[03:32] I got in the steam beta :D [03:39] Crap. [03:39] We need you bored so you'll do stuff. [04:32] lol [04:32] congrats JontheEchidna you lucky SOB. I'm still waiting. [05:25] cyphermox: If you get to looking at networkmanagement for Quantal today, there's already another network management SRU in queue. Please include that one in your upload as well. === valorie_ is now known as valorie === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:46] ScottK: Riddell should I go ahead and upload 4.9.90? [08:46] to raring-proposed [09:05] :) [09:20] oh my [09:20] ScottK: HUPNP was very outdated [09:20] uploaded to ppa:rohangarg/experimental [09:33] https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages [09:33] clickable link [09:45] shadeslayer: I'm not sure how to find out what's already been uploaded [09:45] Riddell: did you upload something? [09:45] or did anyone upload anything? [09:45] not I [09:46] ScottK was talking about it [09:46] ah [09:46] kde4libs is still at 4.9.80 [09:46] so I don't think he uploaded anything [09:48] presumably not then [09:48] go ahead with kde4libs if you like [09:48] okay [09:48] Riddell: I actually want to get hupnp in first [09:48] or should we defer that for next upload? [09:49] ah well, can be fixed later [09:49] what needs hupnp? [09:49] is it a new hupnp? [09:49] kde4libs [09:49] and our hupnp is *old* [09:49] I've not been packaging new bits so far [09:49] I think that's a job for next week [09:50] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages [09:50] new hupnp already packaged :) [09:54] well go for that then [09:54] although I've not yet worked out what UPnP is and it sounds like that sort of thing that could have security issues [09:59] Riddell: can you block migration from -proposed till we upload everything? [10:00] I think ScottK already did? [10:00] idk [10:00] he said so [10:00] okay [10:01] shadeslayer: what's your status on nepomuk-core? [10:01] well ... uh ..I went to sleep after talking to you guys [10:02] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/i8DW3.jpg [10:03] ever since Sean left Bond films have been pretty poor in their portrayal of Scotland [10:05] and of course none of the other Bonds are as good since they didn't go to my school [10:05] [10:07] haha [10:09] Riddell: we should just upload it without ffmpeg for now, and figure out what to do next week [10:15] Riddell: when I landed in Edinburgh a few years ago on a trip with my dad and sister, the first kilted man I saw looked like a Bond-era Sean Connery [10:16] I almost walked up to him to start a conversation, just to hear that voice [10:18] weird [10:19] adding libpolkit-qt-1-dev to the build dep of pykde4 doesn't make it pick up polkit-qt [10:20] shadeslayer: I seem to remember just dropping the polkit bindings at some point because they didn't work [10:20] oh [10:21] but check the changelog [10:22] nothing in there [10:26] nothing bzr log as well [10:30] hi :) [10:31] * Peace- sudo apt-get upgrade on 13.04 alpha [10:32] Riddell: I think we're good now [10:32] the status page is lagging, but libkmahjongg and kmahjongg are done [10:38] http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html updated [10:41] cool! [10:59] shadeslayer: pykde is looking for an old polkit, I've updated the ignore file in automation scripts [11:00] it's looking for an *old* polkit? 0.o [11:01] old polkit-qt yes [11:01] that .... makes no sense to me, but ok [11:02] well the bindings just haven't been updated for the new version [11:03] ah [11:18] groovy 4.9.90 installed and running [11:18] shadeslayer: did you start uploading bits? [11:18] nope, do you want me to? [11:18] I only uploaded kde4libs [11:19] well it's time to do it I recon so either you can or I can [11:19] shadeslayer: and hupnp? [11:19] I'd like to do it, I've never used the automation scripts [11:19] Riddell: needs sponsoring [11:20] shadeslayer: ok I'll take hupnp and kde-l10n and you do everything else? [11:20] remember to do meta-kde too [11:20] sure [11:20] should I upload meta-kde first? [11:21] and the other thing, do the scripts allow you to remotely