| cy1 | Will someone tell me why you can't buy a new laptop TODAY that can boot with a USB stick? | 06:20 |
|---|---|---|
| bkero | I boot my thinkpad with a usb stick | 06:20 |
| cy1 | Every USB stick boot I've tried has been horrible. | 06:21 |
| cy1 | It's like cmp /dev/sdb arch.iso => no problems | 06:21 |
| cy1 | but boot it? | 06:21 |
| bkero | ISOLINUX != SYSLINUX | 06:21 |
| cy1 | Isolinux checksum failed sorry rebooting. uncompression failed. System halted. Blank screen, system frozen. Isolinux loads up, system dies and reboots. | 06:22 |
| cy1 | I don't follow, bkero. | 06:22 |
| bkero | ISOLINUX isn't meant for USB drives... | 06:22 |
| cy1 | well yeah. The arch ISO says it's a "hybrid" that works w/ both. | 06:22 |
| bkero | You're using the wrong bootloader, of course you can't get anything to boot. | 06:22 |
| cy1 | unetbootin can't make anything bootable either. | 06:22 |
| * bkero shrugs. Have fun with your arch instructions then. :) | 06:23 | |
| cy1 | nooo save me | 06:23 |
| cy1 | but seriously | 06:23 |
| * bkero simply uses the ubuntu usb creator and boots that, then untars his gentoo tarball | 06:23 | |
| cy1 | Ah, I was using unetbootin. Not good enough I suppose? | 06:23 |
| bkero | unetbootin sucks | 06:25 |
| cy1 | may have found Ubuntu USB creator, hm... | 06:29 |
| philipballew | cy1, is this a windows 8 laptop? | 06:30 |
| cy1 | philipballew: It's blank. | 06:30 |
| philipballew | but was it originally windows 8? | 06:30 |
| cy1 | No? | 06:31 |
| philipballew | ok, | 06:31 |
| cy1 | What would it matter? | 06:31 |
| philipballew | because windows 8 laptops have the bios designed to not boot anything other then windows8 | 06:31 |
| cy1 | Huh. | 06:31 |
| philipballew | so you said now, and i thought that might be your problem. | 06:32 |
| philipballew | *new | 06:32 |
| cy1 | Well, no it's not, thank goodness. I don't want a single buck to go to MS. | 06:32 |
| philipballew | thats good. | 06:33 |
| philipballew | I hear they are in the decline these days since everyone wants an ipad or galaxy and no one wants a surface. | 06:33 |
| cy1 | meh, Apple is worse | 06:33 |
| philipballew | yeah, the company is not well liked in the Linux community. | 06:34 |
| cy1 | Galaxy phones are OK I suppose | 06:34 |
| cy1 | hard to root :/ | 06:34 |
| philipballew | If I had to choose, id rather have unix then windows and apple provides. Though I don't like apples to much. | 06:35 |
| bkero | That depends if it's ARM based or x86 based. x86-based laptops are required to let you boot alternate bootloaders, and Matthew Garrett released a UEFI-based grub last week | 06:36 |
| bkero | Microsoft even signed it | 06:36 |
| cy1 | lol they got forced to sign something? | 06:36 |
| philipballew | bkero, thats right, recent news. I remember that | 06:36 |
| philipballew | probably gonna buy a system 76 or a dell ubuntu laptop next | 06:37 |
| cy1 | can't imagine how else they'd do it. | 06:37 |
| philipballew | oe zareason | 06:37 |
| cy1 | philipballew: Ah, yeah this is a system 76 one! | 06:37 |
| philipballew | cy1, call their support tomorrow. They are nice people. | 06:37 |
| bkero | ...call? O_o | 06:38 |
| cy1 | philipballew: I'm not gonna call their support and ask why Isolinux won't work on a USB stick. | 06:38 |
| philipballew | ah, seems good. The people from there I have met, I am really impressed with. | 06:39 |
| cy1 | bkero already cleared that up :) | 06:39 |
| philipballew | cy1, just use a cd? | 06:40 |
| cy1 | philipballew: I never get to boot from USB though!! :'( | 06:40 |
| cy1 | yeah I should just use a CD | 06:40 |
| philipballew | i have to many 12.10 cd's just laying here waiting to be had | 06:41 |
| cy1 | Well, I tend to prefer Arch but whatever. | 06:41 |
| philipballew | they are all nice for the most part. | 06:42 |
| cy1 | As long as I can set up the partitions with LVM it's fine. | 06:42 |
| philipballew | as long as I have chrome and my music player i am fine | 06:42 |
| cy1 | I like having unused space set aside so I can grow home or root as needed. 2 gigabytes used to be enough for root :/ | 06:42 |
| philipballew | well a shell, but we all know thats there | 06:42 |
