[02:37] <smartboyhw> ttoine, did you get your membership?
[02:39] <smartboyhw> What the....Why they didn't approve it!?\
[02:50] <micahg> smartboyhw: it was made very clear in the meeting why it wasn't approved
[02:52] <holstein> yeah.. not a big deal... next time should be no problem
[02:58] <holstein> smartboyhw: YO
[02:59] <smartboyhw> holstein, YO
[02:59]  * smartboyhw is trying to see whether linux-rt 3 6.9-rt21 works on quantal
[02:59] <holstein> smartboyhw: nice... let us know
[03:00] <smartboyhw> holstein, :D compiled the source already
[03:00] <holstein> i have a PPA from the xubuntu team for some dual head stuff i want to check out on my 12.10 test partition soon
[03:40] <smartboyhw> Good morning len-dt BTW:P
[03:40] <Len-nb> GM how are you?
[03:41] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, fine:D
[03:43]  * smartboyhw is still uploading the 3.6.9-rt21 kernel to his website
[03:48] <Len-nb> The 3.* series kernels seem to be poorer for low latency work. Audio is not the only use for RT and some of the other uses are throughput centric.
[03:48] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, I do agree
[03:48] <Len-nb> In fact it may not be the kernel itself, but some of the modules.
[03:48] <smartboyhw> Trying to compare the diffs
[08:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, you are correct. There is a script specialized to automate the update process. It is in the git branch's ./debian.lowlatency/etc/update-from-master file.
[08:52] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm aware of the script, yes
[08:53] <smartboyhw> Ouch
[08:53] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW how are ya today?
[08:53] <zequence> smartboyhw: A bit tired. Was up late last night. How are you?
[08:53] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[08:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW you got that "Ubuntu Studio Community" invitation?
[09:08] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yeah. Seems like Google did an update to their services. Also, Youtube has changed
[09:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, Google big change:D
[10:03] <ttoine> hello
[10:05] <smartboyhw> Hi ttoine 
[11:56] <ttoine> zequence, is there a problem with the raringblueprintscategories page ?
[11:59] <zequence> ttoine: Nope. I split the blueprints into two. One for the release, and one for non-release(permanent)
[11:59] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PermanentBlueprintOverview
[12:00] <ttoine> zequence, I would like to add a workitem in PR
[12:00] <zequence> Things like PR, Documentation. Things that are not tested on a ISO, are not included in the approved blueprints for Ubuntu Raring
[12:00] <ttoine> [ubuntustudio-dev]  create @ubuntustudio.org email adresse for the PR team. It is needed at least to catch the Twitter account.
[12:00] <ttoine> but I can't, maybe I don't do it the right way
[12:01] <ttoine> zequence, ok
[12:07] <zequence> ttoine: What do you think? Should we only have one account, like "official@ubuntustudio.org", or individual accounts?
[12:07] <zequence> We could have both of course
[12:08] <zequence> An official account could then be redirected to other email adresses, if we only use one
[12:10] <zequence> ttoine: I don't understand about the twitter account though. Catch what?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Hi scott-work 
[13:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence and ttoine are talking about setting up e-mail accounts
[13:08] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw , good morning
[13:09] <scott-work> smartboyhw: what is the purpose of said e-mail accounts?
[13:11] <smartboyhw> scott-work, they want to use it to catch the Twitter account
[13:12] <smartboyhw> scott-work, BTW the Release Team says that it is the team we should start doing weekly reports to ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com, so I will continue to send like before 12.10 released, right?
[13:12] <scott-work> smartboyhw: absolutely (re: reports), i cannot tell you how big of a relief it is to me for you to do those reports :)
[13:13] <scott-work> smartboyhw: (re: email account and twitter) ahhhhhh, yes. i thought ttoine was contacting elizabeth to talk about ubuntustudio getting an official email account (ala xubuntu did) for twitter, etc
[13:14] <scott-work> i wonder if we should hear back from ttoine before we move forward on creating a twitter account
[13:15] <smartboyhw> scott-work, /me agrees
[13:15] <ttoine> zequence, an email adress @ubuntustudio.org is needed to fill the request to get the twitter account
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ttoine, have you asked pleia2 yet on this?
[13:16] <scott-work> ttoine: did you get a chance to talk to pleia2 (aka elizbath) about how to do this?