sign? [11:21] yep [11:21] yep upload meta-kde after kde4libs [11:22] cool [11:22] I don't think kubuntu-archive-upload has remote signing in it you might need to add that [11:22] oh [11:22] I'll have a look [11:32] *blink* [11:32] http://paste.kde.org/621524/ [11:34] oh, possibly needs kubuntu-dev-tools [11:34] yeah [11:35] hmm .. doing this remotely has potential issues like bzr pushing === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [11:40] Riddell: :) rpi http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rpiffmpeg.jpeg [11:40] whee [11:46] try running KDE on it :P [11:47] shadeslayer: on the rpi ? [11:47] yep [11:47] i could [11:47] i have runned kate and dolphin [11:47] and they worked fine [11:49] shadeslayer: :)) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktopUs2016.png [11:49] nah, I meant the proper plasma-desktop [11:49] mm [11:49] i need to install plasma-desktop [11:51] 306mb of stuff :P [11:56] * jussi slaps Quintasan_ [11:58] shadeslayer: I personally found HUPnP rather annoying when we tested it back then, but feel free to try it out [11:59] oic [12:00] jussi: that's very violent! [12:01] Riddell: I suppose... :P - but I didnt do it hard, it was more a friendly "come on you, do what you promised" :D [12:04] yofel: what do you suggest I do wrt to kubuntu-archive-upload asking for auth via LP but lynks not supporting REFER [12:04] that's the only thing that's left to setup on the server [12:05] I even copied ~/.launchpadlib to the server [12:07] http://paste.kde.org/621536/ [12:07] my usual solution is to make the script use a credentials file that I made on my desktop, here that would mean adding credentials file support to at least 2 scripts [12:07] :S [12:07] doesn't w3m support referers? [12:08] dunno [12:08] IIRC there was a way to authenticate to LP using a text browser. I just haven't tried it in a year or so [12:08] lemme check [12:09] * shadeslayer crosses fingers [12:11] w3m works [12:15] yay [12:15] yeah [12:23] does someone by chance know how to completely wipe the python-keyring configuration? Every attempt to authenticate to LP without a credfile on my server ends with some json error from the keyring lately [12:29] hmph .... it's stuck at downloading blinken [12:31] shadeslayer: mmm that is plasma-desktopp on rpi via ssh lol http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktopBL6685.png [12:31] heh [12:31] shadeslayer: btw panels are not from rpi but from my laptop [12:32] okay [12:32] lol it sucks [12:32] well is ssh [12:34] 0.o why is it checking out things at 8KBps [12:35] W: blinken source: missing-license-paragraph-in-dep5-copyright gpl-2+ (paragraph at line 9) [12:36] fixed [12:37] cantor is a bit screwed up [12:38] you're uploading everything? I still see missing files on the status page. Nothing serious though [12:38] false positives [12:38] or not needed [12:38] ( in case of palapeli ) [12:39] still have to be put in not-installed the packages will be red on the page [12:39] put an 'or' in there somewhere [12:39] I did [12:39] hm [12:39] atleast I think I did [12:40] anyway, I'll give backporting to quantal a try when I get home or tomorrow [12:42] yofel: they bumped up prices on buyvm btw [12:42] it's 25 USD for a year now [12:43] for kvm, ovpenvz is 15 from what I see [12:44] oh yeah, for a moment I thought we had kvm [12:45] I wonder if KVM allows swapfiles, if yes that would be the better option [12:45] it does [12:45] ( from what I was told earlier ) [12:46] they're offering 50 GB's of additional space for 5 USD a month [12:46] I wonder if they'll take 12 USD and give me 10 GB's for a year [12:47] then taking the 2'nd KVM option with 30G and 256 ram is the better option [12:47] but that'll come out to 60 USD :P [12:48] depends on what you need [12:48] instead, with the openVZ + 10GB space, I only pay 27 USD :) [12:48] yeah, I already have a hefty build server :D [12:48] * yofel works around the transmission crashes by restarting it daily [12:49] I really wouldn't mind full 256M [12:52] shadeslayer, when can i expect beta2 for quantal ? [12:52] :> [12:52] yofel: I might upload