[01:35] <phunyguy> So I am trying out Kubuntu 12.10 again, and I noticed that KDE IM Contacts has replaced Kopete... It also doesn't seem to have IRC support.  Is there a package to install for it?
[01:38] <captain> I think Konversation is fine
[01:38] <phunyguy> Maybe so, but that is your choice.  :)
[03:21] <unheeding> does everyone else have an "accessories" submenu in there applications menu?
[03:21] <unheeding> *their
[03:23] <unheeding> anyone?
[03:23] <unheeding> bueller?
[03:41] <unheeding> anybody here/
[03:42] <saket> i am
[03:43] <unheeding> saket
[03:43] <unheeding> argh
[03:53] <phunyguy_t430s> unheeding: I missed your question.  did you ask one?
[03:53] <unheeding> does kubuntu have an "accessories" submenu in the k-menu?
[03:53] <unheeding> i think i found the answer: no
[03:58] <stone_> ？
[03:59] <unheeding> stone_: !
[04:02] <stone_> hello，i am a new one .
[05:31] <phunyguy_t430s> does Kubuntu 12.10 have some sort of groupware client, like something that integrate with MS Exchange?
[07:49] <ussher_> does anyone know the alternative for the command line tool 'top' that also shows multi-cores.  trying to search for 'top alternaive' doesnt really work in the search engines.
[07:49] <hateball> ussher_: you can just press '1' in top to show all the cores
[07:49] <hateball> ussher_: or do you perhaps mean something like htop ?
[07:50] <ussher_> perfect, htop is the one
[07:50] <ussher_> cheers hateball
[08:18] <Fuzzles272> whould the steam for linux work on kubuntu?
[08:19] <Smurphy> Yes it does. Have it here. Make sure that you disable acceleration in case Full screen apps are run, and you have the fastest ever Steam experience.
[08:19] <Fuzzles272> how do i disable this?
[08:20] <Smurphy> I'm in the Steam Linux Beta programm, and so far - I just hit the Bug of Serious Sam (1FPS). The rest works.
[08:20] <hateball> Smurphy: Have they released any more free things? Last I checked it was only TF2
[08:20] <hateball> Don't really feel like shelling out a bunch of cash to beta-test
[08:20] <Smurphy> System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced -> Suspend desktop effects for fullscreen windows.
[08:21] <Smurphy> hateball: Guess it's only TF2 - but I do own quite a bunch of stuff that also runs on Linux and is avail on Steam.
[08:22] <hateball> Smurphy: Ah, so if you buy something for OtherOs you are free to use on Linux too?
[08:22] <hateball> This is quite !ot I suppose
[08:22] <Fuzzles272> ok thanks is kde still slow and bloated im running it now on a dell studio laptop dont no if its improved since i last tried it
[08:24] <hateball> It's hardly slow and bloated on somewhat modern hardware
[08:24] <Smurphy> hateball: Yes.
[08:24] <hateball> If you expect to run it on a P3 with 512... then you're not going to have a pleasant experience
[08:25] <Smurphy> If you have a Windows version of Serious Sam, you can run it under linux too, or Mac Os X if the code/port exists.
[08:25] <Fuzzles272> im running it on an i3 with 3 GB? i just wan tto run steam dn the games smoothly
[08:25] <hateball> Sounds plenty to me
[08:26] <Smurphy> That should e fine.
[08:26] <hateball> For games, the GPU will matter as well. If you're using the onboard 3000 chip... that wont be fun. I have that on one machine
[08:26] <Fuzzles272> ok, another question i added the kubuntu backports on 12.04 and everytime the applications update the muon suite has to be reinstalled ?
[08:28] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: Nope. Not every tme.
[08:28] <Smurphy> time
[08:28] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: ive had to :(
[08:30] <Smurphy> Works nice here ... Don't have an issue ...
[08:32] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: ok what are your guys view on the whole unity thing?
[08:32] <Smurphy> I don't use it.
[08:32] <Smurphy> slow hog, using gnome apps too... It'=s not clean enough
[08:33] <Fuzzles272> slow hog? really whats wrong with gnome apps?
[08:35] <Smurphy> When KDE first came out, the developers decided to use the Qt library for one simple reason: To all use the same Widget Library, for the same look and feel etc.
[08:36] <Smurphy> Then Came Miguel and said -= we can do it better. Created gnome with some folks, and they decided to use the gtk/gtk+ widget sets uase by gimp at that time.
