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| achiang | vanhoof: all went well, going through oem-config now | 00:20 |
|---|---|---|
| vanhoof | cool | 00:23 |
| vanhoof | i got through it no probs a few times | 00:24 |
| vanhoof | you should be all set | 00:24 |
| vanhoof | achiang: screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200 ... once you're done | 00:25 |
| * vanhoof is in heaven | 00:25 | |
| achiang | what's that, debug console? | 00:26 |
| vanhoof | yup | 00:26 |
| vanhoof | usb/serial | 00:26 |
| vanhoof | full console even | 00:26 |
| achiang | whee, i'm on R | 00:27 |
| achiang | machine name is 'mfer' | 00:27 |
| achiang | ;) | 00:27 |
| vanhoof | lol | 00:27 |
| achiang | what's new and shiny for me to play with? | 00:27 |
| vanhoof | plymouth, usb-serial, an actual panel, oem-config? :) | 00:28 |
| achiang | ah, the answer is "nothing" because i hit the button1 stuck issue | 00:28 |
| achiang | feh | 00:28 |
| vanhoof | you're landscape? | 00:29 |
| achiang | yeah | 00:29 |
| * vanhoof must have small fingers | 00:29 | |
| vanhoof | i dont hit that often :) | 00:29 |
| vanhoof | achiang: if you get bored play w/ sound | 00:30 |
| vanhoof | i had some troubling noises today playing radio w/ rb | 00:31 |
| vanhoof | not sure if its my own breakage | 00:31 |
| vanhoof | achiang: but now you have dailys to flash ;) | 00:33 |
| achiang | from here on out, it's dist-upgrade every day, baby | 00:33 |
| * sfeole reads scrollback | 02:14 | |
| sfeole | achiang, vanhoof , infinity : Yea guys, I went on a wiki updating rampage today. sort of sloppy but got the job done. Everything should be up there, updating instructions / new features / some bug updates etc... | 02:16 |
| * sfeole goes back into his cave | 02:16 | |
| sfeole | also i fixed the 2nd heading for installed 13.04 on the nexus7, looks like my draft never saved. | 02:20 |
| sfeole | it now says "Manually Installing... blah blah" | 02:21 |
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| wookey_ | infinity: I see you fixed tcl crossing. What did you do about multiarching the tclconfig.sh path? | 10:37 |
| infinity | wookey_: I didn't touch tcl, just tk. | 10:38 |
| wookey_ | Or did you just fix tcl bulding itself, not anything building against it? | 10:38 |
| infinity | wookey_: Though, tk builds against tcl, so maybe someone already fixed the thing you're talking about. | 10:38 |
| gurgalof | aww, I want to run 13.04 on the nexus, but I need Bluetooth... | 10:38 |
| wookey_ | OK. That would be good if true - I've beenwondering what to do about it for months :-) | 10:39 |
| wookey_ | I see you had a go at apr too - is there a bug for that? It was an abomination when we looked at it a couple of years back | 10:39 |
| wookey_ | somebody tried to add cross-support but did it in a completely broken way | 10:39 |
| infinity | wookey_: I'm holding off on filing bugs (or committing directly) to apr/apr-util/apache2 until I'm happy with my "solutions" (and I use that term loosely). | 10:40 |
| infinity | wookey_: apr and apache2 work in Ubuntu now (apr-util needs some twiddling with libraries it links to), but neither is pretty, so I'll likely revisit. | 10:40 |
| wookey_ | I have a really long mail for the apache people that we weren't allowed to send a couple of yrears back, asking what tey thought they were _trying_ to do | 10:40 |
| wookey_ | so we could work out how to fix it properly | 10:41 |
| infinity | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/124947530/apr_1.4.6-3_1.4.6-3ubuntu1.diff.gz | 10:41 |
| infinity | ^-- The ugly is just a bunch of autoconf cache preseeding. | 10:41 |
| infinity | But there's got to be a less hideous way. | 10:41 |
| infinity | As for apache2 itself, it's all fixed upstream, I just had to backport patches. | 10:42 |
| wookey_ | Ah cool | 10:42 |
| infinity | (And fix debian/rules to be less retarded) | 10:42 |
