[00:34] <raevol> has anyone ever made /home a network mount?
[00:34] <akk> Years ago.
[00:34] <raevol> on like, multiple machines? so your session exists across those machines?
[00:34] <raevol> does it work?
[00:36] <akk> Used to work at a company that did that for all employees.
[00:37] <akk> But eventually, I hit a problem where I was down for nearly a week because there was a network problem
[00:37] <akk> and since /home was networked I couldn't even log in
[00:37] <akk> so I made myself a local /home/akkana and stopped using their networked one as my real homedir.
[00:37] <akk> I've never been a great believer in "the network is the computer" -- the minute you get comfortable with that, something breaks.
[00:40] <raevol> i see
[00:40] <raevol> but if there hadn't been a network problem it would have been ok?
[00:41] <akk> Sure, works fine as long as the network is up and running, and fast
[00:41] <akk> and doesn't have byte-order issues from NFS mounts across platforms.
[00:41] <akk> (That was a subtle bug that took us nearly a month to track down, when spellcheck in netscape mail didn't work for some people but worked for everyone else.)
[00:42] <raevol> hahaha interesting
[00:42] <raevol> does anything nasty happen if a user is logged in from multiple machines?
[00:43] <akk> Hmm, probably, if you use something like gnome or kde with a really complicated settings file scheme.
[00:43] <akk> Don't know if they do file locking or not, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn not.
[00:43] <raevol> yea...
[00:44] <akk> I never did that -- mostly don't use those environments, and seldom used the shared homedir across multiple machines anyway.
[00:48] <raevol> yea
[00:49] <raevol> ah well :) it was a nice idea
[00:50] <akk> One thing you can do, if you want to do it but you're worried about things like gnome config files:
[00:51] <akk> make a local area like /localhome, identify directories that might cause problems and e.g. symlink .gnome to /localhome/$username/.gnome
[00:52] <akk> Back when I ran gnome/kde, I did that for a while so I could boot into multiple distros on the same machine
[00:52] <raevol> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/roaming-profiles <- hm
[00:52] <darthrobot> Title: [Roaming Profiles for servers and removable media : Blueprints : Ubuntu]
[00:52] <akk> without gnome saying "oops, newer version, upgrading all the files" ... "oops, older version, downgrading all the files but getting way confused about a few of them" ... "oops, newer version, ..."
[00:53] <raevol> hahahha
[00:53] <raevol> oh gnome...
[00:53] <akk> Only problem is that gnome in particular tends to use 4-5 different directories so it's quite difficult to get a complete list of files/dirs that it might want to use.
[00:53] <raevol> yea
[00:53] <akk> I think kde is a little better behaved there.
[00:53] <raevol> i think i'd make sure all client machines were using the same DE
[00:56] <akk> You might still have problems, though -- what if you do something that updates settings from one machine, log out, it writes the settings, but another machine is still logged in, you log out and it overwrites (with the old settings)?
[00:57] <akk> Or, worse, if two machines both try to update at once and it doesn't use file locking.
[00:57] <raevol> yea
[00:57] <raevol> :/
[00:57] <raevol> i'll think about it
[00:57] <akk> (Maybe it does lock files, though.)
[00:57] <raevol> definitely not implementing it anytime soon, heh
[00:57] <raevol> but i gotta run for now
[00:57] <akk> I'd say try it and see, but be alert for problems like that, and consider symlinking some files to a local place.
[00:57] <raevol> if i ever try it i'll let you know :D
[00:57] <raevol> yea, that sounds like a good idea
[00:57] <raevol> ok
[00:57] <raevol> peace!
[00:57] <akk> If you try it, write it up!
[00:57] <raevol> for sure :)
[02:17] <pleia2> at the SF Ubuntu Hour :) 4 of us here
[02:23]  * akk waves, Hi everybody!
[02:30] <pleia2> :)
[16:42] <philipballew> 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) Alpha 1 Released!
[16:46] <philipballew> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2142/detail/
[16:46] <darthrobot> Title: [San Diego Ubuntu Hour | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[16:46] <philipballew> ^ COME ONE< COME ALL
[16:46] <philipballew> Ill be sending out an email in the next few minutes
[16:55] <philipballew> I really need some caffeine. Or sleep.....
[16:56] <philipballew> kdub, Ubuntu hour next Wednesday night if you have time.
[17:13] <philipballew> grantbow, around?
[17:36] <Torikun> yo
[17:36] <pleia2> hello
[18:30]  * jercos wonders if 13.10 will be "Sufferin' succotash"
[18:30] <jercos> or, 13.08?
[18:30]  * jercos pokes the release schedule
[18:30] <jercos> 13.10 indeed.
[18:31] <akk> supercilious seasnake
[20:34] <philipballew> Gareth, around for a quick pm?
[21:08] <Gareth> I was :)
[21:08] <Gareth> philipballew: here now.
