| apachelogger | well | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | the login to Amazon from Amarok is completely open to the buyer | 00:00 |
| apachelogger | do we have a version that is in-your-face yet? | 00:00 |
| valorie | sucks that the fsf is bagging on us, because of Canonical | 00:01 |
| valorie | when we are a community supported flavor | 00:01 |
| yofel | hm, it is disturbing that the article doesn't mention Unity even once | 00:02 |
| ScottK | valorie: Yes. We have none of that. | 00:02 |
| valorie | and no way to respond to his blog | 00:03 |
| * valorie is not a big fan of the present-day Stallman | 00:03 | |
| valorie | I give him credit for his early work, but I don't think he's helping, these days | 00:04 |
| valorie | and too often, the opposite | 00:04 |
| ScottK | In this case (which is somewhat rare) I agree with him. | 00:06 |
| valorie | sure, but we're being tarred with that brush | 00:07 |
| valorie | I don't like that one bit | 00:07 |
| valorie | people still listen to him | 00:08 |
| valorie | oh well, I've got to get the post office before they close | 00:08 |
| maco | valorie: ive heard someone say "i pay attention to stallman the way a ship's captain pays attention to a light house. good to know where it stands, but you dont want to be in the same place" | 00:09 |
| * ScottK knows who that was too. | 00:11 | |
| ScottK | Either that or someone that copied it. | 00:11 |
| ronnoc | It's hypocritical to say that Ubuntu is evil, when he earlier said that open source software, even on proprietary platforms, is a good gateway to free software ideals. At worst, this is merely the inverse of that idea. Much to do about nothing, IMHO. | 00:16 |
| ronnoc | Besides, didn't Ubu make the Amazon lense entirely viluntary? | 00:17 |
| ronnoc | *voluntary | 00:17 |
| ScottK | ronnoc: It's on by default and even local searches get sent to Canonical if you haven't disabled all online lenses. | 00:17 |
| ScottK | You can't turn off just the search stuff, it has to be all the online stuff in lenses or none of it. | 00:18 |
| ronnoc | hmmm | 00:18 |
| * ronnoc hasn't used stock Ubuntu in years | 00:18 | |
| ScottK | If I were to use the local search functions on Unity for $WORK, I would almost certainly immediately violate the terms of more than one consulting contract. | 00:19 |
| ScottK | It's just not a serious concept for people who use computers for work. | 00:19 |
| ronnoc | Hence the flood of new users to Kubuntu and spin-offs like Mint | 00:20 |
| ScottK | yofel: Another 4.9.4 regression (see packagers). | 00:22 |
| yofel | great... | 00:23 |
| yofel | I won't look at those today, can do it tomorrow morning | 00:23 |
| ScottK | Great. | 00:24 |
| valorie | maco: agreed | 00:39 |
| ScottK | Riddell: knavalbattle section should not be libs. I overrode it to games, so please fix on the next upload. The package description is a bit sparse as well ... | 01:20 |
| ScottK | Riddell: debian/copyright in ksnakeduel lists the wrong copyright holders. I'll accept it, but please fix. It should also be section games. | 01:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: picimi also has the wrong copyright holders and section. Please fix it as well. | 01:28 |
| yofel | ScottK: as pykde4 requires SIP from raring - do I need to backport python-qt4 as well? or will backporting it break something as the python3 versions are different? | 01:46 |
| * yofel backports and hopes for the best | 01:52 | |
| yofel | hm, I need to backport pyqt anyway | 01:54 |
| yofel | erk | 02:24 |
| yofel | Missing build dependencies: python3-all-dev (>= 3.2.3-6~) | 02:24 |
| * yofel calls it a day - good night | 02:24 | |
| rbelem | danimo, what do you think about use libcap-ng in icecc? | 06:17 |
| rbelem | danimo, i started a patch doing that https://github.com/rbelem/icecream/tree/libcap-ng | 06:18 |
| rbelem | danimo: what do you think? | 06:20 |
| * rbelem snoozes | 06:20 | |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 14:02 |
| yofel | dolphin patches for 4.9 are imported | 14:29 |
| ScottK | yofel: Thanks. | 16:27 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You have a ubiquity merge request I've asked you to review (not sure how closely you read that type of mail) | 16:30 |
| Riddell | ScottK: thanks added to my todo | 16:51 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you get my comments from my New review of your games packages yesterday? | 16:51 |
| Riddell | ScottK: mm yes but I should also have that on my todo thanks | 16:53 |
| Riddell | added now :) | 16:53 |
| ScottK | Great. | 16:53 |
| yofel | ScottK: would you be so nice to look at the quantal backport for python-qt4 in ninjas? I have no idea what needs to be done there without breaking something. | 16:59 |
| ScottK | I'll try and have a look. I'm not sure I remember. | 16:59 |
| Riddell | if it's hassle to backport then it can be missed out | 17:00 |
| yofel | it needs a newer python3 version than we have in quantal | 17:00 |
| yofel | Riddell: without it we don't get pykde | 17:00 |
