[05:07] <superfly> Morning Kilos
[05:07] <Kilos> morning superfly  and others
[05:09] <mazal> Morning guys
[05:09] <superfly> Yo mazal
[05:09] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:12] <superfly> Kilos: so, my company's year end dinner is going to be a train ride to Kalkbay, and then lunch at a restaurant there.
[05:12] <Kilos> lol hopefully not a train that gets stuck all over
[05:13] <superfly> Kilos: yeah, hopefully not
[05:15] <Kilos> havent you had enough of train rides superfly ?
[05:15] <Kilos> tell them to bring yours in a doggy bag
[05:15] <Kilos> hehe
[05:16] <superfly> :-P
[05:17] <superfly> Kilos: it's just around the corner from where we live
[05:17] <Kilos> ah thats good
[05:17] <Kilos> so early home for once
[05:18] <superfly> I don't know... Probably not much earlier
[05:18] <superfly> Oh, and the mrs and the boys will be coming too
[05:19] <Kilos> great
[05:19] <superfly> Ah yes, I remember now, vandalism at Claremont = delays
[05:20] <Kilos> ai
[05:20] <mazal> My work is not even having a year end at all
[05:21] <superfly> It looks like we're just outside claremont anyways
[05:21] <superfly> mazal: we're a startup, and we *just* got funding
[05:22] <superfly> and we're moving again. See Kilos, nothing to worry about
[05:22] <Kilos> hehe
[05:25]  * superfly is wearing shorts to work again today... Too hot for jeans today
[05:25] <mazal> Lucky fish
[05:25] <superfly> Daar's hy! Claremont station
[05:28] <Kilos> hmm
[05:31] <barrydk> Good morning all
[05:31] <mazal> more B
[05:48] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[05:50] <barrydk> More  Kilos
[05:51] <barrydk> Waar kom die Kilos vandaan is dit gewig of afstand?
[05:58] <Squirm> lo
[05:59] <mazal> Morning Squirm 
[05:59] <Squirm> superfly: now that it's school holidays, I tend to wear shorts most days
[05:59] <Squirm> to work
[06:03] <barrydk> I wish i can come to work in shorts
[06:06] <Squirm> and slops
[06:06] <Squirm> though, I'm waiting to be spoken to about it :P
[06:07] <superfly> our CEO came to work in shorts and slops the other day
[06:08] <mazal> Then you are safe to do it as well :)
[06:08] <Squirm> mazal: no necessarily, CEO is the CEO
[06:09] <Kilos> barrydk, i started as miles but someone already had that nick
[06:09] <Kilos> so we just metricated
[06:10] <barrydk> ok but what does it stand for
[06:10] <Kilos> hmmm
[06:10] <Kilos> moet afstand wees. eks nie vet nie
[06:11] <Kilos> 86 kgs
[06:11] <barrydk> ok ouderdom?
[06:11] <Kilos> ya ouderdom pas
[06:11] <Kilos> 61
[06:11] <mazal> Sjoe oom is lekker streamline
[06:12] <barrydk> ok so ek moet dan ook maar oom se
[06:12] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[06:12] <Kilos> dit pla my nie
[06:13] <Kilos> ek soek die kortste pad met tik werk
[06:14] <Kilos> Squirm, normally if the CEO does something it is accepted as an example he is setting
[06:14] <barrydk> ja diekant ook maar, maar die sleutelbord is darem baaaaie beter as de selfoon s'n
[06:14] <Kilos> and mooiriver can get kinda hot at times
[06:15] <Kilos> ja
[06:15] <Squirm> I can't see our CEO wearing shorts
[06:15] <Kilos> ek tik 2 fingers en moet kyk waar die letters is
[06:16] <barrydk> ja as ek tik lyk dit ook soos 'n hoender wat mielies pik
[06:16] <Kilos> aw well if he sees you in shorts 3 times and says nothing you are most likely safe
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe
[06:17] <Kilos> superfly, what do you say about ddrescue
[06:18] <superfly> Kilos: don't know it, never used it
[06:19] <Kilos> trying it will let you know
[06:19] <Kilos> i know you stay away from dd commands
[06:19] <mazal> Still that 2TB drive ?
[06:19] <Kilos> yip mazal 
[06:19]  * mazal dunno ddrescue either
[06:19] <Squirm> .:Kilos:. superfly, what do you say about ddrescue
[06:19] <Squirm> it's good
[06:20] <Kilos> gotta make drive accept any os so i can try a firmware upgrade
[06:20] <Kilos> oh you used it Squirm 
[06:20] <Kilos> thats nice to know
[06:20] <Squirm> Kilos: http://surrey.lug.org.uk/kb/datarecovery
[06:21] <Kilos> im just trying to rescue the important parts of the drive so i can do an install
[06:21] <Squirm> it's written by a guy I know from the surrey lug
[06:21] <Kilos> ah ty
[06:22] <Squirm> my favorite recovery program might be foremost though. ok, it recovers files and numbers them randomely, but it has their extensions. I've picked up files off pretty bad drives with it
[06:22] <Kilos> i got a prob. the drive is 2 tb and im trying to fix it from 160g
[06:22] <Kilos> tried them all
[06:22] <Squirm> Kilos: what do you mean?
