| andylockran | get akk | 00:44 |
|---|---|---|
| andylockran | hey all even | 00:44 |
| penguin42 | evenin | 00:45 |
| andylockran | how goes things? | 00:46 |
| penguin42 | yeh ok | 00:47 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 08:55 |
| Azelphur | can anyone explain how this device works? http://www.screwfix.com/p/deedlock-dorcas-8-12v-ac-dc-electric-rim-lock-release-mortice/19768 | 09:20 |
| MooDoo | electro magnetic? | 09:23 |
| Azelphur | yea I gathered that, but is it like a dead bolt? | 09:25 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: that's when Usain expires. A dead Bolt. | 09:26 |
| Azelphur | lol | 09:26 |
| MooDoo | Azelphur: If it's like the one at work they are used in conjuction with normal locks, you just unlock the door and have it locked with the electric one | 09:48 |
| Azelphur | MooDoo: oh, I was interested in something fully automated, so that I could unlock my houses front door with my hpone | 09:49 |
| Azelphur | phone* | 09:49 |
| MooDoo | Azelphur: smarty pants :D | 09:49 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 09:49 |
| jacobw | morning | 09:53 |
| MooDoo | morning | 09:55 |
| jacobw | how do MooDoo ? | 10:01 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:24 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 10:26 |
| SuperMatt | I just wish valve would release portal and half-life for linux already | 10:26 |
| brobostigon | morning SuperMatt | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | I really want to play a deep single player game right now | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | with lots of shooting | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Ahoy | 10:48 |
| BigRedS | SuperMatt: Serious Sam | 11:29 |
| BigRedS | Lots of dumb enemies, even more ammunition | 11:29 |
| bigcalm | :D | 11:30 |
| BigRedS | works on Linux | 11:30 |
| SuperMatt | I know, but it's not engaging | 11:39 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it's just wandering around shooting and sledgehammering things | 11:43 |
| Azelphur | hmm, my washing machine cycle has finished and the barrel is still full of water... | 11:53 |
| Azelphur | it's a trap :o | 11:53 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I was wondering what communities people have joined on google Plus recently ? .. It's spreading like wildfire !!! | 12:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: clogged drain? drain exit higher than washing machine? (siphon effect?) | 12:28 |
| * Azelphur shrugs | 12:28 | |
| Azelphur | it didn't do it first time I used it, I'm giving it another run atm to see if that fixes it | 12:28 |
| * jacobw is trying weechat | 12:51 | |
| bigcalm | Tum te tum | 14:38 |
| === WillemTheMarxist is now known as GentileBen | ||
| ammar_ | hello every body | 14:45 |
| ammar_ | i need some hlp | 14:45 |
| haqe17 | Im getting this error when trying to start firefox (and other software) from the terminal: "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1" im running 12.04 | 14:46 |
| * penguin42 yaaaawwwwwnnnnns | 16:01 | |
| MartijnVdS | \o Pendulum | 16:01 |
| MartijnVdS | hr | 16:01 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42 | 16:01 |
| MartijnVdS | pen<tab> isn't even enough anymore! | 16:02 |
| penguin42 | quiet isn't it | 16:02 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: Just slept for 2 hours.. *yawn* | 16:02 |
| penguin42 | that sounds good | 16:02 |
| MartijnVdS | I think work was a bit too intense the past week ;) | 16:02 |
| MartijnVdS | with the big release, and "post-release bugfix day" coinciding with the company-wide "One-day bugfix day" | 16:03 |
| penguin42 | ah, big release on a Friday? | 16:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Wednesday | 16:04 |
| MartijnVdS | well | 16:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Wednesday night/Thursday morning | 16:04 |
| penguin42 | haha, startup ? | 16:04 |
| jacobw | welcome back to conciousness | 16:04 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: nah, big database change and coworkers that need to be able to access customer information when they call, it was all properly scheduled.. we just forgot about post-release bugfix day | 16:05 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: and how "post-release day" was already a management-designated "let's fix some other bugs"-day | 16:06 |
| penguin42 | oh that's unfair | 16:06 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: to be fair to the project manager, this was the first management-ordered "bugfix day" (it's supposed to become a monthly thing) | 16:08 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Sounds like the thing to do is line up a pile of bug fixes before hand ready to checkin (depending if everyone else does the same :-) | 16:09 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: yeah, next time.. :) | 16:09 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: they had a list a week beforehand, most were 2-liners :) | 16:10 |
