[00:00] AlanBell, Love to talk about: What Extensions and Plugins People Use On Their Web Browsers (firefox for example) [00:01] 'collusion'Ext. being a priority. [00:02] V. 0.24 atmo. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:34] How can I check if key is functioning as hardware one or as software one? [01:38] it is wifi enabled/disabled key in F12's place. I would like to make it active only as f12 because I don't want to turn of my wifi accidently. [01:43] run the command "xev" [01:43] from a terminal [01:43] it'll pop up a white window. any software-managed key you press in that white window will appear on the terminal behind it [01:45] so if I press f12 and it outputs nothing there is nothing I can do? [01:45] precisely [01:45] well, maybe turn it off in the BIOS [01:45] maybe [01:46] more friendly but less accurate is evtest. evtest /dev/input/by-id/mykeyboarddevice-event-kbd [01:47] thanks mate, I will try my luck in bios then I turn pc off. This new pc is like nightmare... :D [01:47] (sometimes a "keyboard" is treated as more than one device by the OS, e.g. this keyboard has two devices with different sets of keys, /dev/input/by-id/usb-Razer_Razer_Lycosa-event-kbd and /dev/input/by-id/usb-Razer_Razer_Lycosa-event-if01 [01:47] ) [01:48] Aivaras: For reference what PC is it, and what does the f12 key look like? [01:49] it is HP G6. and f12 like normal f12 [01:50] Aivaras: OK, and which version of Ubuntu? [01:50] (my mouse also shows up as both a mouse and a keyboard. the mouse is programmable, so this is how the keys can be programmed - the mouse identifies itself as both a mouse and a keyboard, and with the management software for windows, can be set to emit keyboard keys instead of mouse buttons as required) [01:50] (input devices are funny) [01:50] the latest 5 [01:50] oh [01:50] latest 64bit [01:50] (did you know most uninterruptable power supplies use the kernel's joystick driver to report battery levels?) [01:50] directhex: Admit it you've got a mean keyboard [01:50] penguin42, this is a hand me down from my wife. some of the keycaps have rubbed clear [01:51] asdcol are all see-through [01:51] I guess joysticks were a USB driven standard that had analogue values [01:51] and half the space bar [01:51] directhex: I hate to ask this question; but if your UPS reports that the fire button is pressed - what do you do? [01:52] set it on fire! duh [01:52] I've just cat [01:52] ... [01:52] i never tried running jstest on a UPS# [01:52] directhex: With UPSs I'd be more worried it was already on fire [01:53] I just cated /dev/input/by-path/ blah blah and f12 is not effective there too. [01:58] thanks guys, that was on BIOS. :) (strange F keys thing) [02:00] weird thing to break in a bios; they're getting more creative [02:01] But I was thinking are F keys so rearly used that HP decided them to make do suff ? [02:02] no! [02:02] That is what I was thinking [02:02] but why HP think differently? [02:02] this is getting pretty normal on laptops [02:02] Aivaras: I mean it's normally the type of thing where you have to hold down a Fn button together with the key toget it to have the special meaning some how [02:02] that's what my laptop does [02:03] that is what my old one did [02:03] and now new one does [02:03] mine defaults to hardware functions, with an option to reverse it [02:03] weird [02:03] mine is same as shauno [02:03] that's going to confuse the heck out of people for years to come [02:03] Aivaras: What layout keyboard is it - is it something they've only done on some layouts or all? [02:04] It is standart uk one [02:04] I think this is what they did [02:04] hmm [02:05] I was not able to do anything with my input devices in alsamixer because by default you are in output and you can move only(?) with F keys :D [02:07] oh god, we're going to have zillions of people falling over that [02:09] what if we would try to write HP some letters why it is bad to make options like this a default? [02:10] how the heck you get it to someone who understands is the challenge [08:05] Morning all [08:14] morning [08:21] morning [08:35] morningage === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [09:01] aloha [09:09] morning all [09:12] morning czajkowski MooDoo [09:20] jacobw: howdy [09:20] o/ [09:26] Another tumble weed day here again it seems :) [09:26] Good morning all! :-D [09:26] nothing to say. computers seem to be working [09:26] diplo, BOO! [09:26] ish. ymmv. ianal. [09:26] iddqd [09:28] yay activity [09:30] That's me done for today though. I'm just going to lurk now, same as always. [09:34] hah JamesTait [09:34] Shall we just highlight your name every 20 mins or so ? [09:34] :) [09:34] * JamesTait isn't listening. [09:34] Lalalalalaaa [09:35] Today I'm back on my own laptop, having resurrected the screen last night. Yesterday I was on my wife's laptop, and that doesn't notify me when I'm mentioned. [09:36] Oh, ok JamesTait :) [09:36] * JamesTait whistles [09:37] heh, I use irssi and not integrated it into anything yet so just get highlighted in the channe; [09:37] -; +l [09:37] Me too! [09:38] I found a script that does the notification thing, but it's not perfect. [09:38] * MooDoo uses irssi and have just been given a dell poweredge 1750 :) [09:38] * JamesTait ignores MooDoo. [09:38] JamesTait: :p [09:39] * JamesTait does /script unload notify [09:39] 1750 is old old isn't it [09:39] ? [09:39] We used to run the 2950's at my last place, they have to be 6-7 years old now [09:40] poweredge 1750 is pretty old, yeah [09:40] * JamesTait has an HP DL140 G1 gathering dust (and probably moisture) in the garage^Woffice. [09:40] p3, no? [09:41] hm, no, looks like p4-era xeon [09:41] heh was just about to type the same thing [09:42] * diplo just dragged out some servers from my garage and booted up [09:42] diplo: yes it is, still it's a server i can play with [09:42] Some p4's and Opteron 244 machines [09:42] MooDoo, +1 [09:43] Give all 3 to work in exchange for a HP Micro with lot's of ram and disks so I can run stuff locally in vm's down here [09:43] diplo: I'll probably put esxi on it [09:43] None of mine support it :( why i want to swap [09:44] diplo: ? [09:45] esxi [09:45] diplo: yeah sorry i meant why won't it work? [09:46] Sorry, half asleep.. no virtual extension support [09:47] All my servers, why I want to swap with work [09:47] ah! I olnly had one 32bit server so had to play with 3.5, hopefully I can use a new version lol [09:48] https://www.dropbox.com/s/aj6061303i9dfu4/IMG_20121109_094530.jpg [09:48] Old... :P [09:49] waiting for the page to load...waiting for the page to load [09:49] I know, it took forever for me as well [09:50] just have to find some scsi drives now. [09:50] 6 drives in the 4u [09:50] 4 in the supermicro now [09:50] and i think 2 in the custom one on top [09:50] yeah this poweredge can take 3, up to 425gb storage [09:55] If work doesn't want them, reckon they'll go on fleabay ? [09:58] Good morning peeps :) [10:06] good morning everyone, [10:06] good morning to you [10:07] good morning SuperMatt [10:10] good morning world [10:10] morning mungojerry [10:28] hello mungojerry === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [11:00] Morning All [11:01] morning davmor2 :) [11:02] MooDoo: you had snow up there yet, I'm getting jealous I've only had sunshine [11:02] davmor2: no mate, clear as a bell, not even a flurry [11:03] MooDoo: I reckon it's a conspiracy by the southerns [11:04] yeah are all gits. === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [11:08] Nope, none here either [11:08] Bloody freezing, but no snow [11:18] If I try a command as sudo I get the error "sudo: unable to cache group DOMAINNAME\Enterprise^Admins, already exists". What does this mean? WHy is it trying to cache something? [11:19] popey: ping [11:19] czajkowski, pong! [11:20] popey: ello, you in the office today/tomorrow? [11:20] no, day off today [11:20] popey: what time are you coming round? [11:20] AlanBell, just looking at train times [11:21] popey: ah okie dokie, wanted to give you the games [11:21] ah, not sure when I'll be in [11:22] AlanBell, hmm, wont make the 11:40 but will make the 12:16, gets to