[08:36] <Smurphy> Problem was - that eveyr developer used his own version of gtk/gtk+ library, and other libraries and did not stick to a same base.
[08:37] <Smurphy> This resulted in a standard Gnome installation requiring 20 different gtk/gtk+ libraries just to run ... and that - IMHO s*cks ....
[08:37] <Smurphy> reason I refuse to actually look at it until they have not fixed that part -> decide the use the same base libraries. Period.
[08:37] <Fuzzles272> ye i dont see that changing tbh
[08:40] <Fuzzles272> is there a way to revert back to the kde version adn applications that are stuck with 12.04 before i did the updates of the kubuntu backports? or is a reinstalled needed?
[08:44] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: Actually - I am using 12.10 with backports enabled, and do not have any issues.
[08:44] <Smurphy> What you will have to do - is to remove the kde-desktop alltogether, the disable the backport repository, then reinstall kde-desktop components again.
[08:44] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: in the meny additional drivers program is missing too
[08:45] <Smurphy> it is called jokey.
[08:45] <Smurphy> -> jockey-kde
[08:46] <yofel_> ppa-purge can be used to remove a PPA and the packages that came from it.
[08:46] <Smurphy> !ask joceky-kde
[08:46] <Fuzzles272> whats called jockey?
[08:46] <Smurphy> yofel: Cool. didn't know that one :)
[08:47] <Smurphy> it is the additional driver GUI interface. You can also invoque it on the console: jockey-text
[08:47] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: well its missing :S
[08:49] <Smurphy> check if kde-desktop is installed
[08:49] <Smurphy> or - kde-standard ;)
[08:49] <yofel> Fuzzles272: btw. could you pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log somewhere? muon really shouldn't be removed on update
[08:51] <Smurphy> Shit - sorry. It is called: kubuntu-desktop
[08:51] <Smurphy> make sure that one is installed. it will make sure that an entire set of applications will be kept up to date.
[08:51] <Fuzzles272> yofel: http://pastebin.com/dFsxVRME
[08:52] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: i only see kubuntu-standard is that it?
[08:53] <yofel> thanks
[08:53] <yofel> no, kubuntu-desktop is the right one
[08:54] <Smurphy> kubuntu-desktop ...
[08:54] <Fuzzles272> thats not installed :S but i installed through the cd :S
[08:54] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: make an: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:55] <yofel> it was probably removed at some point (which shouldn't happen either)
[08:55] <Fuzzles272> so if i install that my muon suite and driver manager will stay?
[08:58] <Smurphy> it shoudl. It will trigger the dependencies ...
[08:59] <Fuzzles272> ok thanks i hope it fixes dont no how it was uninstalled :S what do the kubuntu backports actually do?
[08:59] <Fuzzles272> without soundng like a newbie as i used to use ubuntu but got sick of unity and always liked the look of kde
[09:00] <yofel> they provide a newer KDE release and a few other application updates
[09:01] <Fuzzles272> ok thanks how do i refresh the kickoff lancher because it doesnt always show new instakked programs
[09:02] <yofel> try to run 'kbuildsycoca4' which will force a kde system cache update if it didn't pick them up
[09:02] <Fuzzles272> thanks mate
[09:03] <Fuzzles272> for steam do i need to install any different drivers or not?
[09:04] <Blacklist> Fuzzles272, no is same drivers
[09:04] <Fuzzles272> Blacklist: thanks
[09:08] <CosmicB> is there no kubuntu alternate cdimage available ?
[09:08] <yofel> not for 12.10+
[09:09] <yofel> you'll have to use the mini.iso or ubuntu-server install and go from there if you need the alternate installer
[09:09] <CosmicB> ah, ok
[09:09] <CosmicB> anybody know if the desktop installer supports lvm, software raid and so on now ? I've been using the alternate installer for years because of this
[09:10] <yofel> lvm with encryption yes but I think not RAID yet
[09:10] <CosmicB> yofel: ah, ok thnx. I can live without software raid, since it's my laptop and it only got 1 disk :p
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> hello, I get this error while trying to copy a folder with it's contents from an FTP locations in dolphin: "Could not connect to host ftp.something.ro. Reason: 421 There are too many connections from your internet address."
