in systems settings but it didn't change in lightdm
[13:03] <joules> hi, what are the deb-src for 4.9.3?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:16] <joules> ah man
[13:16] <joules> how do I get the public key for quantal-updates
[13:18] <BluesKaj> public key ? ..quantal is not in the ppas , it's in the official repos , or at kubuntu.org
[13:22] <joules> BluesKaj: keyserver.ubuntu.com just times out..could be my firewall.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> why a public key for quantal updates , must be a ppa or ppas , right ?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> joules,^
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> hello, I'm experiencing problems with the digital clock widget on Kubuntu 12.04. eighter if it's in a pannel or directly on the desktop, the right part of the calendar (shown when I click on the clock) is squeseed and the test does not display properly.
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> If I open the calendar widget, the right part (the list of the events) is displayed properly
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> how can I fix this in the Digital clock widget?
[14:26] <tsimpson> if you move the cursor over the top left or top right corners of the widget, you should be able to click and drag to resize it
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: it resises just the clock, not the calendar
[14:28] <tsimpson> I mean once you click on the clock to show the calendar, you should be able to resize that pop-up part
[14:28] <Guest49904> opa
[14:29] <Guest49904> Hello
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: ow.... found it... thanks
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> there should be some visual aid to be more explicit as how to do that
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> like those 3 dots that are in the bottom right of every window in KDE
[14:55] <uglyoldbob> i have a strange problem. when the screen goes black, pressing a key causes it to immediately come back, but moving the mouse  takes 5-10 seconds. what could cause this?
[15:47] <JuJuBee> How do I remove the default installed games with 12.10?
[15:49] <thelionroars> search for them in muon package manager and select to remove them
[15:50] <thelionroars> or, use a terminal
[15:50] <JuJuBee> no simple way to remove all in terminal?
[15:50] <thelionroars> sudo apt-cache search name
[15:50] <thelionroars> when you find the package you want to remove:
[15:50] <thelionroars> sudo apt-get remove package
[15:50] <thelionroars> I think you will have to remove each game individually
[15:52] <JuJuBee> OK, thanks
[16:01] <jalcine_> uglyoldbob: That might be a X issue
[17:49] <u19809> hi all ... had to reinstall my laptop. INstalled with 12.10 but now teamviewer7 does not want to start anymore ;( Wine says it couldn't start it but does not give a reason
[17:49] <u19809> Ideas >
[17:49] <u19809> Ideas ?
[17:51] <frankko> how do i take a photo with a webcam?
[17:52] <frankko> u19809: verbose >txtfile and post to a pastebin. Wine is not a main concerin outside the #winehq channel
[17:52] <u19809> ok
[17:53] <DarthFrog> frankko: You can use "kamoso" to take pix with your web cam.
[17:53] <frankko> DarthFrog: Thankyou. i wil try that. I am a CLI user so i do know very little about any gui apps.
[17:54] <DarthFrog> frankko: You shouldn't have any problems.
[17:56] <frankko> what is the fast command of staring a kde window
[17:56] <frankko> seriously i am a CLI guy
[17:57] <frankko> meta+p?
[17:57] <frankko> did that earlier and it printed..
[17:57] <DarthFrog> frankko: If you install yakuake (Yet Another Quake), you can have a console by pressing F12.  Or just press Alt-F2 right now.
[17:58] <frankko> DarthFrog: done
[17:58] <DarthFrog> I love yakuake.  I use it all the time.
[17:58] <frankko> is the file really saved in ~or is it a /temp situation?
[17:59] <frankko> guis confuse me
[17:59] <DarthFrog> Press Alt-F2 for a mini-CLI (AKA krunner).  Either type your command into that window or type "konsole" for a console window.
[17:59] <frankko> gpm+dvtm is a gui, to that i agree but simple and good
[18:00] <frankko> DarthFrog: you are one of the good ones
[18:00] <frankko> thankyou
[18:00] <DarthFrog> frankko: Only by accident. :-)  Thanks.
