[03:32] <JontheEchidna> I got in the steam beta :D
[03:39] <ScottK> Crap.
[03:39] <ScottK> We need you bored so you'll do stuff.
[04:32] <ronnoc> lol
[04:32] <ronnoc> congrats JontheEchidna you lucky SOB. I'm still waiting.
[05:25] <ScottK> cyphermox: If you get to looking at networkmanagement for Quantal  today, there's already another network management SRU in queue.  Please include that one in your upload as well.
[08:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell should I go ahead and upload 4.9.90?
[08:46] <shadeslayer> to raring-proposed
[09:05] <soee> :)
[09:20] <shadeslayer> oh my
[09:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: HUPNP was very outdated
[09:20] <shadeslayer> uploaded to ppa:rohangarg/experimental
[09:33] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[09:33] <shadeslayer> clickable link
[09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm not sure how to find out what's already been uploaded
[09:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload something?
[09:45] <shadeslayer> or did anyone upload anything?
[09:45] <Riddell> not I
[09:46] <Riddell> ScottK was talking about it
[09:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:46] <shadeslayer> kde4libs is still at 4.9.80
[09:46] <shadeslayer> so I don't think he uploaded anything
[09:48] <Riddell> presumably not then
[09:48] <Riddell> go ahead with kde4libs if you like
[09:48] <shadeslayer> okay
[09:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I actually want to get hupnp in first
[09:48] <shadeslayer> or should we defer that for next upload?
[09:49] <shadeslayer> ah well, can be fixed later
[09:49] <Riddell> what needs hupnp?
[09:49] <Riddell> is it a new hupnp?
[09:49] <shadeslayer> kde4libs
[09:49] <shadeslayer> and our hupnp is *old*
[09:49] <Riddell> I've not been packaging new bits so far
[09:49] <Riddell> I think that's a job for next week
[09:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[09:50] <shadeslayer> new hupnp already packaged :)
[09:54] <Riddell> well go for that then
[09:54] <Riddell> although I've not yet worked out what UPnP is and it sounds like that sort of thing that could have security issues
[09:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you block migration from -proposed till we upload everything?
[10:00] <Riddell> I think ScottK already did?
[10:00] <shadeslayer> idk
[10:00] <Riddell> he said so
[10:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's your status on nepomuk-core?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> well ... uh ..I went to sleep after talking to you guys
[10:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/i8DW3.jpg
[10:03] <Riddell> ever since Sean left Bond films have been pretty poor in their portrayal of Scotland
[10:05] <Riddell> and of course none of the other Bonds are as good since they didn't go to my school
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[10:07] <shadeslayer> haha
[10:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we should just upload it without ffmpeg for now, and figure out what to do next week
[10:15] <valorie> Riddell: when I landed in Edinburgh a few years ago on a trip with my dad and sister, the first kilted man I saw looked like a Bond-era Sean Connery
[10:16] <valorie> I almost walked up to him to start a conversation, just to hear that voice
[10:18] <shadeslayer> weird
[10:19] <shadeslayer> adding libpolkit-qt-1-dev to the build dep of pykde4 doesn't make it pick up polkit-qt
[10:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I seem to remember just dropping the polkit bindings at some point because they didn't work
[10:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:21] <Riddell> but check the changelog
[10:22] <shadeslayer> nothing in there
[10:26] <shadeslayer> nothing bzr log as well
[10:30] <Peace-> hi :)
[10:31]  * Peace- sudo apt-get upgrade on 13.04 alpha
[10:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think we're good now
[10:32] <shadeslayer> the status page is lagging, but libkmahjongg and kmahjongg are done
[10:38] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html updated
[10:41] <shadeslayer> cool!
[10:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pykde is looking for an old polkit, I've updated the ignore file in automation scripts
[11:00] <shadeslayer> it's looking for an *old* polkit? 0.o
[11:01] <Riddell> old polkit-qt yes
[11:01] <shadeslayer> that .... makes no sense to me, but ok
[11:02] <Riddell> well the bindings just haven't been updated for the new version
[11:03] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:18] <Riddell> groovy 4.9.90 installed and running
[11:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you start uploading bits?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> nope, do you want me to?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> I only uploaded kde4libs
[11:19] <Riddell> well it's time to do it I recon so either you can or I can
[11:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and hupnp?