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> If I use nautilus everything works fine
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> forgot to mention, I'm copying from ftp to local
[10:37] <Smurphy> as it said it. too many connection attempts from your IP.
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> from where?
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> from just trying to copy a folder?
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> there are no other connections from my computer to any other server
[10:39] <ovidiu-florin> none that I've made
[10:39] <Smurphy> probably the client you use is parallelizing the request.
[10:40] <ovidiu-florin> I'm using dolphin
[10:42] <Smurphy> yes. Can happen. it is very efficient ...
[10:42] <ovidiu-florin> I don't understand
[10:48] <vitimiti> (·.·)/
[10:50] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: it means it creates a new connection for the file transfer
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin> hateball: a new connection for each file?
[10:52] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: not impossible, I'm not familiar with how dolphin works with FTP
[10:52] <hateball> It's quite common behavior tho
[10:52] <ovidiu-florin> where can I find the source code for dolphin?
[10:54] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: apt-get source dolphin
[10:54] <hateball> ovidiu-florin: it will pull in quite a bit more tho
[10:54] <hateball> but there it is
[10:56] <jonah> hi does anyone know how to get flash player to use hdmi sound?
[10:56] <ovidiu-florin> hateball: thank you
[10:57] <ovidiu-florin> Guest67472: just set your main audio output on HDMI
[10:57] <Guest67472> ovidiu-florin: where do i do this, tried in phonon but that doesn't seem to give me sound on the tv from flash
[10:58] <ovidiu-florin> Select Audio playback on the left, and on the right prefer your HDMI sound board
[10:59] <ovidiu-florin> jonah_: Select Audio playback on the left, and on the right prefer your HDMI sound board
[11:01] <jonah_> ovidiu-florin: ha thanks it's working now
[11:25] <vitimiti> I installed kubuntu in a laptop, but without the battery, so I had to add the applet afterwards, is there any way to insert it in the system tray?
[11:32] <ewgen> hi to all
[11:33] <ewgen> кто может ответить на пару вопросов про установку багзиллы?
[11:33] <bazhang> !ru | ewgen
[11:34] <ewgen>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[11:38] <jolo1234> hey i have xp - Kubuntu dual boot, but how do i get into my pc bios now?
[11:41] <Peace-> jolo1234: ...
[11:42] <Peace-> jolo1234: i mean when you will load your computer it will says something like type f10 or canc or f12 or some other stuff to enter in the bios
[11:43] <jolo1234> yea that doesn't come up anymore
[11:44] <Peace-> jolo1234: this is not due to kubuntu
[11:45] <Peace-> kubuntu will load after the boot
[11:45] <Peace-> after the boot will load the boot manager
[11:45] <Peace-> and then you will get kubuntu
[11:46] <jolo1234> mine just goes straight to select windows or kubuntu
[11:49] <Peace-> jolo1234: mmm make a video
[11:49] <Peace-> you could get a combination
[11:50] <jolo1234> i will b back later today i have work
[12:14] <blueapple> hi
[12:15] <Smurphy> jo
[12:20] <blu_> Ciao
[12:21] <blu_> !list
[12:38] <blueapple> ....
[12:39] <Smurphy> ;;;;
[12:39] <blueapple> are you human?
[12:40] <Smurphy> .oO(TuringTestStart)
[12:40] <Smurphy> Why do you say I'm human ?
[12:44] <blueapple> oh
[12:44] <blueapple> Are you chinese?
[12:45] <tsimpson> you fail, the correct response is "Do you think I'm human?"
[12:45] <blueapple> ....
[12:48] <Peace-> tsimpson: :))
[12:49] <blueapple> what your use chat soft?
[12:49] <blueapple> pidgin ?
[12:50] <tsimpson> quassel
[12:50] <Peace-> konversation
[12:51] <Peace-> cuz k is better lol
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:19] <Smurphy> :}
[13:19]  * Smurphy is human. Just had lunch ... acually
[13:19] <voltagex> hey, just testing out the 13 alpha - hv_storvsc module is crashing in the installer
[13:21] <Peace-> voltagex: tried daily build ?
[13:21] <Peace-> voltagex: or ...
[13:21] <BluesKaj> voltagex, join #ubuntu+1 for 13.04 issues
[13:21] <voltagex> BluesKaj: thanks
[13:21] <voltagex> Peace-: URL?