[13:16] <smartboyhw> scott-work, LOL
[13:16] <smartboyhw> 1 second delay:P
[13:16] <ttoine> smartboyhw, yes, I asked her
[13:17]  * smartboyhw is finding it difficult to download the 3.6.9-rt21 kernel he compiled to a Studio 12.10 VM
[13:17] <ttoine> yesterday evening I tried to become a member
[13:17] <smartboyhw> ttoine, and failed due to not sustained contributions
[13:17] <smartboyhw> right?
[13:17] <ttoine> smartboyhw, yes, that's the point. actually, if I asked for membership in 2007, I may have it...
[13:18] <ttoine> the board said that it is not possible at the moment.
[13:18] <smartboyhw> ttoine, that's five years late:P
[13:18] <scott-work> ttoine: does being a member affect getting the @ubuntustudio.org email account?
[13:18] <smartboyhw> I might even possibly get membership earlier than you then ttoine 
[13:18] <ttoine> smartboyhw, yes, I know... but I was thinking that being a member was more like an award. And it is now that it would be usefull that I can't be member ;-)
[13:18] <smartboyhw> ttoine, uh!?
[13:19] <ttoine> scott-work, that's the point i would like to chat with you
[13:19] <ttoine> is it possible for the PR team to have ubuntustudio.org email ?
[13:19] <ttoine> or not at all ?
[13:20] <smartboyhw> ttoine, yes of course....
[13:20] <smartboyhw> scott-work permitted you on that
[13:20] <smartboyhw> am I wrong!?
[13:20] <ttoine> I don't know
[13:21] <ttoine> and I don't even know how to have such an email
[13:21] <smartboyhw> ttoine, what did pleia2 tell you about the email account?
[13:21] <ttoine> smartboyhw, nothing. she give me the email address of a guy working at twitter
[13:22] <ttoine> this guy helped her to get the twitter account
[13:22] <scott-work> ttoine: i do not understand what you are asking with regards to the pr team and the email account. i should note that you are on the pr team, however.
[13:22] <ttoine> and he told me that it would be easier with an ubuntu or ubuntustudio email
[13:23] <ttoine> scott-work, we chat yesterday evening with zequence and micahg 
[13:24] <ttoine> micahg told that xubuntu provide some xubuntu.org email address to some of the team member
[13:25] <ttoine> and that to get the email address, an ubuntustudio.org would be usefull
[13:25] <smartboyhw> ttoine, the problem is that we don't know how to set it up right?
[13:25] <ttoine> smartboyhw, that is why I ask scott-work about that, maybe he would know
[13:27] <smartboyhw> ttoine, I think we need to find the Canonical IS, because normally we should find the hosting provider for our ubuntustudio.org website, and so that means we need to find IS
[13:27] <ttoine> smartboyhw, what is the best way to contact them ?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> ttoine, I think it means to open a ticket in rt.ubuntu.com
[13:27]  * smartboyhw thinks Canonical IS will surely kill us for having so many tickets in rt:P
[13:28] <scott-work> oh, i don't know how to set up that email account. i suspect that this will mean contacting the controlling canonical group via an RT ticket
[13:28] <smartboyhw> ttoine, you file one then:P
[13:28] <scott-work> heh, just read what smartboyhw typed
[13:28] <ttoine> scott-work, may I do that ? or it is up to you ?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> scott-work, LOL
[13:29] <scott-work> ttoine: you can certainly do it :)
[13:29] <smartboyhw> But then we need to decide also what email accounts we need
[13:29] <smartboyhw> And tell them to set it up all at once;P
[13:29] <ttoine> scott-work, so before opening a ticket, it would be usefull to think who whould need a ubunstudio.org email
[13:29] <ttoine> so we can open only one ticket for everyone
[13:30] <ttoine> smartboyhw, you where faster than me
[13:30] <smartboyhw> ttoine, I am fast on typing:P
[13:30] <smartboyhw> (at least faster than balloons on QA Team)
[13:36] <ttoine> scott-work, smartboyhw, can one of you tell me how I can add a work item on a launchpad blueprint ?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> ttoine, um like this
[13:37] <smartboyhw> [ttoine] the message: TODO/INPROGRESS/BLOCKED/DONE
[13:38]  * smartboyhw finds the new dependency table in topic-flavor-ubuntustudio more messier than ever:(
[13:38] <smartboyhw> God's sake!!!!