[11:19] <shadeslayer> I'd like to do it, I've never used the automation scripts
[11:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs sponsoring
[11:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok I'll take hupnp and kde-l10n and you do everything else?
[11:20] <Riddell> remember to do meta-kde too
[11:20] <shadeslayer> sure
[11:20] <shadeslayer> should I upload meta-kde first?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> and the other thing, do the scripts allow you to remotely sign?
[11:21] <Riddell> yep
[11:21] <Riddell> yep upload meta-kde after kde4libs
[11:22] <shadeslayer> cool
[11:22] <Riddell> I don't think kubuntu-archive-upload has remote signing in it you might need to add that
[11:22] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:22] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look
[11:32] <shadeslayer> *blink*
[11:32] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621524/
[11:34] <shadeslayer> oh, possibly needs kubuntu-dev-tools
[11:34] <Riddell> yeah
[11:35] <shadeslayer> hmm .. doing this remotely has potential issues like bzr pushing
[11:40] <Peace-> Riddell: :) rpi http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rpiffmpeg.jpeg
[11:40] <Riddell> whee
[11:46] <shadeslayer> try running KDE on it :P
[11:47] <Peace-> shadeslayer: on the rpi ?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:47] <Peace-> i could 
[11:47] <Peace-> i have runned kate and dolphin 
[11:47] <Peace-> and they worked fine 
[11:49] <Peace-> shadeslayer: :)) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktopUs2016.png
[11:49] <shadeslayer> nah, I meant the proper plasma-desktop
[11:49] <Peace-> mm
[11:49] <Peace-> i need to install plasma-desktop
[11:51] <Peace-> 306mb of stuff :P
[11:56]  * jussi slaps Quintasan_
[11:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: I personally found HUPnP rather annoying when we tested it back then, but feel free to try it out
[11:59] <shadeslayer> oic
[12:00] <Riddell> jussi: that's very violent!
[12:01] <jussi> Riddell: I suppose... :P - but I didnt do it hard, it was more a friendly "come on you, do what you promised" :D
[12:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: what do you suggest I do wrt to kubuntu-archive-upload asking for auth via LP but lynks not supporting REFER
[12:04] <shadeslayer> that's the only thing that's left to setup on the server
[12:05] <shadeslayer> I even copied ~/.launchpadlib to the server
[12:07] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621536/
[12:07] <yofel> my usual solution is to make the script use a credentials file that I made on my desktop, here that would mean adding credentials file support to at least 2 scripts
[12:07] <shadeslayer> :S
[12:07] <yofel> doesn't w3m support referers?
[12:08] <shadeslayer> dunno
[12:08] <yofel> IIRC there was a way to authenticate to LP using a text browser. I just haven't tried it in a year or so
[12:08] <shadeslayer> lemme check
[12:09]  * shadeslayer crosses fingers
[12:11] <Riddell> w3m works
[12:15] <shadeslayer> yay
[12:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:23] <yofel> does someone by chance know how to completely wipe the python-keyring configuration? Every attempt to authenticate to LP without a credfile on my server ends with some json error from the keyring lately
[12:29] <shadeslayer> hmph .... it's stuck at downloading blinken
[12:31] <Peace-> shadeslayer: mmm that is plasma-desktopp on rpi via ssh lol http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktopBL6685.png
[12:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:31] <Peace-> shadeslayer: btw panels are not from rpi but from my laptop
[12:32] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:32] <Peace-> lol it sucks 
[12:32] <Peace-> well is ssh
[12:34] <shadeslayer> 0.o why is it checking out things at 8KBps
[12:35] <shadeslayer> W: blinken source: missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright gpl-2+ (paragraph at line 9)
[12:36] <shadeslayer> fixed
[12:37] <shadeslayer> cantor is a bit screwed up
[12:38] <yofel> you're uploading everything? I still see missing files on the status page. Nothing serious though
[12:38] <shadeslayer> false positives
[12:38] <shadeslayer> or not needed
[12:38] <shadeslayer> ( in case of palapeli )
[12:39] <yofel> still have to be put in not-installed the packages will be red on the page
[12:39] <yofel> put an 'or' in there somewhere
[12:39] <shadeslayer> I did
[12:39] <yofel> hm
[12:39] <shadeslayer> atleast I think I did