| MartijnVdS | (from the "why didn't you report the bug, instead of working around it for months" school) | 16:11 |
| penguin42 | perfect | 16:11 |
| MartijnVdS | what? the annoying school of unreported bugs? ;) | 16:13 |
| MartijnVdS | or the pre-announcement? | 16:14 |
| penguin42 | I meant 2 line fixes :-) | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | :) | 16:20 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: My first fix on the project I joined a couple of months back was a single ! - it took a few days to find that it was needed though :-) | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | those are the nasty ones | 16:21 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: An interesting way to learn a big new codebase | 16:21 |
| popey | evening all! | 16:57 |
| solarcloud | hi popey. | 17:13 |
| solarcloud | you thoughts on google communitiesw so far ? | 17:13 |
| popey | solarcloud, its forums | 17:21 |
| solarcloud | popey, 'phpBB' I don't think so, matey. | 17:30 |
| popey | it functions the same as a forum | 17:30 |
| popey | one where everyone is pre-authed | 17:30 |
| penguin42 | It seems a little odd; they've not got it working on mobile yet (which is where I mostly read G+ in the week) and they have an option for monitoring a forum or not, and it's binary but enables monitoring on about 3 different things | 17:59 |
| MartijnVdS | google and social always has some.. startup problems :) | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Hey hey, Orkut was one of the earliest on the block | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: they bought orkut | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | they didn't _make_ it | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | touche - didn't know that | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Buzz was their own first try :) | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | I think | 18:03 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | popey, Whaqt does 'pre-authed' mean ... pre-authored or pre-authenitcated ? | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | authenticated | 18:04 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | how is that a bad thing ?? | 18:05 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I thnk popey, misses the point [ big time ]. | 18:08 |
| MartijnVdS | I think popey understands it | 18:08 |
| MartijnVdS | But some people just aren't forums people | 18:08 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I've tended not to like forums, although if it integrated well with g+ that I check every day on my mobile then it would work ok | 18:09 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | having used phpBB .. for a long time .. I think that G+ communities is more of a blog stream than a forum. Forum are crap place where you get spammed .. I have never been spammed on G+ yet ! | 18:09 |
| MartijnVdS | I just replied to one post in the Ubuntu G+ community, now I get spammed with the red "1" every time | 18:10 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | .. & it will save the desktop too ! | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | which I don't like.. as an inbox-zero kind of person | 18:10 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Can you mute that thread like you can on the rest of G+ though? | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | and you can mute it, but then you mute the person who asked the question, not the thread | 18:10 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | .. the notifier .. is not a spam device .. if the cooker alarm went off .. Would you regard that as spam ? | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | solarcloud_3scrn: I only want it to go red if there's something important | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | solarcloud_3scrn: replies to the same question as I answered don't count as important to me | 18:11 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | .. Yjust dont like the colour, that's al. | 18:12 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | *al. | 18:12 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | **all | 18:12 |
| MartijnVdS | no, it's the "There's something important!" status of it | 18:12 |
| Darael | MartijnVdS: Another inbox-zero kind of person? I meet so few! | 18:12 |
| MartijnVdS | Don't shout that something is important if it's not :)~ | 18:12 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Oh, I thought G+ you could mute a thread | 18:12 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | my keyboard has mucked up, bye. | 18:13 |
| Darael | Well, that was abrupt. | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | Darael: I keep it as empty as possible.. | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | Darael: I can't stand unread/unprocessed mail/messages | 18:14 |
