[08:48] <jodh> Hi - I'd like to request a non-virt PPA builder for lp:upstart. The environment of the existing  PPA causes test failures that are not recreateable on any other system so we believe the issue may relate to Hardy and/or Xen somehow. See https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+recipe/upstart-daily.
[08:49] <jodh> Ideally, the PPA would be usable by all Canonical Foundation Team members.
[09:46] <xnox> czajkowski: ^^^^
[09:46] <xnox> is there a policy about non-virt ppa's? and what is the procedure for us to follow? Create ppa -> file question -> wait?
[12:02] <soren> jodh: Is Hardy/Xen not a supported environment?
[12:03] <jodh> soren: something is 'different' in this environment and that something is causing the upstart tests to fail reliably.
[12:03] <soren> jodh: Understood.
[12:04] <soren> jodh: My question remains the same, though :)
[12:04] <jodh> soren: Upstart is very sensitive to kernel versions, etc and 3 people so far have attempted to identify the cause of the problem. So, it would be preferable if we could have a non-vm env unless anyone else can work out what is going on :=)
[12:05] <jodh> soren: if by supported you are referring to upstart, I would say no as it doesn't work :) Certainly, not the new versions of upstart we are attempting to build currently.
[12:14] <soren> jodh: Ok.
[14:32] <jodh> can anybody comment on this request please?
[14:34] <czajkowski> jodh: am offline sick todaym can you file a lp question please and maybe sinzui might be able to help
[14:34] <jodh> czajkowski: sorry to hear that! will do, ta.
[14:36] <sinzui> what does upstart have to do with launchpad?
[14:37] <jodh> sinzui: nothing directly, but see above - we are unable to run the upstart tests successfully in a hardy+xen environment.
[14:38] <jodh> czajkowski: impressed that I can select Cornish and Manx as languages when raising a question! :)
[14:39] <sinzui> jodh, you should contact the upstart maintainer team or ask a question to the project: https://answers.launchpad.net/upstart
[14:39] <jodh> sinzui: I am the Upstart maintainer.
[14:40] <sinzui> Then you want to talk to Scott who has more experience with it
[14:40] <jodh> sinzui: the problem we have is with the environment that the PPA builders provide - "something" appears to be different to every other environment Upstart successfully builds and runs in. We just don't know what :)
[14:40] <jodh> sinzui: no - Scott is not involved with this.
[14:41] <sinzui> hmm
[14:41] <jodh> sinzui: so would you like me to continue raising this launchpad 'question'? We just need a non-virt PPA for upstart builds.
[14:42] <TheLordOfTime> tsimpson, what's the likelihood the username'll change if i have active PPAs?
[14:42] <TheLordOfTime> (in regards to what I asked yesterday)
[14:42] <sinzui> The people who could help are wgrant, bigjools and cjwatson. I think bigjools is here this week, but in Australia.
[14:43] <tsimpson> TheLordOfTime: I would say it's fairly likely, but it needs manual intervention from what I understand
[14:44] <sinzui> jodh, I would have to defer that to bigjools. We only allow teams with all Canonical staff to use non-virtual builders.
[14:44] <TheLordOfTime> tsimpson, and i would get their intervention by filing a question against Launchpad?
[14:44] <sinzui> I will assign the question to him.
[14:44] <tsimpson> TheLordOfTime: yes
[14:45] <jodh> sinzui: ok. I'm requesting this for the Canonical Foundations Team, of which I am a member. My manager is aware of this issue and is happy to sponsor the request.
[14:45] <sinzui> fab
[14:52] <TheLordOfTime> tsimpson, does my @ubuntu.com email address change/update automatically?
[14:52] <TheLordOfTime> if a username change happens.  :P
[14:53] <tsimpson> TheLordOfTime: eventually, but you may want to ask that along with your question
[15:04] <TheLordOfTime> heh, i found an auto-generated user with my name... :P
[15:04] <TheLordOfTime> because I accidentally mis-signed a maverick changelog xD
[15:14] <tsimpson> you can merge the accounts
[15:42] <TheLordOfTime> yep
[16:49] <Adri2000> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+subscribedbugs times out here
[16:50] <tsimpson> indeed OOPS-b3bda0265ac1164d949d9f9cf3c7199e
[20:28] <nxvl> hey, is there any page with information on how long it usually takes for a package to build in a ppa (as in waiting in queue before build starts)?
[20:31] <wgrant> nxvl: You can see a current estimate of the queue depth on the RHS of https://launchpad.net/builders
[20:36] <nxvl> wgrant: awesome, thanks!