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| stokachu | o/ | 16:00 |
| * stgraber waves | 16:00 | |
| ogra_ | moo | 16:00 |
| jodh | hullo! | 16:01 |
| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Dec 5 16:01:43 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:01 |
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| slangasek | yay, habemus botem | 16:02 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] lightning round | 16:03 |
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| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu) | 16:03 |
| slangasek | ogra stokachu jodh ev slangasek doko cjwatson xnox bdmurray stgraber barry | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | done: | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | * flash-kernel fixes and SRUs (pending an upload to quantal) | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | * fix various image bits of nexus7 | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | * work out a "serial console by default" setup for nexus7 (just attach the USB cable and use screen/minicom from your desktop from tomorrow on, no more openssh server needed for debug shells) | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | * finally got nux into the archive with all armhf fixes for nexus7, tomorrows image should be fully usable | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | todo: | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | * meeting for discussing the remaining WIs of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram (carried over again) | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | * book vacation for the rest of december | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | .. | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | (is the nominative bots, botis, or botes?) | 16:04 |
| stokachu | bug 1084863 - needs nomination approval | 16:04 |
| stokachu | bug 1012900, bug 1004775 - working with assigned engineers to get these uploaded for precise | 16:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1084863 in parallel (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade to latest parallel-20121122" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084863 | 16:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1012900 in sssd (Ubuntu Precise) "Using SSSD, PAM error when exiting su session" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012900 | 16:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1004775 in network-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "NetworkManager restarts dnsmasq and adds host route on every IPv6 route lookup" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004775 | 16:04 |
| stokachu | (done) | 16:04 |
| jodh | * bug 1083723: reworked and re-raised MP (awaiting feedback). | 16:05 |
| jodh | * bug 1079715: reworked and re-raised MP (awaiting feedback). | 16:05 |
| jodh | * bug 1086474: continued investigations. | 16:05 |
| jodh | * reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-dbus-events | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1083723 in upstart "'telinit u' has a cage fight with busybox init" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1083723 | 16:05 |
| jodh | * reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-initgroups and merged. | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1079715 in upstart "'telinit u' run from within a chroot causes a crash" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079715 | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1086474 in upstart "test_job_process can fail in test 'with environment of unnamed instance'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086474 | 16:05 |
| jodh | * reviewed lp:~xnox/upstart/fix-qemu-test and merged. | 16:05 |
| jodh | * reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-prctl. | 16:05 |
| jodh | * TODO: | 16:05 |
| jodh | - merge lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-prctl. | 16:05 |
| jodh | - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions | 16:05 |
| jodh | - upates for PAM. | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | stokachu: if bug 1084863 is for -updates rather than -backports, shouldn't we be identifying the relevant patches rather than doing a wholesale backport? | 16:05 |
| jodh | - updates for confdir/override handling. | 16:05 |
| jodh | 𐒓 | 16:05 |
| * xnox ev promises a double long post next week. | 16:06 | |
| stokachu | cjwatson: parallel would be a full backporrt for precise | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | stokachu: that's contrary to the usual SRU practice, so it would need special justification | 16:06 |
| stokachu | cjwatson: but quantal we would need to specify the patches, so we can remove that nomination | 16:06 |
| stokachu | and raring is just a blanket upgrade | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | oh, parallel isn't in precise at all? then we'd need to have a reason it's needed | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | wait. is the intended state precise-backports + quantal-updates + raring? | 16:07 |
| stokachu | cjwatson: yea :D | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | in that case, we don't want the precise task - that'll be handled by the backport | 16:08 |
| stokachu | ah ok | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | we do want the quantal and raring tasks, but for quantal it will need to be a targeted patch exercise | 16:08 |
