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dholbachhello hello17:00
czajkowskialoha17:00
cprofitthello17:00
Gwaihiro/17:01
dholbachDo we have people from Edubuntu and Lubuntu here?17:01
gilirdholbach, I'm here for Lubuntu :-)17:02
YokoZarHowdy folks17:02
dholbachhey gilir!17:02
pleia2o/17:02
dholbachmaybe we'll start with Lubuntu then and try to round up Edubuntu folks in the meantime :)17:02
cprofitthello gilir thanks for coming17:02
dholbach#startmeeting Community Council meeting17:02
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dholbach#topic Catching up with the Lubuntu team17:02
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dholbachgilir, how are you doing? did you bring anyone else from the team? :)17:03
gilirhi :-)17:03
gilirhum, no I forget to advertise this meeting, sorry :-(17:03
dholbachdon't worry - next time then :)17:03
gilirsince it's my first meeting of this type, sorry if I mess it :-)17:04
dholbachdid you get much feedback on the Lubuntu 12.10 release?17:04
dholbachHow many releases of Lubuntu did we have already?17:04
giliryes, mostly positive feedback ofr 12.1017:04
gilirfirst "official" release should be 11.1017:05
dholbachwow, so 3 releases already17:05
gilirso it's the 3rd I think17:05
dholbachvery nice17:05
dholbach:)17:05
dholbachare there many distros in general which are based on lxde?17:05
gilirbut I consider the 10.04 as the real first release :-)17:06
dholbachWhy would you say so? Was 10.04 where all the lxde packages went into Ubuntu? :)17:06
gilirnot many, but some use lxde and /or Openbox as a based17:06
gilirI think it's as popular as xfce for "derivative" distribution17:07
dholbachwow, that's a great achievement17:07
gilirin 10.04 we had most of the packages in Ubuntu, but not the ISO build official on Ubuntu architecture17:07
dholbachah ok17:07
gilirthat's why it's not "official" :-)17:07
pleia2just installed lubuntu on a ppc mac last night, much appreciated that you guys are keeping that going :)17:07
dholbachDo you get support from Upstream? Do they help you with issues and everything?17:08
gilir11.10 is the first with all packages in, and ISO build "normally" :-)17:08
YokoZarI have noticed a rise on Lubuntu as an advocated alternative17:08
gilirpleia2, we have a lot of tester on PPC, which make it possible, so thanks to them :-)17:08
gilirdholbach, upstream help yes, but there are not very active on all lxde components17:09
dholbachSo it's just the popular components which receive updates?17:09
gilirYokoZar, we try to be as light as possible, it's a good argument to test / install it :-)17:10
gilirdholbach, yes, and the ones where a dev is active17:10
* dholbach nods17:10
czajkowskigilir: what is the biggest obstacle for you guys ?17:11
gilirlxde is a different desktop environnement, all components are independants :-)17:11
gilirso you can have some components well maintained, and some less17:11
gilirczajkowski, mostly, time :-)17:12
dholbachgilir, so you feel you have enough contributors in all the areas of Lubuntu?17:12
YokoZarAre any of our components with rather large upstream deltas (this is the case for a lot of Gnome, for instance)17:12
gilirczajkowski, maybe more devs (as everybody :-)), but we need to clean up our documentation first :-/17:12
gilirdholbach, some areas, we are good (artwork, testing for example)17:13
czajkowskigilir: is there any way we the community council can help you?17:13
gilirczajkowski, I'm afraid not really :-(17:14
czajkowskigilir: well know our door is always open if you do need help or advice.17:14
gilirczajkowski, well, I can't think of a way you could help on the short term, since we have work to do on our side17:14
dholbachgilir, I do regular Ubuntu Development Hangouts - maybe it'd make sense to invite you guys where you can talk a bit about what your team is doing and maybe that'd interest a few people to help out17:14
gilirczajkowski, thanks :-)17:14
gilirdholbach, yes, I just want to clean up our documentation and stuff before, so it will be easier for new contributors17:15
cprofittgilir: do you need help with documentation? would external assistance help?17:15
dholbachgilir, perfect - I'll send you a mail and we can try to find a date in the new year maybe17:15
gilircprofitt, no, it's very specific sections (lxde ...) that need clean up17:16
gilirdholbach, ok, it will force me to work on it :-)17:16
* cprofitt nods17:16
dholbachgilir, sent the mail17:17
dholbachgilir, are you doing fine on the bug front?17:18
gilirdholbach, some triage + SRU needs to be done, but nothing critical I'm aware17:19
dholbachok :)17:19
dholbachso generally you seem to be doing quite fine - that's great17:20
dholbachdo you have many work items and plans for 13.04?17:20
gilirwe are trying :-)17:20
gilirthe work items are limited for 13.0417:20