[13:21] <Peace-> voltagex: wait
[13:21]  * voltagex waits
[13:22] <Peace-> voltagex: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[13:23] <voltagex> Peace-: no more jigdo :(
[13:23] <Peace-> voltagex: what?
[13:24] <voltagex> Peace-: you used to be able to use a jigdo file to construct a daily iso from a closer mirror but it looks like that option's gone
[13:24] <Peace-> ah
[13:25] <BluesKaj> I'm searching for the alternate install , was pulled or moved
[13:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i guess devs told me there is not anymore
[13:25] <Peace-> BluesKaj: or it's integrated in the live
[13:27] <BluesKaj> that's too bad because the livecd doesn't work on my HW
[13:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: use the minimal cd of ubuntu
[13:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: if you want install it ..
[13:27] <Peace-> then you do install kubuntu-desktop and you have done
[13:28] <BluesKaj> where is the minimal or even the net install
[13:31] <Peace-> BluesKaj: wait https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD here theare the stuff but i don't see 13.04
[13:33] <tsimpson> just replace quantal with raring in the link
[13:33] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/      this is 386
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Peace-, AMD64 here
[13:35] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[13:37] <X421> Hi. I can't access my touchpad settings, the system settings crash every time
[13:38] <X421> Any idea what i can do about that?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> thanks Peace- , I should have remembered that site
[13:42] <guyvdb> Hi, I am running 12.10. I am trying to get hplip working correctly with foo2zjs. When I print I get the following error in syslog. Any ideas?  colord-sane: io/hpmud/musb.c 2066: Invalid usb_open: Permission denied
[14:06] <Fuzzles272> need help get error update opengl when trying TF2 on steam
[14:09] <Smurphy> Fuzzles272: All you need to do is start jockey-kde, and install the "Beta" drivers.
[14:10] <Fuzzles272> Smurphy: how would i do that?
[14:10] <Smurphy> start the additional driver selection stuff ..
[14:10] <Fuzzles272> ye
[14:11] <Smurphy> an check what it says...
[14:12] <Smurphy> aqnd see if there are some Beta Drivers.
[14:12] <Smurphy> Which graphic chip do you have BTW ???
[14:13] <Fuzzles272> ati mobility radeon hd 4500 series
[14:14] <Smurphy> Hmmm... Dunno if there are special drivers for that one. on my Gaming computer - I have a NVidia GTX660Ti running.
[14:14] <Fuzzles272> no beta drivers have been listed
[14:15] <Fuzzles272> theres a post release update what ever that is
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Peace-, no luck with the mini either , same issue
[15:13] <phunyguy_t430s> So I am trying to find a good Gwibber alternative for KDE.... I found Chokoq but it doesn't supportFacebook like Gwibber does.  Any ideas?
[15:14] <Smurphy> facebook is banned on y firewall...
[15:16] <phunyguy_t430s> o.O
[15:18] <Smurphy> facebook, twitter, google-analytics... all poit to 127.0.0.1 on my DNS, and the major IP's are blocked on my firewall out-filter.
[15:18] <Smurphy> makes life much easier, safer, and intelligent.
[15:19] <phunyguy_t430s> aaah the old black hole trick
[15:19] <phunyguy_t430s> gets em every time.
[15:20] <phunyguy_t430s> I could do the same on my security box, just with a few check boxes.
[15:20] <phunyguy_t430s> but I'm not the only person behind it.
[15:20] <Smurphy> neither am I - but the other's don't use it either.
[15:20] <phunyguy_t430s> My wife is completely addicted to social media.
[15:21] <Smurphy> mine is not. We don't even have TV (Big screen ? yes, we watch loads of Movies. But only the ones _we_ choose)...
[15:21] <phunyguy_t430s> well excuse me, Mr Uppity.   :)
[15:22] <phunyguy_t430s> let me guess... you are vegetarian/vegan too...  ;)
[15:22] <phunyguy_t430s> these are the jokes!
[15:23] <Smurphy> nope. WE eat meat, and are both Online Gamers.
[15:23] <Smurphy> Thing is - we only accept Medias - where we actually do an active choice to do it.
[15:24] <phunyguy_t430s> us to... by changing the channel or not.
[15:26] <Smurphy> nope. Not the same. Yuo hav so much choice, that instead of makeing a definitive choice on what you will do, and out of laziness, you change channel - and get again BRainWashed by the next Social/Soap opera displayed an choosen by other people.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> oh Lord ... I'm brainwashed if I watch my fav TV shows , now :)
[15:29] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: full ACK ... :} This is the beginning of the decline of Humanity ...