[12:40] <yofel> anyway, I'll give backporting to quantal a try when I get home or tomorrow
[12:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: they bumped up prices on buyvm btw
[12:42] <shadeslayer> it's 25 USD for a year now
[12:43] <yofel> for kvm, ovpenvz is 15 from what I see
[12:44] <shadeslayer> oh yeah, for a moment I thought we had kvm
[12:45] <yofel> I wonder if KVM allows swapfiles, if yes that would be the better option
[12:45] <shadeslayer> it does
[12:45] <shadeslayer> ( from what I was told earlier )
[12:46] <shadeslayer> they're offering 50 GB's of additional space for 5 USD a month
[12:46] <shadeslayer> I wonder if they'll take 12 USD and give me 10 GB's for a year
[12:47] <yofel> then taking the 2'nd KVM option with 30G and 256 ram is the better option
[12:47] <shadeslayer> but that'll come out to 60 USD :P
[12:48] <yofel> depends on what you need
[12:48] <shadeslayer> instead, with the openVZ + 10GB space, I only pay 27 USD :)
[12:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, I already have a hefty build server :D
[12:48]  * yofel works around the transmission crashes by restarting it daily
[12:49] <yofel> I really wouldn't mind full 256M 
[12:52] <soee> shadeslayer, when can i expect beta2 for quantal ?
[12:52] <soee> :>
[12:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: I might upload it tonight
[12:53] <shadeslayer> erm
[12:53] <shadeslayer> soee: ^
[12:53] <shadeslayer> assuming 4.9.90 uploads fine 
[12:53] <shadeslayer> for raring
[12:53] <soee> ah nice, sadly im only on my laptop during weekend :/
[12:53] <yofel> then I'll hold off on that. I'll help with fixing later
[12:53] <soee> so i can try tu update next monday
[12:53] <shadeslayer> does the kubuntu-archive-upload script also bzr push?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> or do I have to write a script to do that :P
[12:55] <yofel> that part is commented out, see bottom
[12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think I'll start throwing up the packages for quantal now
[12:56] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:56] <yofel> it's better to do that seperately in case the script crashes
[12:57] <shadeslayer> uhhhhh
[12:58] <shadeslayer> good point
[13:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: accessing tarballs through the LP API is slow :(
[13:00] <BluesKaj> It looks like the 3.7 kernel definitely has seriuos HW recognition problems on my system.The install progress freezes about 2 secs in on both wireless and wired input devices,
[13:02] <shadeslayer> so. fricking. slow
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ok, not touching this thing for the next one hour
[13:04] <shadeslayer> should be done by then
[13:05] <Riddell> meh usb-creator isn't working on raring "An error occurred while talking to the udisks service."
[13:05] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:06] <Peace-> Riddell: mm i have another error 
[13:06] <Peace-> Riddell: type error ky18()
[13:06] <Peace-> i mean on usb-creator-kde on raring
[13:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Sebastian Trueg requested that we package plasmate in Kubuntu, and they're discussing about a release soonish, so I've added that as a task
[13:07] <shadeslayer> they're in kdereview atm
[13:07] <Peace-> it says even line 47 in module 
[13:07] <Riddell> we've looked at it and since there's no release concluded it wasn't ready to package
[13:07] <Riddell> so he's got it the wrong way around
[13:08] <shadeslayer> sure, but they're going to have a release soon
[13:08] <shadeslayer> and if they don't we can nudge them to release it
[13:13] <Peace-> Riddell: http://wklej.org/id/890343
[13:14] <Riddell> Peace-: that's even stranger
[13:14] <Riddell> Peace-: what verson of python-kde4 do you have?
[13:15] <Peace-> Riddell: i just upgrade on raring 
[13:15] <Peace-> but wait a moment
[13:16] <Peace-> Riddell: mm seems it is not there 
[13:16] <Peace-> Riddell: fresh and clean installation of  13.04
[13:17] <Peace-> i did only  update and upgrade
[13:17] <Peace-> i mean sudo apt-get update etc 
[13:18] <Peace-> system says i have python-kde4 installed
[13:20] <Peace-> Riddell: ii  python-kde4                          4:4.9.80-0ubuntu2                           i386         Python bindings for the KDE Development Platform
[13:21] <Riddell> Peace-: wait until 4.9.90 arrives and test then I guess
[13:22] <Peace-> Riddell: ok :D no problem
[13:24] <Peace-> Riddell: btw there is a iso for arm ? rpi ?