| stokachu | cjwatson: gotcha so we should remove nominations and I can create a separate bug for quantal? | 16:08 |
| stokachu | for specific fixes | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | No, leave it as it is now | 16:09 |
| xnox | stokachu: status fixed, refresh. | 16:09 |
| stokachu | cool thanks :D | 16:09 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: no reason a third-declension noun can't have "bot" as its nominative :) | 16:09 |
| xnox | stokachu: we can split later if we decide so, cause e.g. it will need backports & sru templates on it. | 16:09 |
| slangasek | no ev today due to crashdb sprinting | 16:09 |
| slangasek | mine is: | 16:10 |
| slangasek | * working with desktop team on X stack backports for 12.04.2 | 16:10 |
| slangasek | * upstart branch reviews | 16:10 |
| slangasek | * further work to get upstart 1.6 ready to go into Debian testing | 16:10 |
| slangasek | * fixing a regression in mountall discovered in the cloud only after SRU (bug #1078926) | 16:10 |
| stokachu | xnox: sounds good thanks | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1078926 in mountall (Ubuntu Quantal) "raring instance failed to find EC2 datasource" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078926 | 16:10 |
| slangasek | * looked at plymouth in lxc | 16:10 |
| slangasek | (done) | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: touché | 16:10 |
| doko | * last week | 16:10 |
| doko | - more toolchain work, upstreaming 4.8 patches, fixing issues in the 4.8 packaging | 16:10 |
| doko | - gcc-4.7, binutils updates for raring. | 16:10 |
| doko | - review linaro arm-none-gnueabi packaging | 16:10 |
| doko | * this week | 16:10 |
| doko | - finish python3.3 multiarch packaging | 16:10 |
| doko | - move the python3.3 multiarch packaging to 2.7, and clean up things | 16:10 |
| doko | - prepare python-defaults and python3-defaults multiarch changes | 16:10 |
| doko | - start documenting python multiarch | 16:10 |
| doko | - look at the cross packaging, removing the ad-hoc solutions, and configure --with-sysroot=/ | 16:10 |
| doko | - finally investigating how to build multilib'd cross toolchains | 16:10 |
| doko | - llvm-3.2 update, look at clang 3.2 | 16:10 |
| doko | (done) | 16:10 |
| slangasek | --with-sysroot=/ \o/ | 16:11 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: I guess you'll be exercising that toolchain soon, to confirm it really works without extra flags? | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | So that's what fixes the -rpath-link stuff? | 16:12 |
| slangasek | AIUI yes | 16:12 |
| slangasek | the binutils upload specifically | 16:12 |
| doko | it should, yes. binutils is already in the archive | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | I can clear out w-b and have it retry from scratch | 16:12 |
| doko | and the armhf cross binutils too | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | How about the "STRIP CFLAGS -fstack-protector" that we're still carrying? | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | Ah, that was just for arm64 because it didn't have a libssp | 16:13 |
| slangasek | that's aarch64-specific | 16:13 |
| doko | not yet ported to arm64 | 16:13 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: your go, I think | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | OK, I'll go through my sbuild charm and conditionalise the bits that are quantal and/or arm64 only | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | Lots of merges. | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | Continuing to push SB up the hill in 12.04. Now boots, according to stgraber, but fails to install correctly. | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | Many cross-build fixes, and adding M-A: foreign to things. gettext unblocked. Auto-cross-builder now publishing: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/cross/armhf/raring/ | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | Fixed arcane coreutils/powerpc build failure. | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | Fixed net-tools build failure. | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | Fixed ubiquity not to remove kernel headers just because it's removing a same-flavour signed kernel (bug 1070427). | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1070427 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity removes kernel headers, fails to build nonfree drivers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070427 | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | Multiarchified libplymouth{2,-dev}. | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | Fixed up build-essential to stop claiming that python-minimal is Essential. | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | Fixed ubiquity regression in question dialog handling that broke auto-resizing (bug 1085961). | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1085961 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Unable to install two raring desktops side-by-side" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085961 | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | .. | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | There's a question in that last-but-one bug about publishing updated 12.10 images ... | 16:15 |
| xnox | * Fixed upstart race in the unit-test, now we pass adt tests in with | 16:15 |
| xnox | lp:upstart. | 16:15 |
| xnox | * Working on upstart user configuration directories. | 16:15 |
| xnox | * Joined co-working from the office with evan, brian and pitti. | 16:15 |