| Darael | MartijnVdS: I acknowledged a long time ago that I couldn't read everything, but only because so much of it was mailing lists &c. So I filter all that out, and I can generally keep the main inbox clear of unread stuff. I'm just surprised that so few other people even /try/ to keep theirs clear. | 18:15 |
| Darael | Hmmm. Come to think of it, a multi-target bayesian filter would be really very cool. Not just spam/notspam, or even the thing gmail has now (possibly in labs) where it gives broad category labels, but arbitrarily many categories. | 18:17 |
| penguin42 | Darael: Then wire it up to something that sends sarcastic replies | 18:18 |
| Darael | penguin42: For certain categories. Yes. | 18:19 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | the email 'box' is just a repository, Whether you've readi it now, or reading it later it makes litle diference. Just so long as you have a copy :) | 18:19 |
| Darael | solarcloud_3scrn: Debatable. Quite a lot of the information contained in emails degrades in usefulness over time. Therefore it is better to be up to date. | 18:19 |
| jacobw | forum threads trend towards being repetitve | 18:20 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | that is just the difference of current and not current . It is just a case of 'keeping a record' for me. | 18:21 |
| jacobw | they get to so many pages, so new participants read only the last few pages and have the same conversation over and over again | 18:21 |
| Darael | solarcloud_3scrn: Which is why things that do not go "out of date" get read or shunted out of the inbox. | 18:22 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Why be at the mercy of an 'inbox number' anyway . it's just a number ! | 18:22 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | I have 70,000 unread emails . who gives a funk ? | 18:22 |
| Darael | Different attitudes. Filtering out things that don't need to be dealt with reasonably soon means that the unread-count for the main inbox becomes a things-I-haven't-dealt-with-yet-that-I-probably-ought-to count. | 18:22 |
| jacobw | your filesystem does | 18:22 |
| Darael | jacobw: Be fair. It doesn't care if they're read or not, merely how many of them there are. Well, I suppose there's an argument for maildir usage where they move from new to cur, but... | 18:23 |
| jacobw | :) | 18:23 |
| jacobw | i'm being silly | 18:24 |
| Darael | solarcloud_3scrn: I may have that many in neatly sectioned off places, but they stay /out/ of my inbox. It makes it much easier to keep track of whether anything new has come in. | 18:24 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | k | 18:24 |
| Darael | jacobw: I gathered. I reserve the right to take silly at face value if that entertains me more than reading it as intended. | 18:25 |
| jacobw | :D | 18:25 |
| jacobw | i use my inbox for mail not part of another process, if i develop a process for handling a kind of mail, then i filter it to another mailbox | 18:45 |
| SuperEngineer | https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do ...ho-hummm -here we go again | 18:48 |
| jacobw | free software and privacy are seperate issues to my mind | 18:54 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | SuperEngineer, is this about jono's post ? | 18:55 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | or should I say jo-NO's ! post. | 18:55 |
| penguin42 | jacobw: Probably true; although there is a certain bizarre/cathedral thing about it - would a feature like the one he's complaining about ever gone into a traditional open source project? | 18:56 |
| SuperEngineer | free software and privacy - as in life - carry the unwritten warning "user beware".. unlike other OS's where "user watch out - you're in danger" to my mind | 18:56 |
| popey | <solarcloud_3scrn> I thnk popey, misses the point [ big time ]. | 18:56 |
| popey | wut? | 18:56 |
| SuperEngineer | ..and solarcloud_3scrn - yes | 18:56 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | gogle comunities does not equal forums. | 18:57 |
| popey | it very much is like a forum | 18:57 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | like is not the same as phpB. | 18:57 |
| popey | with a set of users already authenticated | 18:57 |
| SuperEngineer | solarcloud_3scrn: why does popey miss the point? he was the first one on the point! | 18:57 |
| popey | it's very much like phpBB, with a set of authenticated users | 18:57 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | authentification is irelevant to gogle . they just want to share stuf. | 18:58 |
| popey | a centralised system, unlike a lot of disparate forums | 18:58 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | soz my keyboard is playing up. | 18:58 |
| jacobw | IMO, Stallman's views are based on concerns about many issues disguised as an objection to a single practice | 18:58 |
| popey | some people will migrate to it | 18:59 |
