[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:19] <AlanBell> morning
[08:20] <popey> morning
[09:24] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[09:25] <mungojerry> i'm looking for a wordsmith
[09:26] <mungojerry> can anyone help me remember a long word that describes what radio5 do when they give equal importance to opinions of a professor who's studied a subject for years and has all the data, and a road sweeper who's giving his uneducated opinion
[09:35] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:39] <popey> yo
[09:39] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:47] <diplo> Any win8 users in here ?
[09:47] <diplo> Ive not got a machine to test, but a customer says he's having issues connecting to samba shares with same user/pass as his machine
[09:47] <diplo> Anyone else experienced that
[09:51] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[09:52]  * bigcalm springs into action and spills coffee everywhere
[09:52] <diplo> heh, already on cup 3
[09:53] <bigcalm> Oh, I remember what I was going to ask peeps
[09:55] <bigcalm> I hear of OS firmware for digital cameras to allow scripting and remote triggering etc. Not sure what googloligy I should be using to find such a thing for my Canon EOS 350D
[09:56] <popey> http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki
[09:56] <popey> eos replacement firmware were the terms I used
[09:56] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:57] <bigcalm> Doesn't seem to support the 350D :(
[09:57] <bigcalm> Thank you though. I will continue hunting :)
[09:59] <bigcalm> Seems there is a development build of CHDK for it
[10:37] <bigcalm> At some point in the near future, I will need to write a desktop application. For the last 6+ years I've had my head stuck in PHP. I'm sure it could be done, but is there a better language option? Considering Python
[10:39] <popey> vala?
[10:39] <popey> go?
[10:39] <bigcalm> Are they easy to learn?
[10:39] <popey> pass
[10:41] <bigcalm> I'll need to interface with a webcam and other USB devices. Think I need to choose something that has a lot of existing libs to help me do stuff :)
[10:45] <daubers> What's bitfolks irc channel? For some reason I can't ping any bitfolk IP's from a machine in Oz
[10:45] <diplo> bigcalm: Sounds like python then
[10:45] <Dave2> #bitfolk on blitzed
[10:46] <diplo> #bitfoler on irc.blitzed.org
[10:46] <diplo> hah, typos
[10:46] <diplo> :P
[10:46] <yts01> dfg
[11:05] <daubers> Those ubuntu-au types are lovely people
[11:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:15] <popey> daubers, got your problem sorted?
[11:21] <daubers> popey: No :( Seems to be a problem with telstra not routing bitfolks IP range
[11:22] <popey> i had this issue with someone connecting to bitfolk from canada a few years ago
[11:22] <daubers> :(
[11:22] <popey> misconfiguration their end
[11:22] <daubers> Silly ISPs
[11:31] <davmor2> popey: How is raring
[11:32] <popey> ok
[11:32] <popey> new unity lands in it later
[11:33] <davmor2> popey: nice
[11:33] <davmor2> popey: if you install vbox on raring let me know if it runs it wasn't for me last Thursday :(  the kernel module wouldn't instal
[11:33] <davmor2> l
[11:35] <popey> i do have it in vbox
[11:36] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/a/214968/612
[11:36] <popey> davmor2, ^^ do that
[11:50] <Knightwise> hey everyone
[11:57] <aquarius> anyone know who's behind Turtle Studios? http://turtle-studios.co.uk/index.html
[12:02] <directhex>         David Young
[12:02] <directhex>         45 Whitebridges
[12:02] <directhex>         Honiton
[12:02] <directhex> ^^ him
[12:17] <davmor2> popey: Sorry I meant I am running raring as a host and wants vbox to work on it but the kernel drivers for running vbox never install correctly
[12:18] <aquarius> directhex, hm, how did you find that? perhaps I'm blind :)
[12:19] <AlanBell> whois turtle-studios.co.uk
[12:20] <AlanBell> would be my guess
[12:20] <popey> davmor2, yeah, I'm running raring at the host too
[12:21] <davmor2> popey: oh nice I'll give it a bash then :)
[12:52] <popey> AlanBell, theopensourcerer what's the plan for tomorrow?