| xnox | * Guiding upgrade user experience work for raring. | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | Which, well. It's possible but some work | 16:15 |
| xnox | .. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Upstart | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Did a few more changes on the initgroups branch, was merged today. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Cleaned up and ported initctl2dot to python3 | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Some cleanup work on the upstart-dconf-bridge at: lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-dconf-bridge | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Started poking at libnih to fix the 'as' type handling for the dbus-events branch | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Cleaned up the prctl branch a little based on James' comment, now proposed for merging. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Container | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Getting ready for 0.9~alpha1 release next week. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Quite a lot of code review for patches being sent upstream. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Extended lxc-device to support moving network devices to containers. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Made python optional upstream, falling back to "legacy" shell scripts when not available. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Improved some of the existing python scripts to better deal with a non-root user. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - lxc-create now stores the name of the template, arguments and sha1sum in the container's configuration. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - lxc-ubuntu now installs any needed language pack in the container based on the list of langpacks installed on the host. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Release | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Taking care of the alpha-1 release for the few participating flavours. | 16:16 |
| stgraber | - Networking | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - Looking at reducing the delta between Debian and Ubuntu for bridge-utils. Will add some code to detect upstart-udev-bridge and change the codepath accordingly. | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - Other | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - Did some UEFI secureboot testing for Colin. | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - TODO | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - Release alpha-1. | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - Work on libnih and get the dbus-events upstart branch to work. | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - Prepare the pull request for the 0.9~alpha1 LXC release. | 16:17 |
| stgraber | - Prepare a patch for bridge-utils to detect upstart and send that to Debian. | 16:17 |
| stgraber | (DONE) | 16:17 |
| barry | last week: bug #1077076 (oneconf py3 & oauthlib). bug #1058029 (code review). bug #1061149 (probably not a kernel bug, maybe jodh can take a look?). pykde4 plugin port to py3. review apport-valgrind for kylen. tox 1.4.2-2. virtualenv 1.8.4. python-defaults 2.7.3-3ubuntu2. this week: finish up (i hope) oneconf; look at twisted py3 port and our dependencies; continue eradication of python-oauth on ubuntu-desktop. 𝄢 | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1077076 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "Switch from python-oauth to python-oauthlib" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077076 | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1058029 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Port initctl2dot to Python 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058029 | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1061149 in linux (Ubuntu) "boot occasionally hangs while "Checking battery state..."" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061149 | 16:17 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: updated 12.10 images> right, it's possible but I don't think it's realistic that we'll have the cycles to spend on this | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | yeah :-/ | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | I guess I could publish an SRU and switch on the offer-people-an-installer-upgrade bit | 16:18 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: that seems a reasonable middle ground | 16:20 |
| slangasek | any questions wrt statuses? | 16:20 |
| slangasek | (speaking of bad latin declinations) | 16:20 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Bugs | 16:21 |
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| slangasek | bdmurray isn't here to drive this, so I suppose it'll be a quick topic | 16:21 |
| slangasek | anyone want to raise anything here? | 16:21 |
| barry | bug #1061149 is still confounding me | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1061149 in linux (Ubuntu) "boot occasionally hangs while "Checking battery state..."" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061149 | 16:22 |
| stokachu | one sec | 16:22 |
| barry | we now think it is not a kernel problem. perhaps upstart? any suggestions for more things to test would be welcome | 16:23 |
| stokachu | can i bring up another backport bug thats been sitting around for several months? | 16:24 |