| popey | i know I'll be more likely to use google communities than ubuntu forums | 18:59 |
| penguin42 | popey: I think it'll be interesting to see what happens on the mobile view; the problem I've had with G+ is that following a 'topic' based page (e.g. ScienceSunday) ends up dominating the stream so I can't see the status chats from everyone, and I'm not sure how that will change/work with communities | 18:59 |
| popey | or any other random forums | 18:59 |
| popey | the fact that it's integrated into a social network I'm already on, is a bonus | 18:59 |
| popey | i almost _never_ sign up for new forums anywhere | 18:59 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | popey, if you lok at somthing like the linuxbasix.com forum and the goggle commuinity forum they are worlds apart. | 19:00 |
| jacobw | i.e. the free software is bad if it's associated with anything that Stallman has concerns about it | 19:00 |
| popey | no, they aren't | 19:00 |
| popey | they are http forums | 19:00 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | in terms of useage they are worlds apart. | 19:00 |
| popey | there are categories, there are notifications, there are moderators | 19:00 |
| popey | I don't know what you mean | 19:00 |
| popey | "usage" as in "you use a browser"? | 19:00 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | wel then go lok at the forums that i mentioned :) | 19:01 |
| popey | i dont need to | 19:01 |
| popey | I'm 40, I know what forums look like | 19:01 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | great, u know it al, then. | 19:01 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | gotta go. | 19:01 |
| SuperEngineer | well that's one way of running away! | 19:02 |
| * solarcloud_3scrn fixing keyboard :( | 19:03 | |
| SuperEngineer | btw popey I could have sworn you were "27" - I've been "27" for nearly 2 decades :) | 19:04 |
| penguin42 | popey: Ah, as ancient as me | 19:05 |
| SuperEngineer | ...well, nearly 3 decades actually [he says giving too much away] | 19:05 |
| SuperEngineer | aww come on someone - say "surely not!" | 19:07 |
| jacobw | surely not | 19:11 |
| SuperEngineer | thankyou | 19:11 |
| === d0m is now known as dw4tkins | ||
| jacobw | i wish to FSF was less doom mongering | 19:19 |
| jacobw | s/to/the/ | 19:19 |
| dwatkins | I'm in two minds about it, jacobw - on the one hand this sort of thing needs pointing out, but on the other, I have issues with the way RMS said what he did. | 19:21 |
| dwatkins | as you say, scaremongering, paraphrased. | 19:21 |
| jacobw | free software protects users from malicous software / [because of the inclusion of the shopping lens] ubuntu has become a counter example | 19:24 |
| SuperEngineer | is the code for Ubuntu suddenly not available then? | 19:26 |
| jacobw | that just doesn't follow, integration with a proprietary service does not make free software malicous software | 19:26 |
| shauno | I'm not sure I'd agree. if my mac did the same thing, I can just imagine the headlines | 19:32 |
| penguin42 | jacobw: I agree it's scare mongering, but I basically agree with the sentiment | 19:33 |
| jacobw | i don't like because i don't want the performance of my launcher to depend on the responsiveness of web services | 19:34 |
| SuperEngineer | jacobw: that is the nearest thing to a sensible objection so far... good thinking | 19:36 |
| jacobw | i don't have moral objections to graphical shells :| | 19:37 |
| penguin42 | My main problem is that it makes something that was previously just a local thing now go external; and thus it's only by thinking you know you're potentially leaking something - and that's a dangerous precident | 19:38 |
| jacobw | i don't see these kind of architecture as local operations going external | 19:43 |
| jacobw | s/these/this/ | 19:44 |
| penguin42 | jacobw: Well in the previous version stuff you typed in the search box was entirely local; someone upgrading or someone who didn't know about the feature would blindly carrying on thinking stuff was local | 19:44 |
| popey | <jacobw> i don't like because i don't want the performance of my launcher to depend on the responsiveness of web services | 19:46 |
| popey | it shouldn't be | 19:46 |
| popey | the scopes are asynchronous | 19:46 |
| popey | if it is slowed by the shopping results then it's a bug which should be filed | 19:46 |
| jacobw | popey: the dash updates each time a result comes back from the query, it's not responsive during that time | 19:53 |
| popey | what isnt responsive? | 19:53 |
| jacobw | popey: while testing quantal, i found that if i searched for something in the launcher, while the dash was searching amazon it was slow to backspace or switch to an application | 19:55 |
| popey | i can't reproduce that here | 19:56 |
| jacobw | popey: i haven't tested this since quantal was released, i follow the reasoning that scopes being asynchronous shouldn't block the shell on a query but it still requires multiple updates of the dash for each search | 19:58 |