it tonight [12:53] erm [12:53] soee: ^ [12:53] assuming 4.9.90 uploads fine [12:53] for raring [12:53] ah nice, sadly im only on my laptop during weekend :/ [12:53] then I'll hold off on that. I'll help with fixing later [12:53] so i can try tu update next monday [12:53] does the kubuntu-archive-upload script also bzr push? [12:53] or do I have to write a script to do that :P [12:55] that part is commented out, see bottom [12:55] shadeslayer: I think I'll start throwing up the packages for quantal now [12:56] ok [12:56] Hey all [12:56] it's better to do that seperately in case the script crashes [12:57] uhhhhh [12:58] good point [13:00] yofel: accessing tarballs through the LP API is slow :( [13:00] It looks like the 3.7 kernel definitely has seriuos HW recognition problems on my system.The install progress freezes about 2 secs in on both wireless and wired input devices, === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [13:02] so. fricking. slow [13:04] ok, not touching this thing for the next one hour [13:04] should be done by then [13:05] meh usb-creator isn't working on raring "An error occurred while talking to the udisks service." [13:05] heh [13:06] Riddell: mm i have another error [13:06] Riddell: type error ky18() [13:06] i mean on usb-creator-kde on raring [13:06] Riddell: Sebastian Trueg requested that we package plasmate in Kubuntu, and they're discussing about a release soonish, so I've added that as a task [13:07] they're in kdereview atm [13:07] it says even line 47 in module [13:07] we've looked at it and since there's no release concluded it wasn't ready to package [13:07] so he's got it the wrong way around [13:08] sure, but they're going to have a release soon [13:08] and if they don't we can nudge them to release it [13:13] Riddell: http://wklej.org/id/890343 [13:14] Peace-: that's even stranger [13:14] Peace-: what verson of python-kde4 do you have? [13:15] Riddell: i just upgrade on raring [13:15] but wait a moment [13:16] Riddell: mm seems it is not there [13:16] Riddell: fresh and clean installation of 13.04 [13:17] i did only update and upgrade [13:17] i mean sudo apt-get update etc [13:18] system says i have python-kde4 installed [13:20] Riddell: ii python-kde4 4:4.9.80-0ubuntu2 i386 Python bindings for the KDE Development Platform === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [13:21] Peace-: wait until 4.9.90 arrives and test then I guess [13:22] Riddell: ok :D no problem === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc [13:24] Riddell: btw there is a iso for arm ? rpi ? [13:24] :DDD [13:25] i mean of kubunut [13:26] Peace-: there's an image yes [13:26] but not for raspberry pi if that's what you're after [13:26] ah [13:27] tx :D [13:31] buttons on notifications are too small... :/ [13:45] cyphermox: hi, you asked me to remind about the quantal update :P === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:49] jussi: What did I do T_T [14:03] grrr [14:04] Riddell: kdegames haven't been uploaded to bzr [14:04] :( [14:04] causing : === Skipping kbounce, changelog invalid. [14:06] want to fix first? [14:06] let me see [14:07] http://paste.kde.org/621638/ [14:07] kbounce is in bzr [14:07] there's a few I'm finding which aren't packaged [14:07] but isn't updated to 4.9.90 maybe? [14:07] yeah it might need the version number fixed [14:08] dafuq http://paste.kde.org/621650/ [14:09] I have no idea what's gone on there [14:09] me neither [14:09] will fix manually [14:11] W: kdegraphics-thumbnailers source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 9) [14:13] Riddell: could you fix versioning in kdegames? [14:13] shadeslayer: mm ok [14:16] kdesdk has already been released? 