[18:01] <frankko> i think i will return to the cli though as soon as i have this identity theft thing solved
[18:05]  * datruth hates usb 3.0
[18:05] <datruth> if its not one problem its another on this computer
[18:05] <DarthFrog> datruth:  Why?
[18:05] <DarthFrog> then don't use it.
[18:05] <datruth> DarthFrog: i've just spent most of the night building my system after I am done my usb 3.0 controller goes away
[18:05] <datruth> now my driver isn't even detected
[18:06] <datruth> the only way I know of to get it back to re-install everything all over again
[18:06] <DarthFrog> What motherboard do you have?
[18:06] <DarthFrog> Not that I can help you but I'd just like to know what hardware to avoid.
[18:07] <datruth> DarthFrog: asus g74s
[18:07] <DarthFrog> Hmm, I've always used Asus mobos.  They're generally excellent.
[18:08] <DarthFrog> My current mobo is an Asus M4A with USB 3.0.
[18:17] <datruth> forget asus and the hardware
[18:23] <DarthFrog> Oh?
[18:25]  * datruth packs up his stuff to return
[19:18] <Scunizi> I'm trying to get kmail to sync with my gmail account without success.. I've looked at http://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_GMail which has not helped.  Any suggestions?
[20:28] <Cymew> Anyone good with beamers? I have a beamer attached to my machine, on HDMI, but how do I get any output on it? Running the nvidia config thing I can get two screens set up, but nothing shows on on the external display. Any hints?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Cymew, beamer ?
[20:34] <Cymew> pjojector, whatever you like to call them. I guess it's the same procedure as for any external display ising HDMI
[20:34] <Cymew> if only I could spell
[20:35] <Cymew> "projector"
[20:35] <BluesKaj> Cymew, ok
[20:35] <Cymew> I used disper to get it show up at all in the gui
[20:35] <Cymew> now it's there, how to I get any output on it???
[20:35] <BluesKaj> yes the procedure is the same for any display
[20:36] <BluesKaj> which graphics card , open a terminal , lspci | grep VGA
[20:36] <reagle> Since I moved to 12.10 I always end up with a missfont.log in  my home directory and my consoles are full of fontconfig errors
[20:36] <reagle> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
[20:36] <reagle> Any ideas how to fix?
[20:37] <Cymew> BluesKaj: I know it's a GeForce 9600M GT
[20:37] <BluesKaj> reagle, it's a bug , look on launchpad
[20:37] <reagle> If I delete .fonts.conf my fonts look screwy, if I set them in KDE's settings, the file is back
[20:38] <Cymew> odd thing is, on the systems settings panel from KDE, no external display shows up, only in the nvidia-settings app and in disper does it show
[20:38] <reagle> BluesKaj: I've looked but didn't see anything 12.10 specific, pointer?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> Cymew, kmenu>systemsettings>system>additional drivers
[20:39] <BluesKaj> reagle, system settings , application appearance
[20:39] <reagle> this gives me nothing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=.fonts.conf+is+deprecated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.
[20:39] <reagle> has_no_package=
[20:40] <BluesKaj> reagle, read above
[20:40] <Cymew> BluesKaj: that path does not exists on my machine
[20:40] <reagle> BluesKaj: yes, I know this is where I configure fonts, and if I do so .fonts.conf comes back with all the warnings.
[20:41] <Cymew> running 10.04.04 and kde 4.4.5
[20:41] <BluesKaj> Cymew, sorry kmenu>applications >system>addtional drivers
[20:42] <Cymew> nope
[20:42] <reagle> searching launchpad for "missfont" doesn't return "bugs related to kubuntu" either
[20:42] <Cymew> I do find the nvidia panel there, though
[20:42] <BluesKaj> reagle, have you added any 3rd party fonts
[20:43] <reagle> yes, MS Core
[20:43] <reagle> ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[20:43] <BluesKaj> Cymew, you're looking in settings , not system
[20:44] <BluesKaj> reagle, that could be your problem then
[20:45] <Cymew> no, it's in both places
[20:45] <reagle> wuh? (anything "could be" the problem) Can you point me to the bug report you mentioned?
