[00:38] <len-dt> zequence, same in 12.10
[00:48] <len-dt> I'm not running 12.10, but have a disk with it on this machine.
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Um now can someone tell me what that merge is for!?
[12:31] <zequence> smartboyhw: Check the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1076975
[12:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, then you merge it (strangely since the Website Team is now under the Dev Team I actually get direct push access to ~ubuntustudio-dev branches)
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Hi scott-work 
[12:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: Really? That's a mistake. I suggest you do not do any merges on your own. 
[12:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, that is a mistake....
[12:39] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw 
[12:39]  * smartboyhw will not do any merge
[12:39] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence please fix it then:P
[12:39] <zequence> scott-work: smartboyhw says the website team gets ubuntustudio-dev team privileges
[12:39] <scott-work> zequence: ooooooh. hmmmm, we need to fix that
[12:39] <smartboyhw> since ubuntustudio-website is a direct subteam of ubuntustudio-dev
[12:39] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yes:D
[12:40] <zequence> Maybe the teams should have the opposite relationship
[12:40] <zequence> Or none at all
[12:40]  * smartboyhw thinks none is better
[12:40] <zequence> It seems weird, how the hiearchy works
[12:41] <scott-work> zequence: we could place all under ~ubuntustudio i suppose
[12:41] <zequence> scott-work: Yea
[12:41] <scott-work> anyone of a sub team then would also be only part of ubuntustudio
[12:41] <zequence> That sounds sound to me
[12:41]  * smartboyhw thinks it is great
[12:42] <scott-work> we will need to get janne involved most likely. i believe he is owner of ~ubuntustudio. but i also seem to recall a team or project that is owned by luis as well
[12:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I thought you are now the owner...
[12:45] <scott-work> oh, maybe i am. i can check those out in a bit
[13:01]  * smartboyhw hates the Ubuntu Forums Ops for playing jokes on the Ubuntu Studio Section on the Forums
[13:02] <scott-work> smartboyhw: what did they do?
[13:03] <scott-work> smartboyhw: oh, would you also like to write something up for the website (then get posted to social) about the changes in our testing for this cycle
[13:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, OK. But how do I post it to social websites eh!?
[13:05] <smartboyhw> The jokes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1412430/  (A very bad joke)
[13:06] <smartboyhw> zequence, where is that "staging" area BTW? (I want to have a look
[13:06] <scott-work> me or kaj can get it on to g+ and facebook
[13:06] <smartboyhw> scott-work, so I can't and so social websites aren't my job:P
[13:06] <scott-work> i'll probably then post it to my blog, facebook, g+, twitter, identi.ca
[13:07]  * smartboyhw really needs to get membership (in January) to post more about QA)
[13:07] <scott-work> not necessarily, i think that only g+ has a multi-manager feature at this point
[13:07] <scott-work> and kaj has only _just_ been set up on there
[13:07] <scott-work> i need to look at the facebook page and see what can be posted there as well
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Hmm BTW scott-work I think for the posts we can add more "Categories"
[13:08] <scott-work> and to be honest, if the plugin is installed onto the website, having multiple managers of multiple social networks is moot
[13:08] <smartboyhw> scott-work, when is the plugin going in!?
[13:08] <scott-work> smartboyhw: absolutely, remember, we really haven't used the website (as we probably should have been) so many things are not developed at all
[13:09] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i don't know. although kaj has made an RT ticket, we really have no control past that point other than poking people from time to time
[13:10] <scott-work> does anyone know who 'Gunnar Hjalmarsson' is and why he is proposed the merge?
[13:10] <scott-work> is this something ubuntu vanilla is doing?