[06:23] <Kilos> foemost scalpel testdisk 
[06:23] <Kilos> im not running from cd im using my 160 gig drive to work on a 2 TB drive
[06:24] <Kilos> the prob is in the 2 TB drives firmware
[06:25] <Kilos> http://forums.seagate.com/t5/Samsung-Internal-Drives/HD204UI-Firmware-patch/m-p/142695
[06:26] <Kilos> the more i tried to install ubuntu the more it marked bad sectors, till the i/o error comes up all the time
[06:27] <Kilos> im not  trying to save any data off it. just want it to work and accept ubuntu
[06:28] <Kilos> i have the patch but the i/o error must be fixed first
[06:32] <Squirm> oh
[06:32] <Squirm> fsck?
[06:33] <Kilos> tried it
[06:33] <Kilos> fsck -f /dev/sdb
[06:34] <Kilos> then i saw one site says dont use fsck till other stuff is fixed first
[06:34] <Kilos> hehe
[06:41] <Kilos> and some sites first want you cell number and play music. so i dont waste data trying to see what their cure is
[06:43] <Kilos> and smartmon tools wants $39
[06:43] <Kilos> swines
[06:52] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[07:12] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:12] <Kilos> hi timkeller 
[07:12] <Kilos> and jrgns 
[07:14] <inetpro> good morning world
[07:14]  * inetpro greets the folk before getting into trouble with Kilos
[07:16] <mazal> Morning inetpro 
[07:22] <jrgns> hi Kilos
[07:22] <jrgns> morning inetpro
[07:23] <Kilos> hiya inetpro 
[07:23] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[07:23] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:24] <henkj> morning peeps
[08:12] <maiatoday> hi everyone
[08:12] <maiatoday> don't be alarmed if our team expires, I sent all the emails and we are on the next meeting slot
[08:12] <maiatoday> If all goes well we will be official again soon
[08:14] <Kilos> oh my\
[08:14] <mazal> Hi maia , thank you for all the efforts
[08:27] <Kilos> inetpro, so what was the troubleshooting yesterday?
[08:27] <Kilos> who did what wrong
[08:29] <inetpro> Kilos: a long story
[08:30] <Kilos> ai
[08:30] <charl_> good morning
[08:30] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:30] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[08:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:31] <charl_> hi Kilos, inetpro
[08:31] <charl_> hi maiatoday 
[08:31] <inetpro> the day basically started with problems the moment I stepped into the office and there was just no end to it
[08:31] <inetpro> not just one issue
[08:31] <maiatoday> hi charl_
[08:31] <Kilos> ai
[08:33] <charl_> hi zeref 
[08:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[08:34] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:34] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:39] <inetpro> Kilos: anything and everything in one day, bandwidth issues, networking issues, proxy issues, software upgrade issues, anti-virus, etc, etc
[08:39] <inetpro> oh and having to deal with impatient users on top of everything
[08:40] <inetpro> fun and games
[08:40] <mazal> Impatient users , tooooo many of those
[08:40] <mazal> And picnic users
[08:41] <barrydk> id10t
[08:43] <zeref> Hi charl_ 
[08:45] <Kilos> ai inetpro that sucks but you still kicking so all is good
[08:46] <inetpro> Kilos: hehe, the only problem is when you reach the end of the day and you ask yourself what have I done today
[08:47] <Kilos> well you can list it all
[08:47] <Kilos> make a hard copy on paper and read it when you wonder those things
[08:48] <barrydk> Kilos what keeps you busy all day 
[08:49] <Kilos> cooking shepherding washing dishes and watering my strawberries and chilis
[08:50] <Kilos> and fiddling with pc's
[08:50] <barrydk> ok are you on  plot
[08:50] <Kilos> ya
[08:50] <Kilos> west of pta
[08:52] <barrydk> ok sounds nice. Hows the crime in your area
[08:53] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[08:53] <Kilos> not bad actually. only been 2 murders about 5 ks away
[08:53] <inetpro> Kilos: on such days there's not even time for coffee
[08:53] <Kilos> ai inetpro thats tough
[08:54] <Kilos> and sheep stolen at christmas time
[08:54] <Kilos> inetpro, who does it when you are on leave
[08:54] <Kilos> ?