[20:45] <Cymew> I've upgraded from release 7 to 10.04.04 so much stuff in the menues looks weird
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Cymew, ok , alt+f2 , type jockey
[20:46] <Cymew> But, typing drivers in the search box and it's nowhere to be found
[20:46] <BluesKaj> even 10.04 is kind of dated , Cymew
[20:47] <Cymew> Yeah, I know
[20:47] <BluesKaj> did you try alt+f2 , jockey
[20:47] <Cymew> I like LTS releases and since I have upgraded so many times my system now is kind of wonky. I'd hate to make it wonkier, but maybe it has to be done...
[20:48] <BluesKaj> 12.04 is the lateest LTS
[20:50] <Cymew> I'm thinking of reinstalling with 12.04 and considering these kind of problems...
[20:50] <Cymew> damn, I did not even have jockey installed. wtf?
[20:51] <Cymew> It claims I have the current and recommended version
[20:52] <Cymew> I wonder when jockey wnet missing, I know I have used it before
[20:52] <Cymew> Maybe I do need to reinstall from scratch
[20:53] <Cymew> Thanks for getting me to reinstall jockey! ;)
[20:53] <BluesKaj> ok run this in the terminal , dpkg -l | grep nvidia , that will show the installed driver , Cymew
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-173-modaliases                      173.14.22-0ubuntu11.2                           Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-96-modaliases                       96.43.17-0ubuntu1.1                             Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-common                              0.2.23                                          Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-current                             195.36.24-0ubuntu1~10.04.3                      NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-current-modaliases                  195.36.24-0ubuntu1~10.04.3                      Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-settings                            195.36.08-0ubuntu2                              Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[20:54] <Cymew>  
[20:54] <FloodBotK1> Cymew: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:55] <Cymew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411116/
[20:56] <Cymew> quite a few drivers there
[20:57] <yofel> nope, only one: nvidia-current, the rest are support packages
[20:58] <Cymew> If you say so, I never understood what all those were
[20:59] <yofel> what does 'xrandr' say about the display configuration?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> yes , I used the wrong command , you'll have to inustall mesa-utils , then run this command ,  glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the look in the list for OpenGL version string:
[20:59] <BluesKaj> Cymew,^
[21:00] <yofel> wasn't the original question about display configuration?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> he has no video output from the hdmi
[21:01] <Cymew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411129/
[21:01] <BluesKaj> trying to find the right driver
[21:01] <Cymew> looks like it's in use, no?
[21:01] <yofel> the driver looks fine, I would be more interested whether the hdmi output is even turned on
[21:02] <Cymew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411130/ this is the output from xrandr, only onme screen there, hmmm.
[21:02] <yofel> ... or recognised
[21:03] <yofel> meh, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please?
[21:06] <Cymew> ouch! It's 2700 lines long...
[21:06] <Cymew> I'm pretty sure my xorc.conf is pretty messed up by now....
[21:06] <Cymew> I don't eevn know how to get that into a paste
[21:08] <Cymew> That nvidia tool had a button for saving the xorg.conf and since I had to restart the server (according to that tool) I used it to save a new one. Seesm like it was a bad idea.
[21:08] <yofel> install pastebinit, then just run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[21:10] <Cymew> http://pastebin.com/emE89qmw
[21:10] <Cymew> interesting tool
[21:13] <yofel> urgh, the EDID information isn't read right so it can't figure out a usable resolution for the beamer. (If I understand the log right)
[21:14]  * yofel wonders what the chances are that a driver update might break more than it fixes...
[21:15]  * Cymew puts on his conservative 10.04.04 hat and guesses breakage ahead
[21:16] <yofel> heh, well, I'm not sure how much the 304.64 driver got testing on 10.04, but there are packages in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates if you want to risk it
[21:16] <Cymew> I gather you have to have 12.04 repos to even get a newer driver, considering jockey claims I have the latest, right?