[12:53] <AlanBell> lunch \o/
[12:53] <davmor2> popey: well they are going to get up, get washed and dressed..........
[12:54] <AlanBell> no massively detailed plan, if you turn up at the office at some point we can wander into town and find food
[12:54] <AlanBell> dunno if we will get as far as going past the mulburry
[12:54] <popey> roger roger
[12:59] <popey> aquarius, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005VBNW2G/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[12:59] <popey> cheap replacement for your blue charge thing
[12:59] <popey> which looks a bit iphone ish
[12:59] <aquarius> popey, I still have the blue charge thing :)
[12:59] <popey> ERROR: Incorrect styling!
[12:59] <aquarius> doesn't match the iphone, of course
[13:00] <aquarius> but I don't think I'm so hung up on matching accessories that I'm prepared to bin a perfectly working pretty item just because it's the wrong colour. :)
[13:01] <diplo> yay sensible wins!
[13:07] <directhex> but... iphone! pretty! colour coordination!
[13:12] <christel> boo the snow has disappeared again
[13:18] <directhex> sigh.
[13:18] <directhex> evolution is terrible, and so is thunderbird
[13:51] <BigRedS> In general, mail clients are largely flawed
[13:51] <BigRedS> you've just got to find the one with the most agreeable flaws
[13:51] <BigRedS> I use Hastymail and mutt, which has reduced my swearing dramatically
[13:51] <BigRedS> er, Roundcube, not hastymail
[13:51] <SuperMatt> if I had my way, I'd use gmail for my work mail
[13:52] <SuperMatt> oh how I wish I could
[13:52] <SuperMatt> it's by far the best email client
[13:55] <directhex> thunderbird is basically impossible to deploy in an enterprise environment
[13:55] <directhex> and evolution is bugged beyond use
[13:56] <SuperMatt> agreed
[13:56] <SuperMatt> I use evolution though because at least it connects to exchange servers
[13:56] <BigRedS> does it? Last time I tried that (about five years ago) the exchange connector bit crashed about three times an hour and demanded I restart evolution
[13:57] <BigRedS> I just quetly enabled IMAP on the exchange server
[13:58] <diplo> BigRedS: :P
[13:58] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: it's working for me now, so that's the most I can tell you
[14:00] <AlanBell> is that the connector that screen scrapes the web interface of exchange?
[14:02] <BigRedS> yeah, that sounds familiar
[14:23] <Knightwise> Stupid mountain lion
[14:23] <SuperMatt> rawr
[14:51] <solarcloud> AlanBell, [the ref] was recently seen on Bulgarian TV http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/bulgarian-player-banned-body-check-referee-115402499.html  .. What are you doing on B-TV AlanBell ? :D
[15:01] <ddfgt> hi
[15:01] <ddfgt> i have a problem with script..
[15:02] <ddfgt> http://pastebin.ca/2289624
[15:02] <ddfgt> i try to learn how to make a list
[15:22] <ikonia> ddfgt: looks like a crappy forkbom
[15:22] <ikonia> bomb
[15:22] <ikonia> a poor attempt at one
[15:23] <ikonia> what do you expect that to do ?
[15:24] <dwatkins> echoing executes things from the list?
[15:24] <ikonia> just seems like a pointless loop
[15:25] <dwatkins> ah, backticks
[15:25] <ikonia> that's trying to build up a long string....
[15:25] <ikonia> gee I wonder what that's going to do
[15:26] <dwatkins> something wonderful....ly dangerous, no doubt
[15:26] <dwatkins> I think I'd trust it as far as I could throw my chair
[15:27] <ikonia> well considering ddfgt is claiming he's writing it to learn how to make a list, I smell a rat
[15:29] <dwatkins> seems like a cumbersome way to make a list, at very least.
[15:30] <popey> it does nothing harmful
[15:31] <popey> its just the symbols from the top line of the keyboard
[15:31] <dwatkins> ahh
[15:35] <selinium> hi all.. in the 12.10 desktop is the desktop sharing VNC?
[15:50] <SuperMatt> oooh, I see the compiz update has just landed :)
[16:20] <awilkins> Anyone made any progress on that stabbing-people-in-the-face-over-the-internet device?
