[00:26] <greg-g> people who pre-flush toilets/urinals confuse and annoy me
[00:28] <rick_h_> lol
[00:30] <brousch> Spiders
[00:30] <brousch> They might be lurking in there
[04:03] <snap-l> greg-g: Fate Core ( a very cool Fudge-variant) just hit their stretch goal to make the released rules CC-licensed.
[04:03] <snap-l> They're shooting for just CC-BY so it doesn't enforce share-alike
[04:59] <greg-g> snap-l: cool
[11:50] <rick_h_> morning
[11:57] <brousch> yes
[11:57] <brousch> Damn google and their new community stuff
[11:57] <brousch> Now I have pages and communities to tend
[11:59] <rick_h_> ugh, this new pricing for google apps for your domwin is going to suck
[12:01] <brousch> Ut oh, I haven't seen that
[12:02] <rick_h_> couple of posts on HN about google apps stopping free signups and only one user on the 'free' tier
[12:08] <brousch> I don't think I use it for anything right now
[12:08] <brousch> Work already pays
[12:09] <rick_h_> Ah, I use it for my wife and I and our personal stuff, few other times when I needed an email setup for a domain I owned
[12:13] <brousch> In the past I used it for GRPUG
[12:17] <brousch> outtie
[12:42] <snap-l> GOod morning
[12:42] <rick_h_> morn
[12:42] <snap-l> rick_h_: How much for the domains pricing?
[12:43] <snap-l> apps for domains, rather
[12:43] <rick_h_> $50/user/yr
[12:44] <rick_h_> I just need to close down some I don't really use
[12:44] <snap-l> That's not outrageous, but it's $100 you probably didn't want to spend. :)
[12:44] <rick_h_> like I think I setup one for lococast
[12:44] <snap-l> Ah, didn't know that
[12:44] <rick_h_> right, I'll spend #100 for my wife and I, but I setup an account for my brother he never logged into
[12:44] <rick_h_> and I setup for a few other domains so they had an email addy and forarded them to my personal email
[12:44] <snap-l> Yeah, those are cheaper to just have mail forwarders
[12:45] <snap-l> I think most domain registrars will do that.
[12:45] <rick_h_> yea
[12:45] <rick_h_> it's all good, just going to have to clean house before I get a $400 bill from google
[12:45] <brousch> It looks like dumped all of mine except work about 6 months ago, so I'm all set
[12:45] <rick_h_> well :P to you
[12:46] <brousch> muahahaha
[12:48] <brousch> Hm, I think you can use a Google+ Page to create a community
[12:50] <brousch> snap-l: When you get a few minutes, see if you can switch to the ubuntu-mi page and then create the ubuntu-mi community as the page
[12:50] <rick_h_> so wtf does a 'community' get me?
[12:50] <rick_h_> I'm being spammed all day with it
[12:51] <rick_h_> there, created
[12:51] <rick_h_> heh, it needs some love from snap-l though to get the image and such
[12:52] <brousch> So for an existing group, it looks like you should use the page to create the community
[12:52] <snap-l> I can't create communities from a page
[12:52] <rick_h_> I did, on the left side
[12:52] <rick_h_> there's a new 'community' thing next to photos, etc
[12:52] <brousch> The creator is the owner. If you make it as your personal profile you become th owner
[12:53] <brousch> Ah, but you can promote members to owners, good
[12:55] <brousch> So since I am an owner of the ubuntu-mi page, I can now edit the ubuntu-mi community rick_h_ created
[12:55] <snap-l> I created one too.
[12:58] <snap-l> That's weird, it didn't send me an invite
[12:59] <snap-l> OK< I deleted RIck's community, and substituted my own. ;)
[13:00] <rick_h_> oh fine then
[13:00] <snap-l> Yeah, I suck
[13:01] <brousch> Heh.I was trying to add the logo to rick_h_'s and it was erroring
[13:26] <_stink_> rick_h_: according to http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/ , existing users of google apps won't see a change.  did you see anything else that makes you think you'll get a bill suddenly?
