[06:20] <cy1> Will someone tell me why you can't buy a new laptop TODAY that can boot with a USB stick?
[06:20] <bkero> I boot my thinkpad with a usb stick
[06:21] <cy1> Every USB stick boot I've tried has been horrible.
[06:21] <cy1> It's like cmp /dev/sdb arch.iso => no problems
[06:21] <cy1> but boot it?
[06:21] <bkero> ISOLINUX != SYSLINUX
[06:22] <cy1> Isolinux checksum failed sorry rebooting. uncompression failed. System halted. Blank screen, system frozen. Isolinux loads up, system dies and reboots.
[06:22] <cy1> I don't follow, bkero.
[06:22] <bkero> ISOLINUX isn't meant for USB drives...
[06:22] <cy1> well yeah. The arch ISO says it's a "hybrid" that works w/ both.
[06:22] <bkero> You're using the wrong bootloader, of course you can't get anything to boot.
[06:22] <cy1> unetbootin can't make anything bootable either.
[06:23]  * bkero shrugs. Have fun with your arch instructions then. :)
[06:23] <cy1> nooo save me
[06:23] <cy1> but seriously
[06:23]  * bkero simply uses the ubuntu usb creator and boots that, then untars his gentoo tarball
[06:23] <cy1> Ah, I was using unetbootin. Not good enough I suppose?
[06:25] <bkero> unetbootin sucks
[06:29] <cy1> may have found Ubuntu USB creator, hm...
[06:30] <philipballew> cy1, is this a windows 8 laptop?
[06:30] <cy1> philipballew: It's blank.
[06:30] <philipballew> but was it originally windows 8?
[06:31] <cy1> No?
[06:31] <philipballew> ok,
[06:31] <cy1> What would it matter?
[06:31] <philipballew> because windows 8 laptops have the bios designed to not boot anything other then windows8
[06:31] <cy1> Huh.
[06:32] <philipballew> so you said now, and i thought that might be your problem.
[06:32] <philipballew> *new
[06:32] <cy1> Well, no it's not, thank goodness. I don't want a single buck to go to MS.
[06:33] <philipballew> thats good.
[06:33] <philipballew> I hear they are in the decline these days since everyone wants an ipad or galaxy and no one wants a surface.
[06:33] <cy1> meh, Apple is worse
[06:34] <philipballew> yeah, the company is not well liked in the Linux community.
[06:34] <cy1> Galaxy phones are OK I suppose
[06:34] <cy1> hard to root :/
[06:35] <philipballew> If I had to choose, id rather have unix then windows and apple provides. Though I don't like apples to much.
[06:36] <bkero> That depends if it's ARM based or x86 based. x86-based laptops are required to let you boot alternate bootloaders, and Matthew Garrett released a UEFI-based grub last week
[06:36] <bkero> Microsoft even signed it
[06:36] <cy1> lol they got forced to sign something?
[06:36] <philipballew> bkero, thats right, recent news. I remember that
[06:37] <philipballew> probably gonna buy a system 76 or a dell ubuntu laptop next
[06:37] <cy1> can't imagine how else they'd do it.
[06:37] <philipballew> oe zareason
[06:37] <cy1> philipballew: Ah, yeah this is a system 76 one!
[06:37] <philipballew> cy1, call their support tomorrow. They are nice people.
[06:38] <bkero> ...call? O_o
[06:38] <cy1> philipballew: I'm not gonna call their support and ask why Isolinux won't work on a USB stick.
[06:39] <philipballew> ah, seems good. The people from there I have met, I am really impressed with.
[06:39] <cy1> bkero already cleared that up :)
[06:40] <philipballew> cy1, just use a cd?
[06:40] <cy1> philipballew: I never get to boot from USB though!! :'(
[06:40] <cy1> yeah I should just use a CD
[06:41] <philipballew> i have to many 12.10 cd's just laying here waiting to be had
[06:41] <cy1> Well, I tend to prefer Arch but whatever.
[06:42] <philipballew> they are all nice for the most part.
[06:42] <cy1> As long as I can set up the partitions with LVM it's fine.
[06:42] <philipballew> as long as I have chrome and my music player i am fine
[06:42] <cy1> I like having unused space set aside so I can grow home or root as needed. 2 gigabytes used to be enough for root :/
[06:42] <philipballew> well a shell, but we all know thats there
[06:43] <cy1> chrome, not enlightenment???