[16:22] <jacobw2> awilkins: not much
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> hmm, http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-dave-brubeck-dead-20121205,0,7126256.column
[17:19]  * solarcloud is away: /me requires JuanValdez. BRBack...
[17:26]  * solarcloud is back (gone 00:07:02)
[17:30] <popey> solarcloud, could you turn that off pls
[17:31] <solarcloud> done.
[17:31] <popey> thanks
[17:48] <davidmarais> isfe
[17:56] <solarcloud> davidmarais, What did you say ?
[17:56] <davidmarais> I was on the wrong channel np :)
[17:57] <solarcloud> k
[18:22] <dubac0> umm i have an asus eeepc 1015pn it wont charge what can i do?
[18:22] <dwatkins> dubac0: does the power adapter LED turn on?
[18:23] <dubac0> yes
[18:23] <dubac0> its powered up on mains power
[18:23] <dwatkins> ah ok, sounds like the battery is the most likely candidate, although it might be the charging circuit, I Guess.
[18:24] <dwatkins> tried reseating the battery just in case?
[18:25] <dubac0> how?
[18:25] <dwatkins> power down the laptop, remove the battery (assuming you can do that) and put it back again
[18:26] <dubac0> 0k done that and restarting
[18:28] <dubac0> nope still the same
[18:28] <dw4tkins> bah
[18:29] <dw4tkins> is it definitely not charging, i.e. could it be a software problem with not registering the charge?
[18:29] <dw4tkins> otherwise I guess it's time to get a new battery.
[18:29] <dubac0> nope i left i "charging" for weeks
[18:30] <dubac0> nothing
[18:30] <dw4tkins> what OS are you running?
[18:31] <dubac0> xbuntu
[18:31] <dubac0> xubuntu*
[18:31] <dw4tkins> I assume if you power up and go into the BIOS (so that if it loses power no data is lost) and remove power, it does indeed power off straight away
[18:32] <dubac0> yeah
[18:32] <dubac0> its dependednt upon the cable
[18:32] <dw4tkins> oh?
[18:32] <dw4tkins> oh I see what you mean, it needs power
[18:33] <dw4tkins> I got a double-capacity battery for my Eee 901, it's not pretty but it lasts 8 hours.
[19:19] <jacobw2> holy crap batman penn and teller are awesome
[19:20] <jacobw2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iom97u078
[20:04] <solarcloud> jacobw2, How far into the video are they (minutes) ??
[20:08] <jacobw2> solarcloud: all the way through
[20:08] <jacobw2> solarcloud: their actual performance starts at about 36 minutes
[20:08] <solarcloud> Oh, Isee thought it was about batman, for a minute .. ^_^
[20:09] <jacobw2> i can see how you'd make that mistake
[20:09] <jacobw2> (not really)
[20:10] <ddfgt> hi
[20:11] <ddfgt> how i can print 2 things in python in the same line..
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> ddfgt: by using stdout.write() instead of print
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> ddfgt: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3263672/python-the-difference-between-sys-stdout-write-and-print
[20:12] <ddfgt> this is what i did
[20:13] <ddfgt> a = 2.0        print "a=" a
[20:13] <ddfgt> i want to get something like that
[20:13] <jacobw2> print "a={a}".format(a=a)
[20:13] <ddfgt> a=2.0
[20:14] <ddfgt> what is the format?
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> ddfgt: that's called a format, yes :)
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> ddfgt: http://docs.python.org/2/library/string.html#format-specification-mini-language
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> ddfgt: Google is your friend ;)
[20:15] <jacobw2> in python, the string type has the format method which can subsitute labels with variables
[20:15] <jacobw2> and many other things :|
[20:16] <ddfgt> i'm to new to python..
[20:16] <jacobw2> it's good thing to be new to
[20:17] <ddfgt> what so good in that?
[20:17] <jacobw2> it fun and useful
[23:00] <solarcloud> receipt says : 1.lt of Pepsi Max . I say, : Awesome at 11p.m. compliling.
[23:00] <solarcloud> **compiling..
