[04:57] <superfly> Morning mazal
[04:58] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos good morning
[04:58] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:03] <mazal> Morning superfly 
[05:09] <superfly> Anyone have any tips on stopping a shaving cut from bleeding?
[05:09] <inetpro> superfly: stop shaving
[05:10] <inetpro> good morning
[05:11] <superfly> inetpro: thanks, I'll file that under, "prevention"
[05:11] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos Guten Morgen
[05:11] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:11] <inetpro> lol
[05:11] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro and others
[05:11] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell kilos Guten Morgen" 7 seconds ago
[05:11] <inetpro> sjoe
[05:11] <superfly> Kilos: have any tips on stopping a shaving cut from bleeding?
[05:11] <Kilos> hehe
[05:11] <inetpro> Kilos: you are late
[05:12] <inetpro> Kilos: he needs your help
[05:12] <inetpro> now
[05:12] <Kilos> ya been watching ddrescue go through its paces so slowly
[05:12] <Kilos> staal druppels
[05:12] <inetpro> sjoe
[05:12] <Kilos> lennons products
[05:13]  * inetpro wonders whether he would have that
[05:13] <inetpro> superfly: is it really that bad?
[05:13] <superfly> inetpro: no, just incessant
[05:13] <superfly> it has been bleeding for the last hour
[05:13] <inetpro> wow!
[05:14] <Kilos> wow
[05:14] <Kilos> stick a plaster over it
[05:14] <superfly> Kilos: het nie een nie
[05:14] <Kilos> ai
[05:14] <inetpro> yikes
[05:14] <Kilos> toilet paperr
[05:15] <inetpro> Kilos: with kids in the house you better get yourself some plaster, please
[05:15] <Kilos> me?
[05:15] <inetpro> oops
[05:15] <superfly> i've got a tissue, busy using it every few minutes (or seconds)
[05:15] <Kilos> i got lotsa plaster
[05:15] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[05:15] <superfly> Hehehe
[05:16] <superfly> Kilos: not that kind of plaster... Bandaids
[05:16] <inetpro> superfly: swedish bitters
[05:16] <Kilos> superfly, just put a small double piece of toilet paper there and hold it
[05:17] <Kilos> ya bandaids elastoplast them sticky things
[05:18] <Kilos> then make the paper patch black with a cokey pen and tell peeps you trying to see what you will look like with a black beard but trying only in a small place to see
[05:18] <Kilos> hehe
[05:19] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[05:19] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:19] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:19] <superfly> hi barrydk
[05:19] <superfly> barrydk: lemme guess, you use Afrihost as your ISP?
[05:21] <superfly> Kilos: thanks, looks like keeping the tissue pressed against my lip has worked
[05:21] <Kilos> mtnbusiness i see. what you looking at fly?
[05:21] <barrydk> wrong superfly it is access
[05:21] <Kilos> yay
[05:21] <superfly> barrydk: that was my second guess
[05:22] <superfly> barrydk: I use them too, but Afrihost is more popular
[05:23] <barrydk> ok didnt know and dont realy care as long as it is working. 
[05:23] <mazal> Why is Afrihost better superfly ?
[05:23] <barrydk> What made you think that
[05:24] <Kilos> best internet connection is one that works ya
[05:24] <mazal> hehehehe
[05:25] <barrydk> Here in our part of the world beggers cant be choosers the choices arent wide
[05:26] <superfly> mazal: it isn't - I said it was more *popular*
[05:26] <mazal> Ah ok , thought you had some info that I need on that one :)
[05:27] <mazal> Always looking for something better if there is
[05:27] <superfly> barrydk: Axxess is owned by Afrihost, and Afrihost got MTN to build them a nationwide network. So Axxess got to benefit from that.
[05:28] <superfly> mazal: in my experience, Axxess is that.
[05:28] <barrydk> ok
[05:28] <barrydk> So actualy your first guess was correct
[05:29] <superfly> barrydk: so when you join the channel we can see which network you're joining from
[05:29] <superfly> and you joined from the mtnbusiness network - the new one made for Afrihost and Axxess
[05:30] <barrydk> ok interesting i would never have looked or think about that as i said it must only work
[05:32] <Kilos> hehe superfly is the cut on your lip?
[05:32] <Kilos> funny place to shave
[05:32] <Kilos> but easy to cover tissue paper then with lipstick
[05:33] <superfly> Kilos: well, maybe you can't grow a snor, but I don't wanna look like a bergie
[05:33] <Kilos> oh top lip
[05:33] <Kilos> hehe
[05:34] <superfly> i already did for movember
[05:37] <mazal> Can you guys explain something to be re that network adress
[05:37] <superfly> mazal: what do you want explained?
[05:37] <mazal> (~barrydk@105-236-22-140.access.mtnbusiness.co.za)
[05:37] <mazal> That number is the ip yes ?
[05:37] <superfly> yes
[05:38] <mazal> Why do me and barry have the same one even though we working on different laptops
[05:38] <mazal> Should we have different ones ?
[05:39] <mazal> We are on the same router , butter different machines
[05:39] <superfly> anything else...?
[05:39] <superfly> Oh, looks like I'm lagging
[05:41] <superfly> mazal: there, you said it yourself
[05:41] <mazal> I thought each of our machines should have had a different ip. Or does the ISP give the one ip to the router ?
[05:41] <mazal> And then the router gives different dhcp ip's on the lan for our laptops ?
[05:42] <superfly> mazal: do you know the difference between an internal and an external IP address?