[06:43] <philipballew> yeah, chrome...
[06:43] <philipballew> what should I use?
[06:43] <cy1> You'd be surprised how hard it is to access the shell from Unity
[06:43] <philipballew> ctrl alt t?
[06:43] <cy1> philipballew: I have no idea. I hate web browsers in general.
[06:43] <philipballew> the terminal is on my side launcher
[06:44] <philipballew> and i can get to a tty easy to.
[06:44] <cy1> I never figured out how to finagle stuff onto that.
[06:44] <philipballew> ah, I think unity is around on arch
[06:45] <cy1> I'll pass.
[06:45] <philipballew> I use lxde with arch normally
[06:45] <cy1> lxde has problems...
[06:45] <philipballew> so cy1 how do you surf the web?
[06:45] <philipballew> lxde does what I need though
[06:45] <cy1> philipballew: I TELL MY FRIEND TO EMAIL ME THE PAGES >:T
[06:46] <philipballew> cy1, nice!!!
[06:46] <cy1> Stallman would be proud `-`
[06:47] <philipballew> but arch has non free software?
[06:47] <cy1> So does Ubuntu.
[06:48] <philipballew> its true, using them right now to listen to some mp3's
[06:48] <cy1> XFCE has a window list applet. You click it, it pops up a list of your screens and which windows on which screen. lxde ain't got nothin like that.
[06:49] <philipballew> That is good that that works for you
[06:49] <cy1> XFCE also has recursive launchers. A launcher can have a list of programs to select from. lxde needs one launcher per program, no grouping. Takes up a lot more space.
[06:49] <cy1> Sure you could write a program that pops up a menu of programs, but sadly at least for lxde nobody's done it yet.
[06:50] <cy1> Also lxde's system tray misaligns icons.
[06:51] <cy1> Also lxde conflates the file manager with the desktop background manager. Can't run one without the other. xfdesktop is niice.
[06:51] <cy1> So, that's what I gathered from trying out lxde.
[06:52] <philipballew> Seems like it has a lot of features
[06:53] <cy1> Not really.
[06:53] <cy1> Stays out of my way. No magic. I like that.
[06:53] <cy1> I don't even have compiz enabled.
[06:53] <philipballew> ah, I do.
[06:54] <cy1> IMO the transparancy just made stuff hard to read :p
[07:16] <bkerensa> holy batman
[07:16] <bkerensa> >.<
[07:16] <bkerensa> this channel exploded
[07:20] <cy1> just talkin with philipballew :p
[07:27] <philipballew> bkerensa, your welcome?
[07:30] <bkerensa> ;p
[07:31] <philipballew> hope all is well in Oregon.
[07:41] <cy1> bkero: I'm almost 100% sure the problem isn't using Isolinux.
[07:42] <cy1> The different flavors of syslinux are just tailored to different filesystems on the bootable device, Isolinux to ISO9951, Syslinux to fat32, Extlinux to ext2/3, etc.
[07:42] <cy1> So if you put an ISO filesystem on a USB stick, Isolinux should still work fine. I'm just getting corrupted data coming from my USB stick (but only during bootstrapping)
[07:43] <bkero> k
[07:43] <cy1> bkero: so next time don't advise someone that Isolinux can't work on a USB stick. :/
[07:43] <cy1> thanx
[07:46]  * cy1 eyeballs this USB stick SD card reader suspiciously
[07:48] <bkero> Starting in version 3.72, ISOLINUX supports a "hybrid mode" which can be booted from either CD-ROM or from a device which BIOS considers a hard disk or ZIP disk, e.g. a USB key or similar.
[07:48] <bkero> To enable this mode, the .iso image should be postprocessed with the "isohybrid" script from the utils directory:
[07:48] <bkero>         isohybrid filename.iso
[07:49] <bkerensa> bkero: you should be in Oregon
[07:49] <bkerensa> =/
[08:19] <cy1> bkero: wrong again! ...I am. Me, not you. I'm wrong, again.
[08:20] <cy1> anyway switching card readers made it work, though the second one had a ton of SQUASHFS AHGAWDTHISISN'TGOOD errors that sometimes froze stuff. On the hard disk now, no USB!
[08:28] <bkero> bkerensa: Won't be in Oregon until February, sorry.