| infinity | So, I'll probably commit the apache2 stuff to Debian (or file a bug and make sf do it), but the apr/apr-utils things need some thought, I think. | 10:43 |
| infinity | And, really, apache is useless without apr, so... | 10:43 |
| raster | mooo | 12:04 |
| * Tassadar hides the gnomes | 12:11 | |
| raster | i'm not here to gorge on gnomes today | 12:12 |
| raster | yargh | 12:22 |
| raster | what is the magic to get sound out of this little beastie | 12:22 |
| Tassadar | You mean n7? | 12:24 |
| raster | yeah | 12:28 |
| raster | i have gotten it to hiss at me | 12:28 |
| raster | and thats about it | 12:28 |
| raster | yes - i know - suspend and resume | 12:28 |
| raster | doesnt do squat | 12:28 |
| raster | i've been swizzling everythng randomly in alsamixer for a while to try see what low-level knob makes it work | 12:31 |
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| marvin24 | nvidia just published tegra boot process description: ftp://download.nvidia.com/tegra-public-appnotes/tegra-boot-flow.html | 13:22 |
| marvin24 | (for those who didn't got it yet) | 13:22 |
| raster | nv is getting better at this | 13:23 |
| RaYmAn | sadly, it's not much use on most 'real' devices (given they are locked mostly down), but it's a nice move either way | 13:24 |
| raster | not much nv can do there | 13:26 |
| raster | thats oems | 13:26 |
| RaYmAn | indeed | 13:26 |
| * RaYmAn looks at google | 13:26 | |
| raster | i have a working nexus7 | 13:26 |
| raster | minus sound | 13:26 |
| raster | i cant divine how to make it peep | 13:26 |
| RaYmAn | raster: it's just a pity e.g. google makes the n7 unlockable and then locks down the bootloader still. :/ | 13:28 |
| raster | well to some extent thats to avoid bricking | 13:28 |
| raster | oems are paranoid about having hoards of users send in bricked devices under warranty | 13:29 |
| RaYmAn | tegra is unbrickable if you have access to APX mode (e.g. tegrarcm) | 13:29 |
| marvin24 | well, there is still the rom bootloader, which cannot be bricked by nature | 13:29 |
| marvin24 | on the other hand, who cares if the locked bl can load an unlocked one? | 13:30 |
| raster | if a user cant boot it to a state of a ui withotu some cruptic pc tools | 13:30 |
| raster | then its a brick | 13:30 |
| raster | form an oem pov | 13:30 |
| raster | fastboot is not an answer in their eyes | 13:30 |
| marvin24 | write a simple tools then | 13:30 |
| raster | it has to be unbrickable without tools | 13:30 |
| raster | ie withotu needint to plug it into a pc and "use tools" | 13:30 |
| raster | same with plugging in special mucro-sd cards with rescue images etc. | 13:31 |
| RaYmAn | but how is that different from now? users could easily perceive it as bricked even if they have fastboot. | 13:31 |
| RaYmAn | and that is possible now | 13:31 |
| raster | dont they stil lock the bootloader down | 13:32 |
| raster | but the rest u can play with as u like | 13:32 |
| lilstevie | flash a non working kernel to both boot and recovery | 13:32 |
| raster | so long as u use the bootloader to boot it | 13:32 |
| raster | ala the ubuntu nexus77 images | 13:32 |
| RaYmAn | lilstevie: isn't that fixed on n7? | 13:32 |
| lilstevie | and it will be in the state you just called a brick | 13:32 |
| lilstevie | RaYmAn, yeah, n7 also uses scratch rather than msc for bootloader messages | 13:32 |
| RaYmAn | hm | 13:33 |
| lilstevie | RaYmAn, but I am referring to "<raster> fastboot is not an answer in their eyes" | 13:33 |
| RaYmAn | did you test if that works on tf201? | 13:33 |
| lilstevie | RaYmAn, I did not | 13:33 |
| lilstevie | RaYmAn, it is in the shutdown kernel code | 13:33 |
| raster | lilstevie: i work for an oem | 13:33 |
| raster | if ti requires anything more than absolute basic knowledge to fix | 13:34 |
| lilstevie | raster, still doesn't change the fact, even unlocking a device will cause the definition you just called "brick" | 13:34 |
| raster | (press a reset button for example) it's undesired and everything is done to avoid it | 13:34 |
