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phillwjbicha: ping01:36
jbichaphillw: hi01:40
infinitycjwatson: WTF at that yate patch.01:42
infinitycjwatson: (Notably, why on earth didn't it fail everywhere?)01:42
cjwatsoninfinity: Indeed, I can't figure that out01:43
cjwatsoninfinity: My best guess is that the optimiser did a better job of noticing that it was unused on every other architecture; but I have no idea why01:44
infinityBizarre.01:45
cjwatsonAlso can't really see why it worked in quantal.01:46
cjwatson(And I don't buy my own optimiser theory; building that file with -O0 on i386 still works.)01:46
infinityI'd like to blame binutils, cause that's always a sensible thing to do.01:48
infinity(And it's the only thing that changed drastically since quantal)01:48
cjwatsonI don't think it's the linker.  If I build just that .o on i386 and armhf, armhf has the FaxHandler::received undefined reference while i386 doesn't.01:49
cjwatsonIf you want to blame binutils it has to be the assembler, I think, which seems far-fetched.01:50
infinityOh, seriously?  Hrm.01:50
cjwatson(I haven't compared .S)01:50
infinityThat's just weird.01:50
cjwatsonI got bored of tracking it down through the toolchain once I realised the code was Just Wrong anyway.01:50
phillwa very quick Q. which you will tell me off for... Is there some sort of time scale for bug 1040037 getting into quantal?01:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 1040037 in cups-filters (Ubuntu Quantal) "Libreoffice will no longer print landscape page" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104003701:52
infinityI wonder if the php-horde mess has been fixed in unstable yet.01:52
infinityLooks like no.  Bah.01:53
ScottKphillw: You should ask tkamppeter_01:53
phillwScottk when and where does he appear?01:54
ScottKphillw: #ubuntu-devel01:54
phillwthanks :)01:55
jbichahe's Europe-based01:55
infinityA fix for that is in the queue, asking Till won't help.01:55
infinityphillw: It'll get reviewed and (potentially) accepted when it does.01:55
phillwinfinity: it is working... ubuntu-uk have confirmed as it affects news letters etc. I was just curious if it needed any more 'yeah it works' stuff, but as it has come from 'above' I'm really out of my depth.01:57
infinityphillw: Hard to confirm it works before it's been built. :P01:57
phillwinfinity: the 'R' works.. rule #1 of SRU :P01:58
phillwinfinity: soz, it was #ubuntu-advertising02:02
phillwinfinity: http://pastebin.com/EBrTie2102:05
phillwand then you can tell me off, again.02:05
* infinity points phillw 2 minutes back in backscroll.02:06
infinityOr 3.02:06
phillwinfinity: phillw: Hard to confirm it works before it's been built.02:10
phillwas it has been built.. I'm really missing something on how these things happen :(02:10
infinityphillw: It was only just accepted to quantal 7 minutes ago.02:10
infinityphillw: Though, before you kept giving me supporting evidence as to why I should accept it, apparently.02:11
phillwinfinity: I apologise, I thought I was being gentle as the email was quite a few hours earlier. I did tell them to be patient this evening but it is now 02:12 UTC here and I was asking for an update. Thank you ever so much, the guys will wake up to good news :)02:13
ScottKThis reminds me ...02:14
ScottKIt might be time to recruit some more new bodies for the SRU team.  I don't get the impression we're keeping up and I have this suspicion that next week SpamapS will have less time rather than more for SRU work.02:15
infinityNo, we're not keeping up particularly well right now, but that upload was only a few days old.02:18
phillwis the backlog testing proposed SRU's ?02:19
infinityNo.02:20
infinityWell, I'm sure there's a backlog there too, and I wouldn't turn down people doing verification.02:20
infinityBut in this case, no.  The backlog is review.02:20
infinityThough, when bdmurray is done rewriting sru-accept, I might find more joy in the process. :P02:21
phillwI cannot help on review, but may be able to help on verification02:21
slangasekinfinity: corresponding precise version of mountall on its way to the queue now, btw02:22
infinityslangasek: Oh, did you already SRU all this mess back to precise, thinking it was shiny and good?02:23
* infinity missed when that happened.02:23
slangasekinfinity: it's in precise-proposed now, I v-failed it02:23
* infinity dies a little inside, reading ns3's debian/rules.02:24
slangasekqueuebot is on vacation?02:24
infinityWhy do people think "convert to dh(1)" means "keep your old rules file, but add dh $@ to it"?02:24
infinityslangasek: queuebot was speaking up just a while ago.02:25
slangasekah, right, it's around but has just scrolled off my screen already ;)02:25
slangasekinfinity: because it's the naive way to incrementally improve your rules?02:25
infinityYou and I have varying definitions of "improve".02:25
infinityIt becomes seemingly nondeterministic when you do that.  (Not actually nondeterministic, but confusing enough for a human to sort out).02:26
slangasekit's possible I've misunderstood your description of the changes, then; but that's probably ok, I don't really need to know02:27
infinityHeh.02:27
micahgwell, if I ever find some time again, I might consider trying to join -sru02:28
infinitymicahg: We only ask for about 75% of your week, no big deal.02:29
micahginfinity: heh, if that was work time, that's fine :P02:29
infinityThere's non-work time?02:29
micahgI'm trying to rediscover what that is :)02:30