[21:10] <philipballew> Gareth, about what is the time lone for getting the booth passes for all my volunteers? Want to let them be sure they are going so they can make travel plans.
[21:10] <philipballew> *line
[21:12] <Gareth> Once I send out the exhibitor kits (in the next couple weeks), there will be a coupon code that the volunteers can use to register.  the coupon code will mark them as an exhibitor.  the code doesn't expire.
[21:12] <philipballew> Gareth, thank you
[21:14] <Gareth> no worries.
[21:14] <Gareth> did you see my  message from the other day re: the youth event and the mailing list?
[21:14] <philipballew> no I did not.
[21:15] <philipballew> I am making up a draft this week to send to the last as a "Call for speakers"
[21:15] <Gareth> Was just a quick question if you wanted me to email the list with an introduction, say you were heading up the event and anyone who was interested in helping out should step forward.
[21:16] <philipballew> Gareth, that sounds really good.
[21:16] <philipballew> I think make a call for speakers next week and maybe some kids can make a speech up over their Christmas break.
[21:17] <Gareth> Sounds like a plan.  I'll send out that email later today.
[21:17] <philipballew> perfect.
[21:17] <raevol> philipballew: what booth?
[21:17] <philipballew> I have a friend who is 16 and runs a "lug" out of his high school I am trying to get currently to help out and maybe speak.
[21:17] <philipballew> raevol, the scale booth. You helped last time.
[21:17] <raevol> you're running the ubuntu-ca one this time?
[21:17] <philipballew> Remember all the fun you had because scale is so much fun?
[21:17] <raevol> it was a ton of fun :D
[21:18] <philipballew> raevol, more just helping out more
[21:18] <raevol> ok cool
[21:18] <raevol> i mean
[21:18] <raevol> not that i would mind you running it
[21:18] <raevol> but i was just curious if ubuntu-ca was becoming more SD oriented :D
[21:18] <philipballew> raevol, were all of california.
[21:18] <philipballew> Even Bakersfield
[21:19] <raevol> Even Bakersfield?
[21:19] <philipballew> Yes, even Bakersfield.
[21:20] <raevol> so i see
[21:20] <philipballew> raevol, will you be at the ubuntu hour or not?
[21:20] <raevol> i should be, yes
[21:20] <raevol> i have it on my calendar
[21:20] <raevol> and i don't have practice anymore
[21:20] <philipballew> No salsa?
[21:21] <raevol> i still salsa, but i am taking a break from the team
[21:21] <raevol> just social dancing now
[21:21] <philipballew> ah, thats pretty cool
[21:21] <raevol> it's way more relaxed
[21:21] <raevol> i worry that my skills will slip
[21:21] <raevol> but actually, with the less stress, i can probably social dance more, and work on my own stuff instead of team stuff
[21:21] <raevol> so it may be a boon... we'll see
[21:22] <philipballew> your to good for classes!!!
[21:22] <philipballew> pleia2, will be there as well. I'm gonna take the bus with her from the sys admin conference she is at to the place.
[21:23] <philipballew> raevol, http://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/14e90o/actual_san_diego_billboard_xpost_from_rwtf/
[21:23] <darthrobot> Title: [Actual San Diego billboard. X-post from r/WTF : sandiego]
[21:23] <philipballew> We are famous here
[21:24] <raevol> what the heck
[21:24] <raevol> wait why are we famous
[21:25] <philipballew> thats in sd
[21:25] <raevol> oh
[21:25] <raevol> SD is famous
[21:25] <philipballew> apparently by the bridge.
[21:26] <raevol> hehe
[21:29] <philipballew> raevol, did you ever figure out why your loco portal account was sucking?
[21:30] <raevol> yea some openID transaction bug
[21:30] <raevol> i forgot to check if it's still outstanding
[21:31] <philipballew> well if it's not, feel free to rsvp to the meeting
[21:32] <raevol> i'll take a look in a bit
[21:32] <raevol> btw i let my dad borrow that ubuntu book
[21:32] <raevol> and it helped him install flash so he could watch youtube :D
[21:32] <raevol> so yay
[21:32] <raevol> i upgraded him to 12.04 and gave him a new video card and monitor
[21:32] <raevol> he said it was like getting a whole new computer
[21:34] <philipballew> + 1 for that. sometimes a simple thing like an upgrade or a new piece of hardware really help.
[21:34] <raevol> yea
[21:34] <raevol> well his old monitor was going out, it was all blurry
[21:34] <raevol> though it's been like that basically since he got it...
[21:35] <raevol> and his machine had onboard video
[21:35] <philipballew> odd if you ask me
[21:35] <raevol> which is pretty good on linux tbh, but still discrete graphics are better
[21:35] <raevol> and the open source radeon driver is pretty nice
[21:35] <raevol> yea i dunno what was up with the monitor
[21:35] <raevol> but it's a gateway, what can ya do
[21:36] <philipballew> Never owned one, but they seem nice.
