[17:00] <dholbach> hello hello
[17:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:00] <cprofitt> hello
[17:01] <Gwaihir> o/
[17:01] <dholbach> Do we have people from Edubuntu and Lubuntu here?
[17:02] <gilir> dholbach, I'm here for Lubuntu :-)
[17:02] <YokoZar> Howdy folks
[17:02] <dholbach> hey gilir!
[17:02] <pleia2> o/
[17:02] <dholbach> maybe we'll start with Lubuntu then and try to round up Edubuntu folks in the meantime :)
[17:02] <cprofitt> hello gilir thanks for coming
[17:02] <dholbach> #startmeeting Community Council meeting
[17:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec  6 17:02:39 2012 UTC.  The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:02] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Lubuntu team
[17:03] <dholbach> gilir, how are you doing? did you bring anyone else from the team? :)
[17:03] <gilir> hi :-)
[17:03] <gilir> hum, no I forget to advertise this meeting, sorry :-(
[17:03] <dholbach> don't worry - next time then :)
[17:04] <gilir> since it's my first meeting of this type, sorry if I mess it :-)
[17:04] <dholbach> did you get much feedback on the Lubuntu 12.10 release?
[17:04] <dholbach> How many releases of Lubuntu did we have already?
[17:04] <gilir> yes, mostly positive feedback ofr 12.10
[17:05] <gilir> first "official" release should be 11.10
[17:05] <dholbach> wow, so 3 releases already
[17:05] <gilir> so it's the 3rd I think
[17:05] <dholbach> very nice
[17:05] <dholbach> :)
[17:05] <dholbach> are there many distros in general which are based on lxde?
[17:06] <gilir> but I consider the 10.04 as the real first release :-)
[17:06] <dholbach> Why would you say so? Was 10.04 where all the lxde packages went into Ubuntu? :)
[17:06] <gilir> not many, but some use lxde and /or Openbox as a based
[17:07] <gilir> I think it's as popular as xfce for "derivative" distribution
[17:07] <dholbach> wow, that's a great achievement
[17:07] <gilir> in 10.04 we had most of the packages in Ubuntu, but not the ISO build official on Ubuntu architecture
[17:07] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:07] <gilir> that's why it's not "official" :-)
[17:07] <pleia2> just installed lubuntu on a ppc mac last night, much appreciated that you guys are keeping that going :)
[17:08] <dholbach> Do you get support from Upstream? Do they help you with issues and everything?
[17:08] <gilir> 11.10 is the first with all packages in, and ISO build "normally" :-)
[17:08] <YokoZar> I have noticed a rise on Lubuntu as an advocated alternative
[17:08] <gilir> pleia2, we have a lot of tester on PPC, which make it possible, so thanks to them :-)
[17:09] <gilir> dholbach, upstream help yes, but there are not very active on all lxde components
[17:09] <dholbach> So it's just the popular components which receive updates?
[17:10] <gilir> YokoZar, we try to be as light as possible, it's a good argument to test / install it :-)
[17:10] <gilir> dholbach, yes, and the ones where a dev is active
[17:10]  * dholbach nods
[17:11] <czajkowski> gilir: what is the biggest obstacle for you guys ?
[17:11] <gilir> lxde is a different desktop environnement, all components are independants :-)
[17:11] <gilir> so you can have some components well maintained, and some less
[17:12] <gilir> czajkowski, mostly, time :-)
[17:12] <dholbach> gilir, so you feel you have enough contributors in all the areas of Lubuntu?
[17:12] <YokoZar> Are any of our components with rather large upstream deltas (this is the case for a lot of Gnome, for instance)
[17:12] <gilir> czajkowski, maybe more devs (as everybody :-)), but we need to clean up our documentation first :-/
[17:13] <gilir> dholbach, some areas, we are good (artwork, testing for example)
[17:13] <czajkowski> gilir: is there any way we the community council can help you?
[17:14] <gilir> czajkowski, I'm afraid not really :-(
[17:14] <czajkowski> gilir: well know our door is always open if you do need help or advice.