[13:40]  * scott-work is working backwards up the backscroll ;)
[13:41] <scott-work> smartboyhw: yes, i think we had too many "finely focused" blueprints and the dependencies are slightly wacky
[13:41] <smartboyhw> scott-work, let us tell zequence :P
[13:42] <scott-work> i think he and i already talked about it in a loosely manner (i.e. it was a secondary observation in regards to a different topic of discussion)
[13:42] <smartboyhw> ttoine, well actually 1. PR team is almost = Website Team and 2. That will mean 7 accounts plus a official@ubuntustudio.org accounts or something
[13:42] <ttoine> smartboyhw, thanks.
[13:42] <scott-work> ttoine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto
[13:43] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :D
[13:43] <scott-work> this is a really good (and official!) explanation of the work items
[13:44] <smartboyhw> ttoine, um I think not only the PR guys should get one account. For example, len-dt is not on website or PR team, but then he should get an account.
[13:44] <scott-work> ttoine: i presume you have a launchpad account and are logged in though ;)  and you should just click the yellow circle with the black exclamation point
[13:45] <scott-work> smartboyhw: ttoine: i hadn't really considered if we are getting multiple @ubuntustudio.org accounts. my original thought was that there would be one that was shared. hmmmm, this requires reconsideration obviously on my part.
[13:45] <ttoine> scott-work, I can undserstand this point of view
[13:45] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yeah I didn't think about that too
[13:46] <ttoine> it is quite new ;-)
[13:47] <ttoine> scott-work, but it will be great, if the aim is still to create a team
[13:47] <smartboyhw> ttoine, aren't we originally supposed to create a team?:P
[13:47] <smartboyhw> And we created the PR team (aka website team)
[13:47] <scott-work> ttoine:  instead of creating another team, we decided to use the -website team, especially since the -website team already has access to the website
[13:48] <ttoine> smartboyhw, of course, PR and Website team are just a base. thats' why I think we should chat about who should have an email account
[13:48] <scott-work> although i still need to fix the hierarchy of the teams so that being part of the -website team doesn't grant access to the code :P
[13:48] <smartboyhw> ttoine, um that will cause people arguing about it:P
[13:48] <smartboyhw> scott-work, that doesn
[13:48] <smartboyhw> 't take you 5 minutes:P
[13:50] <ttoine> scott-work, and if we have only one "official@ubuntustudio.org" address, how can we manage to share it ?
[13:50] <zequence> ttoine: It can be redirected
[13:51] <zequence> Or, what's the word?
[13:51] <zequence> as was said, we only need to create a rt ticket for the emails
[13:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, FORWARD:P
[13:52] <zequence> I'm assuming they have simple tools for creating email accouns, so this should not be a big problem. Would be good if we first decided how many accounts, and then sent one ticket only
[13:52] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yea, thanks
[13:53] <ttoine> zequence, that's why we were talking about
[13:53] <zequence> ttoine: I don't understand why it would be easier to have a @ubuntu account or @ubuntustudio in order to create a twitter account
[13:53] <zequence> ttoine: Yes, I know. That is why I was asking you about this earlier
[13:54] <zequence> Why do we need a @ubuntustudio.org email account?
[13:54] <zequence> Other than it looks fancy
[13:54] <ttoine> zequence, actually, I didn't know that is was possible to create ubuntustudio.org emails. but according to the contact of plei2, and ubuntustudio.org email would be better
[13:55] <zequence> ttoine: Better for what?
[13:55] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think it was that if we don't set that up Twitter will probably assume we are not an organization and may not permit us to set up the Twitter account
[13:55] <ttoine> zequence, the other purpose is if we contact other companies than twitter. For example, to get sponsorship.
[13:55] <smartboyhw> ttoine, why we need sponsorship!?
[13:55] <scott-work> the xubuntu's twitter account is pretty tight looking: https://twitter.com/Xubuntu
[13:55] <ttoine> zequence, to get the @ubuntustudio twitter account. 
[13:56] <ttoine> it already registered by someone we don't know and don't answer.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> ttoine, oh is it?
[13:56] <zequence> ttoine: Ok, I see.
[13:56] <ttoine> smartboyhw, it is. and there is a huge form to fill
[13:56] <zequence> So, how about we ask to get email accounts for all current active members on the Ubuntu Studio team?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Nkunzimana Herve... Who is that guy?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, how to define then?
[13:57] <ttoine> smartboyhw, hehe, you are really fast
[13:57] <scott-work> ttoine: zequence: if a @ubuntu or @ubuntustudio account is required, both zequence and i have a @ubuntu.com email account
[13:57] <smartboyhw> ttoine, I am fast:P
[13:57] <smartboyhw> 14-year-olds are supposed to be fast:p
[13:57] <scott-work> ttoine: zequence: so, if we can clear the twitter accounts with an @ubuntu.com email address, do we still _need_ @ubuntustudio.org for other purposes?
[13:58] <ttoine> scott-work, you can try with your @ubuntu email. but be sure that with a ubuntustudio.org email it will be better
[13:58] <smartboyhw> If we can try to avoid setting  @ubuntustudio.org email accounts the better
[13:58] <ttoine> scott-work, I think, yes, that some time it will be usefull. at least to send official emails on mailing lists
[13:59] <ttoine> it will be more clear if we can have a "official@ubuntustudio.org" or a "team@ubuntustudio.org"
[13:59] <ttoine> or something like that
[14:00] <smartboyhw> ttoine, well that might be a good way
[14:00] <ttoine> an other example :  I often contact companies like Echo, harrison, or developpers of some projects like colord, inkscape, etc. to get some news.
[14:00] <ttoine> and sometime, using my own email address is not the easy way
[14:00] <zequence> ttoine: In those cases it's much better to have a personal eamil
[14:01] <zequence> I mean like ttoine @ubuntustudio.org
[14:01]  * smartboyhw faints over this email discussion:!
[14:02] <zequence> But using such an email should probably only be used for official stuff
[14:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep
[14:02] <smartboyhw> But yet again: How to define official stuff?
[14:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: The kind that is defined on the PR page
[14:03] <zequence> As well as what ttoine just mentioned
[14:03] <smartboyhw> So like, I can't use for example smartboyhw@ubuntustudio.org (if I get one) to post to the Ubuntu QA Mailing list right? 
[14:03] <smartboyhw> zequence, so only for news
[14:03] <zequence> When one of us is communicating on behalf of Ubuntu Studio, and not on behalf of ourselves
[14:03] <ttoine> zequence, of course, only official use
[14:03] <smartboyhw> My account is going to rust then
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Only two news per cycle: Beta testing and RC testing:P
[14:04] <zequence> smartboyhw: At least not use it to post political opinions on diverse mail lists, and that sort of thing
[14:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, sorry: How to define political opinions? (Sorry on kept asking, I just don't want to do anything wrong:P)
[14:07] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i think he meant, don't offer _your_ opinion on something with official email, only opinions from the team should be posted with the @ubuntustudio.org account
[14:07] <smartboyhw> scott-work, OK
[14:08] <scott-work> okay: let's say smartboyhw, ttoine, zequence, len-dt , and me get "official" email accounts. is that excluding anyone who might have a _real_ need for one?
[14:08] <smartboyhw> scott-work, holstein needs one
[14:08] <zequence> holstein too I think
[14:08] <zequence> astraljava?
[14:08]  * smartboyhw agrees
[14:09] <scott-work> i.e. is anyone else possibly going to be making routine or regular posts for any reason that would require the email account (this excludes the website stuff that should also post to social)
[14:09] <zequence> Probably the PR team, and any leading team member might have use for it, but that covers just about everyone
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Yeah zequence ttoine scott-work smartboyhw holstein len-dt astraljava 
[14:09] <smartboyhw> That's the list
[14:09] <smartboyhw> At least for now
[14:10] <scott-work> "make it so, number two"
[14:10] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ?
[14:11] <scott-work> sorry, was a reference to star trek saying "do it" ;)
[14:11] <zequence> I'll make a ticket then
[14:12] <zequence> I'll use the launchpad id's and email adresses for everyone as contact info
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:12] <scott-work> of course, i outed myself as a crappy star trek (the next generation) fan as i messed up the quote. it should have been "make it so, number *one*"
[14:12] <zequence> :D
[14:12] <scott-work> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=make%20it%20so%2C%20Number%20One
[14:13] <ttoine> looks good
[14:15] <ttoine> bbl
[14:15] <scott-work> i like it when we discuss items, make a decision (even if it is not _perfect_), and then do it :)
[14:16] <scott-work> we can always iterate and pivot if necessary
[14:16] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yay
[14:16]  * smartboyhw wonders has zequence got a new title: Ubuntu Studio Canonical IS contact:P
[14:23] <smartboyhw> scott-work, so I will update the whiteboard on who will get accounts....
[14:23] <smartboyhw> I mean on the PR blueprint
[14:23] <scott-work> sure
[14:26] <smartboyhw> scott-work, check your email box
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Is that correct?