| Riddell | not many people need the latest and greatest pykde I'd think | 17:00 |
| yofel | hm, ok, then only kate needs to be fixed to be happy with the old pykde | 17:00 |
| ScottK | yofel: I'd skip it unless it's essential. | 17:00 |
| yofel | I don't know. If we don't really need the new pykde, then I would skip sip/pyqt/pykde altogether | 17:01 |
| ScottK | The solution (I remember now) is the fixed dh_python3 and we don't want to mess with that in our PPA | 17:01 |
| ScottK | That's best if you can manage it. | 17:01 |
| yofel | only kate is stuck in depwait, if the rest will work with the old one we're fine | 17:02 |
| ScottK | IIRC most of that was driven by the switch to python3.3 and that's not relevant. | 17:02 |
| yofel | I'll remove the python stuff | 17:02 |
| ScottK | I went through the 4.9.90 packages in the archive and retried everything that needed it. | 17:13 |
| shadeslayer | ohai | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: thanks for that | 17:34 |
| ScottK | The ubuntu-build script is full of awesome. | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 17:36 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: apart from being awesome, it's also buggy | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | ~ ยป ubuntu-build kate raring status | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | powerpc: Successfully built. | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 17:40 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: No. That's correct | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | lolwot | 17:40 |
| ScottK | You want the status in raring-proposed | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kate/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4046243 | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | ohh | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | it ... okay | 17:41 |
| ScottK | Do what I mean, not what I say is not a bug. | 17:41 |
| shadeslayer | I assumed it would just take the most recently uploaded version | 17:48 |
| yofel | 4.9.90 for quantal ready for testing. Noting obviously broken here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/ppa/4.9.90p.html | 17:50 |
| yofel | !testers | 17:50 |
| ubottu | Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan | 17:50 |
| yofel | it's in ninjas | 17:50 |
| shadeslayer | raring ftw :P | 17:51 |
| yofel | i'm installing it here on my desktop right now. | 17:51 |
| yofel | meh, need to backport digikam | 17:54 |
| yofel | and I didn't fix the kajongg deps for quantal o.O | 17:56 |
| Tm_T | yofel riddell et al, if you add to !testers call "| test foofoo from barbaz" we get all the information in the hilight (: | 18:48 |
| yofel | I keep forgetting about that... | 18:49 |
| Tm_T | np | 18:49 |
| simplew | i have many applications appearing in gnome session, why werent these .desktop files set to appear only in KDE desktop? | 19:27 |
| yofel | which ones? Most kde applications run fine in gnome | 19:28 |
| simplew | yofel: theres many, yes but having equivalent gnome apps and als have kde apps listed shouldnt happen | 19:29 |
| ScottK | simplew: Apps are generally DE independent. | 19:29 |
| yofel | No, that's fine. There are people that run amarok in gnome for example | 19:30 |
| ScottK | The only things that should be KDE only are things tied to the DE/workspace. | 19:30 |
| simplew | yofel: this its confusing... | 19:30 |
| yofel | why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a use wants to override that, let him do it | 19:31 |
| yofel | s/a use/a user/ | 19:32 |
| kubotu | yofel meant: "why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a user wants to override that, let him do it" | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | actually | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: unless something changed, using nautilus in KDE is a bad idea | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | takes over plasma-desktop | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | atleast that's what it did 4 years ago | 19:33 |
| yofel | not sure how it's in gnome3 | 19:33 |
| yofel | but yeah, back then you needed --no-desktop | 19:33 |
| ScottK | Probably takes over more now that Gnome is an OS. | 19:33 |
| simplew | yofel: :) | 19:33 |
| * yofel assumed that they took the desktop out of nautilus | 19:33 | |
| yofel | wait, that's gnome-shell now, isn't it? | 19:34 |
| simplew | yofel: ? | 19:34 |
| yofel | simplew: just wondering what manages the desktop in gnome these days. In gnome2 it was nautilus. I think in gnome3 it's gnome-shell | 19:34 |
| ScottK | FYI, I'm checking out the Python 3 patch for kpythonpluginfactory and will upload an ubuntu2 of pykde4 if I get it worked out. | 19:35 |
| ScottK | jbicha would know. | 19:35 |
| yofel | I need to try that gnomebuntu thing one of these days | 19:36 |
| simplew | yofel: well im just poking around in gnome to see how it goes, im not an expert :) | 19:40 |
| simplew | yofel: but i thought that if there are apps equivalent in gnome to kde, that the kde apps should appear only kde | 19:41 |
| yofel | nope, the user is free to use either one | 19:41 |
| simplew | yofel: im using dolphin in gnome though... | 19:42 |
| simplew | nautilus is a mess... | 19:43 |
| simplew | and im in konversation also :D | 19:44 |
| yofel | digikam finally finished building | 19:56 |
| shadeslayer | hah | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | futurama has this sound in one of their episodes which sounds exactly like my mac when it boots | 20:00 |
| yofel | *sigh* - yet another mac fan spotted | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | the kind that spins? | 20:01 |
| ScottK | Someone should tell Apple so they can sue. Their valuable intellectual property is being tarnished. | 20:01 |
| yofel | well, that too. I meant fan as in fanboy though :P | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: hehe | 20:02 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: re the notes on the pad: The polikit-qt thing with pykde is not new. | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | ah okay | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | I put it in there before I knew what the issue was | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | forgot to remove | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | apparently polkit qt is too new | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: could you upload a new hupnp release? | 20:03 |
| yofel | note: the things you can ignore are documented in cmake-ignore.json in the automation folder | 20:04 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Give me the .dsc link | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/hupnp_1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc | 20:04 |
| yofel | yay, overwrite errors FTW -.- | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | oh drat, I just realized that there are new copyright years from the diff | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: ^ Want me to fix those before you upload? | 20:05 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Yes. Please. | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | okay, will do and send you a new link later | 20:06 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Any luck on KTP and the gstreamer transition? | 20:20 |
| shadeslayer | Uhh ... I asked George to email the Kubuntu Devel ML | 20:21 |
| shadeslayer | but I guess he hasn't gotten around to it | 20:21 |
| yofel | *sigh* - you still can't restart normally after updating to 4.9.90 | 20:22 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: I can't comment because I don't really have an idea as to what needs to be done ... he's the best guy to answer that email | 20:22 |
| yofel | what provides the logout/shutdown/restart/etc. confirmation menu? | 20:22 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Please follow up with him then. | 20:23 |
| shadeslayer | yeah pinged him agan | 20:23 |
| ScottK | You're our KTP guy so ... | 20:23 |
| shadeslayer | *again | 20:23 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 20:23 |
| shadeslayer | right | 20:23 |
| yofel | printer config seems to work, so I guess we're fine using pydke 4.9 | 20:27 |
| yofel | *pykde | 20:27 |
| yofel | anyway, except that you can't reboot after update, 4.10 works fine here in quantal | 20:28 |
| yofel | I'm copying the quantal packages to the beta ppa, we can continue the testing there | 20:53 |
| yofel | !testers | Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal | 21:03 |
| ubottu | Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal: Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan | 21:03 |
| Tm_T | I just installed 4.90.* from ninjas | 21:05 |
| Tm_T | suffice? | 21:05 |
| ScottK | yofel: The new print thing is in C++ | 21:06 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: It's in raring proposed. | 21:06 |
| ScottK | kdeplasma-addons won't build until we get a fixed marble. | 21:07 |
| yofel | Tm_T: for quantal? yeah, that's fine | 21:08 |
| * yofel just didn't recieve any response yet | 21:08 | |
| shadeslayer | ->sleep | 21:09 |
| yofel | nini shadeslayer | 21:09 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [932177] XFCE (and other non-GNOME) desktops do not initialise gnome-keyring correctly / WARNING: gn... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/932177 (by Paul Bogmat) | 21:18 |
| jussi | Welll, this 4.10 beta appears to work well | 21:41 |
| jussi | Any particular test cases I need to run? | 21:43 |
| yofel | "It works" is probably good enough for the beta. But if you have a laptop, try the touchpad config and see if it still works. (Or any pykde app for that matter) | 21:45 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| afiestas | has anyone tried the rarin alpha? | 23:21 |
| afiestas | I'm trying to install it, and so far it is stuck in the page after selecting the lang | 23:21 |
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