farnham at 1pm.. that okay? [11:22] oooh! [11:22] wifey has arrived home [11:22] no worries, will get them down to mine over the next few days as J is doing more trips [11:25] popey: yeah, that is fine, I just have to pop out to the pet shop at some point [11:25] hmm [11:25] wifey ill [11:25] oh :( [11:25] does that mean popey has to collect offspring later? [11:33] just working that out [11:35] popey: having just opened x-chat, your last line could mean anything [11:35] * bigcalm imagines everything [11:37] ooh, ash vale to farnham makes more sense [11:38] ok, will be there at 1pm, kids being sorted by other people === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [11:48] bigcalm, popey from 16 minutes ago was talking about, who has the job of collecting their sprog-s (from school), due to one of them being under-well. apparently they have outsourced this task to another guardian .. [Solarcloud, wishes he could outsource his FPS-Game today :] [11:49] erm, thanks [11:51] you did 'wonder'. [11:53] If I try a command as sudo I get the error "sudo: unable to cache group DOMAINNAME\Enterprise^Admins, already exists". What does this mean? WHy is it trying to cache something? [11:53] I am logging in as an Active Directory user [11:54] sounds like a likewise open issue [11:54] AlanBell, the thing that lets linux talk to AD? [11:54] I am guessing so [11:56] bug 548893 [11:56] Launchpad bug 548893 in sudo (Ubuntu) "1.7.2p1ubuntu3 (lucid) :Gid Duplicate verification problem with likewise" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/548893 [11:58] AlanBell, That be no moon last night, that was a solar-cloud :] http://goo.gl/KJmGB [12:19] does anyone have a combo washing machine/tumble dryer? [12:19] what's the consensus nowadays? [12:19] i have a good bosch washing machine but need a tumble dryer but have no space for it [12:20] i have one. [12:21] years ago they had bad rep [12:21] directhex, do they dry clothes OK? [12:21] reliability? [12:21] yeah. as long as it's not broken. [12:22] had it repaired once [12:22] by and large, they rate poorly for reliability compared to many white goods [12:22] still? [12:22] but that's something you deal with. e.g. by getting a 5 year warranty [12:23] mungojerry: whats above the washing machine [12:23] sister complains hers doesn't dr yht eclothes properly [12:23] the kitchen counter [12:24] mungojerry: sometimes they stand alone if that was the case you could of put a standard dry on top of the masher [12:24] washer even [12:24] missis wants to get a separate drier [12:24] don't put your clothes in a masher... ;) [12:24] but it will ruin our dining space [12:24] I don't have a dryer, I just hang things up to dry [12:24] and would have to hang the tube out of window [12:24] dwatkins, my sprog means lots of washing [12:25] never seems to dry [12:25] oh, and a GOOD device will cost you [12:25] mungojerry: can you get one of those things that goes above the bath and you hoist it down? [12:25] mungojerry: ah yes [12:25] ours is "good", has broken down once, and was more than £500 [12:25] mungojerry: the other option is a combined washer-dryer, of course [12:25] a top end one, aka Miele, is closer to £1k [12:25] directhex, model? [12:25] zanussi? [12:25] spend less than £450 or so, and you get one that's no better than in the 1990s [12:25] mungojerry, AEG [12:26] for white goods, buy german [12:26] I heard somewhere that there are only 2-3 manufacturers of machines nowadays [12:26] aeg, bosch, miele [12:26] in laws are saying they will buy us a £200 drier [12:26] skip other brands [12:26] so can put towards a combo one [12:26] the only difference is the casing and support you get, even Miele [12:26] shame that my bosch washer is still great [12:26] mungojerry: aeg or bosch [12:26] but it could pack up at any time, you never know [12:26] yeah, Bosch [12:27] weird question but my sister says hers doesn't dry things properly, could that be true? [12:28] combo ones are in fact awful [12:28] are the cycles really long? [12:28] they don't dry things properly [12:28] or else you have to