[14:28] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i haven't received anything yet. i'll keep checking, though
[14:28] <smartboyhw> scott-work, eh? I got it 2 seconds after I changed it:P
[14:29] <scott-work> oh, sorry. you mean for a blueprint. i have that going to a different folder in gmail. i see it now. checking....
[14:29] <smartboyhw> scott-work, LOL
[14:30] <scott-work> looks good. i wonder if we should also have an 'info' or 'contact' email account. not sure that we really need it.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> scott-work, um let ttoine come back first
[14:31] <smartboyhw> And we shall discuss it more:P
[14:32] <zequence> scott-work: I'll add a contact@ubuntustudio.org and ask to have that directed to you then
[14:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, let me add it to the blueprint whiteboard
[14:38] <holstein> wow
[14:38] <smartboyhw> holstein, wow what?:P
[14:38] <holstein> do we really get ubuntustudio email addys?
[14:38] <holstein> thats cool
[14:38] <holstein> i get an ubuntu one, but i dont have it setup properly
[14:39] <smartboyhw> holstein, don't forget: That is for OFFICIAL purposes:P
[14:40] <holstein> its awesome!
[14:40] <holstein> i would like to approach some folks officially.. i think this is a great idea
[14:40] <smartboyhw> holstein, you are the most excited person around here;P
[14:40] <smartboyhw> holstein, OFFICIAL for Ubuntu Studio.....
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Gee we need some explanation
[14:40] <holstein> smartboyhw: it doesnt take much to get me going
[14:41] <holstein> i just mean, getting reviews, or articles or whatever.. would be nice to come from an @ubuntustudio addy :)
[14:42] <smartboyhw> holstein, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1416925/ 
[14:42] <smartboyhw> The official log of the birth of the emails (/me rolls his eyes)
[14:44] <scott-work> zequence: that sounds good
[15:00] <zequence> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=20780
[15:02] <zequence> I guess everyone got an email about the ticket
[15:02] <holstein> i did
[15:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: Why are you wanting to SRU ubuntustudio-default-settings?
[15:03] <zequence> Ah, the no help bug
[15:09] <ttoine> just here for 5min
[15:10] <ttoine> smartboyhw, holstein, scott-work, zequence maybe we should write somewhere simple rules about when to use @ubuntustudio.org emails, or not
[15:11] <zequence> Every year it's the same thing. It starts to snow. Public transportation is in chaos. What? No one anticipated it would snow this winter too?
[15:11] <holstein> how about... "ubuntustudio related"
[15:11] <zequence> ttoine: I guess we could add more stuff to the PR page
[15:12] <ttoine> zequence, and you are not living in france... when there is 2mm of snow, people just can't drive anymore in big cities... trucks are stopped on highways, etc.
[15:12] <zequence> ttoine: Everything there applies, I think. But we could add more, like what you said about contacting vendors
[15:12] <ttoine> zequence, yes, for sure.
[15:12] <ttoine> I have to go and get my son at school. bbl
[15:13] <zequence> ttoine: In France you don't change to winter tires, right? Here at least car traffic is not that bad. It's just the trains and trams, and buses to some extent
[15:13] <zequence> This part of Sweden is just in between the pro snow, and the amateur snow
[15:14] <zequence> We get a few days of bad weather each year, and there's not enough resources to handle that, since there's no need for most of the year
[15:15] <holstein> yeah, thats similar to here
[15:16] <holstein> a little snow knocks everything out
[15:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, uh len-dt made the change in July but then it has not been fixed. This fixes Bug 1041882 you know:P
[15:16] <smartboyhw> some rules about when to use the account will be good
[15:17] <zequence> I'm just on my way to meet a tram, that is delayed, but I can bet it won't be in time for it's announced delay
[15:17] <zequence> It'll be later then the late it was supposed to be
[15:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'll have a look at that.
[15:18] <zequence> bye for now
[15:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, bye
[15:43] <micahg> scott-work: I said Kubuntu, not Xubuntu
[15:44] <scott-work> micahg: ah
[22:52] <len-dt> zequence, the settings smartboyhw was talking about are in a branch ( -settings.precise ) because the new settings 12.10 and up would not work with 12.04. (xfce 4.8 - 4.10 differences). The precise package has been built and tested against 12.04 ok. I do have a copy of it around somewhere (the *.deb).
[22:53] <len-dt> But I think it would normally be rebuilt anyway for release.
[22:55]  * len-dt is not worried about if he should have a US mail address.