[14:23] <xnox> cjwatson: how was the original timezone map done? Can that be updated, cause a few countries have changed "default" timezones.
[14:35] <cjwatson> xnox: I'm not entirely sure - ask ev
[14:39] <ev> we're chatting about it now
[17:02] <ScottK> If one hits quit in the first page of the installer (ubiquity), is the designed behavior to start a lilve session or to go back to the do you want to try or install screen?
[17:02] <ogra_> live session iirc
[17:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:03] <ScottK> Then it's working ...
[19:36] <ScottK> If an install is apparently halted at system installation 67% and Ubiquity is eating ~all the CPU, any immediate suggestions on how to figure out where I'm stuck (this is an encrypted LVM install)?
[19:38] <ScottK> xnox: ^^^ suggestions?
[19:45] <infinity> ScottK: Nothing interesting in syslog?
[19:45]  * ScottK looks
[19:47] <ScottK> It says something about media change.
[19:47] <ScottK> The USB is there and mounted though.
[19:48] <ScottK> There's also a depmod error a little bit further up about failed to symbolic link
[19:48] <ScottK> Linux-image postinst failed.
[19:50] <infinity> postinsts failing sounds bad.
[19:50] <infinity> The installer should probably notice such things and error out, instead of appearing to hang, mind you. :P
[19:50] <ScottK> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1413155/
[19:50] <infinity> But that's probably the problem.
[19:51] <ScottK> I did encrypted LVM on this system on Monday and it worked.
[19:51]  * ScottK wonders did something change or is it gremlins?
[19:51] <infinity> Oh, that may not be a failed postinst, just a verbose one.
[19:52] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.
[19:52] <infinity> It's certainly the media change event there that screwed you.
[19:52] <infinity> But why or how that happened, I dunno.
[19:52] <ScottK> OK.
[19:52] <ScottK> Maybe I bumped the usb stick.
[19:52] <infinity> Unless your CD is actually incomplete.
[19:53] <ScottK> I've done several installs with it already.
[19:53] <infinity> (That's the same message you get with d-i on multiple-CD installs... Which we don't do)
[19:53] <infinity> Kay, if it's worked before, you may have just had some cosmic rays.
[19:54] <infinity> Or /cdrom/ genuinely has nothing in it due to some other random bug umounting or mounting over it.
[19:54] <infinity> If you remember how you got there, I'd give it a whirl to reproduce.
[19:54] <ScottK> I'm trying again.
[19:54] <ScottK> I did check that the USB was present and mounted.
[19:55] <ScottK> So perhaps I bumped it or something and then Ubiquity failed to notice when it reappeared?
[19:55] <infinity> Possibly.  Dunno.  A lot of maybes at this point.
[19:55] <infinity> Ones I'll fail to care about if a second try works.
[19:55] <infinity> It may be high time for us to rename /cdrom/ in casper/d-i/etc to avoid looking like we live in the past.
[20:06] <ScottK> I'm glad I've done this install enough times that knowing the language I'm installing in isn't important.
[20:20] <infinity> Heh.
[20:20] <infinity> I still get messed up sometimes when I test software in right-to-left languages.
[20:31] <ScottK> Officially gremlins I guess.  It's past the point it hung last time.
[21:37] <ScottK> Here's a bit of a conundrum ...
[21:37] <ScottK> When installing with lvm/encryption, passphrase entry is done before you select your keyboard.
[21:38] <ScottK> So if it turns out that your keyboard selection is wrong and you fix it, then the keyboard layout you install with is different than the one you set your passphrase with.
[21:38] <ScottK> Which can make some passphrases hard to type ...
[21:46] <infinity> That seems a bit backward.  Shouldn't language/keyboard be the first things asked?
[21:46] <infinity> xnox: You still around?
[21:47] <cjwatson> We've been round in circles with design on this for years.
[21:47] <cjwatson> A quick IRC discussion won't solve it.
[21:48] <infinity> Kay..
[21:48] <cjwatson> Bringing partitioning forward was a genuine win in many ways (it's one of the things people often praise when they talk to me about the installer in person), but it does raise this awkward case
[21:48] <cjwatson> The best compromise we've found was to add a keyboard indicator
[21:48] <cjwatson> I don't recall what the KDE frontend has, though
[21:49] <infinity> Yeah, but the keyboard indicator does you no good if you don't realise this particular problem will be a problem.
[21:49] <infinity> Especially since passphrases are blind, so you may not know you're typing it "wrong".
[21:50] <cjwatson> Yeah, I guess it may be worth providing some kind of hint specially for the crypto case
[21:51] <cjwatson> We can't just pull keyboard back though - that involves pulling location back as well (for sane defaults) and at that point we've lost most of the gain from parallel questions