[08:56] <barrydk> Ya we had a burglary last week almost 200 000 rands worth of tools stolen. Some other plots and farms in and around town were also burglared recently. Crime shot up the last few weeks, looks they are busy with afirnative shopping
[08:57] <Kilos> ouch
[08:57] <barrydk> Thats why they call a sheep a take away
[08:57] <Kilos> lol
[08:58] <barrydk> 3 years ago they stole 28 of our sheep, cut their throats and load them on a 1400 bakkie. That wasn't a nice sight
[08:59] <Kilos> yeah things arent good for farmers
[09:00] <Kilos> when i was running a beef farm outside rustenburg they used to tie cows to a tree or fence pole and cut hind quarrters of and duck
[09:00] <Kilos> off
[09:00] <barrydk> Bad. i don't know how one can be o cruel.
[09:01] <Kilos> cruel is just another word to them
[09:02] <barrydk> without meaning
[09:11] <Kilos> hmm modem just disconnected
[09:15] <Symmetria> hrm, does anyone have any good hints as to the best way to trace memory leaks in C code
[09:18] <henkj> Symmetria valgrind
[09:19] <Symmetria> thanks, will take a look, I may have found the issue though, but will take a coupla hours to se
[09:19] <Symmetria> dont think I was clearing one of my postgres result checks
[09:20] <Symmetria> :P if its not using 3 gigs of ram in 4 hours, I fixed it
[09:20] <Symmetria> heh, come to the conclusion though that Im gonna have to start adding a few threaded db queues to this thing though to try and speed it up
[09:21] <Symmetria> takes just over 40 minutes to actually start at the moment
[09:22] <henkj> how much memory is it supposed to use?
[09:23] <Symmetria> heh, bout 500meg
[09:24] <Symmetria> well, actually depends on how many data feeds Im throwing into it, if I go up to like, 9 feeds, it could get to over a gig
[09:24] <henkj> so  pretty serious memory leak
[09:24] <Symmetria> at the moment though, feeding it two full tables, its hitting about 450 - 500meg on startup, and 9 hours later is using 3.3gig
[09:24] <Symmetria> :p
[09:24] <henkj> a*
[09:24] <Symmetria> yeah, as I said, pretty damn sure its got to do with not clearing a database query result 
[09:25] <Symmetria> and at the rate this thing runs queries, it could easily use that kinda memory
[09:25] <Symmetria> lol, its executing 900 thousand database queries just on startup
[09:25] <Symmetria> 13950 quagga    20   0  170m  80m 2324 S  29,9  1,0   1:48.56 bgpd
[09:26] <Symmetria> so far so good though with 200k routes outta 900k built 
[09:26] <henkj> those poor dbs :P
[09:41] <Symmetria> ARGH FUCK, *looks for some dry clothes to wear*, my damn dog was outside playing in the rain and just came and launched herself into my lap soaking wet
[09:41] <Symmetria> 32 kilograms of dripping wet very excited puppy dog
[09:50] <magespawn> morning all
[09:50] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[09:51] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[09:51] <magespawn> i think to do a frimware upgrade you can connect the drive to a working pc
[09:52] <Kilos> http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223571en
[09:53] <Kilos> im kinda bang and first gotta see if ddrescue can rescue something so that the patch cd can see the drive not give i/o error
[09:54] <Kilos> just takes long
[09:54] <Kilos> oh and that logfile is for it to use with next command so it doesnt redo what it has done
[09:56] <Kilos> would have liked to have tried ddrescue on a small drive first to see and try understand
[10:01] <Kilos> hmmm peer got him
[10:12] <Kilos> where did you get that info magespawn_ it would be easier from a working pc methinks
[11:16] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:16] <magespawn> power probs
[11:17] <magespawn> i have written a short piece for our local newspaper on FOSS what do yo guys think?
[11:17] <magespawn> http://slexy.org/view/s201h1ddYf
[11:17] <magespawn> I was resticted to 350 words
[11:18] <magespawn> bbl go to go get kids.
[12:07] <Kilos> looks good magespawn 
[12:16] <magespawn> hey Kilos ty
[12:20] <mazal> Nice magespawn 
[12:22] <magespawn> i would like to write more but the limit is 350 words for now
[12:22] <magespawn> ty mazal
[12:30] <mazal> Ja there is so much to say about open source hey
[12:33] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a good evening
[12:34] <mazal> God bless
[12:34] <Kilos> you too mazal 
[12:34] <Kilos> ty
[12:56] <Kilos> interwebs not so stable again
[14:16] <charl_> ah interesting, i got 500mb of free internet from voda http://gratisblox.nl/
[14:16] <charl_> they seem to be desperate to try and sell people internet
[14:40] <Symmetria> crap
[14:40] <Symmetria> haha I ended up with a rather nice problem
[14:41] <Symmetria> IDCG published an article of mine recently
[14:41] <Symmetria> it generated 1300 business queries to myself
[14:41] <Symmetria> Im a one man company and have no concept of who I would hire to help with this shit
[14:41] <Symmetria> haha
[14:41] <Symmetria> response was slightly greater than anticipated
[14:42] <Kilos> lol
[14:48] <Symmetria> heh for anyone interested in the african internet
[14:48] <Symmetria> http://idc-g.com/downloads/IDC-G_Newsletter04_Fall:Winter2012.pdf
[14:48] <Symmetria> the article I wrote is the one about the African cause
[15:00] <inetpro> magespawn: Free and open-source software (FOSS) or free/libre/open-source software (FLOSS) 
[15:01] <inetpro> not F.O.S.S
[15:04]  * superfly just calls it "open source" because he leans toward being pragmatic
[15:05] <inetpro> I can agree with that, it's short and sweet, sadly often abused
[15:06] <inetpro> or misused
[15:07] <magespawn> inetpro so just remove the full stops?