[05:42] <mazal> Nope , but I think I am learning that now
[05:43] <superfly> mazal: do you know what is so special about the 192.168.0.0 range?
[05:43] <mazal> That is my router's range on my lan
[05:44] <mazal> But other than that I dunno hat is special about the range
[05:44] <mazal> what even
[05:44] <superfly> no, not really. My lan uses 192.168.1.0, and it is in that same /range/
[05:45] <superfly> mazal: I'm on my phone, you'll have to Google it for me.
[05:45] <mazal> The range ?
[05:45] <superfly> Yup
[05:48] <mazal> Hmm , very interesting. It's a class c private range not usable on the internet
[05:49] <mazal> So the router gives that range to the laptops on the lan for the lan network , but the isp then gives an external ip to the router for accessing internet if I start to get this correctly
[05:54] <barrydk> Superfly : So if i want to run a server at home that is accesable from outside i must ask my isp for a dedicated ip ad?
[06:02] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[06:09] <superfly> barrydk: you can, though that would be extremely expensive
[06:10] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[06:10] <barrydk> any ideas how much
[06:10] <superfly> nope, but that's not what I do
[06:10] <superfly> I use a dynamic dns service
[06:12] <mazal> You teaching us too many thing to play with this morning , we gonna break something lol
[06:13] <mazal> Gonna research that a bit , sounds interesting
[06:14] <barrydk> So you have one at home
[06:14] <superfly> barrydk: server?
[06:15] <barrydk> yip
[06:15] <superfly> I have 2
[06:15] <superfly> though one is mostly used as a router
[06:15] <barrydk> ok
[06:17] <mazal> Is there a specific one that you can recomend we research superfly ?
[06:17] <mazal> The dynamic dns service I mean
[06:26] <Kilos> http://www.techrepublic.com/downloads/setting-up-a-dynamic-dns-
[06:27] <Kilos> or you can watch a video
[06:27] <Kilos> http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Set_Up_Dynamic_DNS
[06:27] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np0VeQJwlI0
[06:28] <barrydk> Dankie oom Kilos nog speelgoed
[06:29] <Kilos> hehe
[06:29] <Kilos> always try google first them the fly will help you fix it after
[06:29] <Kilos> lotsa fun coming with ip addresses
[06:30] <barrydk> im bussy on google 
[06:30] <mazal> We already seen a few that looks interesting. But will research it first
[06:30]  * mazal sien barry gaan sy server breek lol
[06:30] <Kilos> lol
[06:31] <Kilos> i did a direct cable connection with 2 pcs and no router
[06:31] <Kilos> whew what a job thawas
[06:31] <Kilos> that was
[06:33] <Kilos> mazal, barrydk ons het n afrikaanse kanaal ook #ubuntu-afr
[06:34] <Kilos> daar is mense hier wat nie kan volg nie
[06:35] <Kilos> hi drussell Hodgestar 
[06:35] <barrydk> Soory forget when im getting excited and then Mazal fall in the trap.
[06:37] <Kilos> lol
[06:37] <barrydk> Did you use one pc for a router?
[06:38] <mazal> Oom Kilos do you mean you did that dymanic dns with the 2 pc's ?
[06:38] <Kilos> i dunno what i did but it worked eventually
[06:38] <Kilos> had the guys going for a while
[06:38] <Kilos> shared 3g on 2 pcs
[06:39] <mazal> We have been wanting our own server that is accessible on internet for a very long time
[06:40] <Squirm> morning
[06:40] <mazal> Morning Squirm 
[06:40] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:40] <barrydk> Hi Squirm
[06:40] <Kilos> mazal, you got a spare pc for it?
[06:41] <Kilos> superfly, has a P2 as his one server
[06:41] <mazal> Kilos no , but barry does. He can be the guinea pig :P
[06:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:42] <mazal> And he has loads more patience than me
[06:42] <barrydk> i'm still here
[06:43] <mazal> lol
[06:44] <Kilos> download ubuntu-server edition
[06:45] <Kilos> just check its the 32bit version if the spare pc dont handle 64 bit
[06:45] <mazal> We already have that Kilo's. We have 3 ubuntu servers at work
[06:45] <Kilos> oh ya i forget . sorry
[06:45] <mazal> We built them for our file sharing and mysql databases for registers
[06:47] <mazal> That was a battle , but it was fun and learned a ton
[06:50] <superfly> I use afraid.org
[06:51] <superfly> if you want a permanent server on the internet, use a VPS
[07:00] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[07:01] <superfly> suddenly all quiet?
[07:02] <barrydk> Hey Sfly we can't chat and read google at the same time. You gave us a lot of homework this morning
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <barrydk> and work in between
[07:09] <inetpro> superfly: ok it looks like we are out of luck
[07:09] <inetpro> see: http://en.gogloom.com/FreeNode/ubuntu-za/
[07:09] <inetpro> seems they have data for ubuntu-za only up to Feb 2011
[07:09] <inetpro> not sure why they stopped
[07:11] <inetpro> and I'm not sure how they collect the data in the first place
[07:14] <Kilos> oh my
[07:15] <mazal> Does Maaz have logs of the whole year ?
[07:16] <inetpro> magespawn: and previous logs of ubuntu-za where logged at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[07:16] <inetpro> sadly that's a dead link now
[07:19] <Kilos> inetpro, fix it
[07:19] <inetpro> ai
[07:19] <Kilos> or recruit peeps that can
[07:20] <mazal> inetpro, so you don't have any logs at all ?
[07:21] <inetpro> mazal: yes I have in a postgresql database through quassel
[07:21] <mazal> Isn't there maybe an app that can compile stats from the logs ?