[21:37] <raevol> nah, they're not very good
[21:37] <raevol> cheap parts
[21:38] <philipballew> lame. I own a dell myself
[21:38] <raevol> cool
[21:38] <raevol> yea this is a desktop
[21:38] <raevol> i'm a big fan of desktops
[21:39] <raevol> but then i am a gamer
[21:39] <bkerensa> yay just got my Netatmo
[21:39] <bkerensa> and it supports Linux
[21:39] <bkerensa> :D
[21:39] <raevol> :D
[21:41] <bkerensa> the scary thing is it says co2 levels in my house are not kosher
[21:41] <bkerensa> :D
[21:42] <philipballew> I use a weather rock
[21:43] <philipballew> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_rock
[21:43] <darthrobot> Title: [Weather rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[21:43]  * philipballew runs and hides
[21:44] <raevol> hahaha that is amazing
[21:46] <bkerensa> lol
[21:46] <bkerensa> philipballew: weather rock doesnt tell you if your home has c02 or other pollutants
[21:47] <raevol> if can't breathe: too much CO2
[21:47] <philipballew> yeah, my family's house has never ever owned a smoke alwrm. We should really look into something like that
[21:49]  * kdub has ubuntu membership review coming up in 10 minutes...
[21:49] <philipballew> kdub, where can I give my testimony?
[21:49] <raevol> aha
[21:50] <kdub> philipballew, you did a while back on my wiki page! thanks
[21:51] <philipballew> kdub, anytime! If you need any recommendations during the meeting, feel free to ping.
[22:16] <philipballew> Congrats to our own loco member kdub on becoming an Ubuntu member!
[22:16] <kdub> thanks philipballew :D
[22:16] <philipballew> np!
[22:19] <raevol> anyone used php and sqlite?
[22:20]  * philipballew is off to get lunch
[22:20] <raevol> is it good for sites where multiple users will be accessing a database simultaneously? as in, can it handle more than one person accessing it at a time? and by "multiple users" i mean like 5, not 5,000
[22:26] <akk> yay kdub!
[22:29] <raevol> from what i am reading it looks like it's fine
[22:29] <raevol> woo this is exciting
[22:31] <pleia2> congrats kdub :)
[22:32] <kdub> thanks pleia2 and akk :D
[22:32] <raevol> grats
[23:10] <jercos> raevol: yes, one of the core features of SQLite is simultaneous access
[23:10] <raevol> cool
[23:10] <jercos> :)
[23:10] <raevol> i can't get it to run sqlite_libversion()
[23:10] <raevol> even though phpinfo() says it's enabled
[23:11] <jercos> hrm, maybe you have SQLite3? :p
[23:11] <raevol> i do
[23:11] <raevol> we;;
[23:11] <raevol> well
[23:11] <raevol> but that doesn't work either
[23:11] <jercos> no?
[23:11] <raevol> you mean call sqlite3_libversion ?
[23:11] <jercos> no
[23:12] <raevol> :[
[23:12] <jercos> SQLite3::version()
[23:12] <raevol> ze heck
[23:12] <jercos> just uh
[23:12] <jercos> <?php print_r(SQLite3::version()); ?>
[23:12] <jercos> the PHP SQLite3 interface is OO >.>
[23:12] <jercos> note that SQLite *will* have a higher I/O load and wait, and thus under load will slow down much more quickly than a database server.
[23:13] <raevol> my version is Array
[23:13] <raevol> oh
[23:13] <raevol> print_r
[23:13] <jercos> yup
[23:13] <raevol> yea, but this db should only be accessed by 5 ppl at a time tops
[23:13] <raevol> usually only one
[23:13] <jercos> http://php.net/manual/en/book.sqlite3.php
[23:13] <darthrobot> Title: [PHP: SQLite3 - Manual]
[23:13] <jercos> cool, then it's perfect :p
[23:13] <raevol> and if it's slow, they can damn well wait :P
[23:14] <jercos> lol, I mean slow on the order of waiting a second or more for a page
[23:14] <jercos> so if this isn't like, for your school or job or something where you want it to look extra good, that's fine.
[23:15] <raevol> it's for my job
[23:15] <jercos> It's just that SQLite's locks on files and subsets of a file are by neccessity less efficient than those that a single database server can handle, 'cause there isn't any server, each library accesses the backing file seperately.
[23:15] <raevol> but i promise it will be better than the excel files on a samba share that we are using now :D
[23:15] <jercos> oh yes
[23:15] <jercos> thousands of times better
[23:15]  * jercos salutes
[23:16] <raevol> hehe
[23:16] <jercos> carry on, brave soul
[23:16] <raevol> why thank ya
[23:16] <raevol> hmm never used this print_r thing before, it doesn't play with strings quite like echo does