[15:08] <superfly> inetpro: when talking to plebians, it is easier to talk about "open source" as it is often unheard of. "free software" just means gratis software to most people
[15:08] <inetpro> yep
[15:08] <inetpro> magespawn: those dots are just not right, but superfly is also right
[15:09] <magespawn> I should be doing more articles along the same sort of lines, so the concepts will be more deeply explored and explained
[15:09] <magespawn> hopefully i will also be able to get more words
[15:09] <inetpro> magespawn: for interest sake, where will it be published?
[15:10] <magespawn> just a local community newspaper called The District Network
[15:10] <inetpro> nice
[15:11] <superfly> magespawn: did you put down your contact details for support?
[15:12] <magespawn> not on the article no, but i am running an ad at the same time for the shop
[15:12] <magespawn> benefits of a small community 
[15:12] <superfly> ah, OK
[15:14] <Kilos> they only got telephones 6 months ago guys
[15:15] <superfly> Ohi Ludo
[15:16] <magespawn> lol 
[15:17] <magespawn> seriously they still had a manual exchange like 15 years ago
[15:17] <Kilos> hehe
[15:18] <Kilos> magespawn, 
[15:18] <Kilos> rescued:         0 B,  errsize:  10737 MB,  current rate:        0 B/s
[15:18] <Kilos>    ipos:    33818 MB,   errors:       1,    average rate:        0 B/s
[15:18] <Kilos>    opos:    33818 MB,     time from last successful read:    10.6 h
[15:19] <Kilos> after every command it shows only 1 error
[15:19] <Kilos> am i reading it right
[15:26] <superfly> magespawn: still looking for an editor for your article?
[15:33] <magespawn> okay superfly
[15:34] <magespawn> Kilos but does not look like it has recovered anything
[15:34] <superfly> I'll check it out later this evening - on the train right now
[15:34] <Kilos> oh my goodness after all them hours
[15:35] <magespawn> cool i need to send if off today sometime before 12 ahould be okay
[15:35] <Kilos> maybe that one error is the I/O error
[15:36] <superfly> OK.
[15:45] <magespawn> Kilos not sure what ipos and opos stand for but it looks like the errsize is 10737 mb 
[15:46] <magespawn> what program was this Kilos?
[15:47] <Symmetria> http://www.e-allmoney.com/banknotes/eur/img/iceland1.jpg
[15:47] <Symmetria> ^^^ funniest bank note I have
[15:47] <Symmetria> :P that dude has balls growing on his face
[15:49] <Kerbero> perhaps they call that thing a "pusund"
[15:49] <Kerbero> or pusXXX in short :P
[15:50] <Symmetria> http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/stephen-colbert-offers-donald-trump-1000000
[15:50] <Symmetria> man that was some hilarious tv
[15:52] <Kilos> ddrescue
[15:53] <Kilos> ddrescue -i30GiB -s10GiB /dev/sdb hdimage logfile
[15:53] <Symmetria> btw Kilos
[15:53] <Symmetria> you know I said I had that memory leak?
[15:53] <Kilos> yes Symmetria ?
[15:53] <Symmetria> 13950 quagga    20   0  376m 286m 2336 S   1,0  3,6  20:37.20 bgpd
[15:53] <Symmetria> <3 
[15:53] <Symmetria> I fixed it
[15:53] <Kilos> good man
[15:54] <Symmetria> heh 376meg is better than 3gig
[15:54] <Symmetria> :p
[15:54] <Kilos> very much so
[15:55] <magespawn> Kilos did it make the logfile/
[15:55] <magespawn> ?