[07:22] <mazal> Way back when I had a channel on govnet I used an app called mircstats to compile stats directly from the logs. Maybe there is something like that for linux ?
[07:23] <inetpro> that would probably still work on the logs at irclogs above
[07:26] <inetpro> so I guess somebody will have to pull those logs and generate some stats
[07:27] <inetpro> but a service used by drubin previously would have been nice and least effort
[07:27]  * inetpro is lazy
[07:28] <Kilos> nee man have some coffee inetpro and get going
[07:28] <inetpro> Kilos: when I have time I will look into it
[07:28] <Kilos> cool ty
[07:29] <inetpro> pulling the logs should be very easy with wget or curl
[07:29] <inetpro> actually curl would be best suited for that
[07:29] <superfly> inetpro: I have my quassel logs... but that'll be a pain to parse
[07:30] <inetpro> superfly: exactly
[07:30] <inetpro> but I'm wondering, perhaps canonical have automated ways already
[07:31] <inetpro> we just need to find out 
[07:32] <superfly> inetpro: ping me again tonight at around 9, I'll see what I can do
[07:32] <inetpro> superfly: thanks
[07:33] <inetpro> btw, for those who don't know it, our discussions are logged by ubuntulog_
[07:33] <inetpro> ubuntulog_: you have a tail
[07:33] <barrydk> Don't know much about what youre talking about but say if me and Mazal can help with something
[07:34] <inetpro> ubuntulog_: help
[07:49]  * inetpro just found another service that seems to do these kind of stats, not sure how they do it
[07:49] <inetpro> http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ubuntu-za&net=freenode
[07:49] <inetpro> only started now
[08:01] <superfly> !ubuntulog_
[08:01] <superfly> !help
[08:01] <superfly> it doesn't respond to much
[08:03] <inetpro> and that tail has been there for quite a while it seems
[08:03] <Kilos> hi Wraz welcome to ubuntu_za
[08:06] <Kilos> Plugin defined commands:
[08:06] <Kilos>  
[08:06] <Kilos>    UNLOAD    LOAD      RELOADALL SOURCE    TCL
[08:06] <Kilos>    RELOADALL UNLOADALL PL_RELOAD RELOAD    UNLOAD
[08:06] <Kilos>    LOAD      UNLOAD    LOAD      PY        TIMER
[08:07] <Kilos> can only get it to reloadall
[08:07] <Kilos> Tcl plugin Rehashed
[08:09] <Kilos> if you pm ubuntulog_ then type in /help there lotsa commands
[08:09] <Kilos> dunno if thats from freenode
[08:12] <Kilos> afraid to play with them
[08:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:24] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm guessing but that could simply be xchat help
[08:25] <charl_> good morning!
[08:25] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:25]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:28] <barrydk> Superfly : What do you use to chat on your phone?
[08:28] <superfly> barrydk: In IRC? Quassel
[08:28] <superfly> well, Quassel2Go
[08:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[08:29] <barrydk> Is it a app? 
[08:29] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:29] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:30] <Kilos> aw inetpro had hopes one of you could use them commands to get the log goodie active
[08:31] <superfly> barrydk: I would hope so, how else would it run?
[08:31] <barrydk> ok ok 
[08:32] <barrydk> i only get quasseldroid beta on samsung apps
[08:33] <Kilos> barrydk, you can install quassel on ubuntu
[08:33] <Kilos> its in the repos
[08:34] <barrydk> i use xchat on ubuntu but want something for my phone
[08:34] <superfly> barrydk: I'm not using Android
[08:35]  * inetpro is happy with quasseldroid but don't use it that often
[08:35] <barrydk> ok i thought you did as i think you said earlyer you were on your phone
[08:35] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, I use QuasselDroid on my Kindle, and it works pretty well.
[08:35] <superfly> barrydk: I was.
[08:36] <superfly> barrydk: my phone doesn't run Android
[08:36] <barrydk> ok what do you use then Superfly
[08:36] <superfly> an N900
[08:36] <barrydk> ok
[08:36]  * superfly wants to see if he can upgrade to Sailfish
[08:37] <superfly> if/when it comes out
[08:37] <inetpro> what is sailfish?
[08:37] <barrydk> Was also wondering See fishingg boats sand
[08:37] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:37] <inetpro> Sailfish are two species of fish in the genus Istiophorus, living in warmer sections of all the oceans of the world.
[08:38] <superfly> Maaz: google for Jolla Sailfish
[08:38] <Maaz> superfly: "Jolla expects Sailfish SDK to reach developers in early Q1 2013" http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/04/jolla-expects-sailfish-sdk-to-reach-developers-in-q1-2013/ :: "Jolla Sailfish OS on GS3 - xda-developers" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34983792 :: "In Depth Overview of Jolla Sailfish UI | Jolla Users Blog"
[08:38] <Maaz> http://www.jollausers.com/2012/11/in-depth-overview-of-jolla-sailfish-ui/ :: "Jolla Confirms It Will Unveil Sailfish M…
[08:38] <barrydk> ya thought so Inetpro
[08:40] <barrydk> hmmm looks like a total different species
[09:16] <Kilos> hi Tonberry timkeller 
[09:17] <Kilos> lo plustwo 
[09:47] <Tonberry> o hi
[10:03] <inetpro> wb Tonberry
[10:03]  * Tonberry knik
[10:04] <inetpro> anyone wanting to get involved in Ubuntu development might find the following to be a useful guide
[10:04] <inetpro> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[11:26] <tumbleweed> inetpro: :)
[11:28] <inetpro> tumbleweed: you like that?
