[07:59] <ttoine> hello
[08:32] <zequence> ttoine: Hello
[08:32] <ttoine> zequence, I do my membership this evening !
[08:32] <ttoine> I hope it will work !
[08:35] <zequence> ttoine: Oh? I'll make sure to be around
[08:36] <ttoine> zequence, thanks
[08:36] <zequence> Finlands independence today
[08:36] <zequence> And my birthday
[08:36] <ttoine> today ?
[08:37] <zequence> Finland 95, me, 35
[08:37] <ttoine> happy birthday !
[08:37] <zequence> Sorry, Finlands Independence Day. When I turn 40, Finland turns 100. Woo, there will be a party then
[09:20] <ttoine> zequence, ;-)
[10:28] <smartboyhw> ttoine, 12:00 UTC or 22:00 UTC????
[11:46] <ttoine> smartboyhw, 22:00 UTC
[11:47] <smartboyhw> ttoine, hmm I can't watch then:(
[12:11] <ttoine> smartboyhw, no problem
[15:22] <holstein> its ailo's birthday
[15:23] <zequence> holstein: Yea, and Finlands too.
[15:23] <smartboyhw> holstein, oh is it?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Congrats zequence 
[15:23] <zequence> Finland is becoming an old hag. She's 95
[15:23]  * smartboyhw wonders where is scott-work; he should be here congrating zequence 
[15:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Our school is 161
[15:24] <zequence> Hope it stays together ;)
[15:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:24] <holstein> my bass is older than Finland...
[15:25] <smartboyhw> holstein, LOL
[15:25] <holstein> sounds like the punchline to some awful musician joke.. "i got basses older than Finland"
[15:26] <holstein> i played with a guitar player years ago and he said "ive got ties older than you"...
[15:26] <zequence> lol
[15:26] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:26] <holstein> i thought that was a great line
[15:27] <holstein> if his guitar playing were on par with his sense of humour, we'd probably still be working together...
[15:27] <zequence> It brings many associations
[15:30] <zequence> When I turn 40, Finland turns 100. That'll be the biggest party I ever organize
[15:31] <holstein> Finland is one of those places like Australia.. on my short list of places i think i would really like to spend some time
[15:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, :D:O
[15:32] <zequence> holstein: Why Finland? There's only one city, and the rest is just forest. If you come in the wrong half of the year, all you see is snow and ice
[15:32] <holstein> lol
[15:32] <zequence> The food isn't exactly great, and the people not particularly friendly
[15:32] <holstein> i just think id like it.. from what ive seen/read/heard
[15:32] <zequence> They have loads of festivals during summer
[15:33] <zequence> Weird festivals. Lot's of humor
[15:35] <zequence> I'd like to visit New York sometime. Maybe live there for a while
[15:36] <holstein> well... i think i need to, but i dont like it at all
[15:36] <zequence> smartboyhw: Where in HK do you live?
[15:36] <holstein> im not a big city guy though...
[15:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, somewhere near Central
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Central = the commercial centre
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Hmm Kubuntu and Edubuntu Alpha 1 soon coming
[15:37] <zequence> holstein: Not me typically either, but the impression I get is the culture there is something worth experiencing
[15:38] <smartboyhw> I give you a challenge: Try to find your name in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Credits/BugReporters
[15:38] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:38] <smartboyhw> 14373 people
[15:39]  * smartboyhw finds that that doesn't include zequence 
[15:39] <smartboyhw> What!?!?
[15:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: Guess I didn't report any
[15:40] <holstein> zequence: totally somewhere for the bucket list
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[15:41] <smartboyhw> I found myself
[15:41] <holstein> i though london as a little "crazier" than NYC though
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Some interesting facts
[15:41] <holstein> was a little*
[15:42] <smartboyhw> 241 Ubuntu Developers, 41 Juju Charm Writers, 208 testers, 12 release team members, 22 contributors to Desktop User Guide, 5 to Server Guide, 26 to Release Notes, over 16 thousand translators, 223 bug analysts and 14373 bug reporters made Ubuntu 12.10 possible
[15:44] <zequence> holstein: If you do come around here, do visit Gothenburg, Sweden, where I live. Not saying just cause I live here, but it's one of the nicer cities/towns in this part of Europe
[15:44] <holstein> zequence: if i do, i'll come buy you a beer :)
[15:45] <zequence> holstein: I'll buy you one!
[15:45] <zequence> I need to visit Berlin too sometime
[15:45] <holstein> zequence: we'll take turns 8D
[15:46] <zequence> holstein: Might continue for a long time
[15:46] <holstein> works for me...
[15:57] <zequence> smartboyhw: Maybe I told you this before, but when I visited HK, I lived in a flat on a rooftop. It was a bit north from the central. Lantau Island seems like a nice place to live, especially if you build a house there, but I assume it's not cheap to do that
[15:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, buying a small flat isn't cheap
[15:58] <zequence> My favorite time in HK was when I visited the Buddhist monastary at the top of Lantau Island. Big buddha statue they have there
[15:58] <smartboyhw> The flat that I live in now (my dad bought it of course) which is 920 square feet costs him 9.2 million
[15:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[15:58] <zequence> yueez :P
[15:59] <smartboyhw> :P
[17:05] <zequence> http://richardpjohn.com/fr_blog?feature=3313756&postid=3109323
[17:31] <ttoine> less than 5 hours before the membership board !
