=== jono is now known as Guest68697 === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === doko_ is now known as doko === smb` is now known as smb === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk === henrix_ is now known as henrix === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [12:08] hi === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === henrix is now known as henrix_ === henrix_ is now known as henrix [16:00] o/ [16:00] * stgraber waves [16:00] moo [16:01] hullo! [16:01] * slangasek waves [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started Wed Dec 5 16:01:43 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:02] yay, habemus botem [16:03] [TOPIC] lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round [16:03] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu) [16:03] ogra stokachu jodh ev slangasek doko cjwatson xnox bdmurray stgraber barry [16:03] done: [16:03] * flash-kernel fixes and SRUs (pending an upload to quantal) [16:03] * fix various image bits of nexus7 [16:03] * work out a "serial console by default" setup for nexus7 (just attach the USB cable and use screen/minicom from your desktop from tomorrow on, no more openssh server needed for debug shells) [16:03] * finally got nux into the archive with all armhf fixes for nexus7, tomorrows image should be fully usable [16:03] todo: [16:03] * meeting for discussing the remaining WIs of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram (carried over again) [16:04] * book vacation for the rest of december [16:04] .. [16:04] (is the nominative bots, botis, or botes?) [16:04] bug 1084863 - needs nomination approval [16:04] bug 1012900, bug 1004775 - working with assigned engineers to get these uploaded for precise [16:04] Launchpad bug 1084863 in parallel (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade to latest parallel-20121122" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084863 [16:04] Launchpad bug 1012900 in sssd (Ubuntu Precise) "Using SSSD, PAM error when exiting su session" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012900 [16:04] Launchpad bug 1004775 in network-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "NetworkManager restarts dnsmasq and adds host route on every IPv6 route lookup" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004775 [16:04] (done) [16:05] * bug 1083723: reworked and re-raised MP (awaiting feedback). [16:05] * bug 1079715: reworked and re-raised MP (awaiting feedback). [16:05] * bug 1086474: continued investigations. [16:05] * reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-dbus-events [16:05] Launchpad bug 1083723 in upstart "'telinit u' has a cage fight with busybox init" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1083723 [16:05] * reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-initgroups and merged. [16:05] Launchpad bug 1079715 in upstart "'telinit u' run from within a chroot causes a crash" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079715 [16:05] Launchpad bug 1086474 in upstart "test_job_process can fail in test 'with environment of unnamed instance'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086474 [16:05] * reviewed lp:~xnox/upstart/fix-qemu-test and merged. [16:05] * reviewed lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-prctl. [16:05] * TODO: [16:05] - merge lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-prctl. [16:05] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions [16:05] - upates for PAM. [16:05] stokachu: if bug 1084863 is for -updates rather than -backports, shouldn't we be identifying the relevant patches rather than doing a wholesale backport? [16:05] - updates for confdir/override handling. [16:05] 𐒓 [16:06] * xnox ev promises a double long post next week. [16:06] cjwatson: parallel would be a full backporrt for precise [16:06] stokachu: that's contrary to the usual SRU practice, so it would need special justification [16:06] cjwatson: but quantal we would need to specify the patches, so we can remove that nomination [16:06] and raring is just a blanket upgrade [16:07] oh, parallel isn't in precise at all? then we'd need to have a reason it's needed [16:07] wait. is the intended state precise-backports + quantal-updates + raring? [16:08] cjwatson: yea :D [16:08] in that case, we don't want the precise task - that'll be handled by the backport [16:08] ah ok [16:08] we do want the quantal and raring tasks, but for quantal it will need to be a targeted patch exercise [16:08] cjwatson: gotcha so we should remove nominations and I can create a separate bug for quantal? [16:09] for specific fixes [16:09] No, leave it as it is now [16:09] stokachu: status fixed, refresh. [16:09] cool thanks :D [16:09] cjwatson: no reason a third-declension noun can't have "bot" as its nominative :) [16:09] stokachu: we can split later if we decide so, cause e.g. it will need backports & sru templates on it. [16:09] no ev today due to crashdb sprinting [16:10] mine is: [16:10] * working with desktop team on X stack backports for 12.04.2 [16:10] * upstart branch reviews [16:10] * further work to get upstart 1.6 ready to go into Debian testing [16:10] * fixing a regression in mountall discovered in the cloud only after SRU (bug #1078926) [16:10] xnox: sounds good thanks [16:10] Launchpad bug 1078926 in mountall (Ubuntu Quantal) "raring instance failed to find EC2 datasource" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078926 [16:10] * looked at plymouth in lxc [16:10] (done) [16:10] slangasek: touché [16:10] * last week [16:10] - more toolchain work, upstreaming 4.8 patches, fixing