[15:29] <Smurphy> Rome died too after all ...
[15:30] <Smurphy> Different program, but as stupid too ...
[15:30] <bazhang> !ot
[15:30] <Smurphy> I love the channel police... Always so helpfull when not needed. And when needed, so silent ... cause no knowledge about any topic ...
[15:31] <Smurphy> I know - Off topic again ... but it had to be said ... *brainwashed*
[15:31] <Smurphy> :]
[15:31] <bazhang> Smurphy, this is the wrong place for it
[15:31] <Smurphy> bazhang: As I said - I know. Your rant is as off topic as what we were discussing here.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Smurphy the decline began whgen tv was introduced , think i was 7 yrs old at the time  :)
[15:32] <phunyguy_t430s> so... does anyone have a /real/ answer to my question?
[15:33] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: :) Impressive you know so much though :)
[15:33] <Smurphy> phunyguy_t430s: not me. sorry.
[15:33] <phunyguy_t430s> now that it rolled off the screen due to !ot chat
[15:33] <Smurphy> :}
[15:34] <ugasai> yes I hssve a question
[15:34] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_t430s, not many Gwibber questions here ,, no experience with it
[15:36] <ugasai> in the system settings under locale I want to install the japanese language set but it wont let me tick input meathods of extra fots check box
[15:37] <ugasai> from what I understad this is a bug when might it be fixed?
[15:37] <ugasai> from the site is says it has been I think but still no luck
[15:38] <hateball> From which site?
[15:39]  * BluesKaj 's ancestors lived in Munster and moved to Sweden then to Finland , then we moved to Canada ... neat how that works :)
[15:39] <bazhang> ugasai, are you using ibus?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> oops wrong chat
[15:39] <ugasai> yes I am bazhang
[15:40] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: So you are European ... :}
[15:40] <bazhang> ugasai, let me check the bug tracker, is this kubuntu 12.10? 12.04
[15:40] <bazhang> Smurphy, thats enough.
[15:40] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, Canadian citizen
[15:40] <ugasai> umm 12.04
[15:43] <bazhang> Ibus needs additional packages to work with japanese, I found it working only after installing ibus-anthy and then adding Japanese in the iBus settings. See if this helps.   ugasai
[15:43] <ugasai> ok thanks I'll try that
[15:46] <bazhang> ugasai, after installation, you will need to restart ibus   (not the whole system, just ibus)
[15:49] <ugasai> hmm ok well I have I bus installed as of last night did a cold boot this morning and Ibus does have japanese listed but it's greyed out and won't let me choose
[15:49] <bazhang> ugasai, and which ibus packages do you have installed?
[15:51] <bazhang> ugasai, did you ever run the initial set up of ibus?
[15:51] <ugasai> what woul be the fastes way to look? (not too new to linux...but last I used it was Red Hat)
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> compositing type defaults to xrender even after chaning to opengl this is happening after upgrading to kde 4.9.4
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> using kubuntu 12.10
[15:52] <bazhang> ugasai, alt f2   ibus-setup
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> opening chromium browser crashes the system
[15:55] <ugasai> according to package mananger I have ibus cire ibus-qt4 ibus-anthy lib-ibus-qt1 python support universal input method widget shared library and im-config
[15:56] <bazhang> ugasai, great
[15:56] <bazhang> ugasai, now run ibus-setup
[15:56] <ugasai> ok
[15:57] <ugasai> done
[16:01] <bazhang> ugasai, and you set what languages to use, and the methods? then restarted ibus?
[16:04] <ugasai> yes
[16:05] <bazhang> ugasai, and whats the hotkey combo to switch?
[16:06] <ugasai> Control+space; Zenkaku_Hankaku; Alt+Kanji; Alt+grave; Hangul; Alt+Release+Alt_R
[16:06] <bazhang> ok
[16:06] <bazhang> is that working?
[16:07] <ugasai> no
[16:07] <bazhang> ugasai, what are you using it with? a browser? a text editor? or what
[16:08] <ugasai> libre writer 3.5.4.2 build:2
[16:10] <phoenix_firebrd> is it safe to delete the contents of /var/tmp/                 ?