| SuperEngineer | some words of wisdom found a few secounds ago: http://randall.executiv.es/bestsearchintheworld | 19:58 |
| SuperEngineer | hmm *seconds | 19:59 |
| SuperEngineer | time to go eat heating replacement home made stu - see yaz all later | 20:18 |
| salzb | t | 20:30 |
| penguin42 | v ? | 20:31 |
| jacobw | i have a strange problem with virt-install, i'm trying to use --location to get the initrd and kernel by http, the files download to /var/lib/libvirt/boot but disappear as soon as virt-install exits, so libvirt can't use the files to boot the VM | 20:47 |
| === davie_ is now known as Guest22275 | ||
| hazrpg | hey all \o | 21:59 |
| hazrpg | hows things? | 21:59 |
| hazrpg | Anyone good with looking at ALSA issues? Cos for some reason, no matter what audio input device I use, I'm getting a lot of white noise: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e0c6fb7e10624bf7691aa2b405cf0d3968e56c63 | 22:01 |
| brobostigon | evening hazrpg | 22:01 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon: good evening ^_^ | 22:01 |
| brobostigon | :) | 22:02 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon: long time no see :) | 22:02 |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: yes, definatly. :) | 22:02 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon: how's things? | 22:03 |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: good bits, and bad. and you? | 22:03 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon: same... | 22:03 |
| dwatkins | does anyone know of a good set of browser-controllable mains plug adapters for UK plugs? | 22:04 |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: :) :( | 22:04 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon: currently living in EG at the moment, so trying to be a bit active on ubuntu-eg more recently (just cos it helps to know the people for meetups, etc ^_^) | 22:04 |
| popey | dwatkins, browser controllable? | 22:04 |
| popey | dwatkins, what do you hope to control? | 22:04 |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: EG ? | 22:04 |
| dwatkins | popey: yeah, so I can press buttons on an internally-served webpage (in my flat) and turn on or off a light, printer, monitor etc. | 22:05 |
| hazrpg | popey: think he's referring to plugs that can be turned on/off via a browser, am I right? dwatkins | 22:05 |
| popey | oh i see | 22:05 |
| dwatkins | yeah hazrpg | 22:05 |
| hazrpg | not sure I know of any, but I'll have a quick look | 22:05 |
| dwatkins | I have a remote control for mains socket adapters, but the reception isn't so good, and I tend to lose the controller | 22:05 |
| dwatkins | I've looked around but can't see any for home use - we had one at work in my last job, but I imagine it was quite expensive | 22:06 |
| dwatkins | I guess the alternative is to write my own with X10 adapters | 22:06 |
| dwatkins | I was looking at http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/categories/X10-Home-Automation/X10-Computer-Control/ previously | 22:07 |
| brobostigon | !ubuntu-eg | 22:09 |
| dwatkins | #ubuntu-eg, the Egyptian Ubuntu channel? ;) | 22:10 |
| brobostigon | ah, :) | 22:10 |
| brobostigon | i couldnt put my finger, on which country it referred to. | 22:11 |
| dwatkins | ahh, I just looked it up here http://userpage.chemie.fu-berlin.de/diverse/doc/ISO_3166.html | 22:11 |
| brobostigon | :) | 22:11 |
| dwatkins | (note: that standard has the United Kindgom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as 'GB' not 'UK' as commonly used in domains, but you know that anyway) | 22:12 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: yup, I knew ^_^ | 22:14 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: how about this? http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_digital/np8800.html | 22:14 |
| dwatkins | nice, hazrpg - thanks | 22:15 |
| hazrpg | only downside is it needs to be plugged into a computer... | 22:15 |
| hazrpg | however, other devices can be shut off using it though | 22:15 |
| dwatkins | hmm, seems to require a USB commection to a [running] computer | 22:15 |
| dwatkins | ah yes, as you just wrote | 22:15 |
| dwatkins | I think I'll investigate X10 under Linux, as I can attach a transmitting device to a mains socket and to my server and have slave receivers around the flat. | 22:16 |
| dwatkins | I already have a homeplug adapter to get ethernet in the bedroom. | 22:16 |
| dwatkins | If I'm lucky, I can have a webpage I can load on my phone, laptop or VPN'ed (or ssh-connected) device and turn things on or off from there or from the command line. | 22:17 |
| hazrpg | hmm, I found this... but it might be a pain to get working on anything other then an iOS device - http://store.apple.com/uk/product/H7338B/A/belkin-wemo-switch?afid=p228|GBUK&cid=AOS-UK-CSE-GoogleBase | 22:20 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: however, that does essentially what you want it to | 22:20 |