[15:55] <Kerbero> i memory leaked to about 24GB on a 16GB machine last week
[15:55] <Kilos> yes magespawn 
[15:55] <Kilos> but dont ask me where
[15:55] <Kilos> and its still running
[15:55] <magespawn> ah well let it run if you can 
[15:55] <Kilos> yeah i am
[15:56] <magespawn> then lets see if we can locate the logfile is and when it finishes
[15:56] <Kilos> 11.2 hours so far
[15:56] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero I had a problem where I wasnt freeing up memory from DB queries
[15:56] <Kilos> lol must i leave out the next 3 commands
[15:56] <Symmetria> so every 4 or 5 hours I was leaking 3 or 4 gigs of ram 
[15:56] <Kilos> Symmetria, leaking how and where to?
[15:57] <Symmetria> Kilos I'd forgotten to PQclear() after getting result sets outta postgres 
[15:57] <magespawn> do you have to run those commands immediatly or are they to run on the logfile
[15:57] <Symmetria> so query result, finish with it, and then overwrite it wihtout clearing up
[15:57] <Kilos> i think they remain there so next time dd will go on from there mage
[15:58] <Symmetria> but its done a little over 2.2 million DB queries since I started it this run
[15:58] <Symmetria> and still sitting happy at < 400meg of ram
[15:58] <Symmetria> so Im happy
[15:58] <Kilos> great fix the whole internet now
[15:58] <Symmetria> works out at under 200meg of ram per global routing feed
[15:59] <Kilos> did you rhetorically remember to update that ubuntu thing?
[16:00] <Symmetria> oh the local repo at my house, heh, lol, no havent gotten to that
[16:00] <Symmetria> I was busy optimizing my db :P
[16:00] <Symmetria> but I now have it moving *FAST*
[16:00] <Symmetria> bgptracker=# select count(*) from tracker;
[16:00] <Symmetria>   count
[16:00] <Symmetria> ---------
[16:00] <Symmetria>  2140664
[16:00] <Symmetria> (1 row)
[16:00] <Symmetria> Time: 214,332 ms
[16:00] <Symmetria> bgptracker=#
[16:00] <Symmetria> heh, 214.3ms to count 2.1 million records
[16:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:02] <Symmetria> heh, can also run this in under half a second:
[16:02] <Symmetria> bgptracker=# select distinct prefix,count(prefix) from tracker where withdrawl='1' group by prefix order by count(prefix) desc;
[16:02] <Symmetria>  178.248.238.0/24   |  1269
[16:02] <Symmetria>  93.181.254.0/23    |  1249
[16:02] <Symmetria>  151.118.254.0/24   |  1024
[16:02] <Symmetria>  151.118.255.0/24   |  1024
[16:02] <Symmetria>  151.118.18.0/24    |  1017
[16:02] <Symmetria> ^^^ worlds most unstable internet prefix's at the moment
[16:02] <Symmetria> heh and entire query took 389ms
[16:05] <magespawn> okay Kilos I am off home will chat later
[16:05] <Kilos> cool . go safe magespawn \
[16:05] <Kerbero> 151.118, is that perhaps SA?
[16:05] <Kilos> how far do you go?
[16:07] <Symmetria> hrm Kerbero lemme check where that is
[16:08] <Kerbero> what database do you use for bgptracker?
[16:09] <Symmetria> postgres
[16:09] <Symmetria> thats an international prefix
[16:09] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[16:10] <Kerbero> ok
[16:10] <Symmetria>  151.118.254.0/24 | 9009 174 209 3909 3909 3909
[16:10] <Symmetria>  151.118.254.0/24 | 9009 3257 209 3909 3909 3909
[16:11] <Symmetria> announced by Qwest
[16:11] <Symmetria> ASNumber:       3908 - 3910
[16:11] <Symmetria> ASName:         QWEST-AS-3908
[16:11] <Symmetria> ASHandle:       AS3908
[16:11] <Symmetria> OrgName:        Qwest Communications Company, LLC
[16:11] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero its pretty nifty what I can see in bgp tracker
[16:11] <Symmetria> instant access to figure out who is announcing what 
[16:12] <Symmetria> and how stable it is
[16:12] <Kerbero> you can basically plot the entire graph of the internet live
[16:12] <Kerbero> would be really interesting to see that on a website
[16:12] <Symmetria> Kerbero heh, I can tell you about every single change in the global table yes
[16:12] <Symmetria> Kerbero working on that 
[16:12] <Symmetria> :P my html/css sucks though so Im having to teach myself as I go along 
[16:13] <Symmetria> heh, the php / javascript coding is easy, but the actual layout and design shit, that stuff isg etting to me :p
[16:13] <Kerbero> yeah i know
[16:13] <Kerbero> it's the same for me
[16:14] <Symmetria> heh, Im actually developing bgp tracker as a proper product 
[16:14] <Symmetria> so I'll be able to sell a service where you can feed me a bgp feed from your routers and I'll give you an interface to analyze the internet from your specific network perspective
[16:15] <Symmetria> then at the same time working on a more public version which will let a client of a particular ISP take a look at stuff from their ISP's perspective
[16:15] <Symmetria> like right now, I can tell you the path to anywhere from an IS perspective sinec I have all their data
[16:15] <Symmetria> it just requires the ISPs to actually feed me the bgp 
[17:24] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w magespawn_ Vince-0 psydroid 
[17:25] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:57] <Ludo> Kilos, so I get no hi?!