[13:24] <Peace-> :DDD
[13:25] <Peace-> i mean of kubunut
[13:26] <Riddell> Peace-: there's an image yes
[13:26] <Riddell> but not for raspberry pi if that's what you're after
[13:26] <Peace-> ah
[13:27] <Peace-> tx :D
[13:31] <jussi> buttons on notifications are too small... :/
[13:45] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: hi, you asked me to remind about the quantal update :P
[13:49] <Quintasan> jussi: What did I do T_T
[14:03] <shadeslayer> grrr
[14:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdegames haven't been uploaded to bzr
[14:04] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:04] <shadeslayer> causing : [14:06] <shadeslayer> want to fix first?
[14:06] <Riddell> let me see
[14:07] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621638/
[14:07] <Riddell> kbounce is in bzr
[14:07] <Riddell> there's a few I'm finding which aren't packaged
[14:07] <shadeslayer> but isn't updated to 4.9.90 maybe?
[14:07] <Riddell> yeah it might need the version number fixed
[14:08] <shadeslayer> dafuq http://paste.kde.org/621650/
[14:09] <Riddell> I have no idea what's gone on there
[14:09] <shadeslayer> me neither
[14:09] <shadeslayer> will fix manually
[14:11] <shadeslayer> W: kdegraphics-thumbnailers source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 9)
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you fix versioning in kdegames?
[14:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm ok
[14:16] <shadeslayer> kdesdk has already been released? 0.o
[14:18] <shadeslayer> fun : http://paste.kde.org/621662/
[14:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no kdesdk hasn't, just a changelog issue if it says it has
[14:20] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: that trace is shopped off. (Or did it really crash there?)
[14:20] <yofel> *chopped
[14:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: it really did crash there : http://paste.kde.org/621668/
[14:21] <yofel> that's better. I guess some exception handling for parsing error would be nice...
[14:22] <yofel> *errors
[14:22] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[14:24] <shadeslayer> what do I do now @_@
[14:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: done
[14:25] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[14:27] <yofel> fix the problem in kmahjongg and retry. Preferably after fixing the script
[14:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:27] <shadeslayer> but I'm not sure what the problem is tbh :P
[14:29] <yofel> OH, the script fails when you have less than 2 changelog entries
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:29] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[14:30] <yofel> not really, it parses all versions out of the changelog and compares the last 2
[14:30] <yofel> if there's less than 2 then versions[1] is null
[14:30] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:32] <yofel> I'm not quite sure why it checks the 2nd entry though
[14:33] <shadeslayer> that's what I'm thinking as well
[14:33] <yofel> debfx: ^
[14:41] <shadeslayer> well .. .this is weird
[14:41] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621680 < says W: kdegraphics-thumbnailers source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 9)
[14:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:42] <shadeslayer> typo
[14:45] <shadeslayer> maybe I can get away with just looking ath the last version? :P
[14:45] <BluesKaj> no luck with the mini.iso either , it freezes as well ...tried the 12.10 alternate install and it starts and appears to work ok , I stopped it at the partitioning phase , so the cdrom isn't to blame 
[14:46] <BluesKaj> I guess 13 is no longer my lucky number :)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> hmph
[15:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: there's no way to count the number of objects in a list?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> in python
[15:12] <yofel> len(<list>) should do it?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> ah k
[15:12]  * yofel is guessing right now
[15:13] <yofel> yeah, len
[15:14] <yofel> heh, with all the post-4.9.4 fixes we'll now get 4.9.5 after all
[15:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621686/
[15:16] <shadeslayer> just a workaround for now
[15:16] <yofel> please do check if the version is correct...
