[00:08] <zorael> how ready for daily use is raring's (kernel's) btrfs?
[00:12]  * penguin42 hasn't used btrfs - imho it's not just hte kernel, it's the tools as well that you need to check are up to date
[02:58] <MechanisM> hello! I'm trying to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 and having same issue as described here http://askubuntu.com/questions/222296/cant-upgrade-to-ubuntu-13-04-development-release
[02:59] <BluesKaj> tried the 3.7 kernel on 12.10 ...no go , just a black screen , no responses from KB or mouse , so no tty ...had to reinstall the OS
[03:01] <MechanisM> when I'm running "update-manager -d" it shows new version, I"m clicking upgrade and it's closed. when trying do-release-upgrade it's showing me "No new release found"
[03:03] <BluesKaj> MechanisM, the 13.04 release uses the 3,7 kernel , good li=uck with it ..your command for a development release is ," sudo do-release-upgrade -d "
[03:04] <BluesKaj> BBL
[03:04] <MechanisM> thanxx
[03:13] <MechanisM> ohh upgrade packages will be downloaded 1,3GB?? It's better to download cd and reinstall then..
[06:23] <gnomefreak> anyone here that can tell me if libreadline5 is needed?
[06:26] <gnomefreak> im getting really tired of apport crashing everytime i try to file a bug on unity, all other packages seem fine
[12:21] <Walther> Uhh, weird error
[12:21] <Walther> Err http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com raring Release.gpg                                                   Cannot initiate the connection to fi.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:708:310:54::102). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:708:310:54::102 80]
[12:22] <Walther> I can't get any updates anymore, as apt-get seems to be defaulting to ipv6
[12:22] <Walther> which seems not to be supported by my carrier (not surprised, this is only a mobile data connection tethered)
[12:39] <fanys> hello everbyody
[12:41] <penguin42> hey
[12:43] <fanys> does anybody know how to install wine1.5 to my raring? i am having problems with multiarch deps
[12:44] <fanys> or when it will be possible to install
[12:44] <bekks> fanys: Do you use aptitude?
[12:44] <fanys> no, just apt-get
[12:44] <fanys> shoud i try it?
[12:44] <fanys> should*
[12:44] <bekks> No :) aptitude has a brokenb multiarch handling afaik.
[12:44] <fanys> yeah :D
[12:45] <fanys> any idea?
[12:51] <penguin42> fanys: So what errors do you get when you do what?
[12:52] <fanys> everything leads to libc6:i386
[12:52] <penguin42> so, install it
[12:52] <fanys> i can't - it depends on debconf:i386
[12:52] <penguin42> so, install it
[12:53]  * penguin42 has libc6:i386 installed
[12:53] <fanys> can't - it ends up in dep hell
[12:53] <penguin42> fanys: Can you use a pastebin to show the actual errors you're seeing
[12:54] <fanys> yes
[12:54] <fanys> http://pastebin.com/qwMjJU4A
[12:55] <fanys> it is in czech :/
[12:55] <penguin42> can you do the same thing proceeding it with a LANG=C please :-)
[12:55] <fanys> i'll try to
[12:56] <penguin42> just do   LANG=C apt-get whatever
[12:56]  * penguin42 guesses 'ale nebude se instalovat' is not going to be installed
[12:58] <fanys> http://pastebin.com/eQzvE9Rs
[13:00] <penguin42> where are you getting wine1.5 from - I don't see it in my package set?
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[13:04] <yofel_> bekks: aptitude's multiarch handling works again since quantal, just safe-upgrade still doesn't work as well as before.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:03] <penguin42> Hey BK
[14:05] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42, still no luck with the 3.7 kernel , even on 12.10
[14:18] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Interesting; what's the last thing you're seeing?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> penguin42, nothing, it wouldn't boot
[14:23] <penguin42> you just get a blackscreen?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> yup. no cursor , no response to KB or mouse , so I had to reinstall , since I couldn't remove the kernel with the live cd or even update grub
[14:25] <penguin42> but grub lets you just choose the previous kernel, you don't need to reinstall for one bad kernel
[14:26] <BluesKaj> there was no grub menu period, there was no way of bringing it up
[14:26] <penguin42> you tried repeatedly banging the right shift straight after the bios?
[14:27] <penguin42> it normally isn't displayed at all
[14:27] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:27] <penguin42> that's unusual
[14:27] <BluesKaj> it is on this pc , i have other OS partitions
[14:27] <penguin42> yeh
[14:29] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I tend to edit /etc/default/grub to give me a second or two to prod it
[14:30] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If you set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false  and increase GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT  then run grub-update   it should display a message and give you a few seconds
[14:31] <BluesKaj> I tried to reinstall grub to the / on this partition using the live cd , but it couldn't find it
[14:31] <penguin42> if it's booting then you shouldn't need to rewrangle grub
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yes I have the time out set to 10 secs
[14:32] <BluesKaj> it 's fine now that i'm using the latest 3.5 kernel
[14:33] <penguin42> next time you feel like trying it, install the kernel then follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot   to get it to give all the boot messages and then you have a chance of seeing what's up
[14:35] <BluesKaj> penguin42, it's no point , the kernel doesn't boot here, period
[14:36] <BluesKaj> I'm very famliar with that boot proicedure , I've suggested to many ppl over the yrs
[14:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's really really odd to get *nothing* out when booting a kernel though; I mean to stop after a few lines sure, but nothing is relaly odd
[14:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What CPU is in there?
[14:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I know someone else who has boot problems with the Ubuntu 3.7, but that's giving him some output and it's stopping at the calibrating TSC, that's on an early 64bit P4
[14:45] <BluesKaj> amd 64
[14:45] <BluesKaj>  here
[14:46] <gnomefreak> ubuntu 3.7?
[14:46] <gnomefreak> hi penguin42 BluesKaj
[14:47] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, 3.7 kernel
[14:48] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:48] <BluesKaj> I have an early band practice today ...gotta go , talk to you guys later
[14:48] <gnomefreak> are you both on 13.04, and can try to reproduce a bug for me?
[14:49] <penguin42> sure
[14:49] <gnomefreak> s/both/both of you
[14:49] <gnomefreak> penguin42: bug 1082658
[14:51] <penguin42> right, let me just boot my raring vm - my main machine is running KDE raring
[14:52] <gnomefreak> penguin42: cool thanks
[14:53] <penguin42> it's thinking
[14:54] <gnomefreak> i am too but i bet yours will be done first
[14:54] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Do you get that immediately, it's asking me if it's a purely graphical issue or not?
[14:54] <gnomefreak> penguin42: it show the apport collecting than crashes. its not recording crash in /var/crash either
[14:55] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i had that message once or twice but not normally
[14:55] <gnomefreak> and yes it is graphical
[14:56]  * gnomefreak wonders if i can get away with filing the bug under gnome than add unity to the bug than apport-collect
[14:56] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Are you in a non-english language?
[14:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: no
[14:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i am english as a first language
[14:56] <penguin42> hmm, so it's got as far as firefox for me
[14:57] <penguin42> gah and then my X has died
[14:57] <gnomefreak> thats not good
[14:57] <penguin42> it's bug 1043513 which I've done a patch for
[14:57] <penguin42> gnomefreak: But it doesn't look like I've hit your bug
[14:58] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thanks for testing. sorry about X
[14:58] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Hey it's only my VM, not a problem
[15:00]  * gnomefreak goes for ssmoke and to think be back soon
[15:01] <penguin42> gnomefreak: The reason I mention the non-english is the error looks like a non-ascii type thing
[15:08]  * gnomefreak looks
[15:08] <gnomefreak> penguin42: from this "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xed' in position 40: ordinal not in range(128)"
[15:09] <penguin42> yeh that's what made me think that
[15:10] <gnomefreak> if i had to guess i would say that is exactly why its crashing
[15:10] <penguin42> nod
[15:10] <penguin42> so if you're running in English (like me) where the heck is it getting the \xed from
[15:10] <gnomefreak> not sure
[15:11]  * penguin42 doesn't know Python, so can't really help much
[15:11] <gnomefreak> i know a little python but not enough to figure this out
[15:12] <gnomefreak> penguin42: how hard is it to set-up/run a vm?
[15:13] <penguin42> gnomefreak: easy
[15:13] <gnomefreak> ive been using Ubuntu since brezzy dev cycle and still havent tried a vm
[15:13] <penguin42> gnomefreak: There are a few choices, I use kvm, some use virtualbox
[15:14] <penguin42> I just use virt-manager to run it
[15:15]  * gnomefreak goes in search of a wiki
[15:18] <gnomefreak> is kvm gui or cli?
[15:19] <penguin42> gnomefreak: kvm is the stuff at the back, virt-manager provides a gui
[15:21] <IdleOne> you might try testdrive
[15:22] <penguin42> gnomefreak: http://www.treblig.org/pics/withkvm.png
[15:24] <gnomefreak> does it use the main $HOME or does it make its own?
[15:25] <penguin42> gnomefreak: It's a virtual machine, so it's got it's own disk image, it's all self contained
[15:25] <gnomefreak> good
[15:26] <penguin42> gnomefreak: you can completely nuke the vm and not lose anything on the host
[15:26] <gnomefreak> testdrive is the frontend for kvm?
[15:27] <gnomefreak> i hated chroot due to it using main home dir, and i lost alot a bunch of times for not shutting it down properly
[15:30] <penguin42> yeh chroot isn't really designed for trying new installs in - things are just too complex these days
[15:31] <gnomefreak> i was using chroot to test things and build packages
[15:32] <gnomefreak> ok this wiki looks old https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation  anything more up-to-date with testdrive would be nice to but using search im not finding anything that looks helpful after the pre-install checklist
[15:33] <penguin42> gnomefreak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager   is virt-manager, I've not tried testdrive
[15:34] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thanks that looks alot more helpful than all the ones i looked at
[16:18] <yofel> penguin42: testdrive manages testing of ubuntu (and flavour) daily images. You can sync the images and run them in a VM with it
[16:19] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh, just never used it
[16:20] <yofel> it's nice for quick tests. For the actual install tests I run kvm by hand too
[16:21] <gnomefreak> i have to wait until my brain gets back from vacation before i can try it
[16:24] <IdleOne> if your brain has any brains it won't come back from vacation
[16:24] <IdleOne> :)
[16:25] <gnomefreak> lol
[18:00] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm screen lock in k+1 is annoying me
[18:00] <yofel> what's wrong with it?
[18:00] <penguin42> hmm
[18:01] <penguin42> yofel: When you've got the unlock screen up there doesn't seem to be anyway to get it to go away and relock (I've filed a bug on that) and also sometimes it doesn't seem to want to take my password until I explicitly click in the entry
[18:02] <yofel> I didn't really notice the first point, but yeah, the password field focus isn't really reliable yet
[18:03] <penguin42> yofel: I notice the 1st one because my computer is next to me and when I'm trying to watch TV in hte dark I like it to be black screen
[18:05] <penguin42> yofel: That's kde bug 311116
[18:26] <Guest77324> hello, I'm on nautilus 3.6.3 and when selecting "connect to server", I'm entering url like sftp://root@hostname/ but its sends me to user home dir sftp://root@hostname/root so I can't move to filesystem root. how to solve this?
[18:27] <Guest77324> in previous versions of nautolus I was able to move over all directories when I'm connected as root
[18:29] <bekks> using nautilus as root is a bad habbit.
[18:30] <Guest77324> bekks: I'm connecting to server via sftp as root, nautilus running not as root
[18:31] <bekks> sftp as root doesnt make things better ;)
[18:31] <bekks> I'd use a SFTP capable FTP-client, instead of nautilus.