[16:13] <bazhang> ugasai, just loading libreoffice here to test
[16:16] <ugasai> I understand
[16:33] <bazhang> http://academicallychallenged.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/writing-in-japanese-in-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-12-04/  ugasai
[16:33] <c_smith> Hi, what is the command to lock the screen in KDE 4.9?
[16:36] <phunyguy_t430s_> ok another question.  I see in network-manager, there is an option for OpenVPN.  I got the connection working, and checked the box that says "connect automatically", however when I connect to the internet, it doesn't connect the VPN automatically.  Is there a fix aside from running openvpn as a service?
[16:40] <phunyguy_t430s_> test
[16:41] <phunyguy_t430s_> am I still visible?
[16:41] <c_smith> phunyguy_t430s_, yep
[16:42] <phunyguy_t430s_> kk
[16:42] <phunyguy_t430s_> messing with the network settings.
[16:42] <yofel> c_smith: I'm on 4.10 beta1 so there's a chance this is wrong thanks to the new screenlocker, but try: qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock
[16:42] <phunyguy_t430s_> may have to run a custom keepalive script, which checks if I am home (is my router pingable), if not, send nmcli command to bring up the VPN
[16:43] <phunyguy_t430s_> and set proxy stuff.
[16:50] <rickycezar> D ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)
[16:51] <rickycezar> D ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[16:52] <phunyguy_t430s_> that was actually pretty cool... but still offtopic.
[16:53] <Guest54150> test
[17:36] <minuteman> #centos
[17:37] <phunyguy_t430s_> fail.
[19:04] <ugasai> bazhang you still there? sorry got caught up in something I still can't use is
[19:06] <ugasai> one site I did find said to check the input methods box and extra fonts when installing the language but I can not check them
[19:07] <ugasai> that is installing the language in system settings under systemsettings
[19:07] <ugasai> err system languges
[20:05] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[20:20] <phunyguy_work> ok what am I missing.... I am using networkmanager-openvpn and the connection works fine except for one thing.  I am trying to get it to make that connection the default route.
[20:21] <phunyguy_work> I found the checkbox for "use only for resources on this network", but that didnt change anything.  On the server it is set as well to use it as the default route.
[20:33] <bobbyva76> hello
[20:34] <bobbyva76> I was hoping someone could give me another opinion before i do a wipe and reinstall
[20:37] <bobbyva76> so does anyone care to give an opinion?
[20:37] <dougl> sure
[20:37] <dougl> what windows ver is it?
[20:37] <dougl> wipe it anyway
[20:37] <bobbyva76> i have recently installed 12.10 ubuntu
[20:38] <dougl> lol - just kidding :)
[20:38] <bobbyva76> everything was recognized and ur right
[20:38] <dougl> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[20:38] <dougl> ubuntu with no kde really sucks in my opinion...
[20:39] <dougl> I hate the new ubuntu.
[20:39] <bobbyva76> ubuntu but i took all the ubuntu stuff out and am running kde
[20:39] <dougl> ok
[20:39] <bobbyva76> the issue is compiz doesnt work and i keep getting errors for the system and compiz
[20:40] <bobbyva76> the system seems fine but the back end i get errors on boot and the system throws a crash error up every now and then
[20:41] <dougl> if ya got nothing to lose... sec, you have no effects working?
[20:41] <bobbyva76> i was hoping for an easy fix but it is a new install so i wont lose anything. all data is on another drive
[20:42] <yofel> the question would be rather why you're running compiz in kde? Any special reason why you're not using kwin?
[20:42] <bobbyva76> just not familiar with it
[20:42] <bobbyva76> more familiar with gnome and afterstep
[20:44] <bobbyva76> i have to go get my son from school i will be back. leaving screen up
[21:22] <rn> alguien me lee?
[21:23] <dougl>  alguien me lee??
[21:27] <rork> !pt | wild guess
[22:23] <spike_sfh> hey all new to Kubuntu where can I get free Book for the OS so I know what I am going lol
[22:31] <netrunner_> is there a way to disable the anoying KWallet crap ? Why can I just auto long in into my wireless without an added password step like in a normal system?
[22:33] <netrunner_> WHo comes up with these stupid ideas!!!
[22:33] <netrunner_> ???
[22:40] <zer0f1ll> any way to get KDE to stop crashing?