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[15:16] <shadeslayer> will add check
[15:16] <yofel> otherwise fine
[15:25] <shadeslayer> ohkay
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you already uploaded quantal ? :P
[15:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah
[15:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: we can just call : if not version in versions
[15:31] <shadeslayer> would automatically check
[15:31] <yofel> indeed (as long it's not supposed to only check in the first 2)
[15:32] <yofel> but I can't think of a reason why that would be the case
[15:33] <shadeslayer> I'm getting this now : [15:33] <shadeslayer> :|
[15:34] <shadeslayer> and if I do : if version not in versions[0] that gives me : [15:35] <yofel> does it differ? I think the script doesn't support bzr-only changes that aren't in the PPA
[15:35]  * Peace- snowing
[15:36] <yofel> here too ^^
[15:36] <Peace-> yofel: where ? 
[15:36] <yofel> Stuttgart, southwest germany
[15:36] <shadeslayer> afaik it should be the same
[15:36] <Peace-> italy verona yofel :P
[15:36] <shadeslayer> but lets check
[15:37] <yofel> thinking about that check: it looks if the first entry is wrong, and if the 2nd entry matches and then barfs
[15:37] <yofel> so another way to resolve this would be:
[15:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:37] <yofel> hm, no
[15:41] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621704/
[15:42] <shadeslayer> that's why
[15:42] <shadeslayer> someone needs to upload all the kdegames again from bzr :P
[15:42] <yofel> fun
[15:43] <yofel> does it really need to be libkdegames >= 4.9.90?
[15:43] <yofel> or does libkdegames not have a symbols file?
[15:44] <yofel> considering how savy we are on SRU updates, adding a symbols file to libkdegames and dropping the >= would be easier
[15:44] <yofel> hm. or we update that manually and leave it out from the auto-replace magic in initial-upload
[15:45] <shadeslayer> we do have symbols there
[15:46] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdegames/view/head:/debian/libkdegamesprivate1.symbols
[15:46] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdegames/view/head:/debian/libkdegames6.symbols as well
[15:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: would you do the honours? since you probably have all of that scripted :P
[15:47] <yofel> good. Then it would probably make more sense to use the ABI manager than a strict version dependency
[15:47] <yofel> same goes for the other libs actually, it was annoying to change the deps for 4.9.4
[15:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: for which?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> kdegames
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/621704/
[15:48] <shadeslayer> the packages in the PPA are different from the ones in bzr
[15:49] <Riddell> didn't I just do all those?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> well ... you uploaded the stuff to bzr right?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> now the packaging is completely different :P
[15:51] <Riddell> bzr is libkdegames-dev (>= 4:4.9.90)
[15:51] <Riddell> that's what should be uploaded to the archive
[15:51] <shadeslayer> the PPA isn't
[15:51] <shadeslayer> causing issues with the script
[15:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you're bored, copy the diff-check from initia-upload over. It would be nice if one could override this
[15:52] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:52] <yofel> on a per-case basis
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: looking
[15:56] <yofel> it's line 215ff
[15:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't see how we can override this
[16:06] <shadeslayer> unless I'm missing something
[16:08] <yofel> in kubuntu-archive-upload line 153ff integrate the user-interaction part from kubuntu-initial-upload
[16:09] <yofel> at the end it currently calls 'continue' there which skips the upload, so let the user decide whether it should upload or not on that point
[16:09] <shadeslayer> right
[16:09] <shadeslayer> but that's my question, how do you make bzr-buildpackage use the packaging from bzr instead of the one from the PPA
[16:10] <yofel> huh? the whole point of bzr-buildpackage is to build from bzr.
[16:10] <yofel> Now I'm missing something...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> ah, nvm
[16:10] <shadeslayer> understood
[16:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621716/
[16:15] <shadeslayer> erm, ignore line 3
[16:17] <yofel> it would actually be nice if it would really show the diff, now you don't know what the diff is
[16:17] <yofel> i.e. add:
[16:17] <yofel>             p = subprocess.Popen(["less"], stdin=subprocess.PIPE)
[16:17] <yofel>             p.communicate("Package: %s\n\n[16:17] <yofel> using the right objects
[16:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:18] <shadeslayer> there's         p = subprocess.Popen(["diffstat", "-l", "-p1"], stdin=subprocess.PIPE, stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
[16:19] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[16:19]  * shadeslayer tries something
[16:19] <yofel> just look at what initial-upload does. it already works there
[16:19] <shadeslayer> right
[16:25] <shadeslayer> wohoo, we have diff stat functionality
[16:26] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: we just found out it didn't worked, I think it was something left from the cinnamon session, but lamarque is not online now to help debugin..