[11:28] <superfly> tumbleweed: looking good
[11:29] <tumbleweed> inetpro: yeah, I keep meaning to write some articles for it
[11:30] <tumbleweed> (oh, if you're in ZA, you might find the bzr based workflows too bandwidth intensive and slow, for many packages, compared to grabbing the source from a local mirror)
[11:32] <tumbleweed> inetpro: if you don't know where to start, I suggest https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[11:32] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I got that link from Daniel Holbach's message to ubuntu-devel-announce last night
[11:32] <tumbleweed> aha, I'm behind on my mail :)
[11:54] <mazal> Hi guys , barry is trying to setup quassel on his phone to enter here
[11:54] <mazal> But it doesn't want to take irc.ubuntu.com/8001
[11:54] <mazal> Is there a dufferent server and port one must use from a phone ?
[11:55] <tumbleweed> the traditional IRC port is 6667, not 8001
[11:55] <tumbleweed> but apparently freenode listens on 6665, 6666, 6667, 6697 (SSL only), 7000 (SSL only), 7070 (SSL only), 8000, 8001 and 8002
[11:56] <mazal> It keeps telling him "connection information not filled out properly"
[11:56] <mazal> This is on quassal
[11:57] <mazal> We enter the server and the port and the username
[11:57] <Kilos> jedirc
[11:57] <mazal> Tried both ports 8001 and 6667
[11:58] <Kilos> mazal, just try jedirc and if it works then go baǩ and try sort quassel
[11:58] <tumbleweed> check the other settings?
[11:58] <tumbleweed> e.g. nicknameetc.
[11:59] <Kilos> oh my sorry tumbleweed 
[11:59] <mazal> There is no other settings
[11:59] <mazal> Servername , port and username
[12:00] <tumbleweed> you sure your phone  is online? :)
[12:00] <tumbleweed> sttill, that's an odd error for a conneciton failure
[12:01] <mazal> Ye he's getting email and fb
[12:01] <superfly> mazal: quassel is not a traditional IRC client
[12:01] <tumbleweed> oh, quassel. are you not supposed to point it at a quassel server?
[12:01] <superfly> mazal: QuasselDroid connects to your Quassel server
[12:02] <mazal> Ho we gonna find that adres ?
[12:02] <mazal> how even
[12:02] <superfly> mazal: you run your server
[12:03] <mazal> Run your own server ?
[12:03] <superfly> mazal: yes, you run your own Quassel server
[12:03] <mazal> Makes no sense
[12:03] <superfly> It makes perfect sense, Quassel is not a traditional IRC client
[12:04] <mazal> So what must one enter at the server ?
[12:04] <superfly> mazal: your Quassel server's details
[12:04] <mazal> And where do one find that ?
[12:04] <tumbleweed> you need to run one
[12:04] <tumbleweed> ideally on a server somewhere
[12:05] <superfly> like a VPS
[12:05] <mazal> Ie this can't be done
[12:05] <mazal> So what other way can one enter here from phone ?
[12:05] <mazal> webchat ?
[12:05] <tumbleweed> or any other IRC client for your phone
[12:05] <superfly> mazal: I think magespawn_ has messed with a few Android IRC clients
[12:05] <tumbleweed> quasseldroid isn't actually an IRC client, it talks to the quassel server, which is the IRC client
[12:06] <mazal> Ah ok , didn't know that
[12:06] <superfly> yeah, QuasselDroid is a Quassel client :-)
[12:06] <tumbleweed> the advantage of it is that you can seamlessly move between your machines, appearing on IRC as one person
[12:07] <superfly> Hence why I can chat from my phone, my tablet AND my PC, and never leave the room :-)
[12:07] <mazal> Will ask magespawn_ when he's around what client he could suggest
[12:07] <superfly> s/room/channel/
[12:07] <superfly> Maaz: google for Android IRC client
[12:07] <Maaz> superfly: "Yet Another Android IRC Client - Yaaic" http://www.yaaic.org/ :: "AndroIRC - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androirc&hl=en :: "AndChat.net - IRC Client for Android" http://www.andchat.net/ :: "AndroIRC - The best IRC client for Android your device need" http://www.androirc.com/ :: "Android IRC clients «
[12:07] <Maaz> Brad's blog" http://blog.lassey.us/2010/06/25/android-irc-clients/ :: "The Best IRC Clients…
[12:07] <mazal> This is a Samsung S2
[12:07] <superfly> Those would be the 3 I have heard of the most
[12:08] <mazal> Ok thanx will look into those
[12:12] <barrydk> maaz google for android irc client
[12:12] <Maaz> barrydk: "Yet Another Android IRC Client - Yaaic" http://www.yaaic.org/ :: "AndroIRC - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androirc&hl=en :: "AndChat.net - IRC Client for Android" http://www.andchat.net/ :: "AndroIRC - The best IRC client for Android your device need" http://www.androirc.com/ :: "Android IRC clients «
[12:12] <Maaz> Brad's blog" http://blog.lassey.us/2010/06/25/android-irc-clients/ :: "The Best IRC Clients …
[12:14] <Superhuman> If you have quassel core, you can use the android version.
[12:24] <superfly> Superhuman: yeah, we were just talking about that :-)
[12:25] <Superhuman> Jip, I saw afterwards. Quassel is the best thing to come to irc world, and it makes sense to use.
[12:27] <Superhuman> One thing it does need, is a Quassel provider. Some company that provides you a quassel core connection, for X amount a month.