[22:42] <netrunner_> no  get a mac I did and try linux on virtual machine Linux is not a finish OS its always being developed and it is never finished that's why it doesnt take off like Mac or Windows or Android
[22:43] <zer0f1ll> netrunner_: gnome works fine.
[22:43] <netrunner_> plus developers experiment with it and make up stuff like Kwallet and Konqueror
[22:44] <netrunner_> very stupid apps if you ask me who needs to waste money in konqueror when you got firefox or Kwallet when hello you have a fire wall!
[22:45] <zer0f1ll> netrunner_: kwallet is for storing sensitive information such as passwords. you'd still need to enter passwords without a firewall.
[22:47] <netrunner_> why do i need to long into kwallet to access my wireless network and I can get something else more useful to do that for me. Looks like KDE like to make poorly done applications no one needs
[22:47] <zer0f1ll> netrunner_: it's a gui sudo. you need root access to modify network interfaces.
[22:48] <netrunner_> still a silly dumb idea Gnome doesn't have it Mac doen't have it either nor does Windows
[22:49] <zer0f1ll> gnome has a gui sudo system as well.
[22:50] <SIR_Taco> netrunner_: either disable kwallet in your system settings (under "Account Details") or remove it entirely if you do not want it (package name: "kwalletmanager")
[22:51] <netrunner_> looks like the KDE team doesn't know aabout truecrypt
[22:51] <netrunner_> lol
[22:51] <zer0f1ll> but how to get it to stop crashing every two days? that's my question.
[22:52] <netrunner_> i bet they will invent ktcrypt so they can waste money and time like with kwallet and konqueror lol
[22:52] <SIR_Taco> also, a great way to get help is to not bitch and complain about how aweful everything is that you want help with
[22:53] <zer0f1ll> I'd submit a bug report when it happens, but that mechanism won't work once the window manager goes away.
[22:53] <netrunner_> Hey I do reviews I am not using linux cause its good heaven knows if i where you wouldn't be on a chat ha?
[22:53] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: how does it crash? becomes unresponsive? resets the computer?  restarts KDE?
[22:55] <netrunner_> Best advice only use linux on virtualbox always
[22:55] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: window manager goes away, all windows appear (if any were minimized), mouse still works, X still running, apps still running, focused window is the one in which the mouse is over, no new windows are created, desktop wallpaper right-click menu does work... no window decorations...  have to hard kill X from a console to bring it back up again.
[22:58] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: anything strange in your ~/.xsession-errors   file?
[23:00] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: lots of stuff in there, but no timestamps. what am I looking for?
[23:03] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: sorry, I meant right after it happens
[23:04] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: i'll copy it after the next crash.
[23:06] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: only other thing I can think of is running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde-workspace plasma-desktop
[23:07] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: wait, I found a .xsession-errors.old file
[23:08] <zer0f1ll> looks like it was created right before I re-started today.
[23:10] <zer0f1ll> what is QThread?
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: it's a QT programming call
[23:12] <zer0f1ll> ProcessControl: Application '/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub' stopped unexpected (Process crashed)
[23:15] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: nepomuk is part of the meta-data/file search database for KDE... you could try disabling it to see if it fixes the problem
[23:16] <SIR_Taco> all of the options for it are under System Settings -> Desktop Search
[23:18] <zer0f1ll> good idea, thx. will let u know how it goes in a few days.
[23:19] <SIR_Taco> good luck, hope you get it fixed
[23:22] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: how long does your gui run?
[23:23] <SIR_Taco> until I restart.... sometimes 6 months. Only time it crashes is when I'm fiddling with things I shouldn't be :)
[23:24] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: outstanding! wish I had that. my last install was pretty good. then i screwed it up and upgraded.
[23:25] <SIR_Taco> there's a solution out there for just about everything.... just a matter of finding it
[23:28] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: good way of thinking about it.
[23:31] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: so then the next question is: if the problem is nepomuk, how can it cause the window manager to crash? (it shouldn't be able to do that)
[23:35] <SIR_Taco> zer0f1ll: that's a good question... no it *shouldn't*... but it doesn't me it can't. Just a hypothesis to try out. Best thing is to reconfigure the workspace and desktop and if it crashes again make a copy of your .xsession-errors before restarting X and hopefully we can get a better understanding of what's going on
[23:36] <SIR_Taco> *me = mean
[23:36] <zer0f1ll> SIR_Taco: yaa, will try that.