[16:28] <Quintasan> kimpanel broken as usual
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fix it fix it
[16:30] <Quintasan> how about no?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> fix it x 100
[16:30] <Quintasan> how about I have no idea why are we even working with ibus
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'm getting you business cards
[16:30] <Quintasan> あああああ
[16:30] <shadeslayer> does that not mean a thing to you!
[16:30] <Quintasan> Okay, so the default ibus-setup works
[16:31] <Quintasan> but getting kimpanel to work
[16:31] <Quintasan> is like
[16:31] <Quintasan> urgh
[16:32] <Quintasan> I believe the package itself is broken
[16:32] <Quintasan> not sure what is broken
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ohahaha
[16:39] <shadeslayer> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[16:39] <Quintasan> hmmm
[16:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: Is kimpanel supposed to work normally in quantal?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'm not sure, but any ideas what this is : http://paste.kde.org/621740/
[16:44] <yofel> diff probably doesn't like broken symlinks
[16:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:44] <shadeslayer> I've removed kde-workspace, looking at it manually
[16:46]  * yofel makes his way home - bbl
[16:49] <shadeslayer> cya
[16:56] <shadeslayer> god damnit
[16:56] <shadeslayer>     if len(diffstatLines) > 1 or diffstatLines[0] != "debian/changelog":
[16:56] <shadeslayer> IndexError: list index out of range
[16:56] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:56] <shadeslayer> thank you python
[17:10] <Quintasan> I'd like to believe i got kimpanel working
[17:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: Keep your fingers crossed as I might have got it working in Quantal
[17:22] <Quintasan> ...
[17:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: any idea why postinst and postrm scripts are getting ignored?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> uhhhh
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are they being ignored or do they crash?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> and iirc dpkg can only run sh scripts, not bash scripts
[17:24] <Quintasan> ARGH
[17:25] <Quintasan> Y U DON'T WORK KIMPANEL
[17:25] <Quintasan> あああ
[17:25] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:25] <Quintasan> HMMMMMMMMMM
[17:25] <Quintasan> this is retarded
[17:26] <shadeslayer> and maybe they work
[17:26] <Quintasan> mmkay
[17:26] <shadeslayer> just don't do the things that you want
[17:27] <Quintasan> this shit is sh
[17:27] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/621764
[17:28] <shadeslayer> hmm looks ok
[17:28] <Quintasan> whatever
[17:28] <Quintasan> I'm not sure we need this
[17:29] <Quintasan> lemme try it other way
[17:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What I dislike about rekonq it is it's inability to rembember which pages I had opened
[17:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I have Uni activity
[17:34] <Quintasan> and at desktop 2 I want to have rekonq open with wolfram alpha
[17:34] <Quintasan> and on desktop 3 I want another window to be opened with tangorin.com
[17:34] <shadeslayer> What I dislike about rekonq is that it has insane code in places
[17:34] <shadeslayer> and my fixes get overwritten by broken code
[17:35] <Quintasan> yet when I restart the activity the rekonq on desktop 2 has some random webpage I opened in third window on the other activity
[17:35] <Quintasan> and rekonq on desktop 3 has no tabs open at all
[17:35] <shadeslayer> yeah iirc that's some bug
[17:35] <shadeslayer> it's on bugzilla
[17:36] <shadeslayer> waiting to be fixed
[17:36] <Quintasan> I believe nonkde apps won't be able to handle activities properly
[17:36] <Quintasan> Which renders it useless T_T
[17:37] <shadeslayer> dafuq http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktoplm2140.png
[17:38] <Quintasan> HRRRRr
[17:39] <Quintasan> okay
[17:40] <Quintasan> I have absloutely no idea how to fix this in packaging
[17:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Say, I have the kimpanel added
[17:40] <shadeslayer> hmm executing the lib manually works
[17:40] <shadeslayer> so something weird here
[17:40] <Quintasan> ibus is not started so shortcuts to enable ims don't work
[17:41] <Quintasan> when you invoke ibus-deamon you get the shortcuts alongside GTK gui
[17:41] <Quintasan> i.e this http://i.imgur.com/eGRmA.png
[17:42] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:42] <Quintasan> the kimpanel looks like http://i.imgur.com/kGIJX.png
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no point in showing me, I wouldn't know to fix it :P
[17:43] <Quintasan> wait
[17:43] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:43] <Quintasan> I know how to get this shit working but not how packaging wise
[17:43] <Quintasan> now if you kill the ibus-deamon
[17:44] <Quintasan> and invoke
[17:44] <Quintasan> ibus-daemon -dx --panel=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel
[17:44] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/9qlJi.png
[17:44] <Quintasan> tadam
[17:46] <Quintasan> ばか！
[17:46] <Quintasan> so it work
[17:46] <Quintasan> s
[17:46] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:47] <Quintasan> so in other words