0.o [14:18] fun : http://paste.kde.org/621662/ [14:20] shadeslayer: no kdesdk hasn't, just a changelog issue if it says it has [14:20] okay [14:20] shadeslayer: that trace is shopped off. (Or did it really crash there?) [14:20] *chopped [14:21] yofel: it really did crash there : http://paste.kde.org/621668/ [14:21] that's better. I guess some exception handling for parsing error would be nice... [14:22] *errors [14:22] mmmm [14:24] what do I do now @_@ [14:25] shadeslayer: done [14:25] thx :) [14:27] fix the problem in kmahjongg and retry. Preferably after fixing the script [14:27] heh [14:27] but I'm not sure what the problem is tbh :P [14:29] OH, the script fails when you have less than 2 changelog entries [14:29] ah [14:29] hmm [14:29] that's weird [14:30] not really, it parses all versions out of the changelog and compares the last 2 [14:30] if there's less than 2 then versions[1] is null [14:30] I see [14:32] I'm not quite sure why it checks the 2nd entry though [14:33] that's what I'm thinking as well [14:33] debfx: ^ [14:41] well .. .this is weird [14:41] http://paste.kde.org/621680 < says W: kdegraphics-thumbnailers source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 9) [14:42] oh [14:42] typo [14:45] maybe I can get away with just looking ath the last version? :P [14:45] no luck with the mini.iso either , it freezes as well ...tried the 12.10 alternate install and it starts and appears to work ok , I stopped it at the partitioning phase , so the cdrom isn't to blame [14:46] I guess 13 is no longer my lucky number :) [15:11] hmph [15:12] yofel: there's no way to count the number of objects in a list? [15:12] in python [15:12] len() should do it? [15:12] ah k [15:12] * yofel is guessing right now [15:13] yeah, len [15:14] heh, with all the post-4.9.4 fixes we'll now get 4.9.5 after all [15:16] yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621686/ [15:16] just a workaround for now [15:16] please do check if the version is correct... [15:16] ah yes [15:16] will add check [15:16] otherwise fine [15:25] ohkay [15:26] Riddell: you already uploaded quantal ? :P [15:29] shadeslayer: yeah [15:31] heh [15:31] yofel: we can just call : if not version in versions [15:31] would automatically check [15:31] indeed (as long it's not supposed to only check in the first 2) [15:32] but I can't think of a reason why that would be the case [15:33] I'm getting this now : === Skipping bomber, changelog invalid. [15:33] :| [15:34] and if I do : if version not in versions[0] that gives me : === Package differs from PPA, skipping bomber. [15:35] does it differ? I think the script doesn't support bzr-only changes that aren't in the PPA [15:35] * Peace- snowing [15:36] here too ^^ [15:36] yofel: where ? [15:36] Stuttgart, southwest germany [15:36] afaik it should be the same [15:36] italy verona yofel :P [15:36] but lets check [15:37] thinking about that check: it looks if the first entry is wrong, and if the 2nd entry matches and then barfs [15:37] so another way to resolve this would be: [15:37] heh [15:37] hm, no [15:41] aha [15:42] yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621704/ [15:42] that's why [15:42] someone needs to upload all the kdegames again from bzr :P [15:42] fun [15:43] does it really need to be libkdegames >= 4.9.90? [15:43] or does libkdegames not have a symbols file? [15:44] considering how savy we are on SRU updates, adding a symbols file to libkdegames and dropping the >= would be easier [15:44] hm. or we update that manually and leave it out from the auto-replace magic in initial-upload [15:45] we do have symbols there [15:46] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdegames/view/head:/debian/libkdegamesprivate1.symbols [15:46] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkdegames/view/head:/debian/libkdegames6.symbols as well [15:47] Riddell: would you do the honours? since you probably have all of that scripted :P [15:47] good. Then it would probably make more sense to use the ABI manager than a strict version dependency [15:47] same goes for the other libs actually, it was annoying to change the deps for 4.9.4 [15:48] shadeslayer: for which? [15:48] kdegames [15:48] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/621704/ [15:48] the packages in the PPA are different from the ones in bzr [15:49] didn't I just do all those? [15:50] well ... you uploaded the stuff to bzr right? [15:50] now the packaging is completely different :P [15:51] bzr is libkdegames-dev (>= 4:4.9.90) [15:51] that's what should be uploaded