stgraberinfinity: between christmas and new year02:30
stgraber(apparently)02:30
infinitystgraber: *rimshot*02:30
cjwatsoninfinity: Indeed, if you leave targets such as 'build' in place, it can get very confusing.02:32
infinitycjwatson: Yep.02:32
cjwatsonOh boy, my flood of Multi-Arch: foreign patches to Debian to support cross-build is producing a moderately steady counter-flood of confused maintainers trying to work out what multiarch is02:34
infinityHahaha.  Score.02:34
infinityI love how out of touch DDs seem to be about things like this.02:34
cjwatsonThough I actually can't blame them for being confused about how it interacts with cross-building02:35
infinity(I'm in that boat too, obviously not WRT multitouch, but sometimes I don't get the memo about some large/obvious change for years)02:35
infinityThe joys of working on a very large system.02:35
infinitys/touch/arch/... Stupid SRUs have me with touchpads on the brain.02:36
infinity... and trying to sort out how a bug about a misbehaving Thinkpad touchpad ended up with a patch to asus-touchpad.sh02:37
cjwatsonScottK: Do you know if there's a plan to multiarchify boost?02:51
ScottKcjwatson: I do not know.04:23
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Mirvunity-2d 5.14.0-0ubuntu1 has been in the precise SRU queue for >1 month, and bursting with enthusiasm to get to users! also, unity-lens-applications11:10
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psivaaxnox: Reported bug 1086339 on manual partitioning, not sure if its related to bug 1085961.12:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 1086339 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Can not install raring desktop with manual partitioning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108633912:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 1085961 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Unable to install two raring desktops side-by-side" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108596112:00
xnoxpsivaa: ack, thanks.12:00
psivaaxnox: yw12:02
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cjwatsonstgraber: Could you test the current precise Ubuntu desktop image on SB-enabled hardware?  It *should* work now, I think15:22
cjwatsonTook me a while to get the image building pieces in place15:22
stgrabercjwatson: ok, I'll do a test later today15:23
cjwatsonThanks!15:26
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stgraberalright, let's have some fun with SecureBoot, back in 30min, hopefully...15:56
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stgrabercjwatson: first try doesn't look too good. This time around I get to grub but after selecting an entry all I'm getting is a black screen.16:01
stgraberI'm rewriting the image to my phone (which for some reason stops exporting the USB device after a reboot...) and will try again with set debug=all16:01
cjwatsonHmph.16:01
stgrabercjwatson: hmm, is vmlinuz signed?16:04
stgraberroot@castiana:/boot# sbverify vmlinuz16:05
stgraberNo signature table present16:05
cjwatsonHuh, I thought it was16:05
stgraberapparently not, so my machine won't be able to boot it because of the shim bug16:05
cjwatsonBut you're right, blast16:06
cjwatsonI'll try yet again16:06
cjwatson(Getting Quite Bored of SB)16:06
stgrabercjwatson: well, at least we have a pretty comprehensive list of things that can go wrong with SB images ;) I'm almost tempted to write a testing script checking that the partition table is correct, that the fs structure is fine for EFI, that shim and grub exist and are signed, that grub.cfg looks right and that vmlinuz is signed. If all of those match, it's pretty sure it'll at least boot (install is a whole other problem).16:12
cjwatsonstgraber: the cause of this is a 40316:18
cjwatsonWhich is aggravating16:19
cjwatsonI wonder how many goes this livecd-rootfs SRU is going to take16:20
infinityA 403?16:22
cjwatsonJust uploaded YA livecd-rootfs/precise-proposed to fix it16:22
* infinity looks.16:25
infinitycjwatson: Oh, *facepalm*16:34
infinitycjwatson: Accepted.16:34
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ScottKstgraber: Would you please stop cron from building the Kubuntu Alpha 1 images?23:05
ScottKAt UDS we talked about a ~2 day transition freeze during the scheduled milestones for just the relevant packages.  Did anyone look into how to do that yet?23:06
stgraberScottK: cron should have been stopped yesterday, did you actually get dailies today?23:07
ScottKstgraber: No.23:08
ScottKI guess we didn't.23:08
stgrabergood, so working as expected then :)23:08
ScottKYes.23:08
ScottKHow about the other question?23:08
stgraberScottK: for package freezes, cjwatson said he probably could figure some way to freeze a package set or a list of sources if needed, though the code doesn't exist yet, so if you need it for alpha-1 it may be a bit tricky23:09
ScottKI don't know that we NEED it.23:09
ScottKIt's probably more of a concern for Edubuntu since you've got to worry about what the desktop team may choose to upload.23:09
tumbleweedfreezing a list of packages should be doable with britney hints23:10
ScottKYes.  The trick is getting the right list.23:17
cjwatsonRight, the mechanics of freezing aren't hard (s/^/block /), but I don't think I can usefully contribute to coming up with a list if that's what you want23:38
ScottKI think I have a list.23:56
ScottKAt least for Kubuntu.23:56

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