[17:36] <ttoine> zequence, nice to read that from a pro !
[20:12] <ttoine> if some of you can be there for my membership in #ubuntu-meeting...
[22:02] <holstein> ttoine: are you ready?
[22:03] <zequence> ttoine: I'll be following the meeting
[22:04] <ttoine> I am ready
[22:04] <ttoine> holstein, if you want you can come too in "ubuntu-meeting
[22:04] <ttoine> zequence, thanks
[22:05] <holstein> im there :)
[22:16] <ttoine> it is quite fast, actually
[22:17] <zequence> Yea, much faster than when I was on
[22:27] <ttoine> after danielmato, me...
[22:34] <holstein> here you go!
[22:48] <ttoine> holstein, zequence , seems not to be so easy...
[23:00] <holstein> ttoine: we can talk about ways to improve your contributions. publically
[23:00] <holstein> if you dont get it this time...
[23:01] <holstein> ttoine: for me, this process does raise some good points and questions
[23:01] <ttoine> ...
[23:01] <holstein> i need to run to work.. but i'd like much to help you get on track for when you re apply
[23:01] <micahg> holstein: I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have :)
[23:01] <zequence> ttoine: I think if you keep being active for this cycle, like you have, you should have no problems getting membership when 13.04 is released
[23:02] <zequence> ttoine: There's no hurry after all
[23:02] <holstein> micahg: well.. i mean questions like "when the current leader joined, the team dispersed"
[23:02] <micahg> what zequence said is definitely true
[23:02] <holstein> but... thats convo for another time.. i gotta run.. and i think you'll be able to document your contributions
[23:02] <micahg> (about the membership, not about the hurry)
[23:03] <holstein> just a steady cycle of something in a wiki... more of what you are doing ttoine 
[23:03] <ttoine> zequence, I agree
[23:04] <ttoine> micahg, yes it is true. I just think that it would have helped me with the PR task, actually
[23:05] <micahg> hrm, Launchpad no longer shows who created stuff
[23:05] <micahg> ttoine: I think the team membership since 2007 should help you with that
[23:06] <ttoine> micahg, I think that it is because the guy is not in Ubuntu Studio anymore
[23:06] <ttoine> micahg, the matter is that since 2007, it is difficult to see what I have done
[23:07] <micahg> ttoine: right, but as a PR person, idk if that matters as much, for Ubuntu membership it did
[23:07] <ttoine> it was Cory who created the team in Launchpad, I guess
[23:07] <ttoine> micahg, idk ?
[23:07] <micahg> I don't know
[23:08] <ttoine> micahg, for example, it will be harder to get the twitter account for me without being a member
[23:08] <ttoine> It will need that somebody else do that stuff
[23:08] <micahg> ttoine: why?  you're a member of Ubuntu Studio
[23:08] <micahg> you're not going for an Ubuntu account, but a Studio one
[23:09] <micahg> you have the Studio membership...they might want an ACK from ScottL or something...but I don't see it as being an issue
[23:09] <ttoine> ok
[23:10] <micahg> ttoine: I definitely encourage you to go for the membership later, but I don't think it'll hinder what you hope to accomplish
[23:10] <micahg> is there a Studio domain?
[23:10] <ttoine> micahg, ok
[23:10] <ttoine> micahg, yes, we have ubuntustudio.org
[23:10] <micahg> so, maybe a mail account on that domain would be appropriate for a PR for Studio :)
[23:11] <ttoine> micahg, I don't know if it is possible
[23:12] <ttoine> micahg, but to be clear, I don't want to be a member for an email address. I want to become a member because since all those years, Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are an important part of my life
[23:12] <micahg> ttoine: it should be...kubuntu has it, idk what hoops need to be jumped through for it though
[23:12] <ttoine> but it is clear that an ubuntustudio.org email address is the key to claim the twitter account
[23:13] <micahg> ttoine: I agree
[23:14] <ttoine> astraljava could write a testimonial, but I didn't see him active for monthes
[23:15] <ttoine> micahg, I will ask scott about that email point. zequence, do you know if this is possible ? maybe knome could know ?
[23:18] <zequence> micahg: ttoine has full access to make posts on the website, and will have full access to all channels that we will be using
[23:18] <micahg> zequence: I said nothing to the contrary :)
[23:19] <ttoine> I think that zequence noticed that it will be easy to find contributions outside of launchpad and irc
[23:19] <ttoine> anyway, zequence and holstein, thanks a lot for your support !
[23:19] <zequence> Ah, no. I just misunderstood what you were talking about just now
[23:20] <zequence> ttoine: np. Keep up the good work.