[17:14] <gilir> czajkowski, well, I can't think of a way you could help on the short term, since we have work to do on our side
[17:14] <dholbach> gilir, I do regular Ubuntu Development Hangouts - maybe it'd make sense to invite you guys where you can talk a bit about what your team is doing and maybe that'd interest a few people to help out
[17:14] <gilir> czajkowski, thanks :-)
[17:15] <gilir> dholbach, yes, I just want to clean up our documentation and stuff before, so it will be easier for new contributors
[17:15] <cprofitt> gilir: do you need help with documentation? would external assistance help?
[17:15] <dholbach> gilir, perfect - I'll send you a mail and we can try to find a date in the new year maybe
[17:16] <gilir> cprofitt, no, it's very specific sections (lxde ...) that need clean up
[17:16] <gilir> dholbach, ok, it will force me to work on it :-)
[17:16]  * cprofitt nods
[17:17] <dholbach> gilir, sent the mail
[17:18] <dholbach> gilir, are you doing fine on the bug front?
[17:19] <gilir> dholbach, some triage + SRU needs to be done, but nothing critical I'm aware
[17:19] <dholbach> ok :)
[17:20] <dholbach> so generally you seem to be doing quite fine - that's great
[17:20] <dholbach> do you have many work items and plans for 13.04?
[17:20] <gilir> we are trying :-)
[17:20] <gilir> the work items are limited for 13.04
[17:21] <gilir> but it's on purpose, since last cycle many items was postponed because we didn't have time to do them
[17:21] <czajkowski> that makes good planning sense
[17:21] <pleia2> understandable
[17:21] <dholbach> anything specific you and the team is going to be working on?
[17:22] <gilir> dholbach, mostly, some old items, old bugs / features requests
[17:22] <dholbach> ok
[17:22] <gilir> also working on a specific session of Nexus7, but as a low priority :-)
[17:22] <gilir> s/of/for
[17:23] <dholbach> are you in touch with the people in #ubuntu-arm?
[17:23] <gilir> and because we need to work on fun stuff :-)
[17:23] <dholbach> I mean... do you get enough support there?
[17:24] <gilir> not a lot, because we still need to fix some stuff on the LXDE side
[17:24] <dholbach> ah ok
[17:24] <gilir> I also wait for nexus7 stuff to hit official repo
[17:25] <dholbach> ok - if you let me know what's stuck, I can try to find the right person for it
[17:25] <gilir> dholbach, ok, thanks :-)
[17:26] <dholbach> awesome
[17:26] <dholbach> I don't think I have any more questions - I'll be in touch about the hangout and maybe from there we can think about another plan to get more people involved :)
[17:27] <czajkowski> gilir: thanks for coming
[17:27] <pleia2> thanks gilir :)
[17:27] <gilir> ok, thanks for your time :-)
[17:27] <cprofitt> thanks gilir
[17:28] <dholbach> rock on gilir :)
[17:28] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Edubuntu team
[17:28]  * stgraber waves
[17:28] <YokoZar> Thank you :)
[17:28] <pleia2> hey stgraber!
[17:28] <dholbach> hey stgraber! :)
[17:28] <czajkowski> slangasek: howdy
[17:28] <czajkowski> bah
[17:28] <czajkowski> stgraber: aloha
[17:29] <dholbach> how's life in Edubuntu land? How was the response to 12.10?
[17:29] <czajkowski> tab completion will land me in trouble one of these days!
[17:29] <slangasek> oh
[17:29]  * slangasek feels less special now
[17:29] <slangasek> ;)
[17:29] <stgraber> well, 12.10 wasn't a great release for us, didn't bring much new things and broke ltsp for most users
[17:29] <stgraber> so our standing recommendation is to stick to LTS
[17:30] <dholbach> what broke in ltsp?
[17:30] <YokoZar> Was this an inherited breakage due to underlying parts changing?
[17:32] <stgraber> sorry, wifi disconnect :)
[17:32] <stgraber> unity 3d doesn't work with ltsp
[17:32] <stgraber> it requires over 100mbit of bandwidth just to render the UI
[17:32] <pleia2> wow
[17:33] <stgraber> so we ask people to stick to unity-2d on 12.04
[17:35] <dholbach> And how's the Edubuntu community doing in general?
[17:35] <dholbach> Do you get enough support?
[17:35] <dholbach> I seem to remember from last meeting that a lot of teachers were involved.