[13:12] <zequence> scott-work: ubuntustudio.mousike.me
[13:12] <smartboyhw> scott-work, should be. He subscribed the Ubuntu Sponsors Team for that
[13:12] <zequence> scott-work: No theme loaded yet, so it's just standard WP
[13:12] <zequence> scott-work: You're the owner of ~ubuntustudio
[13:12] <zequence> astraljava changed that for us a while back
[13:13] <zequence> smartboyhw: We're waiting for a plugin to be installed on WP, allowing us to post to multiple sites at once
[13:13]  * smartboyhw goes to rt.ubuntu.com
[13:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, let me leave a reply on the staging area:P
[13:14] <zequence> scott-work: We should be able to post to facebook from WP later. So, it's only G+ out of the social sites that doesn't have this possibility, because of their hidden API
[13:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: That will be more of a playground area. We'll have the opportunity to do changes to the theme, and see the results right away
[13:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, for the first thing: Can't you just install the theme made by knome!?
[13:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: I will let knome handle that. He has full access to the server. 
[13:16] <smartboyhw> zequence,ooh
[13:16] <smartboyhw> knome is our web mastermind...:D
[13:40] <astraljava> Did we have a amd64+mac version of our image already? Someone asking on mailing list.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> astraljava, NO
[13:41] <astraljava> Right, thought as much.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> astraljava, I don't think we have people to support and test these images anyway
[13:42] <astraljava> True, I could only test the live part of it.
[13:42] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what do you mean!?
[13:42] <astraljava> I have (thus far) access to my work MBP, but I won't be resizing the hard drive, nor definitely be doing the whole-disk installations.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> astraljava, ouch OK
[13:43] <astraljava> Ahh... man. Different things altogether.
[13:43]  * astraljava feels so silly.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:43] <astraljava> I should try to handle 37.4 matters at once.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> astraljava, list them:P
[13:44] <astraljava> It was about Windows8 machines, not Macs.
[13:44] <smartboyhw> astraljava, uh hum alright
[13:44] <smartboyhw> BTW guys had a question since that guy asked about Ubuntu Studio and Windows 8: Is it possible that we get a linux-lowlatency-signed image?
[13:45] <zequence> I think that will be totally up to the kernel guys
[13:45] <zequence> Don't know yet how that works at all
[13:45] <astraljava> Talk on the support phone, answer support emails, write follow-up questions to internal support requests, code one customer project, code another customer project, code yet another customer project, code internal dev project, drink coffee, eat chocolate, solve support issues on Ubuntu Studio, read imgur, think of Grumpy Cat jokes...
[13:45] <astraljava> Damn, this is exhausting.
[13:46] <smartboyhw> astraljava, LOL
[13:46] <zequence> Heard they are still waiting for Microsoft to respond to some stupid request from the Linux Foundation about that
[13:46] <smartboyhw> holiday for me for the coming two days
[13:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh is it?
[13:46] <astraljava> zequence: Right, thanks.
[13:47] <zequence> http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/adventures-in-microsoft-uefi-signing/
[13:48] <zequence> "However, that’s the status: We’re still waiting for Microsoft to give the Linux Foundation a validly signed pre-bootloader.  When that happens, it will get uploaded to the Linux Foundation website for all to use"
[13:48] <zequence> I guess that will be the same for all kernels
[13:48] <smartboyhw> zequence, wow
[13:49] <astraljava> I wouldn't hold my breath either.
[13:49]  * smartboyhw is starting an ambitious project to try to translate most open source projects into the specific Chinese (Hong Kong) language.
[13:49] <smartboyhw> My goal for 13.04 and 13.10:P
[13:49] <zequence> smartboyhw: Use google translate :P
[13:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, no no no:P
[13:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, if that is we don't even need translators
[13:50] <zequence> That does sound a little ambitious, yes. How much text is that, and how many work hours?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, probably 1 million strings and 1000 work hours (one package at a time)
[13:51] <zequence> If you can finish a 10th of that, I'll be impressed
[13:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL
[13:52] <smartboyhw> True
[13:52] <zequence> And I'm not being sarcastic, when I say that
[13:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes you are not
[13:54] <zequence> astraljava: Drinking coffee, eating chocolate and reading imgur are important efficiency heightening activities!
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Anyone got a Nexus 7 to play with the core images?