[12:32] <superfly> Superhuman: I think there might be such a thing, but I haven't looked recently
[12:32] <superfly> just thought I saw it in the Quassel channel a couple of months ago
[12:33] <Kilos> wbb
[12:33] <superfly> A quick duckduckgo found this: http://woboq.com/quassel.html
[12:35] <superfly> even iQuassel, wow... https://itunes.apple.com/app/iquassel/id566844252
[12:44] <mazal> We were busy fiddling with simpleirc , but then work intruded
[12:44] <mazal> Looks like iy will work though
[12:44] <mazal> it even
[12:45] <mazal> Bye for now everyone
[13:02] <inetpro> kilos has another power failure or in saving mode again?
[13:22] <magespawn_> afternoon all
[13:29] <superfly> hi magespawn
[13:36] <magespawn> hey superfly
[13:41] <drubin> inetpro: please ping me about the meeting tomorrow.
[13:41] <drubin> or email a reminder and I will deff come and show my suppoer
[13:41] <inetpro> drubin: what meeting?
[13:42] <magespawn> reapproval 
[13:42] <inetpro> drubin: the re-approval is on Tuesday, 18 December 2012 at 22:00 SAST
[13:43] <inetpro> good to hear that you are still around, thanks drubin
[13:43] <inetpro> s/hear/see/
[13:58] <drubin> inetpro: Ya just busy and I forget but I am around.
[13:58] <drubin> I don't irc that much any more
[14:17] <Kilos> so who is Wraz ?
[14:21] <Symmetria> lol
[14:21] <Symmetria> dammit
[14:21] <Symmetria> been phoning around trying to buy a certain fiber cable in this country
[14:21] <Symmetria> the fiber guys in this country have never heard of such
[14:21] <Kilos> that sucks
[14:22] <Kilos> long wait from overseas
[14:22] <Symmetria> heh, its interesting, this particular cable uses 12 fiber strands 
[14:22] <Symmetria> ooops 10 sorry
[14:22] <Symmetria> into a single connector on each side
[14:22] <henkj> Symmetria: who did you try?
[14:22] <Symmetria> and requires a form of multimode fiber thats VERY rare
[14:22] <Symmetria> (whats called OM4 MMF)
[14:22] <Symmetria> henk, falcon was my first try
[14:22] <Symmetria> then a coupla other random places I had heard about
[14:23] <Symmetria> but I suspected I might have this problem, there is only one type of equipment that uses that fiber and I think Im probably the first person in the country to actually even think about using it
[14:23] <Symmetria> (that fiber is *specifically* used for 100gig -> 100gig 
[14:24] <henkj> then there's not much chance of there being stock, even if people know about it
[14:25] <Kilos> hey mazal you guys winning?
[14:26] <mazal> I dunno , will see if barry tries it
[14:26] <mazal> But he so busy on the farm after hours that he doesn't have much time for pc things
[14:34] <Kilos> what do you do on a farm at night
[14:34] <Symmetria> henkj heh is gonna be pretty cool though turning that stuff up
[14:34] <Kilos> apart from watch tv
[14:35] <Symmetria> I've never attempted to turn up a single 200G LAG on anything
[14:35] <henkj> LAG?
[14:35] <Symmetria> aggregation group
[14:35] <Symmetria> basically, take 2 x 100gig links
[14:35] <Symmetria> and bundle them together
[14:36] <Symmetria> basically what we're doing, is taking 2 high powered routers
[14:36] <Symmetria> putting 2 100gig links between them
[14:36] <Symmetria> bundling the 100gig links into a single channel
[14:36] <Symmetria> and then running a virtual chassis shared control plane over it
[14:36] <Symmetria> so you end up with a single virtual router 
[14:36] <Symmetria> with a sick high speed link between them
[14:37] <Symmetria> then you take a switch with 2 x 10gig links coming out of it, plug a single 10gig into each chassis, and run whats called LACP over them, to bundle those
[14:37] <Symmetria> so you end up with 20gig from each switch into the virtual router 
[14:37] <Symmetria> if you lose an entire chassis, it drops to a 10gig uplink to the switch, but nothing goes down
[14:37] <Symmetria> so there is total redundancy
[14:37] <Symmetria> (this is the system we're aiming to implement at one of the .za universities for their campus network)
[14:38] <Symmetria> pricey, but kinda sweet
[14:40] <henkj> nice
[14:40] <henkj> but where does the 200G link go to?
[14:40] <Symmetria> its between the two core routers
[14:40] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/core-distribution.png
[14:41] <Symmetria> in that picture, those 2 boxes in the virtual chassis
[14:41] <Symmetria> have the 200gig link between them
[14:41] <henkj> ok, but where are they?
[14:41] <Symmetria> in the data center at the university :)
[15:00] <inetpro> The future of Ubuntu revealed http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/the-future-of-ubuntu-revealed-1114487?goback=.gde_48682_member_192944130
[15:01] <inetpro> 1,600 schools - 50,000 Ubuntu desktops?
[15:01] <inetpro> in South Africa!?
[15:01]  * inetpro wonders
[15:14] <Kilos> dont sit and wonder go home
[15:21] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, ok
[15:23]  * magespawn is going to be working late, making dvd of fish's school concert
[15:31] <Kilos> lol we here if you lonely magespawn 
[15:55] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[15:56] <magespawn> trying to get to grips with this video capture program
[15:56] <Kilos> enjoy
[15:58] <magespawn> finally choose the right settings that does notmcause it to drop like 150 frames a second
[16:00] <Kilos> what, you trying to make lotsa bits and pieces into one movie?