[17:47] <Quintasan> We need to invoke it right after plasma-widget-kimpanel is installed and everytime after reboot occurs
[17:48] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[17:48] <Quintasan> That way kimpanel WILL work but the initial configuration of input methods is still left to user
[17:48] <Quintasan> because
[17:48] <Quintasan> the ibus input methods list is empty after install
[17:48] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/7RG65.png
[17:48] <Quintasan> like this
[17:49] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:49] <Quintasan> and you need to add the input method your self
[17:49] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/FkNwg.png
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: so write a upstart script?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> and then call it post-inst
[17:49] <Quintasan> in my case it was anthy since I'm interested in japanese input
[17:51] <Quintasan> there was this guy on our ML who apparently fixed it
[17:51] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/621782 - 3) ok, but the others don't look right
[17:51]  * yofel puts updating meta on todo list
[17:51] <Quintasan> but what he was doing was installing kimpanel-ibus-panel.desktop: http://paste.kde.org/621788 -> /etc/xdg/autostart/
[17:52] <Quintasan> that didn't work
[17:52] <Quintasan> he also copied debian/xinput/ibus-kde:http://paste.kde.org/621794 but I have NO idea how that works
[17:54] <Quintasan> debian/xinput/ibus-kde -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/
[17:54] <shadeslayer> whaaa
[17:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: meta? 
[17:55] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:55] <yofel> we'll need refreshed meta packages
[17:55] <shadeslayer> as in kubuntu-desktop?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> right
[17:55] <yofel> no, kde-meta. At least *I* use kde-full
[17:55] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[17:55] <yofel> and that does not install full kde currently
[17:55] <shadeslayer> right
[17:55]  * yofel fixes kajongg in the meanwhile
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw do you know why we checked for debian/changelog in line 153?
[17:57] <yofel> brb, dinner
[17:57] <shadeslayer> k
[17:57] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[17:58] <shadeslayer> entirely possible that first line is not changelog but some other thing
[17:58] <shadeslayer> like cantor.install
[17:58] <shadeslayer> or sth
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you also fix E: kshisen source: version-substvar-for-external-package kshisen -> kdegames-mahjongg-data
[18:07] <shadeslayer> I've skipped it for now
[18:09] <yofel> sure
[18:09] <yofel> o.O
[18:09] <yofel> yeah, the check is weird
[18:09] <shadeslayer> W: ktouch source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 22: Cannot parse line "Copyright 2004 by Marc Heyvaert (marc_heyvaert AT yahoo DOT com)"
[18:10] <shadeslayer> just don't fix it right now
[18:10] <shadeslayer> might screw up bzr or sth
[18:10] <shadeslayer> it's at libkcddb
[18:10] <yofel> I already fixed kajongg
[18:11] <shadeslayer> drat
[18:11] <yofel> uploaded right now, so maybe it'll be accepted fast enough
[18:11] <shadeslayer> W: libkdeedu source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 6)
[18:11] <yofel> unless that doesn't matter
[18:11] <shadeslayer> dunno
[18:11] <shadeslayer> I think kajongg was done about 20 minutes ago
[18:12] <shadeslayer> this script needs to be multi threaded :P
[18:13] <shadeslayer> but then there's no such thing as multiple threads in python
[18:15] <yofel> well, there is a thread module. But I've never used it. Probably something based on the C one
[18:20] <shadeslayer> W: perlqt source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 5)
[18:24] <shadeslayer> oh god, now I get to sign everything
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yay
[18:35] <shadeslayer> bzr pushing btw
[18:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: Now in kajongg
[18:36] <shadeslayer> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.                                                                                                         
[18:39] <yofel> oh, you're pushing changes on your side and I already pushed mine
[18:39] <shadeslayer> right
[18:43] <shadeslayer> okay that should be it
[18:43] <shadeslayer> all branches pushed
[18:43] <shadeslayer> still waiting for signing to complete
[18:54] <shadeslayer> should I skip marble for now?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> or upload it anyway?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> same for kdesdk
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ( both broke ABI )
[19:00] <yofel> if there's no solution planned upstream use the ABI manager and be done
[19:01] <shadeslayer> all the new games get rejected
[19:01] <shadeslayer> because I don't have upload rights
[19:06] <shadeslayer> okay, I just uploaded at the wrong time I think, only 3 builders for amd64 and 1 for i386
[19:06] <shadeslayer> everything else is disabled
[19:08] <yofel> that doesn't look good considering it's friday
[19:08] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:08] <yofel> well ok, it's still work hours in the US
[19:09] <shadeslayer> the buildd's are on a holiday, even they need a break
[19:20] <shadeslayer> all done
[19:22] <jussi> Riddell: whatever happened to my shirt?