[17:35] <stgraber> we have quite a lot of users but our users aren't usually technical enough to help us implement things
[17:35] <YokoZar> Which would not be surprising ;)
[17:36] <stgraber> but that's not a big problem for us as we only have a fairly limited set of packages to care about
[17:36] <dholbach> Right, that makes sense. So in general there's not any area where you'd need some more help?
[17:36] <stgraber> and we plan our new features enough in advance that we can implement pretty much everything we plan with only 2-3 developers
[17:37] <stgraber> we'll probably need some help with edubuntu server, mostly for the web UI at some point, that seems like the kind of thing we could fairly easily find interested contributors for
[17:38] <dholbach> maybe I should make the same offer and try to invite you to an ubuntu development hangout? maybe there you could get some interest :)
[17:39] <stgraber> sure, maybe we can get some more feedback on our vision for 14.04 that way and get some new contributors
[17:39] <dholbach> awesome
[17:39] <dholbach> I'll send you an email too
[17:39] <dholbach> Edubuntu has a council - I was wondering if there were any "council activities" in the last cycle. I mean, stuff apart from working on Edubuntu as a team member. :)
[17:40] <stgraber> we had a few discussions for hardware/service sponsorship, but that was mostly it
[17:40] <stgraber> the rest of the council activities is voting on new members but we haven't had an application in over a year :)
[17:41] <czajkowski> stgraber: how does one become a council member ?
[17:41] <dholbach> maybe it'd be time to remind people on your mailing lists about the general possibility :)
[17:41] <czajkowski> thanks for creating a council address btw, much easier to contact one address.
[17:42] <stgraber> czajkowski: we had that address for years, we just don't like people using it so it wasn't on the wiki
[17:43] <stgraber> czajkowski: IIRC any ubuntu member can be nominated to be on the EC, then ~edubuntu-members vote
[17:43] <stgraber> hey highvoltage
[17:43] <highvoltage> yep
[17:43] <dholbach> hi highvoltage
[17:43] <highvoltage> hello
[17:43] <dholbach> anything else you feel the CC could generally help with?
[17:45] <highvoltage> dholbach: not that comes to mind right now
[17:45] <highvoltage> (sorry my IRC session kind of died so I missed a lot of this as well)
[17:45] <dholbach> or anything which is blocking you apart from the ltsp-3d-graphics situation?
[17:46] <highvoltage> well,
[17:46] <highvoltage> we still have the usual we need more contributors but don't always even have the time to do something about that
[17:46] <dholbach> ok
[17:46] <highvoltage> (I needed some dashes there)
[17:47] <highvoltage> dholbach: but I think continuous time and effort will improve that over time
[17:47] <dholbach> highvoltage, I earlier tried to talk to stgraber into joining an ubuntu developer hangout - maybe that'd get some folks interested in contributing :)
[17:47] <highvoltage> dholbach: I've been meaning to attend all of them, I just happened to have a clash at every one so far
[17:47] <dholbach> we can pick another time to make it more suitable for you
[17:47] <dholbach> we'll figure something out
[17:47] <highvoltage> *nod*
[17:47] <dholbach> maybe early next year
[17:47] <dholbach> perfect
[17:47] <dholbach> I'm done with questions
[17:48] <YokoZar> When highvoltage drafts me into edubuntu :)
[17:48] <dholbach> anyone else still has something?
[17:48] <czajkowski> nope all good
[17:48] <beuno> not from me
[17:48] <czajkowski> thanks for coming it;s nice to have these catch ups
[17:48] <dholbach> perfect
[17:48] <dholbach> thanks a lot stgraber and highvoltage!
[17:48] <YokoZar> Yeah it really is, thank you
[17:48] <stgraber> np
[17:48] <highvoltage> YokoZar: hey I really tried hard at UDS!
[17:48] <dholbach> #topic Any other business?
[17:49] <dholbach> There's nothing on the wiki agenda.
[17:49] <dholbach> And the only thing I can see on our Trello board is the Forums upgrade. Does anyone know how the testing is going?
[17:49] <czajkowski> we got an update on the RT for a schedule for friday for stuff to happen
[17:49] <czajkowski> no more updates since then
[17:50] <dholbach> aha
[17:50] <dholbach> I keenly await Friday then! :)
[17:50] <cprofitt> dholbach: there is a notice on the forums -- so it looks to be ongoing
[17:50] <dholbach> great
[17:50] <dholbach> Does anyone have anything else to discuss with the CC?