[16:01] <magespawn> no one movie from video camera on to hard drive
[16:01] <Kilos> oh isnt thateasy?
[16:01] <Kilos> lotsa camera stuff in repos
[16:02] <magespawn> not when the capture program drops frames for some reason
[16:02] <magespawn> other os
[16:02] <Kilos> ai
[16:03] <magespawn> could not get ubuntu to see the capture device
[16:05] <Kilos> ai you missing some app thats does it
[16:06] <magespawn> mm maybe or some setting but anyway seems to be working now
[16:09] <mazal> Did capturing way back , not an easy task
[16:09] <mazal> Now I just do dvd to mp4 and some very small editing
[16:14] <mazal> My biggest battle was to find a capture device that keeps the video and audio in sync
[16:14] <magespawn> this one seems to drop a lot of frames
[16:15] <magespawn> maybe the pc is not fast enough
[16:15] <mazal> cpu ?
[16:16] <mazal> Speed of cpu I mean
[16:16] <magespawn> actually not sure
[16:16] <magespawn> lol
[16:16] <magespawn> i forget
[16:17] <magespawn> not about to look now will look when first full length capture is done
[16:19] <mazal> I found the best to be external capture device that does all the work. The internal ones all failed. On an external the pc actually just do the saving
[16:27] <inetpro> Kilos: you are way to quiet today
[16:28] <inetpro> you in saving mode or what?
[16:28] <Kilos> ya head not happy inetpro 
[16:28] <inetpro> ai
[16:28] <inetpro> sorry oom
[16:28] <Kilos> np ill survive
[16:29] <charl_> sorry to hear Kilos, feel better soon! :(
[16:29] <Kilos> thanks for the concern
[16:29] <Kilos> ty charl_ 
[16:30] <inetpro> the weather?
[16:42] <Kilos> inetpro, ?
[16:42] <Kilos> rather wrm tonight
[16:42] <Kilos> warm
[16:42] <inetpro> Kilos: I thought perhaps is the weather that is messing with the head?
[16:43] <inetpro> this constant shift between cold and hot
[16:43] <Kilos> oh no its digging up dubbeltjies and pulling other weeds round the house
[16:43] <inetpro> ahh
[16:43] <Kilos> hi timkeller 
[16:44] <magespawn> Kilos have a break have a kit kat
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:55] <magespawn> i am off chat later
[17:00] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[17:02] <Kilos> i go eat guys
[17:02] <Kilos> bbnn
[17:02] <inetpro> lekker eet oom
[17:02]  * inetpro bbl also
[17:04] <Kilos> ty
[17:58] <Vince-0> Gaai
[17:58] <Vince-0> Hi I mean
[18:16] <smile> hi :)
[18:18] <Vince-0> stupid headsets too complicated
[18:28] <inetpro> good evening smile
[18:29] <smile> good evening :)
[18:29] <smile> exam tomorrow :o
[18:29] <inetpro> smile: yikes!
[18:29] <inetpro> what are you writing?
[18:29] <smile> whut? :o
[18:30] <inetpro> smile: what exam?
[18:30] <inetpro> smile: what exam are you writing tomorrow?
[18:30] <smile> oh, I'm not writing it :)
[18:30] <smile> it's an oral exam :p
[18:31] <inetpro> ah
[18:31] <smile> I need to say the answers :P
[18:31] <smile> it's about computer networks
[18:31] <smile> and how computers co-operate together
[18:31] <smile> :p
[18:31] <charl_> an oral exam about computers... that sounds unusual?
[18:31] <smile> yeah, but it's actually quite fun :p
[18:31] <inetpro> smile: hmm... but you know all those answers to that anyway
[18:32] <smile> I know every detail, so, he can ask me everything :p
[18:33]  * inetpro also finds oral exam out of the ordinary 
[18:33] <charl_> smile: is that at a university?
[18:33] <inetpro> charl_: he's much younger than you :-)
[18:34] <smile> charl_: no, my last year at the school for 12-18 age :)
[18:34] <charl_> smile: ah i see ok, that makes more sense :)
[18:34] <charl_> inetpro: that says nothing, i finished studying years ago anyway :P
[18:34] <smile> but it's not easy ;)
[18:35] <smile> It's about 300 pages theory :P
[18:35] <charl_> heh wait until you get into university!
[18:35] <charl_> :P
[18:35] <inetpro> charl_: hmm... I thought you where like 21
[18:35] <smile> 1000 pages then? o.O
[18:35] <charl_> inetpro: lol no i'm quite a few years older than that ;)
[18:35] <inetpro> lol
[18:35] <charl_> smile: thousands :D
[18:36] <smile> charl_: then I won't learn every detail anymore :P
[18:36] <charl_> well you get so much documentation and references these days, knowing every detail is both impossible and unnecessary
[18:37] <smile> but I want to know everything of it :)
[18:37] <charl_> it's always good to try/!
[18:39] <inetpro> superfly: ping
[18:40] <inetpro> superfly: it's almost 21:00 when you need to focus on stats
[18:40] <smile> yeaah, charl_ :) how are you?
[18:41] <charl_> smile: i'm good! today a decent bit of snow here
[18:41] <charl_> has it snowed in your area yet?