gilirbut it's on purpose, since last cycle many items was postponed because we didn't have time to do them17:21
czajkowskithat makes good planning sense17:21
pleia2understandable17:21
dholbachanything specific you and the team is going to be working on?17:21
gilirdholbach, mostly, some old items, old bugs / features requests17:22
dholbachok17:22
giliralso working on a specific session of Nexus7, but as a low priority :-)17:22
gilirs/of/for17:22
dholbachare you in touch with the people in #ubuntu-arm?17:23
gilirand because we need to work on fun stuff :-)17:23
dholbachI mean... do you get enough support there?17:23
gilirnot a lot, because we still need to fix some stuff on the LXDE side17:24
dholbachah ok17:24
gilirI also wait for nexus7 stuff to hit official repo17:24
dholbachok - if you let me know what's stuck, I can try to find the right person for it17:25
gilirdholbach, ok, thanks :-)17:25
dholbachawesome17:26
dholbachI don't think I have any more questions - I'll be in touch about the hangout and maybe from there we can think about another plan to get more people involved :)17:26
czajkowskigilir: thanks for coming17:27
pleia2thanks gilir :)17:27
gilirok, thanks for your time :-)17:27
cprofittthanks gilir17:27
dholbachrock on gilir :)17:28
dholbach#topic Catching up with the Edubuntu team17:28
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* stgraber waves17:28
YokoZarThank you :)17:28
pleia2hey stgraber!17:28
dholbachhey stgraber! :)17:28
czajkowskislangasek: howdy17:28
czajkowskibah17:28
czajkowskistgraber: aloha17:28
dholbachhow's life in Edubuntu land? How was the response to 12.10?17:29
czajkowskitab completion will land me in trouble one of these days!17:29
slangasekoh17:29
* slangasek feels less special now17:29
slangasek;)17:29
stgraberwell, 12.10 wasn't a great release for us, didn't bring much new things and broke ltsp for most users17:29
stgraberso our standing recommendation is to stick to LTS17:29
dholbachwhat broke in ltsp?17:30
YokoZarWas this an inherited breakage due to underlying parts changing?17:30
stgrabersorry, wifi disconnect :)17:32
stgraberunity 3d doesn't work with ltsp17:32
stgraberit requires over 100mbit of bandwidth just to render the UI17:32
pleia2wow17:32
stgraberso we ask people to stick to unity-2d on 12.0417:33
dholbachAnd how's the Edubuntu community doing in general?17:35
dholbachDo you get enough support?17:35
dholbachI seem to remember from last meeting that a lot of teachers were involved.17:35
stgraberwe have quite a lot of users but our users aren't usually technical enough to help us implement things17:35
YokoZarWhich would not be surprising ;)17:35
stgraberbut that's not a big problem for us as we only have a fairly limited set of packages to care about17:36
dholbachRight, that makes sense. So in general there's not any area where you'd need some more help?17:36
stgraberand we plan our new features enough in advance that we can implement pretty much everything we plan with only 2-3 developers17:36
stgraberwe'll probably need some help with edubuntu server, mostly for the web UI at some point, that seems like the kind of thing we could fairly easily find interested contributors for17:37
dholbachmaybe I should make the same offer and try to invite you to an ubuntu development hangout? maybe there you could get some interest :)17:38
stgrabersure, maybe we can get some more feedback on our vision for 14.04 that way and get some new contributors17:39
dholbachawesome17:39
dholbachI'll send you an email too17:39
dholbachEdubuntu has a council - I was wondering if there were any "council activities" in the last cycle. I mean, stuff apart from working on Edubuntu as a team member. :)17:39
stgraberwe had a few discussions for hardware/service sponsorship, but that was mostly it17:40
stgraberthe rest of the council activities is voting on new members but we haven't had an application in over a year :)17:40
czajkowskistgraber: how does one become a council member ?17:41
dholbachmaybe it'd be time to remind people on your mailing lists about the general possibility :)17:41
czajkowskithanks for creating a council address btw, much easier to contact one address.17:41
stgraberczajkowski: we had that address for years, we just don't like people using it so it wasn't on the wiki17:42
stgraberczajkowski: IIRC any ubuntu member can be nominated to be on the EC, then ~edubuntu-members vote17:43
stgraberhey highvoltage17:43
highvoltageyep17:43
dholbachhi highvoltage17:43
highvoltagehello17:43
dholbachanything else you feel the CC could generally help with?17:43
highvoltagedholbach: not that comes to mind right now17:45
highvoltage(sorry my IRC session kind of died so I missed a lot of this as well)17:45
dholbachor anything which is blocking you apart from the ltsp-3d-graphics situation?17:45
highvoltagewell,17:46