[23:00] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud: compiling? I just finished releasing + huge db migration :)
[23:01] <solarcloud> MartijnVdS,   No Pepsi Max = Not Awesome [period]
[23:03] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud: meh, I gave up soft drinks a long time ago
[23:03] <MartijnVdS> Tea or beer for me ;)
[23:04] <MonsterKiller> how does one get a cronjob to run ever hour?
[23:04] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: 0 */2 * * * echo "It's `date`. Do you know where your children are?"
[23:04] <MartijnVdS> oh every hour?
[23:04] <MonsterKiller> yeah
[23:04] <MartijnVdS> 0 * * * *
[23:05] <MartijnVdS> "on the 0th minute of every hour of every day of every month"
[23:05] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: see "man 5 crontab" for more example
[23:05] <MartijnVdS> s
[23:05] <MonsterKiller> ah okay, thanks. i was reading around and saw that * 0 * * * was every hour and wondered why it didnt work :p
[23:06] <MartijnVdS> no,
[23:06] <MartijnVdS> * 0 * * * = every minute of the 0th hour of the day
[23:06] <MartijnVdS> so 0:00 - 0:59
[23:06] <MonsterKiller> ah kk. ty
[23:06] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: again, man 5 crontab for enlightenment
[23:06] <MonsterKiller> :p
[23:32] <solarcloud> Question: Anyone else see it tonite ? http://goo.gl/Oknyu
[23:34] <MonsterKiller> whats that5
[23:34] <AlanBell> lunar eclipse?
[23:35] <MonsterKiller> cant see it
[23:35] <MonsterKiller> :/
[23:36] <solarcloud> AlanBell, Possibly lunar correct, take a looksie. Should be in the North East direction ?
[23:37] <solarcloud> (if your in the Rutland Area)
[23:39] <AlanBell> too low for me
[23:40]  * solarcloud is ordering a tripod as we speak .. sorry for the bluryness.
[23:40] <AlanBell> moon is due east
[23:40] <AlanBell> quite low to the horizon
[23:41] <solarcloud> Ahh .. AlanBell has better celestial navigation App. than solarcloud does ..
[23:41] <AlanBell> google sky maps on a Nexus 7 :)
[23:42] <solarcloud> Ubuntu on Nexus 7 .. you in the Nexus-7 team ?
[23:44] <AlanBell> android on nexus 7
[23:44] <solarcloud> AlanBell, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7
[23:44] <AlanBell> but anyone can put ubuntu on the n7
[23:44] <AlanBell> yeah, I have had a play with it
[23:45] <solarcloud> Awesome.. I was at the meeting last week on #ubuntu-meeting (should be in your google calendar, I guess)..
[23:47] <solarcloud> AlanBell, I used to see you on G+ hangout once every so-often .. Been quite quiet lately ?
[23:49] <andbittin> Just got home from UK and listning to the podcast
[23:49] <solarcloud> address ?
[23:50] <AlanBell> I don't do G+ hangouts much, you might be confusing me with someone else
[23:50] <andbittin> solarcloud: hm?
[23:52] <solarcloud> AlanBell, You don't be you did do one that I was interacting with last week or So. with a couple of Ubuntu-ists from America .. Your office looked nice , We had an indian ask about your webcam (in a strangely unenglish way) .. I enjoyed it.
[23:52] <solarcloud> andbittin, address of the podcast, matey.
[23:53] <solarcloud> **You don't but ..
[23:54] <andbittin> solarcloud: podcast.ubuntu-uk.org
[23:54]  * solarcloud thinks G+ #hangouts should beat skype soon in meeting new persons.
[23:54] <solarcloud> opening...
[23:56] <solarcloud> odd domain name, but the Dude Abides :D
[23:57] <AlanBell> solarcloud: ah yes, that hangout :) was a warmup for the ubuntu on air thing I did
[23:57] <solarcloud> Ahh Ok . love to org. another one :)
[23:57] <AlanBell> I don't do any regular hangouts or videocasts really
[23:58] <AlanBell> hangouts can be fun, just helps if you have a plan of what to talk about
[23:58] <solarcloud> You should . it's a good way to find source.