to the archive [15:51] the PPA isn't [15:51] causing issues with the script [15:52] shadeslayer: if you're bored, copy the diff-check from initia-upload over. It would be nice if one could override this [15:52] heh [15:52] on a per-case basis [15:55] yofel: looking [15:56] it's line 215ff === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [15:59] hmm [16:06] yofel: I don't see how we can override this [16:06] unless I'm missing something [16:08] in kubuntu-archive-upload line 153ff integrate the user-interaction part from kubuntu-initial-upload [16:09] at the end it currently calls 'continue' there which skips the upload, so let the user decide whether it should upload or not on that point [16:09] right [16:09] but that's my question, how do you make bzr-buildpackage use the packaging from bzr instead of the one from the PPA [16:10] huh? the whole point of bzr-buildpackage is to build from bzr. [16:10] Now I'm missing something... [16:10] ah, nvm [16:10] understood [16:15] yofel: http://paste.kde.org/621716/ [16:15] erm, ignore line 3 [16:17] it would actually be nice if it would really show the diff, now you don't know what the diff is [16:17] i.e. add: [16:17] p = subprocess.Popen(["less"], stdin=subprocess.PIPE) [16:17] p.communicate("Package: %s\n\n=== diffstat ===\n\n%s\n\n=== diff ===\n\n%s" % (package, diffstat, diff)) [16:17] using the right objects [16:17] hmm [16:18] there's p = subprocess.Popen(["diffstat", "-l", "-p1"], stdin=subprocess.PIPE, stdout=subprocess.PIPE) [16:19] oh oh [16:19] * shadeslayer tries something [16:19] just look at what initial-upload does. it already works there [16:19] right [16:25] wohoo, we have diff stat functionality [16:26] cyphermox: we just found out it didn't worked, I think it was something left from the cinnamon session, but lamarque is not online now to help debugin.. [16:28] kimpanel broken as usual [16:30] Quintasan: fix it fix it [16:30] how about no? [16:30] fix it x 100 [16:30] how about I have no idea why are we even working with ibus [16:30] Quintasan: I'm getting you business cards [16:30] あああああ [16:30] does that not mean a thing to you! [16:30] Okay, so the default ibus-setup works [16:31] but getting kimpanel to work [16:31] is like [16:31] urgh [16:32] I believe the package itself is broken [16:32] not sure what is broken [16:39] ohahaha [16:39] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do [16:39] hmmm [16:43] ScottK: Is kimpanel supposed to work normally in quantal? [16:43] yofel: I'm not sure, but any ideas what this is : http://paste.kde.org/621740/ [16:44] diff probably doesn't like broken symlinks [16:44] hmm [16:44] I've removed kde-workspace, looking at it manually [16:46] * yofel makes his way home - bbl [16:49] cya === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [16:56] god damnit [16:56] if len(diffstatLines) > 1 or diffstatLines[0] != "debian/changelog": [16:56] IndexError: list index out of range [16:56] \o/ [16:56] thank you python [17:10] I'd like to believe i got kimpanel working [17:13] ScottK: Keep your fingers crossed as I might have got it working in Quantal [17:22] ... [17:23] shadeslayer: any idea why postinst and postrm scripts are getting ignored? [17:23] uhhhh [17:23] Quintasan: are they being ignored or do they crash? [17:24] and iirc dpkg can only run sh scripts, not bash scripts [17:24] ARGH [17:25] Y U DON'T WORK KIMPANEL [17:25] あああ [17:25] hmm [17:25] HMMMMMMMMMM [17:25] this is retarded [17:26] and maybe they work [17:26] mmkay [17:26] just don't do the things that you want [17:27] this shit is sh [17:27] http://paste.kde.org/621764 [17:28] hmm looks ok [17:28] whatever [17:28] I'm not sure we need this [17:29] lemme try it other way [17:33] shadeslayer: What I dislike about rekonq it is it's inability to rembember which pages I had opened [17:34] shadeslayer: I have Uni activity [17:34] and at desktop 2 I want to have rekonq open with wolfram alpha [17:34] and on desktop 3 I want another window to be opened with tangorin.com [17:34] What I dislike about rekonq is that it has insane code in places [17:34] and my fixes get overwritten