| dwatkins | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialX10SmartHomeNetworking.html has some interesting links | 22:20 |
| dwatkins | thanks hazrpg - I'll look into it too | 22:20 |
| hazrpg | interesting | 22:21 |
| dwatkins | hazrpg: looks like there's a baby monitor in the same range, too: http://www.belkin.com/uk/null-Belkin/p/P-F8J007 | 22:21 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: heh. Also found this, which is a bit odd to see, but could do the job too... just need a bundle of SIM cards though: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Fashion-Cellphone-Phone-PDA-GSM-RC-Remote-Control-Socket-Power-Switch-DD-/160785762731?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D150799966758%26ps%3D54 | 22:28 |
| hazrpg | basically, its a switch that is controlled over GSM, so you send it a text message... or a phone call | 22:28 |
| dwatkins | hazrpg: that's a pretty cool idea | 22:29 |
| dwatkins | opens up new possibilities for a wrong number | 22:30 |
| hazrpg | xD | 22:30 |
| hazrpg | ooo, haven't clicked the link yet, but I just saw something that said ethernet controlled and coding... | 22:31 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: this might be the bad boy you want: http://www.maplin.co.uk/power-management-system-534754?c=maplin&utm_source=gcs&utm_medium=gcs_search&utm_campaign=N05KF&utm_content=Energy+Saving+Products | 22:31 |
| dwatkins | some of that description is amusingly badly translated | 22:31 |
| dwatkins | oh neat | 22:32 |
| hazrpg | apparently you programme it via USB, and control via ethernet... sounds good1 | 22:32 |
| dwatkins | yeah, aside from being Windows only it does look pretty good | 22:33 |
| dwatkins | perhaps some USB snooping will change that | 22:33 |
| hazrpg | yeah, I just noticed that snagg too | 22:34 |
| dwatkins | no worries, could be useful for work (save me reaching down under my desk to enable mains adapters) | 22:35 |
| hazrpg | shouldn't be too hard to hack though, one would assume it just sends some usb headers about | 22:35 |
| dwatkins | yeah | 22:35 |
| hazrpg | heh, yeah USB snooping like you said ^_^ | 22:35 |
| hazrpg | half tempted to get one myself now ^_^ | 22:36 |
| dwatkins | haha, you know a site isn't particularly well written when the search field specifies to only use one term | 22:36 |
| hazrpg | heh yeah | 22:36 |
| hazrpg | one way to stop xss though I guess | 22:37 |
| hazrpg | although, not fully... " AND " might still break it | 22:37 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: what site are you on that allows only one word? | 22:38 |
| dwatkins | hazrpg: https://www.letsautomate.com/10075.cfm | 22:39 |
| dwatkins | I don't seem to be able to get to the page with this on, but it sounds like what I'm after, assuming I can control the devices from Linux: X10 PC Starter Kit CM12U (Serial & USB, 2 x 2026UK Dimmers) No Software | 22:40 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon: sorry, just spotted that... yeah EG = Egypt :) | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | I think that's the same as on http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/ | 22:41 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: if it helps, use google as your search engine instead... just add "site:www.whatever.com" at the end | 22:41 |
| dwatkins | hazrpg: I tried :) thanks | 22:42 |
| hazrpg | ah lol | 22:42 |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: :) | 22:43 |
| dwatkins | ooh neat, they also sell bayonet fittings | 22:44 |
| hazrpg | bah, still can't figure out whats happening with my input :/ | 22:44 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: that the kettle lead power plug? | 22:44 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: I see a few of those that can be controlled via ethernet... but wasn't sure if you wanted anything like that | 22:45 |
| dwatkins | hazrpg: I'm looking at http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/X10-Computer-Interface-Serial-CM11-or-CM12.html and http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/Marmitek-X10-Appliance-Module-AM12U.html | 22:45 |
| dwatkins | they're just mains adapters, the first to attach to the PC to send X10 commands around the ring main, the second is a single appliance module which I can attach to anything with a 13-Amp plug. | 22:46 |
| brobostigon | led zeppelin, bbc2, :) | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | yay for iPlayer, brobostigon :D | 22:47 |
| dwatkins | cheers | 22:47 |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: :) | 22:47 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon, dwatkins: yay for vpn & iplayer ;D | 22:47 |
| * dwatkins sniggers | 22:48 | |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: :D | 22:48 |
| dwatkins | I have squid on my netbook/server at home as our office traffic gets routed via another country, hazrpg | 22:48 |