put them on for multiple trips to dry [12:28] pita! [12:28] czajkowski, thats my questoin, is that all of them or just some [12:28] all I've ever had the displeasure of using [12:28] here in the current apt and in my old place in .ie [12:28] awful [12:29] I had a John Lewis washer/dryer, it still required me to hang things up to dry, czajkowski is not wrong. [12:30] mungojerry: do you have a garage and does it have power? [12:35] yes Dave2 [12:35] davmor2, [12:35] now i'm suspicous [12:36] mungojerry: stick the dryer in there [12:36] don't wanna ditch my good washer if the washer/drier combo is lame [12:36] davmor2, does this link work https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sS4suwImYJFkgSTd-IMhRJ2bNfMSoQ8T1DSghFVww2U?feat=directlink [12:37] gets bit damp and nasty [12:37] and spiders [12:39] I work with a guy who used to live in a commune in Spain, they found a broken down washing machine and got it working using an old motor and a solar panel. Much easier in Spain, of course. [12:41] wow, on a washing machine - that's impressive [12:42] penguin42: yeah, all it really did was churn the clothes around, but it was enough - and better than having to go to the stream to wash them [12:42] mungojerry: aye in the last place we stuck a tumble dryer in the shed, was the best thing we ever did [12:43] dwatkins: Should have used a dog in a wheel [12:48] not sure how i would damp proof my shed [12:48] haha, good plan penguin42 [12:48] mungojerry: it doesnt need to be damp proof tbh [12:48] get a condenser so it doesnt need to be pipped [12:48] mungojerry: a big tarp? [12:49] t/c [12:51] Quick question .. Will coreboot work with Ubuntu Raring ... as in here .. → http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221162835313?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 ?? [12:56] mungojerry: with the washer/dryers they have a much lower drying capacity than washing capacity, so you have to take out half the washed stuff for it to dry at all [12:57] this is all v depressing [12:57] might ask the missis about the shed idea but i don't think she will like it [12:57] condenser in the shed would work fine [12:58] we had a non-condensing one in the shed in the last house and I cut a hole in the perspex window to get the pipe out [12:58] we now have a condensing one in the house and it is fine [12:59] was your shed nice? [12:59] i have a concrete base [12:59] it was small [12:59] but it's got ivy growing on it and it gets really dank [12:59] posted a pic of mine up there ^^ [13:03] do parents in here do the father christmas thing? [13:03] mungojerry: thing? [13:03] don't like lying to my kid about that sort of thing, so i won't pretend the whole reindeer, presents, chimney thing [13:04] mungojerry: each to their own, but I do [13:04] and my kids love it [13:04] yeah my in-laws are bit cheesed off that i won't do it [13:05] apparently i never believed a word of it when i was a kid [13:07] mungojerry: miserable sod ;) [13:08] i prefer not to confuse him [13:09] blurs the line a bit too much between pretending and misinformatio [13:11] Did anyone get bootljv's Question @ 12:51 earlier ?? [13:20] mungojerry: bahhumbug you! [13:20] :D [13:20] mungojerry: do the christmas thing, all the other kids do it [13:20] we do christmas , very much so [13:21] i prefr to keep the real meaning [13:22] ah so you do the whole advent thing, christmas mass, nativity etc [13:22] czajkowski, Hi , how's Ireland doing at the moment ? [13:22] solarcloud: no idea I'm in England :) [13:23] .. oh I did chat to you on ubuntu-ie last month, I think. [13:23] czajkowski, very much [13:23] I fly back and forth ;) [13:23] we have a popey here [13:23] * solarcloud gets his nationalities wrong again ! [13:23] pub time :) [13:24] solarcloud: no you're fine, I'm Irish, living in London, I work ffrom home in london [13:24] but do fly back to .ie and work from there from time to time [13:24] AlanBell, Cafferys for-me please. [13:24] drunkards! [13:24] Ahh Ok then. [13:25] christel, You'll be havin' a Britvic, then ? [13:25] (nah i was just moaning