[17:58] <Kilos> lol hi there ludo
[17:58] <Kilos> i thought you just wanna lurk in the quiet
[17:58] <Kilos> peeps greet you everyday
[17:59] <Kilos> are you only active at night ludo
[17:59] <Kilos> ??
[18:00] <Kilos> coooweeee
[18:01] <Kilos> hmm we need a nudge thing on irc thats shakes the whole screen around
[18:02] <Kilos> SmilyBorg_w, why you at work still?
[18:03] <Kilos> or is it an auto boot pc after power off?
[18:08] <Kilos> Maaz, ping Ludo 
[18:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host Ludo
[18:09] <Kilos> Maaz,  ping ~ludolphn@41-133-214-4.dsl.mweb.co.za
[18:09] <Maaz> Kilos: Error: unknown host ~ludolphn@41-133-214-4.dsl.mweb.co.za
[18:09] <Kilos> hehe
[18:10] <magespawn_> hey Kilos
[18:18] <smile> :)
[18:19] <magespawn> Maaz ping 41.133.214.4
[18:19] <Maaz> magespawn: 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4032ms
[18:20] <magespawn> gues that is not an ip then
[18:20] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[18:20] <Maaz> You are welcome magespawn
[18:20] <Kilos> hi smile 
[18:20] <magespawn> Maaz ping gnc.no-ip.biz
[18:20] <Maaz> magespawn: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4004ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 223.841/223.990/224.334/0.460 ms
[18:21] <smile> hi oom kilos :)
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <smile> any new testimonials? :)
[18:21] <magespawn> hi smile
[18:21] <smile> hi, magespawn 
[18:21] <smile> :)
[18:25] <inetpro> good evening
[18:25] <Kilos> evening inetpro 
[18:26] <inetpro> tumbleweed: nice testimonial, thanks!
[18:26] <Kilos> aw i didnt see
[18:28] <smile> inetpro: do you love him? :p
[18:28] <inetpro> huh?
[18:28] <inetpro> smile: are you ok?
[18:29] <tumbleweed> inetpro: np
[18:29]  * tumbleweed is busy mucking around with Ubuntu on an ARM-based chromebook. It's pretty neat
[18:29] <inetpro> tumbleweed: that sounds like fun, what speed?
[18:30] <smile> inetpro: just a bit tired :)
[18:30] <Kilos> ty tumbles
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: hy dink seker ek is skeef of iets?
[18:30] <tumbleweed> inetpro: 2x 1.6GHz ARMv7 cores, 2G RAM
[18:30] <Kilos> nee
[18:31] <smile> Kilos: ja? :p
[18:32] <tumbleweed> inetpro: the exynos 5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_%28system_on_chip%29
[18:32] <inetpro> interesting
[18:33] <tumbleweed> it would be a totally awesome machine with decent I/O, but I'm running on an SD card, so I/O is dog slow
[18:34] <Kilos> inetpro, did you have a better day today?
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: oh much better thanks
[18:35] <inetpro> but still rough
[18:35] <Kilos> yay
[18:35] <inetpro> to much to do, to little time
[18:35] <Kilos> thats the good thing about bad days
[18:35] <Kilos> they make normal days feel good
[18:36] <Vince-0> hello* was afk
[18:36] <Kilos> np
[18:36] <inetpro> wb Vince-0
[18:36] <inetpro> tumbleweed: a Samsung device?
[18:37] <tumbleweed> inetpro: yeah
[18:38] <inetpro> sounds like fun
[18:39] <inetpro> tumbleweed: why on an SD card?
[18:40] <tumbleweed> inetpro: so I can dual boot. Only got yesterday, don't know the bootloader yet. The on-board storage is eMMC, not sure how much faster it'll be
[18:40] <inetpro> ah
[18:43] <Kilos> big storm coming inetpro 
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: still coming?
[18:44] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:44]  * inetpro thought it was here already
[18:44] <Kilos> hmm
[18:45] <Kilos> oh ya coming from your side tonight
[18:45] <Kilos> maybe some hail
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: just a bit of a strong wind here
[18:49] <inetpro> at the moment that is
[18:49] <Kilos> no thunder??
[18:49] <inetpro> no serious stuff no
[18:49] <Kilos> its banging somewhere
[18:50] <inetpro> ok, now some
[18:51] <inetpro> BTW I think tomorrow we'll see some chaos on the roads in Gautengeleng
[18:51] <Kilos> why whats happening
[18:51] <Kilos> optog
[18:52] <magespawn> e-toll protest?
