=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [04:57] Morning mazal [04:58] Maaz: tell Kilos good morning [04:58] superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [05:03] Morning superfly [05:09] Anyone have any tips on stopping a shaving cut from bleeding? [05:09] superfly: stop shaving [05:10] good morning [05:11] inetpro: thanks, I'll file that under, "prevention" [05:11] Maaz: tell kilos Guten Morgen [05:11] inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [05:11] lol [05:11] morning superfly inetpro and others [05:11] Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell kilos Guten Morgen" 7 seconds ago [05:11] sjoe [05:11] Kilos: have any tips on stopping a shaving cut from bleeding? [05:11] hehe [05:11] Kilos: you are late [05:12] Kilos: he needs your help [05:12] now [05:12] ya been watching ddrescue go through its paces so slowly [05:12] staal druppels [05:12] sjoe [05:12] lennons products [05:13] * inetpro wonders whether he would have that [05:13] superfly: is it really that bad? [05:13] inetpro: no, just incessant [05:13] it has been bleeding for the last hour [05:13] wow! [05:14] wow [05:14] stick a plaster over it [05:14] Kilos: het nie een nie [05:14] ai [05:14] yikes [05:14] toilet paperr [05:15] Kilos: with kids in the house you better get yourself some plaster, please [05:15] me? [05:15] oops [05:15] i've got a tissue, busy using it every few minutes (or seconds) [05:15] i got lotsa plaster [05:15] superfly: ^^ [05:15] Hehehe [05:16] Kilos: not that kind of plaster... Bandaids [05:16] superfly: swedish bitters [05:16] superfly, just put a small double piece of toilet paper there and hold it [05:17] ya bandaids elastoplast them sticky things [05:18] then make the paper patch black with a cokey pen and tell peeps you trying to see what you will look like with a black beard but trying only in a small place to see [05:18] hehe [05:19] hi barrydk [05:19] Good morning everyone [05:19] hi mazal [05:19] hi barrydk [05:19] barrydk: lemme guess, you use Afrihost as your ISP? [05:21] Kilos: thanks, looks like keeping the tissue pressed against my lip has worked [05:21] mtnbusiness i see. what you looking at fly? [05:21] wrong superfly it is access [05:21] yay [05:21] barrydk: that was my second guess [05:22] barrydk: I use them too, but Afrihost is more popular [05:23] ok didnt know and dont realy care as long as it is working. [05:23] Why is Afrihost better superfly ? [05:23] What made you think that [05:24] best internet connection is one that works ya [05:24] hehehehe [05:25] Here in our part of the world beggers cant be choosers the choices arent wide [05:26] mazal: it isn't - I said it was more *popular* [05:26] Ah ok , thought you had some info that I need on that one :) [05:27] Always looking for something better if there is [05:27] barrydk: Axxess is owned by Afrihost, and Afrihost got MTN to build them a nationwide network. So Axxess got to benefit from that. [05:28] mazal: in my experience, Axxess is that. [05:28] ok [05:28] So actualy your first guess was correct [05:29] barrydk: so when you join the channel we can see which network you're joining from [05:29] and you joined from the mtnbusiness network - the new one made for Afrihost and Axxess [05:30] ok interesting i would never have looked or think about that as i said it must only work [05:32] hehe superfly is the cut on your lip? [05:32] funny place to shave [05:32] but easy to cover tissue paper then with lipstick [05:33] Kilos: well, maybe you can't grow a snor, but I don't wanna look like a bergie [05:33] oh top lip [05:33] hehe [05:34] i already did for movember [05:37] Can you guys explain something to be re that network adress [05:37] mazal: what do you want explained? [05:37] (~barrydk@105-236-22-140.access.mtnbusiness.co.za) [05:37] That number is the ip yes ? [05:37] yes [05:38] Why do me and barry have the same one even though we working on different laptops [05:38] Should we have different ones ? [05:39] We are on the same router , butter different machines [05:39] anything else...? [05:39] Oh, looks like I'm lagging [05:41] mazal: there, you said it yourself [05:41] I thought each of our machines should have had a different ip. Or does the ISP give the one ip to the router ? [05:41] And then the