| raster | problem is a reset button is also aloiability in normal use | 13:34 |
| raster | lilstevie: yes - its a risk google has pushed asus to do | 13:35 |
| lilstevie | raster, that asus also offer on their entire tegra 3 range | 13:35 |
| raster | prbably so google can use the n7 itself for hacking as well as allow others to do custom android roms and otherwise spread android around in general | 13:35 |
| RaYmAn | raster: tbh, if oems wanted to get around that, it *should* be possible to hook up boot strap pins in such a way that it can boot a special (signed) image incl. bootloader from sdcard. Then a win app that writes the sdcard | 13:36 |
| RaYmAn | also, they could just charge to fix bricks that could be fixed with e.g. nvflash if it was available | 13:37 |
| raster | RaYmAn: you expect them to figure out all for a tiny percentage of their customerbase | 13:38 |
| raster | when they can just continue with the old solution they have used for many years | 13:38 |
| RaYmAn | nah, I've lost faith in them bothering to do such stuff long ago | 13:41 |
| raster | so have most | 13:41 |
| raster | :) | 13:41 |
| RaYmAn | though, it would probably cut down on software repair costs =P | 13:41 |
| RaYmAn | anyways, your argument was that e.g. nvflash was too complex for normal users (I disagree) - there's plenty of ways they could make it simpler | 13:42 |
| raster | u are free to sit in meetings with some taiwanese, korea, etc. ppl and make your argument | 13:43 |
| raster | :) | 13:43 |
| RaYmAn | I don't expect an invitation any time soon | 13:44 |
| RaYmAn | ;) | 13:44 |
| raster | i've been there, done that... many times over the years :) | 13:44 |
| raster | and i get the bonus of the "listen to me" badge onmy chest | 13:45 |
| raster | even then its insanely hard | 13:45 |
| lilstevie | although they may have to soon if the sony tool thing catches on | 13:45 |
| raster | the things that make themj move.. is if someone else moves | 13:45 |
| raster | and if it means market share gain, profits or somethnig | 13:46 |
| raster | that gets attention | 13:46 |
| RaYmAn | yeah, that's a pretty decent way of doing it - nice and semi-userfriendly tool that installs drivers and reflashes devices. It would be fairly easy for e.g. asus or google to do something similar with a custom nvflash for n7 | 13:46 |
| RaYmAn | raster: incidentally, it's amusing they spend so many resources on locking down things. You'd think it would be less resources to just make it open :) | 13:51 |
| gurgalof_mobil | i flashed raring using the tool in ubuntu, but i only get a 8GB partition on my 32GB nexus7 | 13:51 |
| raster | RaYmAn: the locking down has already been done and it was a product requirement from the product specs team to begin with | 13:53 |
| raster | or something like that | 13:53 |
| gurgalof_mobil | and i have a black bar under the notification bar in raring | 13:55 |
| RaYmAn | raster: it's a choice e.g. google makes. Of course it has already been done, but it's still a choice they made | 13:57 |
| RaYmAn | and then you have stuff like the arm chromebook which is completely open/unlockable. | 13:57 |
| raster | a choice made by a product specs dept that doesnt knowq nor care about hackers/development | 13:58 |
| raster | as they are not | 13:58 |
| raster | they expect the o9nly development happens inside this engineering dept they have | 13:58 |
| raster | and nowhere else | 13:58 |
| RaYmAn | I somehow doubt google is that naive | 13:58 |
| raster | people wanting to hack on their PRODUCTs is a bizarre foreign concept to them | 13:58 |
| raster | raster: did i not mention oems above? | 13:58 |
| raster | not google? | 13:58 |
| raster | :) | 13:58 |
| RaYmAn | google is essentially an oem too :) | 13:59 |
| raster | well since they bougt moto - sure | 13:59 |
| raster | tho within large companies its not so simple | 14:00 |
| raster | its a lot of hops from left to right hand | 14:00 |
| raster | :) | 14:00 |