| cy1 | chrome, not enlightenment??? | 06:43 |
| philipballew | yeah, chrome... | 06:43 |
| philipballew | what should I use? | 06:43 |
| cy1 | You'd be surprised how hard it is to access the shell from Unity | 06:43 |
| philipballew | ctrl alt t? | 06:43 |
| cy1 | philipballew: I have no idea. I hate web browsers in general. | 06:43 |
| philipballew | the terminal is on my side launcher | 06:43 |
| philipballew | and i can get to a tty easy to. | 06:44 |
| cy1 | I never figured out how to finagle stuff onto that. | 06:44 |
| philipballew | ah, I think unity is around on arch | 06:44 |
| cy1 | I'll pass. | 06:45 |
| philipballew | I use lxde with arch normally | 06:45 |
| cy1 | lxde has problems... | 06:45 |
| philipballew | so cy1 how do you surf the web? | 06:45 |
| philipballew | lxde does what I need though | 06:45 |
| cy1 | philipballew: I TELL MY FRIEND TO EMAIL ME THE PAGES >:T | 06:45 |
| philipballew | cy1, nice!!! | 06:46 |
| cy1 | Stallman would be proud `-` | 06:46 |
| philipballew | but arch has non free software? | 06:47 |
| cy1 | So does Ubuntu. | 06:47 |
| philipballew | its true, using them right now to listen to some mp3's | 06:48 |
| cy1 | XFCE has a window list applet. You click it, it pops up a list of your screens and which windows on which screen. lxde ain't got nothin like that. | 06:48 |
| philipballew | That is good that that works for you | 06:49 |
| cy1 | XFCE also has recursive launchers. A launcher can have a list of programs to select from. lxde needs one launcher per program, no grouping. Takes up a lot more space. | 06:49 |
| cy1 | Sure you could write a program that pops up a menu of programs, but sadly at least for lxde nobody's done it yet. | 06:49 |
| cy1 | Also lxde's system tray misaligns icons. | 06:50 |
| cy1 | Also lxde conflates the file manager with the desktop background manager. Can't run one without the other. xfdesktop is niice. | 06:51 |
| cy1 | So, that's what I gathered from trying out lxde. | 06:51 |
| philipballew | Seems like it has a lot of features | 06:52 |
| cy1 | Not really. | 06:53 |
| cy1 | Stays out of my way. No magic. I like that. | 06:53 |
| cy1 | I don't even have compiz enabled. | 06:53 |
| philipballew | ah, I do. | 06:53 |
| cy1 | IMO the transparancy just made stuff hard to read :p | 06:54 |
| bkerensa | holy batman | 07:16 |
| bkerensa | >.< | 07:16 |
| bkerensa | this channel exploded | 07:16 |
| cy1 | just talkin with philipballew :p | 07:20 |
| philipballew | bkerensa, your welcome? | 07:27 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 07:30 |
| philipballew | hope all is well in Oregon. | 07:31 |
| cy1 | bkero: I'm almost 100% sure the problem isn't using Isolinux. | 07:41 |
| cy1 | The different flavors of syslinux are just tailored to different filesystems on the bootable device, Isolinux to ISO9951, Syslinux to fat32, Extlinux to ext2/3, etc. | 07:42 |
| cy1 | So if you put an ISO filesystem on a USB stick, Isolinux should still work fine. I'm just getting corrupted data coming from my USB stick (but only during bootstrapping) | 07:42 |
| bkero | k | 07:43 |
| cy1 | bkero: so next time don't advise someone that Isolinux can't work on a USB stick. :/ | 07:43 |
| cy1 | thanx | 07:43 |
| * cy1 eyeballs this USB stick SD card reader suspiciously | 07:46 | |
| bkero | Starting in version 3.72, ISOLINUX supports a "hybrid mode" which can be booted from either CD-ROM or from a device which BIOS considers a hard disk or ZIP disk, e.g. a USB key or similar. | 07:48 |
| bkero | To enable this mode, the .iso image should be postprocessed with the "isohybrid" script from the utils directory: | 07:48 |
| bkero | isohybrid filename.iso | 07:48 |
| bkerensa | bkero: you should be in Oregon | 07:49 |
| bkerensa | =/ | 07:49 |
| cy1 | bkero: wrong again! ...I am. Me, not you. I'm wrong, again. | 08:19 |
| cy1 | anyway switching card readers made it work, though the second one had a ton of SQUASHFS AHGAWDTHISISN'TGOOD errors that sometimes froze stuff. On the hard disk now, no USB! | 08:20 |
| bkero | bkerensa: Won't be in Oregon until February, sorry. | 08:28 |
| bkero | Is something going on in Oregon besides frigid weather? | 08:28 |