[13:26]  * brousch quickly signs up his 20 domains
[13:29] <rick_h_> _stink_: ah no, I just assumed end of year I'd have to straighten up for next year
[13:29] <rick_h_> _stink_: you doc reading person you :P
[13:29] <_stink_> hehe
[13:30] <_stink_> well you got me spooked, of course
[13:30] <_stink_> imagining telling my mom to abandon her email address, yikes
[13:31] <rick_h_> heh, well you'd just host it elsewhere and migrate the email over
[13:31] <rick_h_> the address wouldn't change
[13:32] <_stink_> well, she has like two others
[13:32] <_stink_> so i nthis case
[13:32] <_stink_> i *would* tell her to abandon it.
[13:32] <rick_h_> lol
[13:49] <snap-l> I swear, 6 ping pong balls, and Pixel would be golden
[13:52] <rick_h_> snap-l: lol that reads strange on twitter
[13:53] <rick_h_> careful with that auto blog->twitter feed
[13:53] <snap-l> Yeah, I think I might turn that off
[13:53] <snap-l> it works better on identi.ca
[13:55] <brousch> I used to do that, but the automated posts looked stupid so I stopped
[14:07] <snap-l> jcastro_: Dude, if Metallica became a cover band, I would be OK with that
[14:07] <jcastro_> heh
[14:07]  * snap-l is listening to Garage Inc.
[14:07] <jcastro_> yeah!
[14:07] <jcastro_> mercyful fate coverband
[14:07] <jcastro_> I would be ok with that
[14:07] <snap-l> Second disc, though
[14:09] <jcastro_> http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2011/01/metallica-and-justice-for-all-just-the-bass/
[14:09] <jcastro_> fyi found the isolated bass lines
[14:09] <snap-l> Ah, cool
[14:27] <jjesse> man i'm soo not looking forward to flying w/ completely blocked sinuses
[14:27] <jjesse> the change in pressure might cause my head to explode
[14:28] <rick_h_> ugh, last time I did that it took 2 days for my head to decompress. That was the most painful ear popping ever
[14:28] <rick_h_> ...but I'm sure it'll be peachy for you...my bad :P
[14:29] <jjesse> lol
[14:31] <snap-l> heh
[14:37] <jcastro_> snap-l: man, sadness is listening to the proper tracks, knowing I've been playing horrible transcriptions of what is really the rhythmb guitar for these songs.
[14:37] <jcastro_> now I listen to the real tracks and the real bass line is totally different
[14:58] <snap-l> jcastro_: Yeah, I've had the same thing with ghost notes and Neil Peart's drum tracks
[14:58] <snap-l> Watching him play has been rather revealing.
[14:58] <snap-l> and those are good recordings. ;)
[15:10] <jrwren> ouch https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[15:12] <brousch> rick_h_ is tracking my web searches?!
[15:13] <jrwren> yup. he is a spy. Harding, Rick harding, 007.
[15:13] <rick_h_> yep...I know what you...oh right you don't use unity/dash so nope
[15:13] <jrwren> that is an octal literal
[15:13] <rick_h_> 003 thank you very much. Much better number than 007
[15:13] <jrwren> dash? like /usr/bin/dash?
[15:13] <rick_h_> no, unity dash
[15:14] <jrwren> err, /bin/dash rather. ok, whew. everything in the default posix shell would be pretty bad.
[15:14] <rick_h_> that thingy that comes up when you press Mod4 for those default unity users
[15:14] <rick_h_> :P
[15:14] <brousch> Kubuntu will keep your prying eyes out of my fetishes
[15:14] <rick_h_> that's next. Hook into your locate/find commands
[15:14] <jrwren> mod4? is that the ubuntu key on my system76?
[15:14] <rick_h_> should be
[15:14] <rick_h_> meta, mod4, 'windows key'
[15:14] <jrwren> meta is different though, because ESC is usually meta.