router gives different dhcp ip's on the lan for our laptops ? [05:42] mazal: do you know the difference between an internal and an external IP address? [05:42] Nope , but I think I am learning that now [05:43] mazal: do you know what is so special about the 192.168.0.0 range? [05:43] That is my router's range on my lan [05:44] But other than that I dunno hat is special about the range [05:44] what even [05:44] no, not really. My lan uses 192.168.1.0, and it is in that same /range/ [05:45] mazal: I'm on my phone, you'll have to Google it for me. [05:45] The range ? [05:45] Yup [05:48] Hmm , very interesting. It's a class c private range not usable on the internet [05:49] So the router gives that range to the laptops on the lan for the lan network , but the isp then gives an external ip to the router for accessing internet if I start to get this correctly [05:54] Superfly : So if i want to run a server at home that is accesable from outside i must ask my isp for a dedicated ip ad? === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [06:02] hi Trixar_za [06:09] barrydk: you can, though that would be extremely expensive [06:10] Hey Kilos [06:10] any ideas how much [06:10] nope, but that's not what I do [06:10] I use a dynamic dns service [06:12] You teaching us too many thing to play with this morning , we gonna break something lol [06:13] Gonna research that a bit , sounds interesting [06:14] So you have one at home [06:14] barrydk: server? [06:15] yip [06:15] I have 2 [06:15] though one is mostly used as a router [06:15] ok [06:17] Is there a specific one that you can recomend we research superfly ? [06:17] The dynamic dns service I mean [06:26] http://www.techrepublic.com/downloads/setting-up-a-dynamic-dns- [06:27] or you can watch a video [06:27] http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Set_Up_Dynamic_DNS [06:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np0VeQJwlI0 [06:28] Dankie oom Kilos nog speelgoed === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [06:29] hehe [06:29] always try google first them the fly will help you fix it after [06:29] lotsa fun coming with ip addresses [06:30] im bussy on google [06:30] We already seen a few that looks interesting. But will research it first [06:30] * mazal sien barry gaan sy server breek lol [06:30] lol [06:31] i did a direct cable connection with 2 pcs and no router [06:31] whew what a job thawas [06:31] that was [06:33] mazal, barrydk ons het n afrikaanse kanaal ook #ubuntu-afr [06:34] daar is mense hier wat nie kan volg nie [06:35] hi drussell Hodgestar [06:35] Soory forget when im getting excited and then Mazal fall in the trap. [06:37] lol [06:37] Did you use one pc for a router? [06:38] Oom Kilos do you mean you did that dymanic dns with the 2 pc's ? [06:38] i dunno what i did but it worked eventually [06:38] had the guys going for a while [06:38] shared 3g on 2 pcs [06:39] We have been wanting our own server that is accessible on internet for a very long time [06:40] morning [06:40] Morning Squirm [06:40] hi Squirm [06:40] Hi Squirm [06:40] mazal, you got a spare pc for it? [06:41] superfly, has a P2 as his one server [06:41] Kilos no , but barry does. He can be the guinea pig :P [06:41] hahaha [06:42] And he has loads more patience than me [06:42] i'm still here [06:43] lol [06:44] download ubuntu-server edition [06:45] just check its the 32bit version if the spare pc dont handle 64 bit [06:45] We already have that Kilo's. We have 3 ubuntu servers at work [06:45] oh ya i forget . sorry [06:45] We built them for our file sharing and mysql databases for registers [06:47] That was a battle , but it was fun and learned a ton [06:50] I use afraid.org [06:51] if you want a permanent server on the internet, use a VPS [07:00] hi jrgns [07:01] suddenly all quiet? [07:02] Hey Sfly we can't chat and read google at the same time. You gave us a lot of homework this morning [07:03] lol [07:04] and work in between [07:09] superfly: ok it looks like we are out of luck [07:09] see: http://en.gogloom.com/FreeNode/ubuntu-za/ [07:09] seems they have data for ubuntu-za only up to Feb 2011 [07:09] not sure why they stopped [07:11] and I'm not sure how they collect the data in the first place [07:14] oh my [07:15] Does Maaz have logs of the