highvoltagewe still have the usual we need more contributors but don't always even have the time to do something about that17:46
dholbachok17:46
highvoltage(I needed some dashes there)17:46
highvoltagedholbach: but I think continuous time and effort will improve that over time17:47
dholbachhighvoltage, I earlier tried to talk to stgraber into joining an ubuntu developer hangout - maybe that'd get some folks interested in contributing :)17:47
highvoltagedholbach: I've been meaning to attend all of them, I just happened to have a clash at every one so far17:47
dholbachwe can pick another time to make it more suitable for you17:47
dholbachwe'll figure something out17:47
highvoltage*nod*17:47
dholbachmaybe early next year17:47
dholbachperfect17:47
dholbachI'm done with questions17:47
YokoZarWhen highvoltage drafts me into edubuntu :)17:48
dholbachanyone else still has something?17:48
czajkowskinope all good17:48
beunonot from me17:48
czajkowskithanks for coming it;s nice to have these catch ups17:48
dholbachperfect17:48
dholbachthanks a lot stgraber and highvoltage!17:48
YokoZarYeah it really is, thank you17:48
stgrabernp17:48
highvoltageYokoZar: hey I really tried hard at UDS!17:48
dholbach#topic Any other business?17:48
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dholbachThere's nothing on the wiki agenda.17:49
dholbachAnd the only thing I can see on our Trello board is the Forums upgrade. Does anyone know how the testing is going?17:49
czajkowskiwe got an update on the RT for a schedule for friday for stuff to happen17:49
czajkowskino more updates since then17:49
dholbachaha17:50
dholbachI keenly await Friday then! :)17:50
cprofittdholbach: there is a notice on the forums -- so it looks to be ongoing17:50
dholbachgreat17:50
dholbachDoes anyone have anything else to discuss with the CC?17:50
dholbachLooks like we're all good.17:51
dholbachThanks a lot everyone!17:51
dholbach#endmeeting17:51
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czajkowskithanks dholbach17:53
dholbachthank YOU all :)17:53
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cjohnston!ping rmb21:53
danielmatoGood night21:55
hggdh~รด~21:58
cjohnston#startmeeting Ubunut Memebership Board Meeting22:01
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cjohnston#chair cjohnston22:01
meetingologyCurrent chairs: cjohnston22:01
cjohnston#voters cjohnston hggdh PabloRubianes Pendulum22:02
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum cjohnston hggdh22:02
cjohnstonJust a few minutes all.. trying to get this thing setup22:03
cjohnstondoesn't appear as though abdobonna is here22:04
cjohnston#voters iulian22:04
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum cjohnston hggdh iulian22:04
iulianTa.22:04
cjohnstonkdub: ping22:04
kdubcjohnston, pong22:04
cjohnston#topic kdub membership application22:04
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cjohnstonkdub: give me just a second and then you can go22:05
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cjohnstonHello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for December 6 2012. The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards22:06
cjohnstonWe will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.22:06
cjohnstonThe format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).22:06
cjohnstonEach applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.22:06
cjohnstonDuring this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.22:06
cjohnstonWhen the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)22:06
cjohnstonNow, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...22:06
cjohnstonkdub: that's you... tell us about yourself22:07
kdubok, here's my wiki:22:07
kdubhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinDuBois22:07
cjohnston#voters micahg22:08
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg22:08
kdubI've been involved in open source, mostly as a coder for the past many years. my primary ubuntu community activity is organizing meetings for the california loco for the san diego area22:08
hggdhand https://launchpad.net/~kdub22:08
kdubI've been involved in a couple upstream projects like compiz/vlc/ffmpeg off and on for a while now22:08
kdubah yes, and that is my launchpad22:08
kdubthanks hggdh22:08
hggdhyw22:09
micahgkdub: have you ever considered contributing to Ubuntu development directly?22:10
kduba while back (a few years) i tried my hand at some packaging for some optical character recognition applications22:10
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kdubi've handed off their maintenence since then though, never got into the swing of it22:10
kdubsome other things, was involved with the michigan loco from the time it started in about 2006 until i moved to california22:12
kduband then started organizing some san diego ubuntu hours (there weren't any in my city)22:12