[18:41] <Vince-0> snoow nice - 
[18:42] <smile> charl_: yes, but not so much :P much more snow (10cm) is expected tomorrow :P
[18:42] <charl_> yes here too
[18:42] <smile> It will disarrange the traffic :P
[18:43] <charl_> in between 10cm and 20cm
[18:46] <Kilos> hi Narf23 
[18:46] <Kilos> hi charl_ smile inetpro 
[18:46] <Kilos> hi ludo
[18:46] <smile> hi oom Kilos :p
[18:47] <Kilos> oh hi Vince-0 
[18:47] <smile> charl_: do you need to go out tomorrow? :p
[18:48] <Vince-0> lol no mic on any of my devices
[18:48] <Vince-0> hii\
[18:49] <Kilos> wassup the mic Vince-0 ?
[18:49] <Narf23> poor Vince - 1st PC now Tablet :P
[18:49] <superfly> inetpro: OK, just switching on my computer
[18:49] <Narf23> No mic in Google hang out..
[18:50] <Kilos> ah Narf23 you one of the lug guys?
[18:50] <Narf23> Yea - 1st time in ubuntu_za IRC
[18:50] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: get the kiddies sorted before you start
[18:51] <Kilos> hehe inetpro  you too cheeky
[18:51] <inetpro> Narf23: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[18:51] <Narf23> ty
[18:52] <Kilos> Narf23, tell us a bit about yourself
[18:52] <superfly> inetpro: *just* have
[18:52] <inetpro> cool
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: so where do we start?
[18:53] <Narf23> I'm a M$ techi starting to get into a little of Linux 
[18:53] <inetpro> perhaps easiest if you can provide stats for the website
[18:53] <Narf23> Just received my Pi and about to start playing
[18:54] <charl_> smile: yeah i need to go to work, but the roads are salted so i don't worry too much to go on the bicycle
[18:54] <Kilos> ah
[18:54] <smile> okay :p maybe your fingers freeze :o
[18:54] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[18:54] <smile> Narf23: good w ork ;)
[18:54] <smile> I ordered mine too :)
[18:55] <superfly> inetpro: I have no idea where to get those
[18:55] <charl_> smile: yeah i always have that problem, that's why i wear gloves now
[18:55] <smile> :)
[18:55] <charl_> smile: actually biking with gloves is quite nice, my head doesn't get cold too quickly, just my fingers
[18:55] <inetpro> smile: last time I think you had google stats
[18:55] <superfly> inetpro: ah, true, I can look at that
[18:56] <inetpro> superfly: http://saturnlaboratories.co.za/files/ubuntu-za_visitors.png
[18:57] <smile> charl_: I was supercooled one day, and I just felt onto the ground :p
[18:57] <smile> inetpro: google stats for? :)
[18:58] <inetpro> oops, was I just talking to smile?
[18:58] <charl_> smile: oh my goodness, that's not good
[18:58] <inetpro> sorry smile, I meant to talk to the fly
[18:58] <inetpro> tab completion fail
[18:59] <smile> inetpro: yea :o
[18:59] <inetpro> wb Vince-0
[19:00] <smile> charl_: It was under freezing temperature outside, I spent too much time outside and my body decided to go in sleep mode :P
[19:00] <Vince-0> oh herrow
[19:00] <mazal> Sleep well all
[19:00] <smile> good night, mazal
[19:00] <superfly> inetpro: we don't use the website much, and you can tell by looking at the stats
[19:00] <Vince-0> so hows this: pc: webcam, 2 sound cards, two headsets + tablet + phone: wifi + 3g and no voice on my mic
[19:00] <magespawn> evening all
[19:00] <Kilos> night maz
[19:01] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[19:01] <inetpro> superfly: I guess we have to face the reality and work on that
[19:01] <charl_> smile: wow ok, that's scary :S be careful!
[19:01] <inetpro> or accept it as is
[19:02] <magespawn> what website superfly?
[19:02] <superfly> inetpro: the "reality" is that our presense is the mailing list and IRC
[19:02] <inetpro> there's more than enough info all over the place
[19:02] <superfly> and the website really isn't used for much
[19:02] <inetpro> superfly: it still is an important site to keep
[19:03] <inetpro> many a new linux user starts his journey at http://ubuntu-za.org/
[19:04] <superfly> inetpro: so maybe we need to re-analyse what our site should be doing
[19:05] <smile> charl_: I will :)
[19:05] <inetpro> superfly: I agree, it's worth looking at that
[19:05] <smile> After one day I was happy again! :P
[19:05] <magespawn> Vince-0: where is the hang-out again?
[19:05] <smile> and for me no school that day :)
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: as I mentioned late last night, I would love to see more South Africans getting involved in Ubuntu development
[19:07] <superfly> inetpro: I agree, but where are they going to hear about Ubuntu?
[19:07] <magespawn> i made some progress on the idea of t-shirts
[19:07] <inetpro> our website should point back to the places where things happen
[19:07] <inetpro> where things really happen*
[19:07] <superfly> Maybe we should make it a static site? just 2 or 3 HTML pages?
[19:08]  * inetpro could live with that
[19:08] <Kilos> magespawn, you musta missed it
[19:08] <inetpro> superfly: it would make your life much easier
[19:08] <Kilos> we short of lotsa stats
[19:09] <inetpro> superfly: but at the same time, it could make it difficult for others to update
[19:10] <superfly> inetpro: it should be small enough that it doesn't need updating ;-)
[19:10] <magespawn> thinks so Kilos
[19:10] <inetpro> superfly: ok, how about we put that up for a vote in our next meeting?
[19:11] <inetpro> obviously anyone can jump into the discussion at any point before the meeting
[19:12] <Kilos> inetpro, member charl_ offered to sort the site
[19:12] <Kilos> or help anyway
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: OK
[19:12] <superfly> inetpro: site statistics updated
[19:14] <inetpro> superfly: where did you post that?