[19:56] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: on side note, how will the business cards look like? 
[21:08] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.
[21:09] <ScottK> Riddell: To clarify from the backscroll  - I did put a block in place to keep kde4libs (and thus the rest of 4.9.90) from transitioning before we are ready.
[21:15] <rbelem> ping danimo 
[21:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: on side note, how will the business cards look like? 
[21:31] <danimo> rbelem: pong
[21:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: I timed how long it took to make the touchpad configuration thingy open up on a Windows machine today and it was 8 seconds (or about that, I got bored and distracted waiting).  Even with the time to start the Python interpreter, we do a pretty good job in comparison.
[21:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you ever work out the symbol issues in marble etc before uploading?
[21:46] <yofel> libmarblewidget15.symbols is still from 4.9.80 from what I see
[21:48] <Riddell> yofel: it's ABI breakage
[21:48] <Riddell> I e-mailed their mailing list but they haven't said anything
[21:49] <yofel> sure, but if we put it in the archive in the current state, we need to rebuild the rdeps or things WILL break
[21:52] <yofel> hm, seems he didn't upload, good
[21:52] <ScottK> Isn't this kind of situation why we have the Debian ABI manager?
[21:53] <yofel> sure, it's just that with some packages still broken, some uploaded, and bzr showing pretty much all as uploaded it's a bit hard to figure out what a package's situation is
[21:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I like to give upstream a chance to do the right thing and revert or bump the soname
[21:53] <ScottK> OK.
[21:54] <yofel> Riddell: me too - that's what the release embargo is for, but now it's just holding us up. If they fix it we can remove the abi manager later
[22:00] <ScottK> Maybe use ~abi0
[22:05] <yofel> would work as long as we have a guarantee that upstream will fix it.
[22:06] <yofel> I'll work on the backports for now, it's not an issue there
[22:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: I wonder if windows is the thing we should measure against ^^
[22:56] <apachelogger> but yeah, windows is of course inferior in a lot of regards
[23:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just a data point.
[23:02] <ScottK> Actually after several hours on a  Windows 7 machine today my entire Kubuntu experience feels lightning fast.
[23:02] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:02] <apachelogger> windows 7 is quite bad in the performance department
[23:02] <apachelogger> windows 8 improved a lot there IMHO
[23:03] <ScottK> Dunno.  This wasn't a situation where I had a choice.
[23:07] <yofel> apachelogger: does the speed increase of windows 8 compensate the increased time it takes to get to things?
[23:08] <apachelogger> fud alert :P
[23:08] <yofel> I had to use windows 8 for a few hours a few days ago. Sure you get used to it, but it feels kinda clumsy on a notebook
[23:08] <apachelogger> it's like krunner really
[23:53] <valorie> for the record, we have no spyware in our kubuntu flavor, correct?
[23:54] <valorie> re: shadeslayer's link
[23:54] <valorie> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[23:54] <apachelogger> lol
[23:57] <yofel> we certainly don't have that shopping lens in kubuntu, so unless Amarok sends info about you when you search for songs on amazon we should be fine