[08:28] <bkero> Is something going on in Oregon besides frigid weather?
[08:28] <bkerensa> bkero: Firefox Donuts on the 11th
[08:28] <bkerensa> :)
[08:28] <bkero> bkerensa: take pics
[08:28] <bkerensa> Hmm February I should be in California
[08:28] <bkerensa> bkero:  Oh I will
[20:55] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: hello
[22:44] <BBG-Nathan> hi bkerensa
[22:44] <BBG-Nathan> what's up?
[22:48] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: nothing much just got out of a conference call now I need to go find foods :)
[22:48] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: oh and I bought a car today
[22:48] <BBG-Nathan> heyo!
[22:48] <BBG-Nathan> what kinda car?
[22:54] <MaskilPDX> bkerensa, If you have time, can I ask a question?
[22:54] <MaskilPDX> No hurry
[22:56] <bkerensa> BBG-Nathan: see pm
[22:58] <tgm4883> bkerensa, have you seen any issues with booting a live usb with uefi enabled?
[22:59] <bkerensa> tgm4883: no I have not heard of any
[22:59] <bkerensa> wait
[22:59] <bkerensa> I think I may have actually
[22:59] <bkerensa> my laptop has uefi
[22:59] <bkerensa> and it doesnt seem to like the live usb
[22:59] <bkerensa> but it could be totally unrelated
[23:00] <tgm4883> you can boot from live CD?
[23:00] <tgm4883> just not USB?
[23:00] <tgm4883> I've just got a new 14z, and it won't boot live USB with UEFI enabled
[23:02] <MaskilPDX> tgm4883, You may need to switch to legacy AHCI in your BIOS
[23:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: correct
[23:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: and I think this may have started when I enabled it
[23:02] <tgm4883> MaskilPDX, legacy AHCI?
[23:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: ill test later
[23:03] <tgm4883> MaskilPDX, I don't have a setting like that
[23:11] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I do
[23:11] <bkerensa> :D
[23:11] <MaskilPDX> sorry tgm4883
[23:11] <MaskilPDX> ATA vs AHCI
[23:11] <bkerensa> tgm4883: and I have a 14z
[23:11] <bkerensa> :D
[23:12] <tgm4883> bkerensa, nice, so I should be able to boot a CD then?
[23:13] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yes
[23:14] <tgm4883> ok, let me burn 12.10 to a DVD
[23:17] <c_smith> I have legacy AHCI, but haven't had to enable it on 12.10
[23:17] <c_smith> Windows is a tough one to install on UEFI, though, as my laptop doesn't allow me to disable UEFI, nor does it give the option to boot the Windows install medium in UEFI.
[23:18] <c_smith> often times have to resort to the EFI Shell
[23:18]  * c_smith is sitting happily on Kubuntu 12.10
[23:21] <tgm4883> is the AHCI stuff under sata settings?
[23:22] <tgm4883> cause that is the closest thing I have to it
[23:23] <c_smith> tgm4883, I'd imagine so.
[23:23] <c_smith> but I'd still recommend 12.10 like bkerensa did.
[23:24]  * c_smith goes back to configuring a CyanogenMod 10 rom on his tablet
[23:32] <tgm4883> bkerensa, did you have to turn off secure boot?
[23:35] <c_smith> tgm4883, I would, it looks like it's not even supported in 12.10
[23:35] <c_smith> otherwise, Ubuntu won't boot.
[23:36] <tgm4883> c_smith, it's supported, I know someone that installed with it
[23:37] <c_smith> tgm4883, then I am a bit behind on the news.
[23:37] <c_smith> still, I've heard it's a tough cookie to work with.
[23:37] <tgm4883> I can't get this to boot with uefi enabled though, so IDK
[23:38] <c_smith> disabling UEFI effectively disables secure boot since secure boot is part of the UEFI specs.
[23:38] <tgm4883> yea
[23:38] <c_smith> that much I know.
[23:39] <c_smith> can't say my laptop has a way to enable secure boot, and I know it's disabled, since A. it came with Win7, and B. Ubuntu confirmed it wasn't enabled.
[23:40] <c_smith> hah. some idiot asked if Windows 8 could be ported to the A100: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1636727
[23:40] <c_smith> porting windows 8 to unsupported hardware is tough according to what I'm reading.