[15:15] <jrwren> and ALT if you have the right TERM
[15:15] <rick_h_> well, 2 our of 3 ain't bad
[15:15] <jrwren> I think someone submitted a patch for find that makes it search inet
[15:35] <jrwren> i do question motive behind the inet search integration
[15:35] <jrwren> although I certainly don't agree with rms.
[15:40] <jrwren> Oh Snap http://sfy.co/bBpu #storify
[15:42] <brousch> I like jcastro_'s reply
[15:43] <jrwren> which?
[15:43] <jrwren> snap-l: ever listen to Balanescu Quartet ?
[15:44] <brousch> On the link you just posted
[15:44] <snap-l> Yeah, I love the "OMG, you have a sliver in your hand. Yeah, how's that wood plank up your ass doing?"
[15:44] <snap-l> jrwren: Not yet.
[15:46] <jrwren> OSX doesn't send my info anywhere. i can confirm this by sniffing packets.
[15:46] <jrwren> in this sense, OSX respects my privacy more than ubuntu ootb.
[15:49] <snap-l> It just doesn't respect your privacy once you start using it. ;)
[15:50] <snap-l> But yes, point taken.
[15:50] <jrwren> i don't see how it does not respect my privacy once I start using it.
[15:50] <jrwren> Now once I login to icloud... yup, all my data uploaded to them.
[15:50] <snap-l> iTunes recommendations
[15:50] <jrwren> that assumes I use itunes.
[15:51] <jrwren> and that is also an excellent point.
[15:51] <snap-l> If you're on a Mac and not using iTunes, you have more willpower than most
[15:51] <jrwren> i only use itunes ot sync my phone.
[15:51] <jrwren> i use squeeze to listen to music.
[15:51] <jrwren> I'm listening via squeeze right now :)
[15:51] <snap-l> Me too
[15:51] <jrwren> really great Leonard Cohen track.
[15:51] <snap-l> and publishing to Last.fm
[15:51] <jrwren> same
[18:09] <snap-l> I hate it when I discount an album just because the description doesn't say "metal"
[18:09] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/breaker
[18:09] <snap-l> I should know better
[18:10] <snap-l> Reminds me a lot of Die So Fluid
[18:10] <snap-l> with a little more grunge
[18:53] <rick_h_> wow http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/07/dropbox-guido-van-rossum-python/
[18:53] <jrwren> nice
[18:55] <brousch> whoa
[18:57] <widox> you gotta wonder what he's going to say about their existing code when he joins Dropbox
[18:58] <brousch> Makes me a bit more nervous about using Google App Engine
[18:58] <rick_h_> he got sick of you asking him for newer python on GAE and just quit
[18:58] <brousch> heh
[18:59] <brousch> they do move slow
[18:59] <brousch> I actually don't have anything running on GAE right now
[18:59] <brousch> Django pulled me away
[19:01] <jrwren> he has seen dropboxes code.
[19:02] <rick_h_> yea, I'm guessing he's gotten to see whatever he wants before signing
[19:09] <jrwren> no no.
[19:09] <jrwren> i mean years ago.
[19:09] <jrwren> he helped dropbox with some of their obfuscation stuff
[19:09] <jrwren> because yes, db is python, but they also don't want to just ship .py or .pyc
[19:12] <rick_h_> ah
[19:14] <jcastro_> yeah it like downloads itself on installation
[19:15] <jcastro_> and it's python but it's not like you can browse .dropbox-dist and check out the client
[19:48] <jrwren> would be sweet to use pypy to prejit x86 instructions and then ship that
[21:17] <jcastro_> haham hey greg-g, around?
[21:45] <greg-g> jcastro_: kinda, calling att now
[21:56] <jcastro_> http://i.imgur.com/5Ufm9.jpg
[21:56] <jcastro_> greg-g: I couldn't help it but think of AA
[22:01] <greg-g> hah, nice
[22:26] <jrwren> i'm over here fucking raging at autotools.
[22:27] <jrwren> i can feel my blood pressure rising.