by broken code [17:35] yet when I restart the activity the rekonq on desktop 2 has some random webpage I opened in third window on the other activity [17:35] and rekonq on desktop 3 has no tabs open at all [17:35] yeah iirc that's some bug [17:35] it's on bugzilla [17:36] waiting to be fixed [17:36] I believe nonkde apps won't be able to handle activities properly [17:36] Which renders it useless T_T [17:37] dafuq http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/07/plasma-desktoplm2140.png [17:38] HRRRRr [17:39] okay [17:40] I have absloutely no idea how to fix this in packaging [17:40] shadeslayer: Say, I have the kimpanel added [17:40] hmm executing the lib manually works [17:40] so something weird here [17:40] ibus is not started so shortcuts to enable ims don't work [17:41] when you invoke ibus-deamon you get the shortcuts alongside GTK gui [17:41] i.e this http://i.imgur.com/eGRmA.png [17:42] okay [17:42] the kimpanel looks like http://i.imgur.com/kGIJX.png [17:43] Quintasan: no point in showing me, I wouldn't know to fix it :P [17:43] wait [17:43] okay [17:43] I know how to get this shit working but not how packaging wise [17:43] now if you kill the ibus-deamon [17:44] and invoke [17:44] ibus-daemon -dx --panel=/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kimpanel-ibus-panel [17:44] http://i.imgur.com/9qlJi.png [17:44] tadam [17:46] ばか! [17:46] so it work [17:46] s [17:46] hmm [17:47] so in other words [17:47] We need to invoke it right after plasma-widget-kimpanel is installed and everytime after reboot occurs [17:48] uhhh [17:48] That way kimpanel WILL work but the initial configuration of input methods is still left to user [17:48] because [17:48] the ibus input methods list is empty after install [17:48] http://i.imgur.com/7RG65.png [17:48] like this [17:49] I see [17:49] and you need to add the input method your self [17:49] http://i.imgur.com/FkNwg.png [17:49] Quintasan: so write a upstart script? [17:49] and then call it post-inst [17:49] in my case it was anthy since I'm interested in japanese input [17:51] there was this guy on our ML who apparently fixed it [17:51] http://paste.kde.org/621782 - 3) ok, but the others don't look right [17:51] * yofel puts updating meta on todo list [17:51] but what he was doing was installing kimpanel-ibus-panel.desktop: http://paste.kde.org/621788 -> /etc/xdg/autostart/ [17:52] that didn't work [17:52] he also copied debian/xinput/ibus-kde:http://paste.kde.org/621794 but I have NO idea how that works [17:54] debian/xinput/ibus-kde -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ [17:54] whaaa [17:55] yofel: meta? [17:55] oh [17:55] we'll need refreshed meta packages [17:55] as in kubuntu-desktop? [17:55] right [17:55] no, kde-meta. At least *I* use kde-full [17:55] hehe :P [17:55] and that does not install full kde currently [17:55] right [17:55] * yofel fixes kajongg in the meanwhile [17:57] yofel: btw do you know why we checked for debian/changelog in line 153? [17:57] brb, dinner [17:57] k [17:57] oh hmm [17:58] entirely possible that first line is not changelog but some other thing [17:58] like cantor.install [17:58] or sth [18:07] yofel: can you also fix E: kshisen source: version-substvar-for-external-package kshisen -> kdegames-mahjongg-data [18:07] I've skipped it for now === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [18:09] sure [18:09] o.O [18:09] yeah, the check is weird [18:09] W: ktouch source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 22: Cannot parse line "Copyright 2004 by Marc Heyvaert (marc_heyvaert AT yahoo DOT com)" [18:10] just don't fix it right now [18:10] might screw up bzr or sth [18:10] it's at libkcddb [18:10] I already fixed kajongg [18:11] drat [18:11] uploaded right now, so maybe it'll be accepted fast enough [18:11] W: libkdeedu source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 6) [18:11] unless that doesn't matter [18:11] dunno [18:11] I think kajongg was done about 20 minutes ago [18:12] this script needs to be multi threaded :P [18:13] but then there's no such thing as multiple threads in python [18:15] well, there