about not being invited! ;)) [13:25] google hangout time ? [13:26] Does anyone actually Use Google hangout atall ? [13:27] IF THEY DO THEY NEVER INV..oh fine i'll stop complaining now! [13:28] what does INV mean ? [13:28] i was typing invited and then stopped, in a humourous fashion [13:28] i also cant spell humourous(!) [13:28] * solarcloud accepts complaints .. he listens . [13:30] mungojerry: what is "the father christmas" thing? :) [13:32] If you've got kids, this might bring a smile to their faces http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1pbuyGlQ0 It works for me (although I remember the original) :) [13:33] DJones: or if you're just a big kid! [13:33] :) [13:33] being foreign i have a different relationship with father christmas than you guys -- he's not some mystical guy who climbs down the chimney (he'd catch fire, our woodburners are in full flame all through winter in northern norway) [13:34] christel, yeah that sort of thing [13:34] and as a child he very much featured as part of christmas, insofar that reindeer would arrive with a jolly man carrying sacks of presents about an hour after we'd had dinner, he'd hand out gifts, have a cognac and head off to his next stop [13:34] christel, Yes, over here he's basically Bill from down the street dressed in Red after a couple of bevvies :) [13:35] pretending some father chrimstas guy brings you gifts rather than family and friends [13:35] christel: I thought you were going to start talking about the robot santa from Futurama then [13:35] that said -- noone ever told us he was "real" -- it was pretty obvious that it was some random friend of my dad who had nothing better to do, owned a few reindeer and rather enjoyed nice cognac [13:35] not sure whether to cash in some of my ARM shares [13:35] christel: not sure any of my neighbours own any reindeers :) [13:36] cows yes :) [13:36] but it was exciting nontheless as when we could hear the bells it meant that he was approaching and that in turn meant that it was nearly time for presents! [13:36] * solarcloud remembers Father Christmas being a Dutch Uncle too ! [13:38] as for my own parenting when it comes to father christmas, i've not really mentioned him, the boy wonder sometimes talks about father christmas because he's made father christmases and snowmen or whatever when at the childminders during the day -- but he's not really asked any questions which has necessitated me saying much either way (but he's still young) [13:40] Chortle, chortle. I remember one year I pull down santa's trousers and Said "That's not Santa, It's Uncle Boris !" .. To which he replied "Well santa's very busy and I'm just sub-contracted to help him out a little wil he's dropping off presents !", with his Prince Albert on full display ! ROTFL :D [13:42] **pulled ... trousers.. while [13:48] vistaprint have the worst business model [13:48] it's like installing freeware containing browser addons you have to siable [13:48] disable [13:49] mungojerry, I always use http://us.moo.com/products/business-cards.html .. worx a treat ! [13:50] i'm doing calendars [13:50] vistaprint have the best ones but lots of trickery and nastiness [13:50] and you ahve to find promo codes etc or you get ripped off [13:52] mungojerry, Is the calendar for business or home ? [13:52] my mum [13:53] http://www.snapfish.com/snapfish/photo-gifts/photo-calendars .. you'll get emails every 2 months , but they are *not* nasty . [13:54] truprint wasn't as nice [13:54] Don't know truprint .. What about snapfish ? [13:54] how much does it work out? [13:55] vista was £8 although probably nearer £5.50 if i had ordered a week ago and chose 21 day postage [13:55] the quality is really good [13:56] how much does a calendar from snepfish work out at ? Is that what you are asking ? [13:56] **snapfish [13:56] yeah, hidden costs, postage etc [13:56] No more than a tenner, mate [13:58] mungojerry, is that alright for you ? [13:58] yes, thanks [13:58] i'll bear them in mind [13:59] bookmark them at least ! [14:24] what about photobox.co.uk [14:51] Argh, libre office is