[17:51] <dholbach> Looks like we're all good.
[17:51] <dholbach> Thanks a lot everyone!
[17:51] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec  6 17:51:40 2012 UTC.
[17:51] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-06-17.02.moin.txt
[17:51] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-06-17.02.html
[17:53] <czajkowski> thanks dholbach
[17:53] <dholbach> thank YOU all :)
[21:53] <cjohnston> !ping rmb
[21:55] <danielmato> Good night
[21:58] <hggdh> ~ô~
[22:01] <cjohnston> #startmeeting Ubunut Memebership Board Meeting
[22:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec  6 22:01:30 2012 UTC.  The chair is cjohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:01] <cjohnston> #chair cjohnston
[22:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: cjohnston
[22:02] <cjohnston> #voters cjohnston hggdh PabloRubianes Pendulum
[22:02] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum cjohnston hggdh
[22:03] <cjohnston> Just a few minutes all.. trying to get this thing setup
[22:04] <cjohnston> doesn't appear as though abdobonna is here
[22:04] <cjohnston> #voters iulian
[22:04] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum cjohnston hggdh iulian
[22:04] <iulian> Ta.
[22:04] <cjohnston> kdub: ping
[22:04] <kdub> cjohnston, pong
[22:04] <cjohnston> #topic kdub membership application
[22:05] <cjohnston> kdub: give me just a second and then you can go
[22:06] <cjohnston> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for December 6 2012. The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[22:06] <cjohnston> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[22:06] <cjohnston> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:06] <cjohnston> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:06] <cjohnston> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:06] <cjohnston> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[22:06] <cjohnston> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[22:07] <cjohnston> kdub: that's you... tell us about yourself
[22:07] <kdub> ok, here's my wiki:
[22:07] <kdub> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinDuBois
[22:08] <cjohnston> #voters micahg
[22:08] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes Pendulum cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg
[22:08] <kdub> I've been involved in open source, mostly as a coder for the past many years. my primary ubuntu community activity is organizing meetings for the california loco for the san diego area
[22:08] <hggdh> and https://launchpad.net/~kdub
[22:08] <kdub> I've been involved in a couple upstream projects like compiz/vlc/ffmpeg off and on for a while now
[22:08] <kdub> ah yes, and that is my launchpad
[22:08] <kdub> thanks hggdh
[22:09] <hggdh> yw
[22:10] <micahg> kdub: have you ever considered contributing to Ubuntu development directly?
[22:10] <kdub> a while back (a few years) i tried my hand at some packaging for some optical character recognition applications
[22:10] <kdub> i've handed off their maintenence since then though, never got into the swing of it
[22:12] <kdub> some other things, was involved with the michigan loco from the time it started in about 2006 until i moved to california
[22:12] <kdub> and then started organizing some san diego ubuntu hours (there weren't any in my city)
[22:13] <cjohnston> kdub: I think we are ready to vote.
[22:13] <cjohnston> #vote Voting on kdub's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: Voting on kdub's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:13] <hggdh> +1 thank you for your work, and please do not stop ;-)
[22:13] <meetingology> +1 thank you for your work, and please do not stop ;-) received from hggdh
[22:13] <iulian> +1
[22:13] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[22:14] <cjohnston> +1
[22:14] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:14] <micahg> +1, nice community leadership
[22:14] <meetingology> +1, nice community leadership received from micahg
[22:14] <Pendulum> +1
[22:14] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[22:15] <cjohnston> #endvote
[22:15] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Voting on kdub's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:15] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:15] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:15] <cjohnston> Congrats kdub!
[22:15] <kdub> whoohoo :)
[22:15] <hggdh> kdub: welcome in
[22:15]  * kdub dances
[22:15] <Pendulum> kdub: congrats and welcome :)
[22:15] <kdub> thanks hggdh and Pendulum :D
[22:15] <cjohnston> #topic m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:15] <cjohnston> m_3: your up
[22:15] <m_3> Hi Y'all
[22:16] <m_3> I'm Mark Mims... wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkMims
[22:16] <m_3> I'm on the Juju Ecosystem Team
[22:16] <m_3> I write charms, teach charmschools, and help others integrate juju/charms into their current devops workflow
[22:17] <m_3> Part of that work involves going to conferences to talk and do booth-duty
[22:18] <m_3> I've done a bit of packaging... mostly in juju-related things (juju,juju-jitsu, charm-tools, charm-helpers)
[22:18] <m_3> but also outside of it things like ppas for hadoop, reconnoiter
[22:18] <cjohnston> What's this juju thing?