| bkerensa | bkero: Firefox Donuts on the 11th | 08:28 |
| bkerensa | :) | 08:28 |
| bkero | bkerensa: take pics | 08:28 |
| bkerensa | Hmm February I should be in California | 08:28 |
| bkerensa | bkero: Oh I will | 08:28 |
| bkerensa | BBG-Nathan: hello | 20:55 |
| BBG-Nathan | hi bkerensa | 22:44 |
| BBG-Nathan | what's up? | 22:44 |
| bkerensa | BBG-Nathan: nothing much just got out of a conference call now I need to go find foods :) | 22:48 |
| bkerensa | BBG-Nathan: oh and I bought a car today | 22:48 |
| BBG-Nathan | heyo! | 22:48 |
| BBG-Nathan | what kinda car? | 22:48 |
| MaskilPDX | bkerensa, If you have time, can I ask a question? | 22:54 |
| MaskilPDX | No hurry | 22:54 |
| bkerensa | BBG-Nathan: see pm | 22:56 |
| tgm4883 | bkerensa, have you seen any issues with booting a live usb with uefi enabled? | 22:58 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: no I have not heard of any | 22:59 |
| bkerensa | wait | 22:59 |
| bkerensa | I think I may have actually | 22:59 |
| bkerensa | my laptop has uefi | 22:59 |
| bkerensa | and it doesnt seem to like the live usb | 22:59 |
| bkerensa | but it could be totally unrelated | 22:59 |
| tgm4883 | you can boot from live CD? | 23:00 |
| tgm4883 | just not USB? | 23:00 |
| tgm4883 | I've just got a new 14z, and it won't boot live USB with UEFI enabled | 23:00 |
| MaskilPDX | tgm4883, You may need to switch to legacy AHCI in your BIOS | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: correct | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: and I think this may have started when I enabled it | 23:02 |
| tgm4883 | MaskilPDX, legacy AHCI? | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: ill test later | 23:02 |
| tgm4883 | MaskilPDX, I don't have a setting like that | 23:03 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: I do | 23:11 |
| bkerensa | :D | 23:11 |
| MaskilPDX | sorry tgm4883 | 23:11 |
| MaskilPDX | ATA vs AHCI | 23:11 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: and I have a 14z | 23:11 |
| bkerensa | :D | 23:11 |
| tgm4883 | bkerensa, nice, so I should be able to boot a CD then? | 23:12 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: yes | 23:13 |
| tgm4883 | ok, let me burn 12.10 to a DVD | 23:14 |
| c_smith | I have legacy AHCI, but haven't had to enable it on 12.10 | 23:17 |
| c_smith | Windows is a tough one to install on UEFI, though, as my laptop doesn't allow me to disable UEFI, nor does it give the option to boot the Windows install medium in UEFI. | 23:17 |
| c_smith | often times have to resort to the EFI Shell | 23:18 |
| * c_smith is sitting happily on Kubuntu 12.10 | 23:18 | |
| tgm4883 | is the AHCI stuff under sata settings? | 23:21 |
| tgm4883 | cause that is the closest thing I have to it | 23:22 |
| c_smith | tgm4883, I'd imagine so. | 23:23 |
| c_smith | but I'd still recommend 12.10 like bkerensa did. | 23:23 |
| * c_smith goes back to configuring a CyanogenMod 10 rom on his tablet | 23:24 | |
| tgm4883 | bkerensa, did you have to turn off secure boot? | 23:32 |
| c_smith | tgm4883, I would, it looks like it's not even supported in 12.10 | 23:35 |
| c_smith | otherwise, Ubuntu won't boot. | 23:35 |
| tgm4883 | c_smith, it's supported, I know someone that installed with it | 23:36 |
| c_smith | tgm4883, then I am a bit behind on the news. | 23:37 |
| c_smith | still, I've heard it's a tough cookie to work with. | 23:37 |
| tgm4883 | I can't get this to boot with uefi enabled though, so IDK | 23:37 |
| c_smith | disabling UEFI effectively disables secure boot since secure boot is part of the UEFI specs. | 23:38 |
| tgm4883 | yea | 23:38 |
| c_smith | that much I know. | 23:38 |
| c_smith | can't say my laptop has a way to enable secure boot, and I know it's disabled, since A. it came with Win7, and B. Ubuntu confirmed it wasn't enabled. | 23:39 |
| c_smith | hah. some idiot asked if Windows 8 could be ported to the A100: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1636727 | 23:40 |
| c_smith | porting windows 8 to unsupported hardware is tough according to what I'm reading. | 23:40 |
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