| dwatkins | squid as in the proxy, obv. | 22:48 |
| dwatkins | I don't have a squid on my netbook, that would be surreal. | 22:48 |
| brobostigon | one talented drummer, whoever he is. | 22:50 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: i knew ;) | 22:52 |
| dwatkins | I forget I don't need to specify such things here. | 22:52 |
| hazrpg | dwatkins: :P | 22:52 |
| hazrpg | why is it getting routed to a different country? | 22:52 |
| hazrpg | seems like an odd thing to do, unless the headoffice was elsewhere | 22:53 |
| brobostigon | robert plants voice, isnt as good as it was, but it aint bad. | 22:53 |
| hazrpg | brobostigon: indeed | 22:53 |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: :) | 22:54 |
| brobostigon | hazrpg: there is much clearer decline, with people like, ian anderson. | 22:54 |
| dwatkins | hazrpg: yeah, we're just a small satellite office, the bigger one is in the other country, so we just have a direct link to it and its it for our internets | 22:54 |
| dwatkins | s/its/use/ | 22:54 |
| brobostigon | jason bonham, :) | 22:56 |
| brobostigon | shows, what he father taught him. | 22:57 |
| brobostigon | his* | 22:57 |
| dwatkins | alternatively, I could get this and a cheap switch: http://www.amazon.co.uk/X10-POWERFLASH-UNIVERSAL-INTERFACE/dp/B0018D7ROK/ | 22:59 |
| brobostigon | jimmy page, is still the blatant showoff, he used to be, | 23:05 |
| dwatkins | haha, playing an electric guitar with a bow always amuses me | 23:23 |
| brobostigon | reminds me how some people play a flatsteel. | 23:25 |
| brobostigon | i wouldnt mind, him being my drum teacher. | 23:28 |
| brobostigon | however, as i found out, my current drum teacher, did some work for jethro tull, late 90's, that not bad cradentials. | 23:29 |
| dwatkins | indeed it ain't | 23:30 |
| dwatkins | I always wanted to meet the drummer from Ozric Tentacles, until I saw them live on stage and they were completely hammered. | 23:30 |
| brobostigon | ouch | 23:30 |
| dwatkins | they managed surprisingly well, in fairness | 23:30 |
| dwatkins | this was around the time they stopped appearing, though | 23:31 |
| dwatkins | I gather one of them went on to have a fairly reasonable solo career | 23:31 |
| brobostigon | unlike, some occasions with liam gallagher. | 23:31 |
| brobostigon | ah. | 23:32 |
| brobostigon | although, it would cost a fortune, to have someone like, bonham or perry, to teach, that is if they would. | 23:34 |
| dwatkins | a friend of mine teaches the children of some famour people piano | 23:41 |
| dwatkins | she comes highly reccomended by other famous people, which helps | 23:41 |
| dwatkins | s/famour/famous/ | 23:41 |
| brobostigon | definatly. | 23:41 |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: this i can play, vaguely. the song that is on now, just made not as fast as him. | 23:42 |
| dwatkins | nice, brobostigon | 23:42 |
| dwatkins | I assume it's not just ascending power chords like it just looked like | 23:42 |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: it is mostly a basic thre beat, with some interesting fills. | 23:43 |
| dwatkins | what's the song called? | 23:43 |
| brobostigon | three* | 23:43 |
| dwatkins | cheers, I shall redress my ignorance by buying an album | 23:43 |
| dwatkins | (I was about to do that anyway) | 23:43 |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: watch his right hand. | 23:44 |
| dwatkins | I've recently been tidying up my music collection, tagging things correctly and buying the CDs I didn't own, so this fits nicely with this project. | 23:44 |
| dwatkins | down/up/down? | 23:44 |
| brobostigon | then listen, he is playing plus the bass, in pairs of three. | 23:44 |
| dwatkins | yeah | 23:46 |
| dwatkins | any album reccomendations? | 23:46 |
| brobostigon | dwatkins: i like the three set, early days, compilations. | 23:48 |
| dwatkins | thanks, wasn't sure as in many cases the track order of original albums is carefully chosen, whereas 'best of' albums are just a bit random. | 23:49 |
| dwatkins | hahaha, I can't watch 'The Relic' on iPlayer on my iPad for 'legal reasons' | 23:49 |
| * dwatkins puts Die Hard with a Vengance on instead | 23:50 | |
| brobostigon | good night everyone, sleep well. | 23:51 |
| dwatkins | c ya brobostigon | 23:52 |
| dwatkins | likewise | 23:52 |
| brobostigon | good night dwatkins | 23:52 |
| dwatkins | aha, excellent: http://eclipsehomeauto.com/cm15a_on_linux/cm15a.shtml and http://somethinginteractive.com/blog/2009/05/06/guide-x10-cm15a-ubuntu/ detail X10 applications for Linux. | 23:54 |
| dwatkins | hazrpg: you may find those links interesting, looks like they should work with this http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/Marmitek-X10-CM15Pro-Computer-Interface-with-Transceiver.html | 23:57 |
| penguin42 | heck that stuff ain't cheap | 23:59 |
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