cjohnstonkdub: I think we are ready to vote.22:13
cjohnston#vote Voting on kdub's Ubuntu Membership Application22:13
meetingologyPlease vote on: Voting on kdub's Ubuntu Membership Application22:13
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)22:13
hggdh+1 thank you for your work, and please do not stop ;-)22:13
meetingology+1 thank you for your work, and please do not stop ;-) received from hggdh22:13
iulian+122:13
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cjohnston+122:14
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micahg+1, nice community leadership22:14
meetingology+1, nice community leadership received from micahg22:14
Pendulum+122:14
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cjohnston#endvote22:15
meetingologyVoting ended on: Voting on kdub's Ubuntu Membership Application22:15
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:022:15
meetingologyMotion carried22:15
cjohnstonCongrats kdub!22:15
kdubwhoohoo :)22:15
hggdhkdub: welcome in22:15
* kdub dances22:15
Pendulumkdub: congrats and welcome :)22:15
kdubthanks hggdh and Pendulum :D22:15
cjohnston#topic m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application22:15
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cjohnstonm_3: your up22:15
m_3Hi Y'all22:15
m_3I'm Mark Mims... wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkMims22:16
m_3I'm on the Juju Ecosystem Team22:16
m_3I write charms, teach charmschools, and help others integrate juju/charms into their current devops workflow22:16
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m_3Part of that work involves going to conferences to talk and do booth-duty22:17
m_3I've done a bit of packaging... mostly in juju-related things (juju,juju-jitsu, charm-tools, charm-helpers)22:18
m_3but also outside of it things like ppas for hadoop, reconnoiter22:18
cjohnstonWhat's this juju thing?22:18
m_3and then I've had some uploads sponsored for ganglia22:18
m_3cjohnston: ha!22:19
m_3funny you should ask... :)22:19
cjohnstonjuju deploy dinner -e office22:19
m_3cjohnston and I charmed up the summit app for the last LinuxPlumbers conf22:19
hggdhheh22:19
* jcastro_ is here in support of m_3's application!22:19
m_3That's pretty much all I can remember about myself at this point of the day22:20
* hggdh wonders who is jcastro_ ... ;-)22:20
m_3any questions on stuff?22:20
hggdhm_3: please wait a bit, backstage discussions22:21
m_3np22:21
iulianm_3: What area of physics are you a geek of?22:22
m_3I studied quantum computation22:23
m_3how much noise quantum algorithms can tolerate before being as slow as the classical versions22:23
m_3now I'm back in a physics department at USU and working more on distributed computing topics22:23
Pendulumm_3: have you interacted with the Ubuntu community for things other than charms or has that been the majority of your involvement?22:23
cjohnston#vote Voting on m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application22:24
meetingologyPlease vote on: Voting on m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application22:24
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)22:24
m_3Pendulum: I've packaged some things too... some of those out of deps for charms... some of those things out of just pure interest22:24
iulianm_3: Ah, boring. I was about to ask you a topological quantum field theory question but that's not really related. :)22:25
m_3lots of big data related stuff now like hadoop and r22:25
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cjohnston+122:25
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m_3iulian: well.... you'd be surprised actually how much geometry goes into quantum coding.. code bundles and the like.  happy to chat on it in a pm anytime22:25
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jcastro_\o/22:26
hggdhwho is this jcastro_ ?22:26
cjohnston#endvote22:26
meetingologyVoting ended on: Voting on m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application22:26
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:022:26
meetingologyMotion carried22:26
hggdh:-)22:26
cjohnstonWhat hggdh said22:26
m_3whoohoo!22:26
cjohnstonCongrats Mark!22:26
m_3thanks gang!22:26
hggdhm_3: welcome in sir22:26
Pendulumm_3: congrats and welcome :)22:26
iulianCongrats m_3.22:26
hggdhjcastro_: thank you for your support for m_322:26
cjohnston#topic danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application22:26
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m_3thansk a bunch22:27
cjohnstondanielmato: your up.. tell us a little about yourself22:27
danielmatoHi to all22:27
iulianHi there.22:27
danielmatoI'm a video editor and open source enthusiastic22:27
danielmatoI'm from uruguay22:28
danielmatoworking in the uruguay loco team22:28
danielmatothis is my launchpad page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielMato22:28