whole year ? [07:16] magespawn: and previous logs of ubuntu-za where logged at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [07:16] sadly that's a dead link now [07:19] inetpro, fix it [07:19] ai [07:19] or recruit peeps that can [07:20] inetpro, so you don't have any logs at all ? [07:21] mazal: yes I have in a postgresql database through quassel [07:21] Isn't there maybe an app that can compile stats from the logs ? [07:22] Way back when I had a channel on govnet I used an app called mircstats to compile stats directly from the logs. Maybe there is something like that for linux ? [07:23] that would probably still work on the logs at irclogs above [07:26] so I guess somebody will have to pull those logs and generate some stats [07:27] but a service used by drubin previously would have been nice and least effort [07:27] * inetpro is lazy [07:28] nee man have some coffee inetpro and get going [07:28] Kilos: when I have time I will look into it [07:28] cool ty [07:29] pulling the logs should be very easy with wget or curl [07:29] actually curl would be best suited for that [07:29] inetpro: I have my quassel logs... but that'll be a pain to parse [07:30] superfly: exactly [07:30] but I'm wondering, perhaps canonical have automated ways already [07:31] we just need to find out [07:32] inetpro: ping me again tonight at around 9, I'll see what I can do [07:32] superfly: thanks [07:33] btw, for those who don't know it, our discussions are logged by ubuntulog_ [07:33] ubuntulog_: you have a tail [07:33] Don't know much about what youre talking about but say if me and Mazal can help with something [07:34] ubuntulog_: help [07:49] * inetpro just found another service that seems to do these kind of stats, not sure how they do it [07:49] http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ubuntu-za&net=freenode [07:49] only started now [08:01] !ubuntulog_ [08:01] !help [08:01] it doesn't respond to much [08:03] and that tail has been there for quite a while it seems [08:03] hi Wraz welcome to ubuntu_za [08:06] Plugin defined commands: [08:06] [08:06] UNLOAD LOAD RELOADALL SOURCE TCL [08:06] RELOADALL UNLOADALL PL_RELOAD RELOAD UNLOAD [08:06] LOAD UNLOAD LOAD PY TIMER [08:07] can only get it to reloadall [08:07] Tcl plugin Rehashed [08:09] if you pm ubuntulog_ then type in /help there lotsa commands [08:09] dunno if thats from freenode [08:12] afraid to play with them [08:21] hi magespawn [08:24] Kilos: I'm guessing but that could simply be xchat help [08:25] good morning! [08:25] Maaz: coffee on [08:25] * Maaz puts the kettle on [08:28] Superfly : What do you use to chat on your phone? [08:28] barrydk: In IRC? Quassel [08:28] well, Quassel2Go [08:29] Maaz, coffee please [08:29] Kilos: Alrighty [08:29] Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos! [08:29] Is it a app? [08:29] Maaz, ty [08:29] You are welcome Kilos [08:30] aw inetpro had hopes one of you could use them commands to get the log goodie active [08:31] barrydk: I would hope so, how else would it run? [08:31] ok ok [08:32] i only get quasseldroid beta on samsung apps [08:33] barrydk, you can install quassel on ubuntu [08:33] its in the repos [08:34] i use xchat on ubuntu but want something for my phone [08:34] barrydk: I'm not using Android [08:35] * inetpro is happy with quasseldroid but don't use it that often [08:35] ok i thought you did as i think you said earlyer you were on your phone [08:35] inetpro: yeah, I use QuasselDroid on my Kindle, and it works pretty well. [08:35] barrydk: I was. [08:36] barrydk: my phone doesn't run Android [08:36] ok what do you use then Superfly [08:36] an N900 [08:36] ok [08:36] * superfly wants to see if he can upgrade to Sailfish [08:37] if/when it comes out [08:37] what is sailfish? [08:37] Was also wondering See fishingg boats sand [08:37] hmm... [08:37] Sailfish are two species of fish in the genus Istiophorus, living in warmer sections of all the oceans of the world. [08:38] Maaz: google for Jolla Sailfish [08:38] superfly: "Jolla expects Sailfish SDK to reach developers in early Q1 2013" http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/04/jolla-expects-sailfish-sdk-to-reach-developers-in-q1-2013/ :: "Jolla Sailfish OS on GS3 - xda-developers" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34983792 :: "In Depth Overview of Jolla Sailfish UI | Jolla Users Blog" [08:38] http://www.jollausers.com/2012/11/in-depth-overview-of-jolla-sailfish-ui/ :: "Jolla Confirms It Will Unveil Sailfish M… [08:38] ya thought so Inetpro [08:40] hmmm looks like a total different species [09:16] hi Tonberry timkeller [09:17] lo plustwo [09:47] o hi [10:03] wb Tonberry [10:03] * Tonberry knik [10:04] anyone wanting to get involved in Ubuntu development might find the following to be a useful guide [10:04] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ [11:26] inetpro: :) [11:28] tumbleweed: you like that? [11:28] tumbleweed: looking good [11:29] inetpro: yeah, I keep meaning to write some articles for it [11:30] (oh, if you're in ZA, you might find the bzr based workflows too bandwidth intensive and slow, for many packages, compared to grabbing the source from a local mirror) [11:32] inetpro: if you don't know where to start, I suggest https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative [11:32] tumbleweed: I got that link from Daniel Holbach's message to ubuntu-devel-announce last night [11:32] aha, I'm behind on my mail :) [11:54] Hi guys , barry is trying to setup quassel on his phone to enter here [11:54] But it doesn't want to take irc.ubuntu.com/8001 [11:54] Is there a dufferent server and port one must use from a phone ? [11:55] the traditional IRC port is 6667, not 8001 [11:55] but apparently freenode listens on 6665, 6666, 6667, 6697 (SSL only), 7000 (SSL only), 7070 (SSL only), 8000, 8001 and 8002 [11:56] It keeps telling him "connection information not filled out properly" [11:56] This is on quassal [11:57] We enter the server and the port and the username [11:57] jedirc [11:57] Tried both ports 8001 and 6667 [11:58] mazal, just try jedirc and if it works then go baǩ and try sort quassel [11:58] check the other settings? [11:58] e.g. nicknameetc. [11:59] oh my sorry tumbleweed [11:59] There is no other settings [11:59] Servername , port and username [12:00] you sure your phone is online? :) [12:00] sttill, that's an odd error for a conneciton failure [12:01] Ye he's getting email and fb [12:01] mazal: quassel is not a traditional IRC client [12:01] oh, quassel. are you not supposed to point it at a quassel server? [12:01] mazal: QuasselDroid connects to your Quassel server [12:02] Ho we gonna find that adres ? [12:02] how even [12:02] mazal: you run your server [12:03] Run your own server ? [12:03] mazal: yes, you run your own Quassel server [12:03] Makes no sense [12:03] It makes perfect sense, Quassel is not a traditional IRC client [12:04] So what must one enter at the server ? [12:04] mazal: your Quassel server's details [12:04] And where do one find that ? [12:04] you need to run one [12:04] ideally on a server somewhere [12:05] like a VPS [12:05] Ie this can't be done [12:05] So what other way can one enter here from phone ? [12:05] webchat ? [12:05] or any other IRC client for your phone [12:05] mazal: I think magespawn_ has messed with a few Android IRC clients [12:05] quasseldroid isn't actually an IRC client, it talks to the quassel server, which is the IRC client [12:06] Ah ok , didn't know that [12:06] yeah, QuasselDroid is a Quassel client :-) [12:06] the advantage of it is that you can seamlessly move between your machines, appearing on IRC as one person [12:07] Hence why I can chat from my phone, my tablet AND my PC, and never leave the room :-) [12:07] Will ask magespawn_ when he's around what client he could suggest [12:07] s/room/channel/ [12:07] Maaz: google for Android IRC client [12:07] superfly: "Yet Another Android IRC Client - Yaaic" http://www.yaaic.org/ :: "AndroIRC - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androirc&hl=en :: "AndChat.net - IRC Client for Android" http://www.andchat.net/ :: "AndroIRC - The best IRC client for Android your device need" http://www.androirc.com/ :: "Android IRC clients « [12:07] Brad's blog" http://blog.lassey.us/2010/06/25/android-irc-clients/ :: "The Best IRC Clients… [12:07] This is a Samsung S2 [12:07] Those would be the 3 I have heard of the most [12:08] Ok thanx will look into those [12:12] maaz google for android irc client [12:12] barrydk: "Yet Another Android IRC Client - Yaaic" http://www.yaaic.org/ :: "AndroIRC - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androirc&hl=en :: "AndChat.net - IRC Client for Android" http://www.andchat.net/ :: "AndroIRC - The best IRC client for Android your device need" http://www.androirc.com/ :: "Android IRC clients « [12:12] Brad's blog" http://blog.lassey.us/2010/06/25/android-irc-clients/ :: "The Best IRC Clients … [12:14] If you have quassel core, you can use the android version. [12:24] Superhuman: yeah, we were just talking about that :-) [12:25] Jip, I saw afterwards. Quassel is the best thing to come to irc world, and it makes sense to use. [12:27] One thing it does need, is a Quassel provider. Some company that provides you a quassel core connection, for X amount a month. [12:32] Superhuman: I think there might be such a thing, but I haven't looked recently [12:32] just thought I saw it in the Quassel channel a couple of months ago [12:33] wbb [12:33] A quick duckduckgo found this: http://woboq.com/quassel.html [12:35] even iQuassel, wow... https://itunes.apple.com/app/iquassel/id566844252 [12:44] We were busy fiddling with simpleirc , but then work intruded [12:44] Looks like iy will work though [12:44] it even [12:45] Bye for now everyone [13:02] kilos has another power failure or in saving mode again? [13:22] afternoon all === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [13:29] hi magespawn [13:36] hey superfly [13:41] inetpro: please ping me about the meeting tomorrow. [13:41] or email a reminder and I will deff come and show my suppoer [13:41] drubin: what meeting? [13:42] reapproval [13:42] drubin: the re-approval is on Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 22:00 SAST [13:43] good to hear that you are still around, thanks drubin [13:43] s/hear/see/ [13:58] inetpro: Ya just busy and I forget but I am around. [13:58] I don't irc that much any more [14:17] so who is Wraz ? [14:21] lol [14:21] dammit [14:21] been phoning around trying to buy a certain fiber cable in this country [14:21] the fiber guys in this country have never heard of such [14:21] that sucks [14:22] long wait from overseas [14:22] heh, its interesting, this particular cable uses 12 fiber strands [14:22] ooops 10 sorry [14:22] into a single connector on each side [14:22] Symmetria: who did you try? [14:22] and requires a form of multimode fiber thats VERY rare [14:22] (whats called OM4 MMF) [14:22] henk, falcon was my first try [14:22] then a coupla other random places I had heard about [14:23] but I suspected I might have this problem, there is only one type of equipment that uses that fiber and I think Im probably the first person in the country to actually even think about using it [14:23] (that fiber is *specifically* used for 100gig -> 100gig [14:24] then there's not much chance of there being stock, even if people know about it [14:25] hey mazal you guys winning? [14:26] I dunno , will see if barry tries it [14:26] But he so busy on the farm after hours that he doesn't have much time for pc things [14:34] what do you do on a farm at night [14:34] henkj heh is gonna be pretty cool though turning that stuff up [14:34] apart from watch tv [14:35] I've never attempted to turn up a single 200G LAG on anything [14:35] LAG? [14:35] aggregation group [14:35] basically, take 2 x 100gig links [14:35] and bundle them together [14:36] basically what we're doing, is taking 2 high powered routers [14:36] putting 2 100gig links between them [14:36] bundling the 100gig links into a single channel [14:36] and then running a virtual chassis shared control plane over it [14:36] so you end up with a single virtual router [14:36] with a sick high speed link between them [14:37] then you take a switch with 2 x 10gig links coming out of it, plug a single 10gig into each chassis, and run whats called LACP over them, to bundle those [14:37] so you end up with 20gig from each switch into the virtual router [14:37] if you lose an entire chassis, it drops to a 10gig uplink to the switch, but nothing goes down [14:37] so there is total redundancy [14:37] (this is the system we're aiming to implement at one of the .za universities for their campus network) [14:38] pricey, but kinda sweet [14:40] nice [14:40] but where does the 200G link go to? [14:40] its between the two core routers [14:40]