[13:54]  * smartboyhw really hopes to have one
[13:56] <zequence> I'm thinking of getting a Nokia N9
[13:56] <zequence> Someone had one at UDS, and showed me a setting which allowed you to enable a linux repo, I think it was a Debian one
[13:56] <astraljava> zequence: Absolutely! I brought a coffee mug here at work, in April. Loosely translated, it says:"Drink coffee, so you can do stupid things more efficiently!" When my boss saw it, she pondered whether we have company policies prohibiting the use of silly coffee mugs.
[13:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, no Nokia is rubbish (after 2010)
[13:58] <astraljava> zequence: When I was developing sw for MeeGo, I really wanted to get the N9, because the dev model, N950 was one of the best phones I've ever laid my hands on. But then sadly they stripped the physical qwerty, and I mourned.
[13:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: Not the N9. I wouldn't have been interested in it otherwise, but since it can install GNU/Linux software directly, it's quite a machine actually
[13:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: The guy was playing quake3 on it
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Oh
[13:59] <zequence> astraljava: The performance is bad?
[13:59]  * smartboyhw has the cheapest smartphone from Samsung
[13:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: Nokia wouldn't have released the N9, had they not had a contract with Intel where they were required to do so. 
[13:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh?
[14:00] <zequence> This is since they are now collaborating with Microsoft, and has shut the door to anything Linux
[14:00] <zequence> The former Linux people have moved on. There are a couple of other projects going on, in the wake of that. Jolla, for instance
[14:01] <zequence> You'll probably be seeing Jolla in China next year
[14:02] <zequence> I was intending to get a Samsung SIII, but when I saw the N9, the geek inside me talked me out of it
[14:03] <astraljava> zequence: No, I just really would love to have a physical qwerty.
[14:03] <astraljava> S3 is awesome, though! Even without the qwerty.
[14:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: It would be a terrible work situation, if no silly coffee cups were allowed. Think how stupid it would look when everyone were instead required to wear silly hats
[14:03] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL
[14:05] <astraljava> zequence: Yes, but we also (at least used to) have a "Support Duty Mask". It has eyes that bleed. Amongst other things. It never fails to get the appropriate reaction on any customer visitors we might have.
[14:06] <astraljava> But I concur, it's better with the silly mugs.
[14:10] <zequence> Might be terribly difficult to find a N9 though
[14:10] <zequence> It seems to be out in all the stores
[14:11] <zequence> Nah, it's available
[14:11] <zequence> About 200 €. Fair price
[14:13] <astraljava> Jolla, a new start-up, bought the licenses for N950, and are developing a new phone line on top of that heritage. They recently came out with a demo of the ecosystem. But I have no idea when we'll be able to see the first actual products.
[14:13] <zequence> astraljava: Seems like there's a chance a product may be out next year, but they will be starting out in China, from what I understand
[14:14] <astraljava> Right'o.
[14:28]  * smartboyhw realizes that installing WordPress is quite easy
[14:36] <zequence> smartboyhw: Same thing with most web applications
[14:37] <zequence> This is an automatic install, on a web hotel, so it's even easier. I just push a button
[14:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, I have even managed to get the Studio theme on it
[14:37] <smartboyhw> However I
[14:37] <smartboyhw> am getting something like     arning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/a6997917/public_html/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp/tabs.php on line 26
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[14:37] <smartboyhw> arning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/a6997917/public_html/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp/tabs.php on line 26
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[14:38]  * smartboyhw apologizes for copying the wrong things
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Go to smartboyhw.tk
[14:38] <zequence> Check what it says on the line 26 in /home/a6997917/public_html/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp/tabs.php
[14:38] <zequence> there's a foreach() function there, that is not working for some reason
[14:39] <zequence> Perhaps something is missing?