[18:52] <inetpro> tweets are telling me a big story about etolls
[18:52] <Kilos> ah
[18:52] <magespawn> slow drive on the highway i think is the plan
[18:53] <Kilos> i go crash now and hope the power doesnt cut ddrescue in half
[18:53] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[18:53] <inetpro> eish
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: good luck and good night
[18:53] <Kilos> ty you too
[18:55] <inetpro> tumbleweed: how much did you get that for?
[18:55] <inetpro> and where?
[19:02] <inetpro> wb Ludo
[19:08] <tumbleweed> inetpro: some dodgy person on bidorbuy, R3k
[19:09] <inetpro> yikes
[19:09] <tumbleweed> I tried to get one when I was in london, but they sold out at the PCworld I visited, a couple of hours before I got there
[19:10] <inetpro> when February comes I will have to make a decision
[19:10] <inetpro> Nexus 10 or Note II
[19:10] <inetpro> or something else
[19:11] <inetpro> am leaning towards the Note 2 at this stage
[19:11] <inetpro> to replace me Nexus S
[19:12] <inetpro> guess I can't really use the tablet for a phone
[19:14] <tumbleweed> yeah, you want a phone for that :)
[19:14] <tumbleweed> the nexus tablets are nice toys, though
[19:14] <magespawn> lol
[19:15] <magespawn> might be old but i love the n900
[19:19] <magespawn> when do you guys think we will get to phones where we are with pc? able to choose the os?
[19:20]  * inetpro at this stage would really love a android device with a full keyboard and good battery life 
[19:20] <inetpro> ultimately with full ubuntu, but we still have some way to go before we get there
[19:21] <inetpro> magespawn: I guess if the likes of tumbleweed are playing with Ubuntu on these devices it's not so far off
[19:23] <magespawn> i use the hackers keyboard on my flyer
[19:23] <tumbleweed> most of these devices run linux anyway, so running a custom userland isn't too hard
[19:25] <magespawn> indeed but to make it easy that would be key to get it going everywhere
[19:29] <tumbleweed> installing ubuntu on nexus 7s is rediculously easy
[19:30] <inetpro> tumbleweed: but is it practicable?
[19:30] <tumbleweed> not yet
[19:31] <tumbleweed> but they gave nexus 7s to all the canonical employees at UDS
[19:31] <tumbleweed> so I'd expect it to get better
[19:31] <inetpro> that's what I thought
[19:31] <inetpro> hope we get there soon :-)
[19:31] <tumbleweed> it's totally usable, until your mouse gets locked "clicked"
[19:31] <tumbleweed> but if you have a USB mouse, I guess that's solveable
[19:32] <tumbleweed> and unless you have very nimble fingers, it's not particularly touch friendly
[19:33] <magespawn> i did use android on the n900 for awhile, but did not run smoothly
[19:33] <magespawn> have not tried any of the others yet
[19:33] <smile> byee guys :D
[19:33] <smile> good night :)
[19:33] <magespawn> cheers smile
[19:33] <smile> :)
[19:33] <smile> see ya :)
[19:34] <inetpro> bye smile
[19:34] <smile> sleep good :)
[19:34] <magespawn> how is this http://www.zdnet.com/25-gpus-devour-password-hashes-at-up-to-348-billion-per-second-7000008368/
[19:34] <inetpro> Android has come a long way and has become a very versatile OS
[19:36] <inetpro> but a native Linux would be my preferred OS on a mobile device somewhere in the future
[19:37] <magespawn> now that would be awesome
[19:43] <magespawn> as a side i installed a version of midnight commander on the n900
[19:48] <inetpro> superfly: you don't perhaps have a way to find how drubin produced those irc stats last time around?
[19:48] <superfly> inetpro: no
[19:48] <inetpro> maybe a search in the old logs or something
[19:49] <superfly> inetpro: I could pull all my IRC conversations, but then we'd have to figure some way of making them insto stats
[19:49] <superfly> inetpro: do you have a link to the old reapproval application?
[19:49] <inetpro> superfly: last link in the topic
[19:49] <magespawn> . http://www.zdnet.com/in-just-three-years-android-has-crushed-the-smartphone-competition-7000007447/
[19:50] <superfly> inetpro: the old one, not the currnet one
[19:50] <inetpro> ahh, wait
[19:51] <inetpro> superfly: I think it is this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication?action=show&redirect=ZATeam%2FApprovalApplication
[19:52] <inetpro> yes, that is also linked in the new approval application
[19:52] <superfly> inetpro: ah, probably a general estimate
[19:53] <inetpro> superfly: you don't think it's something that reads the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ ?
[19:56] <superfly> oooo, pretty
[19:57] <inetpro> superfly: what?