[22:18] <m_3> and then I've had some uploads sponsored for ganglia
[22:19] <m_3> cjohnston: ha!
[22:19] <m_3> funny you should ask... :)
[22:19] <cjohnston> juju deploy dinner -e office
[22:19] <m_3> cjohnston and I charmed up the summit app for the last LinuxPlumbers conf
[22:19] <hggdh> heh
[22:19]  * jcastro_ is here in support of m_3's application!
[22:20] <m_3> That's pretty much all I can remember about myself at this point of the day
[22:20]  * hggdh wonders who is jcastro_ ... ;-)
[22:20] <m_3> any questions on stuff?
[22:21] <hggdh> m_3: please wait a bit, backstage discussions
[22:21] <m_3> np
[22:22] <iulian> m_3: What area of physics are you a geek of?
[22:23] <m_3> I studied quantum computation
[22:23] <m_3> how much noise quantum algorithms can tolerate before being as slow as the classical versions
[22:23] <m_3> now I'm back in a physics department at USU and working more on distributed computing topics
[22:23] <Pendulum> m_3: have you interacted with the Ubuntu community for things other than charms or has that been the majority of your involvement?
[22:24] <cjohnston> #vote Voting on m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: Voting on m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:24] <m_3> Pendulum: I've packaged some things too... some of those out of deps for charms... some of those things out of just pure interest
[22:25] <iulian> m_3: Ah, boring. I was about to ask you a topological quantum field theory question but that's not really related. :)
[22:25] <m_3> lots of big data related stuff now like hadoop and r
[22:25] <hggdh> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[22:25] <cjohnston> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:25] <m_3> iulian: well.... you'd be surprised actually how much geometry goes into quantum coding.. code bundles and the like.  happy to chat on it in a pm anytime
[22:25] <Pendulum> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[22:25] <iulian> +1
[22:25] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[22:26] <micahg> +1
[22:26] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[22:26] <jcastro_> \o/
[22:26] <hggdh> who is this jcastro_ ?
[22:26] <cjohnston> #endvote
[22:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Voting on m_3's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:26] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:26] <hggdh> :-)
[22:26] <cjohnston> What hggdh said
[22:26] <m_3> whoohoo!
[22:26] <cjohnston> Congrats Mark!
[22:26] <m_3> thanks gang!
[22:26] <hggdh> m_3: welcome in sir
[22:26] <Pendulum> m_3: congrats and welcome :)
[22:26] <iulian> Congrats m_3.
[22:26] <hggdh> jcastro_: thank you for your support for m_3
[22:26] <cjohnston> #topic danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:27] <m_3> thansk a bunch
[22:27] <cjohnston> danielmato: your up.. tell us a little about yourself
[22:27] <danielmato> Hi to all
[22:27] <iulian> Hi there.
[22:27] <danielmato> I'm a video editor and open source enthusiastic
[22:28] <danielmato> I'm from uruguay
[22:28] <danielmato> working in the uruguay loco team
[22:28] <danielmato> this is my launchpad page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielMato
[22:29] <danielmato> i'm trying to give support as best as i can, in the community
[22:30] <danielmato> basically giving workshops, presentations, talks, migrations, and in the made of some tutorials
[22:31] <danielmato> collaborate in the new ubuntu uy page, as beta tester, and making some graphics
[22:32] <cjohnston> #vote danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:33] <PabloRubianes> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[22:33] <Pendulum> +1 keep up the great work!
