[11:28] <bdrung> FYI, nautilus in raring is totally crippled IMO. The tree view is gone and the menu has just one item.
[11:29] <bdrung> will some features come back until the release?
[11:59] <desrt> bdrung: menu has just one item?
[12:02] <bdrung> desrt: the top menu has just one item
[12:02] <desrt> is it 'quit'?
[12:02] <desrt> that sounds like a bug...
[12:03] <desrt> should have ~8
[12:03] <desrt> (new window, connect to server, enter location...)
[12:05] <bdrung> desrt: i refer to the top of that.
[12:05] <desrt> oh.
[12:05] <desrt> like one submenu called 'Nautilus"?
[12:05] <bdrung> yes
[12:06] <desrt> that's intentional
[12:06] <bdrung> it's called "persönlicher ordner" (in German)
[12:06] <desrt> nautilus upstream is working on a fix for the release so that we have 3 menus
[12:06] <bdrung> will the tree view come back?
[12:06] <desrt> meanwhile i doubt the treeview will ever come back
[12:07] <desrt> there is new code for a common sidebar shared between nautilus and the file chooser
[12:07] <desrt> i don't think that's landed yet...
[12:07] <bdrung> nautilus is going down the wrong route
[12:07] <desrt> not everyone agrees with you
[12:08] <bdrung> removing a feature without providing an alternative is not nice
[12:08] <desrt> i'd be more angry about the missing compact mode :)
[12:09] <bdrung> i use the list mode (so i haven't discovered that)
[12:09] <desrt> anyway... quite a lot of people are happy with the new changes
[12:09] <desrt> and they're very much in-line with GNOME and Ubuntu's desires to move away from using menus
[12:11] <bdrung> how do you move a file from one directory to another?
[12:11] <bdrung> a/b/c to d/e
[12:11] <desrt> i can think of several ways to do that... can you be more specific about the one you're thinking about that disappeared?
[12:12] <bdrung> i usually go into a/b/c and drag the file to d/e in the tree view
[12:12] <desrt> ah
[12:12] <desrt> ya.  that's gone, unfortunately
[12:13] <desrt> you could ask upstream nautilus about that
[12:13] <desrt> cosimoc is the guy you want to talk to -- but don't tell him i told you to :p
[12:13] <bdrung> through which media?
[12:14] <desrt> bdrung: a ping on IRC is probably best... i doubt a bug or mailing lists would help anybody at this point (since all of these things have been discussed quite a lot)
[12:14] <desrt> good to let the upstream maintainer personally know that you miss a feature, though
[12:14] <bdrung> desrt: in which channel?
[12:14] <desrt> and maybe he can give you a justification or suggest a good alternative new feature for your usecase
[12:15] <desrt> bdrung: many of them on irc.gnome.org... maybe #nautilus ?
[13:40] <desrt> larsu: good morning
[13:56] <larsu> desrt, hi!
[14:55] <smspillaz> desrt: lol, compact view
[14:56] <desrt> smspillaz: srsly.
[14:57] <smspillaz> desrt: To be honest, I think apple is worse when it comes to removing old features than gnome really
[14:57] <smspillaz> I had to upgrade mum's old mac to 10.7 today and
[14:57] <smspillaz> oh wait, no, they removed it from the store
[14:57] <smspillaz> its not compatible with 10.8
[14:58] <smspillaz> and she's stuck with an unusable iphone until we get get in the usb key to upgrade it
[14:58] <smspillaz> #macworldproblems
[23:51] <PureAdrenallen> Hello all, I'm about to install ubuntu for the first time ever and i was wondering what the install size was related to? Does that limit the size of space on my HDD for all files I use when I use that OS?