[19:14] <superfly> inetpro: on the reapproval page
[19:14] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:15]  * inetpro doing yet another forced refresh
[19:15] <Vince-0> goowsh
[19:15] <inetpro> superfly: nothing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2012#Website_Traffic
[19:16] <superfly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2012#Website
[19:16] <inetpro> ahh :-)
[19:17] <inetpro> maybe we should move that down to stats?
[19:17] <Kilos> theres lotsa ubuntu hours not mentioned
[19:18] <Kilos> neil should have the info on last few
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: we don't really have to mention them all
[19:18] <inetpro> just that they did happen and then some stuff to make the report look nice
[19:18] <Kilos> looks like we had nothing since 2011
[19:19] <inetpro> oh and maybe some references to reports
[19:20] <inetpro> obviously the more info the better, but often less is more
[19:20] <Kilos> no here man
[19:21] <Kilos> we cant lose this reapp thing
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[19:21] <Kilos> someone should take maia a case of redbull
[19:21] <inetpro> like that will really happen!?
[19:22] <inetpro> we have some big guns coming from #ubuntu-za
[19:22] <inetpro> but we need to work on getting more :-)
[19:22] <Kilos> ya but they need bullets
[19:23] <inetpro> lol
[19:23] <Kilos> rope drussell in too
[19:23] <magespawn> looks like some of the ubuntu hour dates got mixed around
[19:23] <inetpro> eish!
[19:23] <drussell> hehehe
[19:23]  * drussell hides
[19:23] <inetpro> magespawn: we can't let that happen
[19:23] <Kilos> hi deegee
[19:23] <inetpro> magespawn: please fix what you see that is wrong
[19:24] <inetpro> drussell: wb
[19:24] <magespawn> will do
[19:24] <inetpro> how are you doing?
[19:24] <drussell> inetpro: :o)
[19:24] <drussell> inetpro: surviving!
[19:24] <magespawn> i will have a good look tomorrow on a tablet at the moment
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: OK, pulling nick stats on #ubuntu-za
[19:24] <inetpro> drussell: don't forget to breathe
[19:24] <superfly> oh, whoops, just realised that's for all time...
[19:24] <magespawn> that will be interesting
[19:25] <magespawn> what about highvoltage? he was in here a bit too
[19:25] <Kilos> breathing is good for the health
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: for sure
[19:25] <drussell> inetpro: heh, yeah, life without breathing is very short :o)
[19:26] <magespawn> it is also what causes you to die
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: seems charl_ has run away now that you mentioned him
[19:26] <Kilos> charl_, ping
[19:27] <Kilos> grrr
[19:27] <Kilos> watching idiot box or something
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: don't worry he'll jump in when he has the time
[19:28] <inetpro> any other suggestions for the report, anyone!?
[19:29] <Kilos> tumbleweed, any ideas?
[19:30] <Kilos> lo ludo
[19:31] <inetpro> drussell: good to see that there's still signs of life on that side
[19:31] <inetpro> you should show more of yourself in here
[19:31] <Kilos> he does man
[19:31] <Kilos> every day or so
[19:31] <Kilos> just likes to lurk
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... so maybe it's me?
[19:31] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <superfly> inetpro: for reference: select sender.sender, count(backlog.senderid) as active from backlog join sender on sender.senderid = backlog.senderid where bufferid = 17 and time > '2010-12-01 00:00:00' group by sender.sender, backlog.senderid order by active desc;
[19:32] <Kilos> ya you lurk till your nick is mentioned or you can jump on me
[19:32] <smile> byee :p
[19:32]  * Kilos ducks
[19:32] <Kilos> toods smile 
[19:32] <smile> good night :p
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: nice
[19:32] <smile> see ya :)
[19:33] <inetpro> superfly: you should blog that when you have time
[19:35] <drussell> magespawn: one of many things that can cause death :oD
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:40] <inetpro> meanwhile it will be interesting to see the following graph over time
[19:40] <inetpro> http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ubuntu-za&net=freenode
[19:43] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:43]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[19:43] <Kilos> good idea
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:43] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[19:43] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[19:45] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[19:45] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[19:45] <magespawn> Maaz ty
[19:45] <Maaz> You are welcome magespawn
[19:45] <Kilos> hehe you check ludo
[19:46] <Kilos> i greeet daily with no reaction then when i skip a day he wants to know why
[19:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro, Kilos and magespawn!
[19:47] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[19:47] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:47] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:47] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:50] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[19:50] <Maaz> What do you want magespawn Trying to butter me up or something?
[19:50] <magespawn> Maaz for you the world is not enough
[19:50] <Maaz> magespawn: I'll remember that
[19:51] <inetpro> Maaz: for you the world
[19:51] <Maaz> inetpro: for you the world is not enough
[19:52] <inetpro> Maaz: forget last factoid
[19:52] <Maaz> inetpro: I didn't know about last factoid anyway
[19:52] <magespawn> lol
[19:52] <magespawn> did not mean to teach him that
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:53] <Kilos> i dont even get time to play with my bot anymore
[19:53] <Kilos> sigh
[20:01] <Kilos> night inetpro magespawn superfly and others
[20:01] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:01] <magespawn> night Kilos
[20:23] <inetpro> superfly: eish! That sender column has way to many records
[20:23] <superfly> inetpro: I know
[20:23] <superfly> I did a few things, and I still have to filter it down
[20:24] <inetpro> wonder why they didn't simply have a nick column
[20:43] <magespawn> good night 
[21:59] <inetpro> magespawn: gaan slaap
[22:00] <inetpro> fp