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 keep up the great work! received from Pendulum
[22:33] <iulian> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[22:33] <hggdh> +1 thank you for all your help with the LoCo, and all your work for Ubuntu and free software
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 thank you for all your help with the LoCo, and all your work for Ubuntu and free software received from hggdh
[22:33] <cjohnston> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:33] <micahg> +1
[22:33] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[22:33] <cjohnston> #endvote
[22:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: danielmato's Ubuntu Membership Application
[22:33] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:33] <cjohnston> Congrats danielmato
[22:34] <danielmato> yeah!!! really thanks, i will keep the work up
[22:34] <hggdh> danielmato: bienvenido
[22:34] <danielmato> hggdh, gracias
[22:34] <hggdh> danielmato: de nada :-)
[22:34] <cjohnston> #topic ttoine's Membership Application
[22:34] <cjohnston> ttoine: your up
[22:34] <solarcloud_3scre> What meeting is this for exactl;y ?
[22:34] <ttoine> helloa all
[22:35] <ttoine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ttoine
[22:35] <iulian> solarcloud_3scre: See topic.
[22:35] <PabloRubianes> Vamo !!!
[22:35] <ttoine> I started to use Ubuntu at its very beginning, with Dapper
[22:35]  * holstein would like to thank ttoine for helping the ubuntustudio team.. here to show support!
[22:36] <ttoine> As a musician, I worked on how to produce music with free software, and the simplicity of Ubuntu started to be my new base
[22:36]  * solarcloud_3scre doesn't understand what 'membership' relates to ?
[22:36] <ttoine> I am not a developper with programmation skills
[22:36] <cjohnston> solarcloud_3scre: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[22:36] <ttoine> but I spend much of my time testing hardware, finding the key developper etc. to be sure that everything is working
[22:37] <ttoine> I am one of the founder of Ubuntu Studio, and still there to make it alive
[22:37] <solarcloud_3scre> "Membership is not required for contribution, but contribution is required for membership." this is an Odd meeting. :\
[22:37] <ttoine> I spend a lot of my free time on workshops, etc.
[22:38] <holstein> solarcloud_3scre: feel free and PM me if you have more questions.. otherwise a meeting is in progress. cheers
[22:39] <Pendulum> ttoine: Is there a reason that you've waited this long to apply for membership?
[22:39] <czajkowski> solarcloud_3scre: I did ask you not to interrupt their meeting
[22:40] <ttoine> Pendulum, I just didn't seen what use I could have
[22:41]  * zequence is also here to show support for ttoine
[22:41] <ttoine> but know that I am working on developping the Ubuntu Studio community, I clearly see the interest
[22:41] <Pendulum> ttoine: What have you been doing more recently? It feels like as far as documentation of your involvement goes, there was quite a bit a few years ago, but then a chunk in the middle where we don't see much until the last very short while?
[22:43] <ttoine> As i say I am not skilled with packaging etc.
[22:43] <micahg> ttoine: that's a different board ;)
[22:43] <ttoine> So I spend time with finding information, testing application in workflows
[22:43] <zequence> Recently ttoine has been involved in the Ubuntu Studio PR team, which is not yet actively creating news. ttoine will be a key person in that team
[22:44] <holstein> ttoine is working with creating a public relations team for ubuntustudio. trying to help us attract new users and team members
[22:44] <micahg> zequence: right, but membership is based on past contributions, not future ones (though we hope they continue)
[22:44] <ttoine> micahg, I have past contributions
[22:44] <Pendulum> holstein: how long has ttoine been working with you on Ubuntu Studio?
[22:45] <ttoine> and my current work for Ubuntu Studio can not be seen on launchpad
[22:45] <zequence> ttoine has been helping us define what that team is to do, by doing research etc
[22:45] <micahg> ttoine: right, but as Pendulum mentioned, there's this gap we're trying to piece together where it ended
[22:46] <holstein> Pendulum: this past cycle is when i noticed input.. though ttoine was around the project before i was there
[22:47] <ttoine> micahg, because on my wiki page, there is only "since 2007" ?
[22:48] <cjohnston> ttoine: I don't see anything in Launchpad or on the wiki page to show anything that you have been doing recently.
[22:48] <ttoine> cjohnston, because I am working on the community management at the moment
[22:49] <Pendulum> ttoine: we see that it says "since 2007", but we're only hearing testimonials from people who are saying "a couple months". No one is hear backing you up that you've been doing work consistantly since 2007
[22:49] <cjohnston> ttoine: do you have anything that you can show me with that?