issues in the 4.8 packaging [16:10] - gcc-4.7, binutils updates for raring. [16:10] - review linaro arm-none-gnueabi packaging [16:10] * this week [16:10] - finish python3.3 multiarch packaging [16:10] - move the python3.3 multiarch packaging to 2.7, and clean up things [16:10] - prepare python-defaults and python3-defaults multiarch changes [16:10] - start documenting python multiarch [16:10] - look at the cross packaging, removing the ad-hoc solutions, and configure --with-sysroot=/ [16:10] - finally investigating how to build multilib'd cross toolchains [16:10] - llvm-3.2 update, look at clang 3.2 [16:10] (done) [16:11] --with-sysroot=/ \o/ [16:12] cjwatson: I guess you'll be exercising that toolchain soon, to confirm it really works without extra flags? [16:12] So that's what fixes the -rpath-link stuff? [16:12] AIUI yes [16:12] the binutils upload specifically [16:12] it should, yes. binutils is already in the archive [16:12] I can clear out w-b and have it retry from scratch [16:12] and the armhf cross binutils too [16:13] How about the "STRIP CFLAGS -fstack-protector" that we're still carrying? [16:13] Ah, that was just for arm64 because it didn't have a libssp [16:13] that's aarch64-specific [16:13] not yet ported to arm64 [16:14] cjwatson: your go, I think [16:14] OK, I'll go through my sbuild charm and conditionalise the bits that are quantal and/or arm64 only [16:14] Lots of merges. [16:14] Continuing to push SB up the hill in 12.04. Now boots, according to stgraber, but fails to install correctly. [16:14] Many cross-build fixes, and adding M-A: foreign to things. gettext unblocked. Auto-cross-builder now publishing: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/cross/armhf/raring/ [16:15] Fixed arcane coreutils/powerpc build failure. [16:15] Fixed net-tools build failure. [16:15] Fixed ubiquity not to remove kernel headers just because it's removing a same-flavour signed kernel (bug 1070427). [16:15] Launchpad bug 1070427 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity removes kernel headers, fails to build nonfree drivers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070427 [16:15] Multiarchified libplymouth{2,-dev}. [16:15] Fixed up build-essential to stop claiming that python-minimal is Essential. [16:15] Fixed ubiquity regression in question dialog handling that broke auto-resizing (bug 1085961). [16:15] Launchpad bug 1085961 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Unable to install two raring desktops side-by-side" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085961 [16:15] .. [16:15] There's a question in that last-but-one bug about publishing updated 12.10 images ... [16:15] * Fixed upstart race in the unit-test, now we pass adt tests in with [16:15] lp:upstart. [16:15] * Working on upstart user configuration directories. [16:15] * Joined co-working from the office with evan, brian and pitti. [16:15] * Guiding upgrade user experience work for raring. [16:15] Which, well. It's possible but some work [16:16] .. [16:16] - Upstart [16:16] - Did a few more changes on the initgroups branch, was merged today. [16:16] - Cleaned up and ported initctl2dot to python3 [16:16] - Some cleanup work on the upstart-dconf-bridge at: lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-dconf-bridge [16:16] - Started poking at libnih to fix the 'as' type handling for the dbus-events branch [16:16] - Cleaned up the prctl branch a little based on James' comment, now proposed for merging. [16:16] - Container [16:16] - Getting ready for 0.9~alpha1 release next week. [16:16] - Quite a lot of code review for patches being sent upstream. [16:16] - Extended lxc-device to support moving network devices to containers. [16:16] - Made python optional upstream, falling back to "legacy" shell scripts when not available. [16:16] - Improved some of the existing python scripts to better deal with a non-root user. [16:16] - lxc-create now stores the name of the template, arguments and sha1sum in the container's configuration. [16:16] - lxc-ubuntu now installs any needed language pack in the container based on the list of langpacks installed on the host. [16:16] - Release [16:16] - Taking care of the alpha-1 release for the few participating flavours. [16:17] - Networking [16:17] - Looking at reducing the delta between Debian and Ubuntu for bridge-utils. Will add some code to detect upstart-udev-bridge and change the codepath accordingly. [16:17] - Other [16:17] - Did some UEFI secureboot testing for Colin. [16:17] - TODO [16:17] - Release alpha-1. [16:17] - Work on libnih and get the dbus-events upstart branch to work. [16:17] - Prepare the pull request for the 0.9~alpha1 LXC release. [16:17] - Prepare a patch for bridge-utils to detect upstart and send that to Debian. [16:17] (DONE) [16:17] last week: bug #1077076 (oneconf py3 & oauthlib). bug #1058029 (code review). bug #1061149 (probably not a kernel bug, maybe jodh can take a look?). pykde4 plugin port to py3. review apport-valgrind for kylen. tox 1.4.2-2. virtualenv 1.8.4. python-defaults 2.7.3-3ubuntu2. this week: finish up (i hope) oneconf; look at twisted py3 port and our dependencies; continue eradication of python-oauth on ubuntu-desktop. 𝄢 [16:17] Launchpad bug 1077076 in oneconf (Ubuntu) "Switch from python-oauth to python-oauthlib" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077076 [16:17] Launchpad bug 1058029 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Port initctl2dot to Python 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058029 [16:17] Launchpad bug 1061149 in linux (Ubuntu) "boot occasionally hangs while "Checking battery state..."" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061149 [16:18] cjwatson: updated 12.10 images> right, it's possible but I don't think it's realistic that we'll have the cycles to spend on this [16:18] yeah :-/ [16:18] I guess I could publish an SRU and switch on the offer-people-an-installer-upgrade bit [16:20] cjwatson: that seems a reasonable middle ground [16:20] any questions wrt statuses? [16:20] (speaking of bad latin declinations) [16:21] [TOPIC] Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Bugs [16:21] bdmurray isn't here to drive this, so I suppose it'll be a quick topic [16:21] anyone want to raise anything here? [16:22] bug #1061149 is still confounding me [16:22] Launchpad bug 1061149 in linux (Ubuntu) "boot occasionally hangs while "Checking battery state..."" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061149 [16:22] one sec [16:23] we now think it is not a kernel problem. perhaps upstart? any suggestions for more things to test would be welcome [16:24] can i bring up another backport bug thats been sitting around for several months? [16:24] barry: unlikely to be a bug in upstart itself. The acpi service is in the sysv side of the world, but it might be an odd interaction between sysv+upstart jobs possibly. [16:24] I don't think it's likely to have anything to do with sysv+upstart [16:24] stokachu: go ahead. [16:25] bug 943502 [16:25] Launchpad bug 943502 in whois (Ubuntu Oneiric) "whois doesn't properly query .hr/.sx/.pe TLDs and incorrect format for whois.arin.net" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943502 [16:25] barry: when you say the boot hangs - do you mean the machine is actually dead? magic sysrq any help? === ejat- is now known as ejat [16:25] it's more likely that something has stalled and preventing the boot from getting any further due to a missing event of some kind [16:25] barry: boot with --verbose and capture the last bits on the screen? [16:25] jodh: ctrl-alt-del kills acpid and reboots it [16:25] barry: serial console output ideally. [16:26] stokachu: Why backport wholesale instead of SRUing the correct TLD info in? [16:26] arges: ^ [16:26] barry: also, a listing of /etc/rc2.d/ on the affected machine [16:26] the console output is somewhat unpredictable, but after the boot stalls, ctrl-alt-del *always* shows acpid getting killed [16:26] barry: what about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key ? [16:27] i'd say the boot stalls roughly 50% of the time (but not exactly 50%) [16:28] stokachu: no arges on this channel. anyway, though infinity phrased it as a question, you will have better results by applying targeted fixes instead of doing a backport [16:28] first, because the backport team is orthogonal to the normal sponsorship queue / SRU process [16:28] barry: but is the machine dead? does the caps lock light still respond? is the VM process maxed at 100% cpu? [16:28] jodh: that might be tricky. this is a vm ;) [16:28] second, because backports aren't enabled for users by default [16:28] slangasek: i'll past the ls into the issue [16:28] barry: ta [16:28] slangasek: ok let me talk to the OP and see wth is going on [16:28] stokachu: ok, sounds good [16:29] jodh: the machine isn't actually dead. iirc i can ssh into it [16:29] barry: it's possible to sysrq with kvm+virtualbox. [16:29] barry: ok. [16:30] barry: chvt 2? (this rules out a console hang, vs. things just not having been handed off to the 'tty1' service) [16:30] slangasek, infinity: we are going to go over the bug again and see about taking a better approach [16:30] bug is pretty old and the history is lost on it [16:30] barry: also, if you can ssh in, you can get a process list and an upstart job list; we would want to see the state of the 'rc' and 'plymouth' jobs when the hang happens [16:31] stokachu: ack [16:31] any other bugs? [16:31] right. remove splash and quiet on kernel cmdline too. [16:32] not at the same time as doing the other tests :) [16:32] slangasek: yep. jodh already splashless and chatty :) [16:32] removing 'splash' is a big hammer [16:32] ok [16:32] so it's almost certainly not a plymouth console-related hang [16:32] slangasek, jodh perhaps... let me get it into the stalled state and we can poke at it in real time? [16:33] (after this meeting or later today?) [16:33] barry: can do [16:33] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [16:33] barry: k [16:33] anything else? [16:34] infinity, do you plan to re-introduce weekly reports to ubuntu-release before end of the year ? [16:34] (if so i need to find someone stepping in for me during vacation) [16:34] ogra_: Yes. I was meta-nagged to nag people. [16:34] :-) [16:34] * ogra_ hasnt recieved a nag yet [16:34] ogra_: I'll be nagging today. :P [16:35] i was actually expecting it :) [16:35] (thats why i asked) [16:35] infinity: is the nag covering all the changes to the requested report format? [16:35] like, axing the "bugs currently worked on" thing [16:35] slangasek: I have to go back and poke the spec, but yes. [16:35] ++ [16:36] infinity: great :) [16:37] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:37] Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 16:37:34 2012 UTC. [16:37] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-05-16.01.moin.txt [16:37] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-05-16.01.html [16:37] the end! [16:37] thanks. [16:37] thanks all [16:37] thanks! [16:38] thanks ! [16:38] thanks! [17:19] * solarcloud is away: /me requires JuanValdez. BRBack... [17:26] * solarcloud is back (gone 00:07:02) === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw