[00:00] <apachelogger> well
[00:00] <valorie> the login to Amazon from Amarok is completely open to the buyer
[00:00] <apachelogger> do we have a version that is in-your-face yet?
[00:01] <valorie> sucks that the fsf is bagging on us, because of Canonical
[00:01] <valorie> when we are a community supported flavor
[00:02] <yofel> hm, it is disturbing that the article doesn't mention Unity even once
[00:02] <ScottK> valorie: Yes.  We have none of that.
[00:03] <valorie> and no way to respond to his blog
[00:03]  * valorie is not a big fan of the present-day Stallman
[00:04] <valorie> I give him credit for his early work, but I don't think he's helping, these days
[00:04] <valorie> and too often, the opposite
[00:06] <ScottK> In this case (which is somewhat rare) I agree with him.
[00:07] <valorie> sure, but we're being tarred with that brush
[00:07] <valorie> I don't like that one bit
[00:08] <valorie> people still listen to him
[00:08] <valorie> oh well, I've got to get the post office before they close
[00:09] <maco> valorie: ive heard someone say "i pay attention to stallman the way a ship's captain pays attention to a light house. good to know where it stands, but you dont want to be in the same place"
[00:11]  * ScottK knows who that was too.
[00:11] <ScottK> Either that or someone that copied it.
[00:16] <ronnoc> It's hypocritical to say that Ubuntu is evil, when he earlier said that open source software, even on proprietary platforms, is a good gateway to free software ideals. At worst, this is merely the inverse of that idea. Much to do about nothing, IMHO.
[00:17] <ronnoc> Besides, didn't Ubu make the Amazon lense entirely viluntary?
[00:17] <ronnoc> *voluntary
[00:17] <ScottK> ronnoc: It's on by default and even local searches get sent to Canonical if you haven't disabled all online lenses.
[00:18] <ScottK> You can't turn off just the search stuff, it has to be all the online stuff in lenses or none of it.
[00:18] <ronnoc> hmmm
[00:18]  * ronnoc hasn't used stock Ubuntu in years
[00:19] <ScottK> If I were to use the local search functions on Unity for $WORK, I would almost certainly immediately violate the terms of more than one consulting contract.
[00:19] <ScottK> It's just not a serious concept for people who use computers for work.
[00:20] <ronnoc> Hence the flood of new users to Kubuntu and spin-offs like Mint
[00:22] <ScottK> yofel: Another 4.9.4 regression (see packagers).
[00:23] <yofel> great...
[00:23] <yofel> I won't look at those today, can do it tomorrow morning
[00:24] <ScottK> Great.
[00:39] <valorie> maco: agreed
[01:20] <ScottK> Riddell: knavalbattle section should not be libs.  I overrode it to games, so please fix on the next upload.  The package description is a bit sparse as well ...
[01:26] <ScottK> Riddell: debian/copyright in ksnakeduel lists the wrong copyright holders.  I'll accept it, but please fix.  It should also be section games.
[01:28] <ScottK> Riddell: picimi also has the wrong copyright holders and section.  Please fix it as well.
[01:46] <yofel> ScottK: as pykde4 requires SIP from raring - do I need to backport python-qt4 as well? or will backporting it break something as the python3 versions are different?
[01:52]  * yofel backports and hopes for the best
[01:54] <yofel> hm, I need to backport pyqt anyway
[02:24] <yofel> erk
[02:24] <yofel>  Missing build dependencies: python3-all-dev (>= 3.2.3-6~) 
[02:24]  * yofel calls it a day - good night
[06:17] <rbelem> danimo, what do you think about use libcap-ng in icecc?
[06:18] <rbelem> danimo, i started a patch doing that https://github.com/rbelem/icecream/tree/libcap-ng
[06:20] <rbelem> danimo: what do you think?
[06:20]  * rbelem snoozes
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:29] <yofel> dolphin patches for 4.9 are imported
[16:27] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[16:30] <ScottK> Riddell: You have a ubiquity merge request I've asked you to review (not sure how closely you read that type of mail)
[16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks added to my todo
[16:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get my comments from my New review of your games packages yesterday?
[16:53] <Riddell> ScottK: mm yes but I should also have that on my todo thanks
[16:53] <Riddell> added now :)
[16:53] <ScottK> Great.
[16:59] <yofel> ScottK: would you be so nice to look at the quantal backport for python-qt4 in ninjas? I have no idea what needs to be done there without breaking something.
[16:59] <ScottK> I'll try and have a look.  I'm not sure I remember.
[17:00] <Riddell> if it's hassle to backport then it can be missed out
[17:00] <yofel> it needs a newer python3 version than we have in quantal
[17:00] <yofel> Riddell: without it we don't get pykde
[17:00] <Riddell> not many people need the latest and greatest pykde I'd think
[17:00] <yofel> hm, ok, then only kate needs to be fixed to be happy with the old pykde
[17:00] <ScottK> yofel: I'd skip it unless it's essential.
[17:01] <yofel> I don't know. If we don't really need the new pykde, then I would skip sip/pyqt/pykde altogether
[17:01] <ScottK> The solution (I remember now) is the fixed dh_python3 and we don't want to mess with that in our PPA
[17:01] <ScottK> That's best if you can manage it.
[17:02] <yofel> only kate is stuck in depwait, if the rest will work with the old one we're fine
[17:02] <ScottK> IIRC most of that was driven by the switch to python3.3 and that's not relevant.
[17:02] <yofel> I'll remove the python stuff
[17:13] <ScottK> I went through the 4.9.90 packages in the archive and retried everything that needed it.
[17:33] <shadeslayer> ohai
[17:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks for that
[17:34] <ScottK> The ubuntu-build script is full of awesome.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apart from being awesome, it's also buggy
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ~ » ubuntu-build kate raring status
[17:40] <shadeslayer> powerpc: Successfully built.
[17:40] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.  That's correct
[17:40] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[17:40] <ScottK> You want the status in raring-proposed
[17:40] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kate/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4046243
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ohh
[17:41] <shadeslayer> it ... okay
[17:41] <ScottK> Do what I mean, not what I say is not a bug.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> I assumed it would just take the most recently uploaded version
[17:50] <yofel> 4.9.90 for quantal ready for testing. Noting obviously broken here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/ppa/4.9.90p.html
[17:50] <yofel> !testers
[17:50] <yofel> it's in ninjas
[17:51] <shadeslayer> raring ftw  :P
[17:51] <yofel> i'm installing it here on my desktop right now.
[17:54] <yofel> meh, need to backport digikam
[17:56] <yofel> and I didn't fix the kajongg deps for quantal o.O
[18:48] <Tm_T> yofel riddell et al, if you add to !testers call "| test foofoo from barbaz" we get all the information in the hilight (:
[18:49] <yofel> I keep forgetting about that...
[18:49] <Tm_T> np
[19:27] <simplew> i have many applications appearing in gnome session, why werent these .desktop files set to appear only in KDE desktop?
[19:28] <yofel> which ones? Most kde applications run fine in gnome
[19:29] <simplew> yofel: theres many, yes but having equivalent gnome apps and als have kde apps listed shouldnt happen
[19:29] <ScottK> simplew: Apps are generally DE independent.
[19:30] <yofel> No, that's fine. There are people that run amarok in gnome for example
[19:30] <ScottK> The only things that should be KDE only are things tied to the DE/workspace.
[19:30] <simplew> yofel: this its confusing...
[19:31] <yofel> why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a use wants to override that, let him do it
[19:32] <yofel> s/a use/a user/
[19:32] <kubotu> yofel meant: "why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a user wants to override that, let him do it"
[19:32] <shadeslayer> actually
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: unless something changed, using nautilus in KDE is a bad idea
[19:32] <shadeslayer> takes over plasma-desktop
[19:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:33] <shadeslayer> atleast that's what it did 4 years ago
[19:33] <yofel> not sure how it's in gnome3
[19:33] <yofel> but yeah, back then you needed --no-desktop
[19:33] <ScottK> Probably  takes over more now that Gnome is an OS.
[19:33] <simplew> yofel: :)
[19:33]  * yofel assumed that they took the desktop out of nautilus
[19:34] <yofel> wait, that's gnome-shell now, isn't it?
[19:34] <simplew> yofel: ?
[19:34] <yofel> simplew: just wondering what manages the desktop in gnome these days. In gnome2 it was nautilus. I think in gnome3 it's gnome-shell
[19:35] <ScottK> FYI, I'm checking out the Python 3 patch for kpythonpluginfactory and will upload an ubuntu2 of pykde4 if I get it worked out.
[19:35] <ScottK> jbicha would know.
[19:36] <yofel> I need to try that gnomebuntu thing one of these days
[19:40] <simplew> yofel: well im just poking around in gnome to see how it goes, im not an expert :)
[19:41] <simplew> yofel: but i thought that if there are apps equivalent in gnome to kde, that the kde apps should appear only kde
[19:41] <yofel> nope, the user is free to use either one
[19:42] <simplew> yofel: im using dolphin in gnome though...
[19:43] <simplew> nautilus is a mess...
[19:44] <simplew> and im in konversation also :D
[19:56] <yofel> digikam finally finished building
[20:00] <shadeslayer> hah
[20:00] <shadeslayer> futurama has this sound in one of their episodes which sounds exactly like my mac when it boots
[20:00] <yofel> *sigh* - yet another mac fan spotted
[20:01] <shadeslayer> the kind that spins?
[20:01] <ScottK> Someone should tell Apple so they can sue.  Their valuable intellectual property is being tarnished.
[20:02] <yofel> well, that too. I meant fan as in fanboy though :P
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hehe
[20:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: re the notes on the pad: The polikit-qt thing with pykde is not new.
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[20:03] <shadeslayer> I put it in there before I knew what the issue was 
[20:03] <shadeslayer> forgot to remove
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apparently polkit qt is too new
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you upload a new hupnp release?
[20:04] <yofel> note: the things you can ignore are documented in cmake-ignore.json in the automation folder
[20:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Give me the .dsc link
[20:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/hupnp_1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[20:05] <yofel> yay, overwrite errors FTW -.-
[20:05] <shadeslayer> oh drat, I just realized that there are new copyright years from the diff
[20:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^ Want me to fix those before you upload?
[20:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.  Please.
[20:06] <shadeslayer> okay, will do and send you a new link later
[20:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Any luck on KTP and the gstreamer transition?
[20:21] <shadeslayer> Uhh ... I asked George to email the Kubuntu Devel ML
[20:21] <shadeslayer> but I guess he hasn't gotten around to it
[20:22] <yofel> *sigh* - you still can't restart normally after updating to 4.9.90
[20:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I can't comment because I don't really have an idea as to what needs to be done ... he's the best guy to answer that email
[20:22] <yofel> what provides the logout/shutdown/restart/etc. confirmation menu?
[20:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please follow up with him then.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> yeah pinged him agan
[20:23] <ScottK> You're our KTP guy so ...
[20:23] <shadeslayer> *again
[20:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> right
[20:27] <yofel> printer config seems to work, so I guess we're fine using pydke 4.9
[20:27] <yofel> *pykde
[20:28] <yofel> anyway, except that you can't reboot after update, 4.10 works fine here in quantal
[20:53] <yofel> I'm copying the quantal packages to the beta ppa, we can continue the testing there
[21:03] <yofel> !testers | Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal
[21:05] <Tm_T> I just installed 4.90.* from ninjas
[21:05] <Tm_T> suffice?
[21:06] <ScottK> yofel: The new print thing is in C++
[21:06] <ScottK> Tm_T: It's in raring proposed.
[21:07] <ScottK> kdeplasma-addons won't build until we get a fixed marble.
[21:08] <yofel> Tm_T: for quantal? yeah, that's fine
[21:08]  * yofel just didn't recieve any response yet
[21:09] <shadeslayer> ->sleep
[21:09] <yofel> nini shadeslayer
[21:18] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [932177] XFCE (and other non-GNOME) desktops do not initialise gnome-keyring correctly / WARNING: gn... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/932177 (by Paul Bogmat)
[21:41] <jussi> Welll, this 4.10 beta appears to work well
[21:43] <jussi> Any particular test cases I need to run?
[21:45] <yofel> "It works" is probably good enough for the beta. But if you have a laptop, try the touchpad config and see if it still works. (Or any pykde app for that matter)
[23:21] <afiestas> has anyone tried the rarin alpha?
[23:21] <afiestas> I'm trying to install it, and so far it is stuck in the page after selecting the lang