[18:32] <Guest77324> I love mounting folders
[18:32] <Guest77324> and add to favourites
[18:33] <trism> Guest77324: can't you just ctrl+L and navigate to /? (or anywhere else)
[18:34] <Guest77324> yes I can, but I never used this when was using old nautilus in ubuntu 12.04
[18:42] <trism> Guest77324: I see what you mean, though the bookmarks seem to work, might just be a new design decision
[18:43] <Guest77324> I know it's sends me to root home dir, so I'll go in / and will add this to bookmarks.
[18:43] <trism> Guest77324: as in, I bookmarked / after connecting to the server and it let me auto connect back to / later (didn't bring me to the home directory)
[18:43] <Guest77324> After today upgrade from 12.10, some bookmarks lost
[18:44] <trism> oh I hadn't upgraded yet, let me look
[18:44] <Guest77324> trism: yes, same did I
[18:46] <Guest77324> I mean in old nautilus, when I connected as root, I'm jumped to /root folder, but I'm at least have seen / in breadcrumbs. now if I'm connected in new nautilus, it's showing me root as start of crumbs.
[18:46] <Guest77324> so I was confused. ctrl +L helped me.
[18:47] <trism> Guest77324: oh I see, well it doesn't look like we have any theming done for nautilus yet, so the breadcrumbs may be easier to see once it is themed for ambiance
[18:49] <Guest77324> themed nice. I mean there wasn't any option to go somwhere prior root folder(in crumbs)
[18:51] <trism> Guest77324: yeah I just noticed that when I looked again, sorry, I thought there would be a little arrow next to it
[18:51] <trism> Guest77324: might be worth filing a bug about that if there isn't one already
[18:51] <Guest77324> yes, yes
[18:52] <Guest77324> sorry it's my bad english. I'm badly explained the probles, but you understand me.
[18:52] <Guest77324> problem*
[18:55] <Guest77324> ohhh.. I'm unable to create file in nautilus 3.6.3!!
[18:55] <Guest77324> there's no any option in context menu
[18:55] <Guest77324> I see option for folder, but no for file
[18:57] <bjsnider> Guest77324, this has been addressed
[18:58] <bjsnider> in your home/Templates folder create an empty file called whatever you want
[18:58] <bjsnider> then you will see the option in the context menu
[18:58] <Guest77324> ok, thanx
[19:02] <Guest77324> lol, i've used "touch ~/Templates/empty_file", coz I'm was unable to create file yet.
[19:21] <trism> Guest77324: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683353 seems related too (comment 6 definitely)
[19:22] <Guest77324> trism: yep smth like that
[23:40] <jtaylor> what was the command to get info, like the executable path, of a gui application?
[23:40] <jtaylor> kind of like xwininfo but different info
[23:41] <penguin42> hmm
[23:41] <penguin42> xlsclients?
[23:42] <trism> jtaylor: xprop?
[23:42] <jtaylor> trism: thx thats what I was looking for
[23:43] <penguin42> ooh not seen that one before
[23:46] <penguin42> doing that with -root gets some interesting stuff
[23:47] <jtaylor> well using it was not such a great idea ._.
[23:47] <jtaylor> crashed my machine
[23:47] <penguin42> just X I assume?
[23:47] <jtaylor> no idea, probably memory leak
[23:48] <jtaylor> got unusable, no patience to wait until a tty reacts
[23:48] <penguin42> what window did you run it on?
[23:48] <jtaylor> activity log manager, but on 12.10
[23:49] <penguin42> what's activity log manager?
[23:50] <jtaylor> gives some control on what zeitgeist does
[23:50] <penguin42> how would I start it?
[23:50] <jtaylor> privacy in the dash
[23:50] <penguin42> ah ok
[23:51] <penguin42> jtaylor: Fine here
[23:51] <jtaylor> it might have been something else and my action at the time was just a coincidence
[23:51] <jtaylor> can't reproduce it
[23:52] <penguin42> hohum