| gurgalof_mobil | is everyone sleeping? | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | gurgalof_mobil, NO | 14:06 |
| gurgalof_mobil | :D | 14:06 |
| gurgalof_mobil | feels like no one notices me, but ill ask again later... | 14:07 |
| gurgalof_mobil | hmm i didnt even write a question, well well | 14:07 |
| ogra_ | gurgalof_mobil, the current ikmmge only uses a 6G partition, we're working on getting it to work for bigger devices too, the broken panel shadow is known and reported as a bug already | 14:11 |
| ogra_ | *image | 14:12 |
| gurgalof_mobil | okay, thanks | 14:12 |
| gurgalof_mobil | i'll revert to quantal for the moment then | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | raster, do you use pulse in youir setup ? iirc fixing the sound was a combo of alsa UCM profiles and pulse profile changes | 14:14 |
| raster | yup | 14:14 |
| raster | pulse is there | 14:14 |
| gurgalof_mobil | oh and the slideshow in raring says 12.10 | 14:14 |
| infinity | gurgalof_mobil: It usually does for the first few months. | 14:15 |
| raster | i use it on all y setups | 14:15 |
| raster | hell | 14:15 |
| raster | my mier eeven detects pulse and is happy | 14:15 |
| infinity | gurgalof_mobil: It'll say 13.04 before release. :P | 14:15 |
| ogra_ | raster, also note that the master is muted by default ... only suspend/resume isnt enough | 14:15 |
| raster | yup | 14:15 |
| raster | i checked | 14:15 |
| raster | :) | 14:15 |
| gurgalof_mobil | :P hopefully | 14:15 |
| raster | pulse is unmuted | 14:15 |
| raster | rhythmobx doest play | 14:15 |
| ogra_ | hmmm, then i dont know | 14:15 |
| raster | aplay doesnt play (bypassing pulse going right to alsa) | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | it works flawless under unity for me | 14:16 |
| raster | weird | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | boot, suspend/resume, hit vol-up omce (easier than unmuting) always gets me sound | 14:16 |
| raster | i didnt get to test audio until i had the rest settled | 14:16 |
| infinity | ogra_: That's an odd definition of "flawless". ;) | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | heh | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | well, "as described" :) | 14:17 |
| infinity | Thou shalt swing the mutilated chicken thrice above thine head, whilst chanting "ALSA, our lord, hear my prayers." | 14:18 |
| ogra_ | *giggle* | 14:18 |
| raster | ogra_: yaaargh | 14:18 |
| raster | any info as to.. what this magic pulse + alsa magic was? | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | ask diwic during the week | 14:19 |
| raster | ok | 14:19 |
| raster | either way | 14:19 |
| raster | suspend/resume is all happy now | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | he is our sound guru and added the fixes | 14:19 |
| raster | it was wifi simply not being shut off before suspend | 14:19 |
| ogra_ | ah | 14:19 |
| raster | u have to rfkill it or it gens wake interrupts | 14:19 |
| raster | :) | 14:19 |
| raster | my screen is all nicely portraited now | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | yeah,, the pm-utils scripts care for that iirc | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | portrait with working input ? | 14:20 |
| raster | i tried the 6.1-7 xorg thing and it fixes some of the funkiness of the touch when in portrait | 14:20 |
| raster | yeah | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | oh, sweet | 14:20 |
| gurgalof_mobil | in quantal BT stays on while suspending as moving bt-mouse unsuspends it | 14:20 |
| raster | tho the pointer jumps around like its obsessed | 14:20 |
| raster | inptu works tho | 14:20 |
| ogra_ | you have a pointer ? | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | unity/compiz hides it if there isnt an actual mouse | 14:21 |
| ogra_ | (that hides such issues) | 14:21 |
| raster | yeah | 14:21 |
| raster | i haveth one | 14:22 |
| raster | i can hide it if i want | 14:22 |
| raster | i just like seeing it | 14:22 |
| raster | its kind alike a nice debug thing | 14:22 |