[19:57] <superfly> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/12/05/%23ubuntu-za.html
[20:01] <inetpro> superfly: what about that?
[20:01] <magespawn> superfly how did you do that?
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn: how did he dow what?
[20:02] <inetpro> those logs have been around for ever
[20:02] <magespawn> thats almost how it looks in an irc client
[20:03] <magespawn> but with that colouring?
[20:03] <inetpro> magespawn: yes
[20:04] <inetpro> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2004/07/05/%23ubuntu.html
[20:04] <inetpro> Generated by irclog2html.py
[20:05] <magespawn> ohh okay
[20:08] <inetpro> superfly: look at the url of those images
[20:09] <inetpro> something on en.gogloom.com
[20:12] <magespawn> when was this channel first set up?
[20:14] <inetpro> magespawn: Registered : Jul 22 11:27:44 2005 (7 years, 19 weeks, 5 days, 08:46:39 ago)
[20:14] <inetpro>  /msg ChanServ info #ubuntu-za
[20:15] <magespawn> cool ty
[20:15] <magespawn> then the logs must be somewhere else because they are not there
[20:15] <inetpro> ubuntu-za logging only started later
[20:16] <inetpro> on irclogs
[20:17] <magespawn> would be neat to have all of them
[20:19] <magespawn> any who, good night all 
[20:20] <inetpro> good night magespawn
[20:32] <Vince-0> *was jamming guild wars
[20:52] <inetpro> tumbleweed: how do you survive being a member of so many teams?
[20:53] <inetpro> we really need more peeps to follow in his footsteps
[20:53] <tumbleweed> inetpro: most of the teams I'm in, I'm an indirect member of
[20:53] <tumbleweed> https://launchpad.net/~stefanor/+participation for the gory details
[20:53] <inetpro> tumbleweed: you an active motu?
[20:54] <tumbleweed> I've been more active in the past, but yes
[20:54] <inetpro> we need more South Africans in there, how do we do that?
[20:54] <tumbleweed> I'm only a member of those xubuntu teams, for example, because all Ubuntu core-devs are indirect members of them
[20:55] <inetpro> I think we should have that as one of our goals for the next year
[20:56] <inetpro> GOAL: to support one of our members to become a MOTU in a three(3) year term
[20:57]  * inetpro reading some other country applications
[20:58] <tumbleweed> I'd love to see more developers from ZA
[20:58] <tumbleweed> and would be happy to help however I could
[20:58] <Wraz> What happened to Zanet ?
[20:58] <Wraz> was an awesome #programming on there.
[21:00] <tumbleweed> that's on shadowfire these days, I think
[21:02] <inetpro> perhaps we should even try to get some ubuntu-za t-shirts at some point
[21:03] <tumbleweed> we had some at some point
[21:03] <tumbleweed> I lost mine :(
[21:10]  * superfly has 2, 1 for him and 1 for mrs_fly which was too small for her
[21:19] <Squirm> meh
[21:19]  * Squirm falls asleep
[21:40]  * magespawn not sleeping tonight
[21:41] <magespawn> inetpro would we make our own?
[21:41] <inetpro> magespawn: why not?
[21:42] <magespawn> not sure what the the rules are regarding logos etc
[21:42] <magespawn> would also be pretty cool to get some of the ubuntu branded merchandise
[21:43] <inetpro> magespawn: for sure
[21:43] <inetpro> guess we should make an effort and find out
[21:46] <magespawn> doing some research now
[21:47] <magespawn> there are a couple that come up, do we have a logo to use? .jpg .png file?
[21:51] <tumbleweed> our logo predates the Ubuntu re-branding http://sourcewave.net/files/projects/ubuntu-za/UbuntuLogo-za.zip
[21:52] <tumbleweed> although, the logo on the website seems inline with the current design...
[21:53] <magespawn> there are some that will go as low as R32 per tea minimum order 500
[21:54] <tumbleweed> i assume we need something with much lower volume
[21:54] <magespawn> they will do single but fot R115 -R130 each
[21:55] <magespawn> also depends on colours and texr etc
[21:55] <magespawn> text even
[21:56] <magespawn> http://creativebrands.co.za/t-shirt-printing.html 
[21:58] <magespawn> the thing that will count against us is all the colours 
[22:02] <magespawn> we might have to see if we can do it in an outline, i count at least 8 colours
[22:03] <magespawn> there is one there for R95 full colour minimum 1 
[22:05]  * inetpro just fell asleep
[22:05] <inetpro> good night 
[22:06] <magespawn> night inetpro
[22:07] <magespawn> tumbleweed do we need to redo the logo to fit in with the rebranding?
[22:15] <tumbleweed> magespawn: we can do anything we want
[22:15] <magespawn> okay 
[22:16] <magespawn> i will look into it
[22:16] <tumbleweed> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[22:36] <magespawn> good night all(again)