[02:01] <pgraner> barry, I don't think anyone recorded it, I haven't even seen video
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[16:51] <stgraber> cjwatson: image of my external disk is at: http://www.stgraber.org/download/uefi-sb-precise.tar.xz (1.6GB compressed, 32GB uncompressed)
[16:56] <cjwatson> stgraber: thanks
[17:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok, singularly unhelpful; I hold down 'alt' on this MacBook Air, it gives me an EFI boot menu, I choose the USB stick (which is just a dd of the raring image), and I get the GRUB menu with no problems
[17:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: any idea how I should be doing this to reproduce the *not* working cases? :)
[18:19] <ScottK> The answer might be "get an older Mac"
[18:21] <slangasek> yeah, maybe
[18:21] <slangasek> this one is a 4,something
[18:22] <slangasek> (4,2?  I don't have dmidecode output pulled up anymore)
[18:25] <slangasek> 12.04.1 gives me the syslinux menu instead, which at least confirms that something was fixed Mac-wise in the image booting during the SB work
[18:26] <slangasek> (12.10 also gives the grub-efi menu)
[18:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What version is your Macbook?
[18:29] <slangasek> correction, 4,1
[18:38] <shadeslayer> 4,2
[18:38] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:38] <shadeslayer> 8,2
[18:38] <shadeslayer> getting Ubuntu to EFI boot on a mac is ... interesting
[18:39] <shadeslayer> kms drivers conflict, you have to boot with radeon.modeset=0 ... and then use the fbdev driver for X
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[19:20] <slangasek> shadeslayer: right; the radeon driver is something sforshee is working with upstream on AIUI, at the moment I'm mostly concerned about making sure we have the image layout correct so that it boots everywhere
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:21] <shadeslayer> slangasek: I actually have to make grub-efi loopmount the ISO and then boot it
[19:21] <shadeslayer> that's the only way to get EFI booting on my mac
[19:21] <slangasek> and is that the case with 12.10 / raring as well?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> but I'll be happy to test out stuff
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:21] <slangasek> ok
[19:22] <slangasek> hmm, but wait
[19:22] <anoteng> Hello, bug #1087999 can be easily fixed by copying the newer upstream version from raring. I believe I know which upstream commit fixed the bug, but since the upstream changelog is small and transgui is neither widely used nor has any reverse dependencies I believe it would be ok to sync from raring. Do you guys concur, or do I have to prepare a patched version of the version already in quantal?
[19:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087999 in transgui (Ubuntu) "UI event focus stuck in some pane, impossible to reach the rest of the UI" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087999
[19:22] <slangasek> where is the copy of grub-efi that's being booted?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> it's a combination of doing this : http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=UEFI_Boot#preparing_the_USB_stick : and untarring this : http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/efi.tar.xz : in the root dir of the USB
[19:23] <slangasek> anoteng: not really the right place for the question; try asking on #ubuntu-devel?
[19:23] <ScottK> anoteng: It's better to grab the single commit and prepare an SRU based on that.
[19:23] <ScottK> But that too.
[19:23] <shadeslayer> slangasek: it's on the root dir of the USB stick
[19:23] <shadeslayer> but the USB stick itself needs to be prepared in a special way as described on that wiki page
[19:23] <slangasek> shadeslayer: so, er, have you tried just dd'ing a hybrid image to the USB stick?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> yes, didn't work the last time I tried it in quantal
[19:24] <shadeslayer> but haven't tried in raring
[19:24] <slangasek> shadeslayer: was that with the quantal release, or was it before release?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> it was with the release iirc
[19:24] <slangasek> because there were changes in the image mastering during 12.10 development
[19:24] <shadeslayer> I see
[19:24] <slangasek> related to secure boot, but may have also benefited macs
[19:24] <shadeslayer> ok, I'll try with the Kubuntu alpha release
[19:25] <shadeslayer> ( raring alpha that is )
[19:30] <slangasek> shadeslayer: cool, looking forward to hearing the results
[19:31] <shadeslayer> slangasek: is there some way I can track the status of the radeon issue?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> having to use fbdev sucks :(
[19:33] <slangasek> shadeslayer: well, there's an upstream discussion for it, https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/25/442; I don't know whether there's a bug in LP, you might check with sforshee
[19:33] <shadeslayer> cool
[19:34] <shadeslayer> slangasek: thx for the link
[20:44] <shadeslayer> wohoo
[20:44] <shadeslayer> slangasek: it works!
[20:45] <shadeslayer> now the only problem is the radeon stuff ....
[20:45] <slangasek> shadeslayer: hah, ok :)
[20:46] <slangasek> shadeslayer: and the radeon problem shows up only when doing EFI boot, correct?
[20:46] <shadeslayer> if someone fixes the radeon stuff in raring I'll have to stop considering buying a new laptop \o/
[20:46] <shadeslayer> slangasek: right
[20:46] <shadeslayer> in BIOS mode the intel card doesn't get picked up
[20:47] <shadeslayer> and the HDD is accessed via IDE
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[22:56] <slangasek> that's odd; installing raring onto the mac mini, it now reboots straight into grub even if I hold down lwin
[22:56] <slangasek> have to grab a grub shell and type 'exit' to get back to refit
[22:56] <slangasek> (grub gives an OSX boot option which seems to not quite work)
[23:42] <phillw> slangasek: oh for PPC to actually boot into grub :)
[23:59] <slangasek> heh, that's an entirely different question