[00:08] how ready for daily use is raring's (kernel's) btrfs? [00:12] * penguin42 hasn't used btrfs - imho it's not just hte kernel, it's the tools as well that you need to check are up to date [02:58] hello! I'm trying to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 and having same issue as described here http://askubuntu.com/questions/222296/cant-upgrade-to-ubuntu-13-04-development-release [02:59] tried the 3.7 kernel on 12.10 ...no go , just a black screen , no responses from KB or mouse , so no tty ...had to reinstall the OS [03:01] when I'm running "update-manager -d" it shows new version, I"m clicking upgrade and it's closed. when trying do-release-upgrade it's showing me "No new release found" [03:03] MechanisM, the 13.04 release uses the 3,7 kernel , good li=uck with it ..your command for a development release is ," sudo do-release-upgrade -d " [03:04] BBL [03:04] thanxx === len is now known as Guest88898 [03:13] ohh upgrade packages will be downloaded 1,3GB?? It's better to download cd and reinstall then.. [06:23] anyone here that can tell me if libreadline5 is needed? [06:26] im getting really tired of apport crashing everytime i try to file a bug on unity, all other packages seem fine === trijntje_ is now known as trijntje [12:21] Uhh, weird error [12:21] Err http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com raring Release.gpg Cannot initiate the connection to fi.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:708:310:54::102). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:708:310:54::102 80] [12:22] I can't get any updates anymore, as apt-get seems to be defaulting to ipv6 [12:22] which seems not to be supported by my carrier (not surprised, this is only a mobile data connection tethered) [12:39] hello everbyody [12:41] hey [12:43] does anybody know how to install wine1.5 to my raring? i am having problems with multiarch deps [12:44] or when it will be possible to install [12:44] fanys: Do you use aptitude? [12:44] no, just apt-get [12:44] shoud i try it? [12:44] should* [12:44] No :) aptitude has a brokenb multiarch handling afaik. [12:44] yeah :D [12:45] any idea? [12:51] fanys: So what errors do you get when you do what? [12:52] everything leads to libc6:i386 [12:52] so, install it [12:52] i can't - it depends on debconf:i386 [12:52] so, install it [12:53] * penguin42 has libc6:i386 installed [12:53] can't - it ends up in dep hell [12:53] fanys: Can you use a pastebin to show the actual errors you're seeing [12:54] yes [12:54] http://pastebin.com/qwMjJU4A [12:55] it is in czech :/ [12:55] can you do the same thing proceeding it with a LANG=C please :-) [12:55] i'll try to [12:56] just do LANG=C apt-get whatever [12:56] * penguin42 guesses 'ale nebude se instalovat' is not going to be installed [12:58] http://pastebin.com/eQzvE9Rs [13:00] where are you getting wine1.5 from - I don't see it in my package set? [13:04] [13:04] bekks: aptitude's multiarch handling works again since quantal, just safe-upgrade still doesn't work as well as before. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:02] Howdy all [14:03] Hey BK [14:05] hi penguin42, still no luck with the 3.7 kernel , even on 12.10 [14:18] BluesKaj: Interesting; what's the last thing you're seeing? [14:22] penguin42, nothing, it wouldn't boot [14:23] you just get a blackscreen? [14:25] yup. no cursor , no response to KB or mouse , so I had to reinstall , since I couldn't remove the kernel with the live cd or even update grub [14:25] but grub lets you just choose the previous kernel, you don't need to reinstall for one bad kernel [14:26] there was no grub menu period, there was no way of bringing it up [14:26] you tried repeatedly banging the right shift straight after the bios? [14:27] it normally isn't displayed at all [14:27] yup [14:27] that's unusual [14:27] it is on this pc , i have other OS partitions [14:27] yeh [14:29] BluesKaj: I tend to edit /etc/default/grub to give me a second or two to prod it [14:30] BluesKaj: If you set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false and increase GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT then run grub-update it should display a message and give you a few seconds [14:31] I tried to reinstall grub to the / on this partition using the live cd , but it couldn't find it [14:31] if it's booting then you shouldn't need to rewrangle grub [14:31] yes I have the time out set to 10 secs [14:32] it 's fine now that i'm using the latest 3.5 kernel [14:33] next time you feel like trying it, install the kernel then follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot to get it to give all the boot messages and then you have a chance of seeing what's up [14:35] penguin42, it's no point , the kernel doesn't boot here, period [14:36] I'm very famliar with that boot proicedure , I've suggested to many ppl over the yrs [14:42] BluesKaj: It's really really odd to get *nothing* out when booting a kernel though; I mean to stop after a few lines sure, but nothing is relaly odd [14:42] BluesKaj: What CPU is in there? [14:44] BluesKaj: I know someone else who has boot problems with the Ubuntu 3.7, but that's giving him some output and it's stopping at the calibrating TSC, that's on an early 64bit P4 [14:45] amd 64 [14:45] here [14:46] ubuntu 3.7? [14:46] hi penguin42 BluesKaj [14:47] gnomefreak, 3.7 kernel [14:48] ah [14:48] I have an early band practice today ...gotta go , talk to you guys later [14:48] are you both on 13.04, and can try to reproduce a bug for me? [14:49] sure [14:49] s/both/both of you [14:49] penguin42: bug 1082658 [14:49] Launchpad bug 1082658 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport keeps crashing when i try to file a bug on Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082658 [14:51] right, let me just boot my raring vm - my main machine is running KDE raring [14:52] penguin42: cool thanks [14:53] it's thinking [14:54] i am too but i bet yours will be done first [14:54] gnomefreak: Do you get that immediately, it's asking me if it's a purely graphical issue or not? [14:54] penguin42: it show the apport collecting than crashes. its not recording crash in /var/crash either [14:55] penguin42: i had that message once or twice but not normally [14:55] and yes it is graphical === Jikan is now known as Jikai [14:56] * gnomefreak wonders if i can get away with filing the bug under gnome than add unity to the bug than apport-collect [14:56] gnomefreak: Are you in a non-english language? [14:56] penguin42: no [14:56] penguin42: i am english as a first language [14:56] hmm, so it's got as far as firefox for me [14:57] gah and then my X has died [14:57] thats not good [14:57] it's bug 1043513 which I've done a patch for [14:57] Launchpad bug 1043513 in xserver-xorg-video-cirrus (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in memcpy() via cirRefreshArea() under KVM virtual machine" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043513 [14:57] gnomefreak: But it doesn't look like I've hit your bug [14:58] penguin42: thanks for testing. sorry about X [14:58] gnomefreak: Hey it's only my VM, not a problem [15:00] * gnomefreak goes for ssmoke and to think be back soon [15:01] gnomefreak: The reason I mention the non-english is the error looks like a non-ascii type thing [15:08] * gnomefreak looks [15:08] penguin42: from this "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xed' in position 40: ordinal not in range(128)" [15:09] yeh that's what made me think that [15:10] if i had to guess i would say that is exactly why its crashing [15:10] nod [15:10] so if you're running in English (like me) where the heck is it getting the \xed from [15:10] not sure [15:11] * penguin42 doesn't know Python, so can't really help much [15:11] i know a little python but not enough to figure this out [15:12] penguin42: how hard is it to set-up/run a vm? [15:13] gnomefreak: easy [15:13] ive been using Ubuntu since brezzy dev cycle and still havent tried a vm [15:13] gnomefreak: There are a few choices, I use kvm, some use virtualbox [15:14] I just use virt-manager to run it [15:15] * gnomefreak goes in search of a wiki [15:18] is kvm gui or cli? [15:19] gnomefreak: kvm is the stuff at the back, virt-manager provides a gui [15:21] you might try testdrive [15:22] gnomefreak: http://www.treblig.org/pics/withkvm.png [15:24] does it use the main $HOME or does it make its own? [15:25] gnomefreak: It's a virtual machine, so it's got it's own disk image, it's all self contained [15:25] good [15:26] gnomefreak: you can completely nuke the vm and not lose anything on the host [15:26] testdrive is the frontend for kvm? [15:27] i hated chroot due to it using main home dir, and i lost alot a bunch of times for not shutting it down properly [15:30] yeh chroot isn't really designed for trying new installs in - things are just too complex these days [15:31] i was using chroot to test things and build packages [15:32] ok this wiki looks old https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation anything more up-to-date with testdrive would be nice to but using search im not finding anything that looks helpful after the pre-install checklist [15:33] gnomefreak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager is virt-manager, I've not tried testdrive [15:34] penguin42: thanks that looks alot more helpful than all the ones i looked at [16:18] penguin42: testdrive manages testing of ubuntu (and flavour) daily images. You can sync the images and run them in a VM with it [16:19] yofel: Yeh, just never used it [16:20] it's nice for quick tests. For the actual install tests I run kvm by hand too [16:21] i have to wait until my brain gets back from vacation before i can try it [16:24] if your brain has any brains it won't come back from vacation [16:24] :) [16:25] lol [18:00] yofel: Hmm screen lock in k+1 is annoying me [18:00] what's wrong with it? [18:00] hmm [18:01] yofel: When you've got the unlock screen up there doesn't seem to be anyway to get it to go away and relock (I've filed a bug on that) and also sometimes it doesn't seem to want to take my password until I explicitly click in the entry [18:02] I didn't really notice the first point, but yeah, the password field focus isn't really reliable yet [18:03] yofel: I notice the 1st one because my computer is next to me and when I'm trying to watch TV in hte dark I like it to be black screen [18:05] yofel: That's kde bug 311116 [18:06] KDE bug 311116 in locker "Simple lock doesn't respond to escape or anyother way to blank again" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311116 [18:26] hello, I'm on nautilus 3.6.3 and when selecting "connect to server", I'm entering url like sftp://root@hostname/ but its sends me to user home dir sftp://root@hostname/root so I can't move to filesystem root. how to solve this? [18:27] in previous versions of nautolus I was able to move over all directories when I'm connected as root [18:29] using nautilus as root is a bad habbit. [18:30] bekks: I'm connecting to server via sftp as root, nautilus running not as root [18:31] sftp as root doesnt make things better ;) [18:31] I'd use a SFTP capable FTP-client, instead of nautilus. [18:32] I love mounting folders [18:32] and add to favourites [18:33] Guest77324: can't you just ctrl+L and navigate to /? (or anywhere else) [18:34] yes I can, but I never used this when was using old nautilus in ubuntu 12.04 [18:42] Guest77324: I see what you mean, though the bookmarks seem to work, might just be a new design decision [18:43] I know it's sends me to root home dir, so I'll go in / and will add this to bookmarks. [18:43] Guest77324: as in, I bookmarked / after connecting to the server and it let me auto connect back to / later (didn't bring me to the home directory) [18:43] After today upgrade from 12.10, some bookmarks lost [18:44] oh I hadn't upgraded yet, let me look [18:44] trism: yes, same did I [18:46] I mean in old nautilus, when I connected as root, I'm jumped to /root folder, but I'm at least have seen / in breadcrumbs. now if I'm connected in new nautilus, it's showing me root as start of crumbs. [18:46] so I was confused. ctrl +L helped me. [18:47] Guest77324: oh I see, well it doesn't look like we have any theming done for nautilus yet, so the breadcrumbs may be easier to see once it is themed for ambiance [18:49] themed nice. I mean there wasn't any option to go somwhere prior root folder(in crumbs) [18:51] Guest77324: yeah I just noticed that when I looked again, sorry, I thought there would be a little arrow next to it [18:51] Guest77324: might be worth filing a bug about that if there isn't one already [18:51] yes, yes [18:52] sorry it's my bad english. I'm badly explained the probles, but you understand me. [18:52] problem* [18:55] ohhh.. I'm unable to create file in nautilus 3.6.3!! [18:55] there's no any option in context menu [18:55] I see option for folder, but no for file [18:57] Guest77324, this has been addressed [18:58] in your home/Templates folder create an empty file called whatever you want [18:58] then you will see the option in the context menu [18:58] ok, thanx [19:02] lol, i've used "touch ~/Templates/empty_file", coz I'm was unable to create file yet. [19:21] Guest77324: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683353 seems related too (comment 6 definitely) [19:21] Gnome bug 683353 in daemon "need a way to request a path relative to the default directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [19:22] trism: yep smth like that === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [23:40] what was the command to get info, like the executable path, of a gui application? [23:40] kind of like xwininfo but different info [23:41] hmm [23:41] xlsclients? [23:42] jtaylor: xprop? [23:42] trism: thx thats what I was looking for [23:43] ooh not seen that one before [23:46] doing that with -root gets some interesting stuff [23:47] well using it was not such a great idea ._. [23:47] crashed my machine [23:47] just X I assume? [23:47] no idea, probably memory leak [23:48] got unusable, no patience to wait until a tty reacts [23:48] what window did you run it on? [23:48] activity log manager, but on 12.10 [23:49] what's activity log manager? [23:50] gives some control on what zeitgeist does [23:50] how would I start it? [23:50] privacy in the dash [23:50] ah ok [23:51] jtaylor: Fine here [23:51] it might have been something else and my action at the time was just a coincidence [23:51] can't reproduce it [23:52] hohum