| jodh | barry: unlikely to be a bug in upstart itself. The acpi service is in the sysv side of the world, but it might be an odd interaction between sysv+upstart jobs possibly. | 16:24 |
| slangasek | I don't think it's likely to have anything to do with sysv+upstart | 16:24 |
| xnox | stokachu: go ahead. | 16:24 |
| stokachu | bug 943502 | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 943502 in whois (Ubuntu Oneiric) "whois doesn't properly query .hr/.sx/.pe TLDs and incorrect format for whois.arin.net" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943502 | 16:25 |
| jodh | barry: when you say the boot hangs - do you mean the machine is actually dead? magic sysrq any help? | 16:25 |
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| slangasek | it's more likely that something has stalled and preventing the boot from getting any further due to a missing event of some kind | 16:25 |
| slangasek | barry: boot with --verbose and capture the last bits on the screen? | 16:25 |
| barry | jodh: ctrl-alt-del kills acpid and reboots it | 16:25 |
| jodh | barry: serial console output ideally. | 16:25 |
| infinity | stokachu: Why backport wholesale instead of SRUing the correct TLD info in? | 16:26 |
| stokachu | arges: ^ | 16:26 |
| slangasek | barry: also, a listing of /etc/rc2.d/ on the affected machine | 16:26 |
| barry | the console output is somewhat unpredictable, but after the boot stalls, ctrl-alt-del *always* shows acpid getting killed | 16:26 |
| jodh | barry: what about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key ? | 16:26 |
| barry | i'd say the boot stalls roughly 50% of the time (but not exactly 50%) | 16:27 |
| slangasek | stokachu: no arges on this channel. anyway, though infinity phrased it as a question, you will have better results by applying targeted fixes instead of doing a backport | 16:28 |
| slangasek | first, because the backport team is orthogonal to the normal sponsorship queue / SRU process | 16:28 |
| jodh | barry: but is the machine dead? does the caps lock light still respond? is the VM process maxed at 100% cpu? | 16:28 |
| barry | jodh: that might be tricky. this is a vm ;) | 16:28 |
| slangasek | second, because backports aren't enabled for users by default | 16:28 |
| barry | slangasek: i'll past the ls into the issue | 16:28 |
| slangasek | barry: ta | 16:28 |
| stokachu | slangasek: ok let me talk to the OP and see wth is going on | 16:28 |
| slangasek | stokachu: ok, sounds good | 16:28 |
| barry | jodh: the machine isn't actually dead. iirc i can ssh into it | 16:29 |
| jodh | barry: it's possible to sysrq with kvm+virtualbox. | 16:29 |
| jodh | barry: ok. | 16:29 |
| slangasek | barry: chvt 2? (this rules out a console hang, vs. things just not having been handed off to the 'tty1' service) | 16:30 |
| stokachu | slangasek, infinity: we are going to go over the bug again and see about taking a better approach | 16:30 |
| stokachu | bug is pretty old and the history is lost on it | 16:30 |
| slangasek | barry: also, if you can ssh in, you can get a process list and an upstart job list; we would want to see the state of the 'rc' and 'plymouth' jobs when the hang happens | 16:30 |
| slangasek | stokachu: ack | 16:31 |
| slangasek | any other bugs? | 16:31 |
| jodh | right. remove splash and quiet on kernel cmdline too. | 16:31 |
| slangasek | not at the same time as doing the other tests :) | 16:32 |
| barry | slangasek: yep. jodh already splashless and chatty :) | 16:32 |
| slangasek | removing 'splash' is a big hammer | 16:32 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:32 |
| slangasek | so it's almost certainly not a plymouth console-related hang | 16:32 |
| barry | slangasek, jodh perhaps... let me get it into the stalled state and we can poke at it in real time? | 16:32 |
| barry | (after this meeting or later today?) | 16:33 |
| slangasek | barry: can do | 16:33 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:33 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| jodh | barry: k | 16:33 |
| slangasek | anything else? | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | infinity, do you plan to re-introduce weekly reports to ubuntu-release before end of the year ? | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | (if so i need to find someone stepping in for me during vacation) | 16:34 |
| infinity | ogra_: Yes. I was meta-nagged to nag people. | 16:34 |
| slangasek | :-) | 16:34 |
| * ogra_ hasnt recieved a nag yet | 16:34 | |
| infinity | ogra_: I'll be nagging today. :P | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | i was actually expecting it :) | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | (thats why i asked) | 16:35 |
| slangasek | infinity: is the nag covering all the changes to the requested report format? | 16:35 |
| slangasek | like, axing the "bugs currently worked on" thing | 16:35 |
| infinity | slangasek: I have to go back and poke the spec, but yes. | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | ++ | 16:35 |
| slangasek | infinity: great :) | 16:36 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 16:37:34 2012 UTC. | 16:37 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-05-16.01.moin.txt | 16:37 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-05-16.01.html | 16:37 |
| slangasek | the end! | 16:37 |
| xnox | thanks. | 16:37 |
| slangasek | thanks all | 16:37 |
| barry | thanks! | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | thanks ! | 16:38 |
| stgraber | thanks! | 16:38 |
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