[22:50] <micahg> From my IRC logs, I see activity from Mar/Apr this year, then mostly a break, then Nov on again
[22:50] <micahg> in #ubuntustudio-devel
[22:51] <ttoine> cjohnston, we are working on the moment at the creation of ubuntu studio pages on facebook, G+, twitter
[22:51] <ttoine> and about what we should post and where
[22:52] <cjohnston> The ubuntu studio page on facebook was created on 2/23/08
[22:52] <ttoine> the aim is to create a community of users and developpers. That' what I have always ask to the team, but it is quite recent as a goal. Mainly because in the past, we needed a lot of programmation skills
[22:53] <ttoine> for this summer, I had a surgery of shoulder and was off until I can work again
[22:53] <holstein> i know for me, i want ubuntustudio to have a venue for helping attract new users and developers.. and contribute upstream
[22:54] <cjohnston> I agree with that holstein
[22:54] <holstein> i think ttoine is trying to help us envision that goal
[22:54] <holstein> its a small team though.. and we have lots of developing contributors, but few contributing developers. if you know what i mean
[22:54] <ttoine> cjohnston, because I don't package and write code, you can't see my involvement, that's the point ?
[22:55] <hggdh> ttoine: no, not at all. What we are missing is this gap in the middle. And more testimonials covering it
[22:55] <Pendulum> ttoine: That's why we're asking about people who can testify on the amount of time/work you've done in the last year or os
[22:56] <holstein> i hope that through getting news out and having folks on the team like ttoine who are commiting to helping us shape our public image, we can better attract what we need
[22:56] <ttoine> hggdh, a big part of the Ubuntu Studio team has leave at the time current team leader started to lead
[22:57] <zequence> ttoine was very much involved in filling this page with content https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelations
[22:57] <ttoine> I am one of the last team member from the original team. That's why nobodyd can testify for this period
[22:57] <zequence> ..which is the preparation work for our public relations team
[22:58] <micahg> zequence: I see no edits from him, mostly you and ScottL
[22:58] <micahg> or rather all you and ScottL
[22:58] <micahg> and that page is only 1.5 months old
[22:58] <zequence> micahg: I've copied and pasted the text from a whiteboard for a blueprint, which ttoine helped put together
[22:58] <ttoine> micahg, a lot of things have been discussed with me on irc
[22:59] <zequence> ..and we did edit the page some more after that, of course
[22:59] <micahg> right, but again, that leaves us with the last couple months
[22:59] <ttoine> launchpad is not my favourite place
[22:59] <ttoine> micahg, that's right
[23:00] <ttoine> but think that between to release period, there is a lot of time where people like me are not very needed for developement
[23:00] <Pendulum> ttoine: We think you've done some good work. While we feel like we cannot approve you at this time, we'd really like you to gather some more testimonials for the time you've spent working in the last year or so and then reapply.
[23:01] <Pendulum> You don't need more things on launchpad, just more people who can say that they've witnessed at least 6 months of sustained contribution, please.
[23:01] <ttoine> Pendulum, ok
[23:01] <Pendulum> ttoine: if you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the board. I'm also happy to go over your wiki page with you if you contact me at pendulum@ubuntu.com
[23:02] <ttoine> Pendulum, I don't any question
[23:02] <cjohnston> Thanks to everyone for coming to the meeting and congrats to those who were accepted.
[23:02] <cjohnston> #endmeeting
[23:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec  6 23:02:46 2012 UTC.
[23:02] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-06-22.01.moin.txt
[23:02] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-06-22.01.html
[23:03] <ttoine> As I said, I didn't see the interest for me in the past years to be a "member". But now that it is important for Ubuntu Studio, It is not possible. Perhaps I should have attend many years ago...
[23:03] <hggdh> ttoine: you most certainly should have. Our only issue is that we cannot see the *sustained* piece of our requirements
[23:04] <hggdh> ttoine: so, if you get people to give you testiminials for the gap, you will be all set
[23:04] <Pendulum> hggdh: +1
[23:05]  * iulian nods.
[23:05] <ttoine> hggdh, I will try. But a lot of people are now off with their Ubuntu Studio involvement
[23:05] <ttoine> thanks for your time
[23:05] <hggdh> ttoine: but if they are still around, this is still possible
[23:32] <abk> hi
[23:35] <abdelrahmanbonna> hi