driving me nuts [14:57] what's it doing? [14:58] Trying to get the print settings right so that a sheet I've got which covers 36 months will print on 3 pages with columns A&B the same on each page without it messing up the format of the other sheets in the spreadsheet [14:59] Also doesn't help that some sheets are portrait and some are landscape [15:40] AlanBell, Can you tell popey when you see him (not online atmo.) to get himself a copy of this weeks edition of MicroMart (Issue 1237 -5th December) as on Page pg32 it says in the printer buyers guide " ... hang-on.. a minute. [15:41] don't you hate trying to copy&paste from paper. terribly inefficient [15:42] "if you're ;looking for a cheap and cheerful MFP , the Kodak C310 (£60) if you want a decent MFP with higher-tier features' .. in the buying guide. [15:43] he did my head in Tuesday with his new printer search requests ! [15:59] does anyone else get a problem similar to this: http://www.supermatt.net/MyContent/terminal.webm [16:12] oh that's a little odd [16:12] (oh and I think that's the 1st time I've watched a .webm - it's great!) [16:13] SuperMatt: I think it might be even weirder that the recording keeps going [16:14] I KNOW [16:14] it seems that everything keeps going really, except for the visuals [16:14] SuperMatt: Do you have another machine you can ssh into it from? [16:14] uhm, could do [16:14] what are you going to suggest? [16:15] something like a vmstat 1 while you do that? [16:16] right, well I did that in a terminal and opened a new one. the first terminal paused and then *jumped* to where it should be [16:16] yeh which is why I was wondering about doing that from outside the gui [16:16] uh-huh [16:16] gimmie a tick [16:16] tock [16:19] it keeps going [16:20] no pausing at all [16:21] ok, cool; other thought - did you add anything to your .bashrc/.profile etc? [16:21] nope [16:22] the weird thing is that it'll be fine for a while, and then randomly it'll decide to happen [16:22] yeh they're annoying when they do that [16:23] SuperMatt: Does it happen with an xterm? [16:23] nope [16:23] what about other gnome apps? [16:23] nope [16:23] just gnome terminal [16:24] what if there isn't another gnome terminal running? [16:24] it's happened to me before on a completely different PC [16:24] and there's no hangover in terms of config because I changed job [16:24] one tick, let me check that out [16:25] same again [16:25] ok, what happens if you try starting it from a command line in the first terminal just by typing gnome-terminal ? [16:26] same thing [16:26] wait, let me try something [16:27] guess what happens the very second I turn off transparency? [16:29] it stops being a problem? [16:30] yup [16:30] I noticed that when the gnome-terminal bug hits, the transition time for the "timed" background gets logger and stuttery [16:30] so it could be that the transparency causing an issue, or the background is doing it [16:32] changed the background and it's still happening, which means it's a gnome-terminal issue [16:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/530094 [16:33] Ubuntu bug 530094 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "transparent background heavily delays gnome-terminal start up" [Low,Incomplete] [16:34] well great, it has just this minute decided to speed up again [16:35] SuperMatt: Is this related to whether the new terminal overlaps the old one? [16:38] it's back again [16:38] it's not due to overlapping [16:38] it can't be because it happens even when I have no terminals open [16:40] oh, and yes I am running the most recent nvidia drivers [16:40] SuperMatt: Do you gain any spew in .xsession-errors when you do it? [16:40] nothing :( [16:40] oh woe is me [16:41] SuperMatt: Have you considered just how nice a nice solid background would be? [16:41] NEVER! [16:42] brb [16:52] and I'm back [17:26] anyone got a quick easy way to download a list of files from apache file list page? [17:27] the directory listing page [17:27] wget can do that [17:27] rly [17:28] its just a single folder, no need for recursive behavior [17:30]