[14:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, probably\
[14:39]  * smartboyhw will go and install every plugin that is available in the main website
[14:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, got rid of that error now go to smartboyhw.tk again:D
[15:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW what's your old account doing here joining the main team?:P https://launchpad.net/~ailo
[15:14] <micahg> smartboyhw: not advised, each plugin is a potential additional security hole
[15:25] <scott-work> micahg: i believe he is talking about installing it on a non-canonical staging area setup by kaj
[15:25] <scott-work> micahg: btw, how are you doing these days? i haven't spoken to you in a while
[15:26] <micahg> scott-work: really busy, trying to stay afloat
[15:33] <smartboyhw> scott-work, that is an INDEPENDENT staging area. :P
[15:33] <smartboyhw> micahg, don't worry it aren't in the main sites:P
[15:34] <smartboyhw> For myself only, I will use other themes soon
[15:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: ~ailo is a third account, which I use for testing stuff, when I need to not be a member of some groups
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, so many accounts;P
[15:40] <zequence> I only have two now, which is the same as before I created the new one
[17:18] <zequence> scott-work: So, we should probably decide a time when to talk about what we would like to try to change for the website
[18:49] <scott-work> webchat dropped connection. this is the last thing i saw:
 scott-work: So, we should probably decide a time when to talk about what we would like to try to change for the website
[18:50] <scott-work> zequence: we can talk about it now if you would like. i can only think of a small selection of changes at this point.
[18:55] <zequence> scott-work: I think what we want is a good looking front, with a news feed. I'm thinking the optimal solution aught to be a page showing a short intro to Ubuntu Studio, under that a header saying "Latest News", and then a news feed with headers and short descriptions
[18:56] <scott-work> does this mean removing the slide show portion?
[18:56] <zequence> No
[18:56] <zequence> We keep that as is. Just make the content under it be a bit more informative than now
[18:57] <zequence> As for the news feed, I could imagine just showing one article is enough, if there's a link to "news" as well
[18:57] <scott-work> i wonder if the short intro to ubuntu studio could be in the right column
[18:58] <zequence> The right column is more auxiliary, isn't it? Like a toolbox
[18:58] <zequence> Actually, it's quite easy to add hmtl content to it
[18:58] <scott-work> i'm not sure to be honest, i was just thinking about ways to minimize how much vertical space we use by stacking things on top of each other
[18:58] <zequence> Like embedded youtube
[18:59] <zequence> It would be one page size
[18:59] <scott-work> zequence: i say, if you have a vision implement it, and then we can iterate if we need to from that point
[18:59] <scott-work> err "if you have a vision *then* implement it,"
[19:00] <zequence> Yea. We could actually try different versions
[19:00] <zequence> I'll talk with knome
[19:00] <zequence> I do some php myself, so I will probably want to get under the hood a bit with this one
[19:13] <zequence> scott-work: Do we have a slogan?
[19:14] <zequence> I think if we had a slogan that clearly says what Ubuntu Studio is, it would be enough as informational text on the front page
[19:15] <zequence> The Artistic Operative System. Somethine like that
[19:17] <zequence> Well, something better than that
[19:17] <zequence> Operative System for Multimedia Content Creation. A bit technical, but might work. Especially with some nice font
[19:18] <zequence> We could add something like that. A slogan, or a descriptive text beneath the logo
[19:19] <zequence> It would be nice if it had some energy, but still was very correct
[19:25] <zequence> Ah, what does the plymoth theme say? OS for creative human beings?
[19:40] <zequence> scott-work: Something like this https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Frontpage.png
[20:29] <scott-work> "create stuff...using ubuntu studio" :P
[20:30] <scott-work> sorry, been busy with emergencies
[20:30] <holstein> "get it together!"
[20:30] <scott-work> "right now....over me"
[20:30] <scott-work> errr.....
[20:30] <scott-work> "riiiiiiight now.....over me"
[20:33] <scott-work> zequence: it's funny you ask this because last night i found a bunch of images i had made previously and this is one: http://imagebin.org/238259
[21:12] <zequence> scott-work: I like it. Linux is not the most accurate term, but from a laymans perspective, it makes things very clear
[22:05] <zequence> ..and it has energy
[22:23] <scott-work> sorry, more "fires" at work. i'm glad you like the concept, i was quite happy with the thought and how it turned out. not the best, but certainly pleasing. to me at least
[22:24] <zequence> scott-work: I think we should go with it. We could add it to the current logo, but also make a new one.