[23:20] <ttoine> I will try to do my best
[23:20] <ttoine> zequence, after all, we now have a good team. It has not always been like that in the past
[23:21] <ttoine> Can you imagine that I am for creating a kind of PR team and a community since the early beginning ?
[23:23] <zequence> ttoine: I like the team as well, and I hope we can keep expanding it by delegating responsibilities to more people. 
[23:24] <zequence> We really need more people too :P
[23:24] <ttoine> zequence, it will come. At first, we need a community of users. and through the users, we will find developpers.
[23:25] <ttoine> think about all the developpers who worked on 64Studio, AVLinux, and so on... 
[23:25] <zequence> Yea. And communication will be very important
[23:25] <ttoine> We have to show that Ubuntu Studio is alive, not like all those old unmaintained projects
[23:25] <zequence> Yep
[23:26] <ttoine> then packagers, developpers, etc. will come before we can notice it
[23:27] <zequence> If we have a decent organization, we could make sure each release is bug free, and performs really well
[23:27] <zequence> Right now, it's not the case at all, I think
[23:28] <ttoine> the aim should be to become the reference distribution for companies like Harrison, Lighworks, etc.
[23:28] <zequence> With a good organization, we can have many people working independantly, testing, reporting bugs, fixing bugs. making adjustments to settings, choosing the right apps, etc
[23:28] <ttoine> zequence, you didn't see the first rt kernel... and the early ubuntu studio releases
[23:28] <micahg> maybe one day get corporate sponsorship/paid developers :)
[23:29] <ttoine> from canonical, or from other companies interested with the project.
[23:29] <micahg> similar to Blue Systems/Kubuntu
[23:29] <ttoine> But for me, I don"t hope anything : the jobs in floss is always for programmers...
[23:30] <zequence> ttoine: I've been using Ubuntu Studio off and off since 8.04
[23:30] <zequence> ttoine: It was a good distro (can't remember exactly which one I liked)
[23:30] <micahg> ttoine: actually, there's quite a bit more roles depending on the size/budget of the FLOSS project
[23:31] <ttoine> zequence, one of the most used version in production is still 10.04 LTS or something like that
[23:32] <ttoine> micahg, on very important projects, yes. But look at canonical, even community managers are programmers...
[23:33] <micahg> ttoine: there's still plenty more
[23:33] <ttoine> micahg, I saw last month a job like "sales representatives france"
[23:34] <ttoine> it is not really my job
[23:34] <micahg> there's sales, PR, support, dev
[23:34] <zequence> 9.10 was my favorie, since I was also using Puredyne, which was based on Ubuntu 9.10. They were hacking on their own rt kernel, but decided to use the on in the main repo. There might have been some problems with desktop/graphic drivers. Don't remember. There's always something.
[23:35] <ttoine> zequence, yes, there is always something. The work done to get "official" mainteners for the kernel will help a lot
[23:36] <ttoine> but look at Ubuntu, there less and less something, but there is still something at every release
[23:36] <zequence> UKT are really busy, but things are moving along. We should have control of maintenance at least before 13.04 is out
[23:38] <zequence> Yea, recent Ubuntu's are starting to feel very good. It still feels like it's "under development" though, for each release. 
[23:39] <zequence> I installed Ubuntu 12.04 today, on a friends machine, to show him ubuntu for the first time. We used wubi. The first app he wanted to use was Skype. Of course, installing with wubi for somer reason left out the partner and the extra archives
[23:39] <zequence> Not hard for me to straighten out, but for him, that would have been impossible
[23:40] <zequence> It was not just a matter of enabling the archives. I needed to add the lines to the sources.list file
[23:41] <zequence> And since I don't use Software Center a lot, I haven't learned how well it works. I tried searching for Skype, after enabling the partners archive, and updating apt. Then, reopening Software Center. No Skype. I might have missed something, but that kind of thing really screws with the idea that Ubuntu is easy
[23:42] <ttoine> yes
[23:42] <micahg> hrm, might have been missing app-install-data-partner
[23:42] <micahg> zequence: did you file a bug for WUBI?
[23:42] <zequence> micahg: Yep
[23:43] <ttoine> it is the same with most of workshop about producing multimedia with Linux. It is very true when the showman is using fedora + planetccrma
[23:43] <ttoine> people go out thinking it is not for them and they will keep their mac / win
[23:44] <ttoine> As soon than I can get some better hardware, I will try to see how I can do some howto videos
[23:47] <ttoine> hum, 1am soon here
[23:47] <ttoine> have a good night
[23:47] <zequence> ttoine: You too. Yea, 1am here too
[23:48] <zequence> Time to embrace the darkness in horizontal mode
[23:48] <micahg> is that what shutdown -h is for? :)
[23:49] <ttoine> I  can sleep a bit tomorrow morning, but work in the afternoon
[23:49] <ttoine> zequence, still working on my next webserver...
[23:49] <ttoine> micahg, nice geek command line...
[23:50] <ttoine> I will have to take care that my wife don't try that on me ;-)