| raster | :) | 14:22 |
| raster | i'm down to 180m of mem usage | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | heh, yeah | 14:22 |
| raster | for some reaosn my mystery missing ram... comes back after some time | 14:23 |
| ogra_ | i think there are some oddities with the kernel | 14:23 |
| raster | definitely | 14:23 |
| raster | like on boot - 420m ram gone | 14:23 |
| raster | i compile a bunch of stuff | 14:23 |
| raster | suspend/resume a few times | 14:23 |
| ogra_ | it also shows some strange load values that i cant really confirm | 14:23 |
| raster | restart wm etc. | 14:23 |
| raster | and it goes DOWN.. to about 150-200 | 14:23 |
| raster | oh yeah | 14:24 |
| raster | and DONT use powertop | 14:24 |
| gurgalof_mobil | WAT | 14:24 |
| raster | it somehow turns off the cores | 14:24 |
| raster | and makes u have only 1 core | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | file a bug ! | 14:24 |
| raster | everything nicely slows down to a crawl | 14:24 |
| raster | :) | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | that should definitely be fixed | 14:24 |
| raster | i'll kick arjan next i get the chance | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | great | 14:24 |
| raster | :) | 14:25 |
| raster | rightr now.. i dont know what it did | 14:25 |
| lilstevie | you should confirm that is powertop that did it | 14:25 |
| raster | i was compiling at the time | 14:25 |
| raster | lilstevie: certain - i was runing htop at the time | 14:25 |
| raster | and i rant it | 14:25 |
| lilstevie | I've come across that exact issue as a kernel bug on the tf201 | 14:25 |
| raster | and then immediately everything jumpt to a single core | 14:25 |
| raster | it has never happend otherwise | 14:25 |
| raster | so far anyway | 14:25 |
| lilstevie | raster, lather rinse repeat | 14:26 |
| raster | busy lathering a lot of other things | 14:26 |
| raster | :) | 14:26 |
| lilstevie | I've never been able to trace the exact moment before, but I have never run powertop | 14:27 |
| raster | they were too suspiciously timed together | 14:27 |
| raster | i dont know if its pt's bug tho | 14:27 |
| raster | it may simply innocently do something that happens to trigger the kernel bug | 14:27 |
| raster | these things happen :) i'm rather used to them | 14:28 |
| lilstevie | someone else should probably try the above on a n7, cause if it is the case, it is n7 specific and doesn't affect T3 in general | 14:33 |
| * lilstevie just tested | 14:33 | |
| raster | i only have the n7 | 14:35 |
| raster | so... :) | 14:35 |
| lilstevie | well then :p reproduce | 14:37 |
| raster | \would love to | 14:38 |
| raster | but i'm busy with.. other fun | 14:38 |
| raster | like nixing backlight artifacts | 14:38 |
| gurgalof | where do i find the 12.10 nexus7 image? | 15:22 |
| gurgalof | or can i resize the partiton to 32GB? instead of 6? | 15:24 |
| Tassadar | http://hwe.ubuntu.com/uds-r/nexus7/ | 15:25 |
| krawi | hi all | 15:27 |
| krawi | can someone give me a hint for alsa playback on pandaboard with ubuntu 12.04 server? | 15:27 |
| krawi | in syslog: OMAP ABE Media: asoc: OMAP ABE Media no valid playback route from source to sink | 15:27 |
| krawi | in mplayer [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1293:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' failed (-22): Invalid argument | 15:28 |
| krawi | and nothing is played | 15:28 |
| krawi | one step foward | 16:04 |
| krawi | now it is: omap_hwmod: aess: _wait_target_disable failed | 16:04 |
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| krawi | got it | 17:35 |
| gurgalof | can i resize the partition on my nexus7 with gparted? | 18:30 |
| gurgalof | or is there some other way? | 18:39 |
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| gurgalof | why do we have swap enabled in 13.04 on nexus7? | 19:14 |
| gurgalof | I think everyone is sleeping again... | 19:16 |
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