[21:16] <yofel> 195 -> 304 is a bit of a drastic jump
[21:16] <Cymew> oh, you were quicker than me
[21:16] <Cymew> yeah, it sounds a but much
[21:17] <yofel> nah, the PPA provides updates even for 10.04
[21:17] <Cymew> really? Interesting
[21:17] <yofel> read the ppa description, that has instructions on how to revert the update if necessary
[21:18] <Cymew> You're right it does have updates even for 10.04
[21:19] <Cymew> what the heck is EDID info anyway? Is it something the device serves to the xorg server, and they have to be on the same page about what they can do to each other?
[21:20] <yofel> pretty much: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data
[21:23] <Cymew> If I read that right, it means the driver doesn't know what it needs to know. Hmm. There's no list of what deviced are supported by the driver somewhere, is there? Kind of a bad idea to upgrade and all that and then find it is not a supported device anyway...
[21:25] <yofel> Cymew: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-304.64-driver.html -> supported products
[21:26] <Cymew> Thanks
[21:26] <Cymew> Looks like it'
[21:26] <Cymew> s ok
[21:26] <Cymew> oops
[21:26] <FloodBotK1> Cymew: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:29] <Cymew> So if I upgrade and it is the source of the EDID problem, how am I supposed to get output on the external device? Do I have to run xrandr or disper or something like that, or is it just goinf to show up on the Display tab in system settings after that?
[21:30] <yofel> I can't quite remember how things were on 10.04, I would rather try nvidia-settings. But if it shows up in xrandr, it'll show up in system settings as well (same interface)
[21:31] <Cymew> I thnink I'll take a moment to think if I will do the upgrade or if I should try to start with a fresh xorg.conf and see when the problems appear.
[21:32] <Cymew> I'm pretty sure me clicking around in the nvidia panel screwed some things up
[21:33] <Cymew> Many thanks to yofel and BluesKaj for all the help debugging the issue. I need some sleep on this as well.
[21:33] <yofel> sure, good luck
[21:33] <Cymew> Really appreciated
[21:44] <robtygart> I have a question about rc.local http://paste.kde.org/619796/
[21:44] <robtygart> on the end do I need to change the 0 to a 1 ?
[22:17] <tsimpson> robtygart: 0 means the script was successful, anything else means there was an error. so you don't want to change it
[22:27] <robtygart> tsimpson: Thanks! From what I did, was that the correct way to launch rc.local
[22:27] <robtygart> sudo gedit /ect/rc.local
[22:28] <tsimpson> I wouldn't use sudo with a GUI app
[22:29] <robtygart> how would you launch rc.local?
[22:30] <tsimpson> I'd edit it with kdesudo kate /etc/rc.local, or gksudo gedit /etc/rc.local
[22:30] <akoma1s> robtygart: open a konsole window, then run sudoedit /etc/rc.local
[22:30] <tsimpson> well, only the former as I don't have gedit or gksudo
[22:31] <akoma1s> running gui apps as root is bad, no matter the gui toolkit
[22:32] <robtygart> akoma1s: that just gives me a black edit screen
[22:33] <akoma1s> what does 'ls -ld /etc/rc.local' return?
[22:34] <robtygart> akoma1s: rob@mobile:~$ ls -ld /etc/rc.local
[22:34] <robtygart> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 317 Oct 30 18:02 /etc/rc.local
[22:35] <tsimpson> you should know that xset requires DISPLAY to be set
[22:37] <akoma1s> robtygart: perhaps a typo? works right here, launching nano as root and showing the contents of /etc/rc.local
[22:40] <robtygart> akoma1s: thanks, still did not work.
[22:40] <robtygart> thats ok, I think I got it.
[22:41] <akoma1s> robtygart: can you try 'sudo nano /etc/rc.local'
[22:42] <robtygart> akoma1s: Yes! That did it.
[22:42] <robtygart> Thank you!
[22:42] <akoma1s> anytime :)