danielmatoi'm trying to give support as best as i can, in the community22:29
danielmatobasically giving workshops, presentations, talks, migrations, and in the made of some tutorials22:30
danielmatocollaborate in the new ubuntu uy page, as beta tester, and making some graphics22:31
cjohnston#vote danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application22:32
meetingologyPlease vote on: danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application22:32
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)22:32
PabloRubianes+122:33
meetingology+1 received from PabloRubianes22:33
Pendulum+1 keep up the great work!22:33
meetingology+1 keep up the great work! received from Pendulum22:33
iulian+122:33
meetingology+1 received from iulian22:33
hggdh+1 thank you for all your help with the LoCo, and all your work for Ubuntu and free software22:33
meetingology+1 thank you for all your help with the LoCo, and all your work for Ubuntu and free software received from hggdh22:33
cjohnston+122:33
meetingology+1 received from cjohnston22:33
micahg+122:33
meetingology+1 received from micahg22:33
cjohnston#endvote22:33
meetingologyVoting ended on: danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application22:33
meetingologyVotes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:022:33
meetingologyMotion carried22:33
cjohnstonCongrats danielmato22:33
danielmatoyeah!!! really thanks, i will keep the work up22:34
hggdhdanielmato: bienvenido22:34
danielmatohggdh, gracias22:34
hggdhdanielmato: de nada :-)22:34
cjohnston#topic ttoine's Membership Application22:34
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cjohnstonttoine: your up22:34
solarcloud_3screWhat meeting is this for exactl;y ?22:34
ttoinehelloa all22:34
ttoinehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ttoine22:35
iuliansolarcloud_3scre: See topic.22:35
PabloRubianesVamo !!!22:35
ttoineI started to use Ubuntu at its very beginning, with Dapper22:35
* holstein would like to thank ttoine for helping the ubuntustudio team.. here to show support!22:35
ttoineAs a musician, I worked on how to produce music with free software, and the simplicity of Ubuntu started to be my new base22:36
* solarcloud_3scre doesn't understand what 'membership' relates to ?22:36
ttoineI am not a developper with programmation skills22:36
cjohnstonsolarcloud_3scre: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership22:36
ttoinebut I spend much of my time testing hardware, finding the key developper etc. to be sure that everything is working22:36
ttoineI am one of the founder of Ubuntu Studio, and still there to make it alive22:37
solarcloud_3scre"Membership is not required for contribution, but contribution is required for membership." this is an Odd meeting. :\22:37
ttoineI spend a lot of my free time on workshops, etc.22:37
holsteinsolarcloud_3scre: feel free and PM me if you have more questions.. otherwise a meeting is in progress. cheers22:38
Pendulumttoine: Is there a reason that you've waited this long to apply for membership?22:39
czajkowskisolarcloud_3scre: I did ask you not to interrupt their meeting22:39
ttoinePendulum, I just didn't seen what use I could have22:40
* zequence is also here to show support for ttoine22:41
ttoinebut know that I am working on developping the Ubuntu Studio community, I clearly see the interest22:41
Pendulumttoine: What have you been doing more recently? It feels like as far as documentation of your involvement goes, there was quite a bit a few years ago, but then a chunk in the middle where we don't see much until the last very short while?22:41
ttoineAs i say I am not skilled with packaging etc.22:43
micahgttoine: that's a different board ;)22:43
ttoineSo I spend time with finding information, testing application in workflows22:43
zequenceRecently ttoine has been involved in the Ubuntu Studio PR team, which is not yet actively creating news. ttoine will be a key person in that team22:43
holsteinttoine is working with creating a public relations team for ubuntustudio. trying to help us attract new users and team members22:44
micahgzequence: right, but membership is based on past contributions, not future ones (though we hope they continue)22:44
ttoinemicahg, I have past contributions22:44
Pendulumholstein: how long has ttoine been working with you on Ubuntu Studio?22:44
ttoineand my current work for Ubuntu Studio can not be seen on launchpad22:45
zequencettoine has been helping us define what that team is to do, by doing research etc22:45
micahgttoine: right, but as Pendulum mentioned, there's this gap we're trying to piece together where it ended22:45
holsteinPendulum: this past cycle is when i noticed input.. though ttoine was around the project before i was there22:46
ttoinemicahg, because on my wiki page, there is only "since 2007" ?22:47