is a thread module. But I've never used it. Probably something based on the C one [18:20] W: perlqt source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright copyright (paragraph at line 5) [18:24] oh god, now I get to sign everything [18:24] yay [18:35] bzr pushing btw [18:36] yofel: Now in kajongg [18:36] bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information. [18:39] oh, you're pushing changes on your side and I already pushed mine [18:39] right [18:43] okay that should be it [18:43] all branches pushed [18:43] still waiting for signing to complete [18:54] should I skip marble for now? [18:54] or upload it anyway? [18:54] same for kdesdk [18:54] ( both broke ABI ) [19:00] if there's no solution planned upstream use the ABI manager and be done [19:01] all the new games get rejected [19:01] because I don't have upload rights [19:06] okay, I just uploaded at the wrong time I think, only 3 builders for amd64 and 1 for i386 [19:06] everything else is disabled [19:08] that doesn't look good considering it's friday [19:08] :P [19:08] well ok, it's still work hours in the US [19:09] the buildd's are on a holiday, even they need a break [19:20] all done [19:22] Riddell: whatever happened to my shirt? [19:56] shadeslayer: on side note, how will the business cards look like? [21:08] Quintasan: Yes. [21:09] Riddell: To clarify from the backscroll - I did put a block in place to keep kde4libs (and thus the rest of 4.9.90) from transitioning before we are ready. [21:15] ping danimo [21:21] shadeslayer: on side note, how will the business cards look like? [21:31] rbelem: pong [21:32] apachelogger: I timed how long it took to make the touchpad configuration thingy open up on a Windows machine today and it was 8 seconds (or about that, I got bored and distracted waiting). Even with the time to start the Python interpreter, we do a pretty good job in comparison. [21:45] shadeslayer: did you ever work out the symbol issues in marble etc before uploading? [21:46] libmarblewidget15.symbols is still from 4.9.80 from what I see [21:48] yofel: it's ABI breakage [21:48] I e-mailed their mailing list but they haven't said anything [21:49] sure, but if we put it in the archive in the current state, we need to rebuild the rdeps or things WILL break [21:52] hm, seems he didn't upload, good [21:52] Isn't this kind of situation why we have the Debian ABI manager? [21:53] sure, it's just that with some packages still broken, some uploaded, and bzr showing pretty much all as uploaded it's a bit hard to figure out what a package's situation is [21:53] ScottK: I like to give upstream a chance to do the right thing and revert or bump the soname [21:53] OK. [21:54] Riddell: me too - that's what the release embargo is for, but now it's just holding us up. If they fix it we can remove the abi manager later [22:00] Maybe use ~abi0 [22:05] would work as long as we have a guarantee that upstream will fix it. [22:06] I'll work on the backports for now, it's not an issue there [22:56] ScottK: I wonder if windows is the thing we should measure against ^^ [22:56] but yeah, windows is of course inferior in a lot of regards [23:01] apachelogger: Just a data point. [23:02] Actually after several hours on a Windows 7 machine today my entire Kubuntu experience feels lightning fast. [23:02] ^^ [23:02] windows 7 is quite bad in the performance department [23:02] windows 8 improved a lot there IMHO [23:03] Dunno. This wasn't a situation where I had a choice. [23:07] apachelogger: does the speed increase of windows 8 compensate the increased time it takes to get to things? [23:08] fud alert :P [23:08] I had to use windows 8 for a few hours a few days ago. Sure you get used to it, but it feels kinda clumsy on a notebook [23:08] it's like krunner really [23:53] for the record, we have no spyware in our kubuntu flavor, correct? [23:54] re: shadeslayer's link [23:54] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do [23:54] lol [23:57] we certainly don't have that shopping lens in kubuntu, so unless Amarok sends info about you when you search for songs on amazon we should be fine