cjohnstonttoine: I don't see anything in Launchpad or on the wiki page to show anything that you have been doing recently.22:48
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ttoinecjohnston, because I am working on the community management at the moment22:48
Pendulumttoine: we see that it says "since 2007", but we're only hearing testimonials from people who are saying "a couple months". No one is hear backing you up that you've been doing work consistantly since 200722:49
cjohnstonttoine: do you have anything that you can show me with that?22:49
micahgFrom my IRC logs, I see activity from Mar/Apr this year, then mostly a break, then Nov on again22:50
micahgin #ubuntustudio-devel22:50
ttoinecjohnston, we are working on the moment at the creation of ubuntu studio pages on facebook, G+, twitter22:51
ttoineand about what we should post and where22:51
cjohnstonThe ubuntu studio page on facebook was created on 2/23/0822:52
ttoinethe aim is to create a community of users and developpers. That' what I have always ask to the team, but it is quite recent as a goal. Mainly because in the past, we needed a lot of programmation skills22:52
ttoinefor this summer, I had a surgery of shoulder and was off until I can work again22:53
holsteini know for me, i want ubuntustudio to have a venue for helping attract new users and developers.. and contribute upstream22:53
cjohnstonI agree with that holstein22:54
holsteini think ttoine is trying to help us envision that goal22:54
holsteinits a small team though.. and we have lots of developing contributors, but few contributing developers. if you know what i mean22:54
ttoinecjohnston, because I don't package and write code, you can't see my involvement, that's the point ?22:54
hggdhttoine: no, not at all. What we are missing is this gap in the middle. And more testimonials covering it22:55
Pendulumttoine: That's why we're asking about people who can testify on the amount of time/work you've done in the last year or os22:55
holsteini hope that through getting news out and having folks on the team like ttoine who are commiting to helping us shape our public image, we can better attract what we need22:56
ttoinehggdh, a big part of the Ubuntu Studio team has leave at the time current team leader started to lead22:56
zequencettoine was very much involved in filling this page with content https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelations22:57
ttoineI am one of the last team member from the original team. That's why nobodyd can testify for this period22:57
zequence..which is the preparation work for our public relations team22:57
micahgzequence: I see no edits from him, mostly you and ScottL22:58
micahgor rather all you and ScottL22:58
micahgand that page is only 1.5 months old22:58
zequencemicahg: I've copied and pasted the text from a whiteboard for a blueprint, which ttoine helped put together22:58
ttoinemicahg, a lot of things have been discussed with me on irc22:58
zequence..and we did edit the page some more after that, of course22:59
micahgright, but again, that leaves us with the last couple months22:59
ttoinelaunchpad is not my favourite place22:59
ttoinemicahg, that's right22:59
ttoinebut think that between to release period, there is a lot of time where people like me are not very needed for developement23:00
Pendulumttoine: We think you've done some good work. While we feel like we cannot approve you at this time, we'd really like you to gather some more testimonials for the time you've spent working in the last year or so and then reapply.23:00
PendulumYou don't need more things on launchpad, just more people who can say that they've witnessed at least 6 months of sustained contribution, please.23:01
ttoinePendulum, ok23:01
Pendulumttoine: if you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the board. I'm also happy to go over your wiki page with you if you contact me at pendulum@ubuntu.com23:01
ttoinePendulum, I don't any question23:02
cjohnstonThanks to everyone for coming to the meeting and congrats to those who were accepted.23:02
cjohnston#endmeeting23:02
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ttoineAs I said, I didn't see the interest for me in the past years to be a "member". But now that it is important for Ubuntu Studio, It is not possible. Perhaps I should have attend many years ago...23:03
hggdhttoine: you most certainly should have. Our only issue is that we cannot see the *sustained* piece of our requirements23:03
hggdhttoine: so, if you get people to give you testiminials for the gap, you will be all set23:04
Pendulumhggdh: +123:04
* iulian nods.23:05
ttoinehggdh, I will try. But a lot of people are now off with their Ubuntu Studio involvement23:05
ttoinethanks for your time23:05
hggdhttoine: but if they are still around, this is still possible23:05
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