[00:44] get akk [00:44] hey all even [00:45] evenin [00:46] how goes things? [00:47] yeh ok [08:55] hello all [09:20] can anyone explain how this device works? http://www.screwfix.com/p/deedlock-dorcas-8-12v-ac-dc-electric-rim-lock-release-mortice/19768 [09:23] electro magnetic? [09:25] yea I gathered that, but is it like a dead bolt? [09:26] Azelphur: that's when Usain expires. A dead Bolt. [09:26] lol [09:48] Azelphur: If it's like the one at work they are used in conjuction with normal locks, you just unlock the door and have it locked with the electric one [09:49] MooDoo: oh, I was interested in something fully automated, so that I could unlock my houses front door with my hpone [09:49] phone* [09:49] Azelphur: smarty pants :D [09:49] hehe [09:53] morning [09:55] morning [10:01] how do MooDoo ? [10:24] good morning everyone, [10:26] morning [10:26] I just wish valve would release portal and half-life for linux already [10:27] morning SuperMatt [10:27] morning [10:27] I really want to play a deep single player game right now [10:28] with lots of shooting [10:48] Ahoy [11:29] SuperMatt: Serious Sam [11:29] Lots of dumb enemies, even more ammunition [11:30] :D [11:30] works on Linux [11:39] I know, but it's not engaging [11:43] yeah, it's just wandering around shooting and sledgehammering things [11:53] hmm, my washing machine cycle has finished and the barrel is still full of water... [11:53] it's a trap :o [12:23] I was wondering what communities people have joined on google Plus recently ? .. It's spreading like wildfire !!! [12:28] Azelphur: clogged drain? drain exit higher than washing machine? (siphon effect?) [12:28] * Azelphur shrugs [12:28] it didn't do it first time I used it, I'm giving it another run atm to see if that fixes it [12:51] * jacobw is trying weechat [14:38] Tum te tum === WillemTheMarxist is now known as GentileBen [14:45] hello every body [14:45] i need some hlp [14:46] Im getting this error when trying to start firefox (and other software) from the terminal: "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1" im running 12.04 [16:01] * penguin42 yaaaawwwwwnnnnns [16:01] \o Pendulum [16:01] hr [16:01] penguin42 [16:02] pen isn't even enough anymore! [16:02] quiet isn't it [16:02] penguin42: Just slept for 2 hours.. *yawn* [16:02] that sounds good [16:02] I think work was a bit too intense the past week ;) [16:03] with the big release, and "post-release bugfix day" coinciding with the company-wide "One-day bugfix day" [16:03] ah, big release on a Friday? [16:04] Wednesday [16:04] well [16:04] Wednesday night/Thursday morning [16:04] haha, startup ? [16:04] welcome back to conciousness [16:05] penguin42: nah, big database change and coworkers that need to be able to access customer information when they call, it was all properly scheduled.. we just forgot about post-release bugfix day [16:06] penguin42: and how "post-release day" was already a management-designated "let's fix some other bugs"-day [16:06] oh that's unfair [16:08] penguin42: to be fair to the project manager, this was the first management-ordered "bugfix day" (it's supposed to become a monthly thing) [16:09] MartijnVdS: Sounds like the thing to do is line up a pile of bug fixes before hand ready to checkin (depending if everyone else does the same :-) [16:09] penguin42: yeah, next time.. :) [16:10] penguin42: they had a list a week beforehand, most were 2-liners :) [16:11] (from the "why didn't you report the bug, instead of working around it for months" school) [16:11] perfect [16:13] what? the annoying school of unreported bugs? ;) [16:14] or the pre-announcement? [16:20] I meant 2 line fixes :-) [16:20] :) [16:20] MartijnVdS: My first fix on the project I joined a couple of months back was a single ! - it took a few days to find that it was needed though :-) [16:21] those are the nasty ones [16:21] MartijnVdS: An interesting way to learn a big new codebase [16:57] evening all! [17:13] hi popey. [17:13] you thoughts on google communitiesw so far ? [17:21] solarcloud, its forums [17:30] popey, 'phpBB' I don't think so, matey. [17:30] it functions the same as a forum [17:30] one where everyone is pre-authed [17:59] It seems a little odd; they've not got it working on mobile yet (which is where I mostly read G+ in the week) and they have an option for monitoring a forum or not, and it's binary but enables monitoring on about 3 different things [18:02] google and social always has some.. startup problems :) [18:02] MartijnVdS: Hey hey, Orkut was one of the earliest on the block [18:02] penguin42: they bought orkut [18:02] they didn't _make_ it [18:03] touche - didn't know that [18:03] Buzz was their own first try :) [18:03] I think [18:04] popey, Whaqt does 'pre-authed' mean ... pre-authored or pre-authenitcated ? [18:04] authenticated [18:05] how is that a bad thing ?? [18:08] I thnk popey, misses the point [ big time ]. [18:08] I think popey understands it [18:08] But some people just aren't forums people [18:09] yeh, I've tended not to like forums, although if it integrated well with g+ that I check every day on my mobile then it would work ok [18:09] having used phpBB .. for a long time .. I think that G+ communities is more of a blog stream than a forum. Forum are crap place where you get spammed .. I have never been spammed on G+ yet ! [18:10] I just replied to one post in the Ubuntu G+ community, now I get spammed with the red "1" every time [18:10] .. & it will save the desktop too ! [18:10] which I don't like.. as an inbox-zero kind of person [18:10] MartijnVdS: Can you mute that thread like you can on the rest of G+ though? [18:10] and you can mute it, but then you mute the person who asked the question, not the thread [18:11] .. the notifier .. is not a spam device .. if the cooker alarm went off .. Would you regard that as spam ? [18:11] solarcloud_3scrn: I only want it to go red if there's something important [18:11] solarcloud_3scrn: replies to the same question as I answered don't count as important to me [18:12] .. Yjust dont like the colour, that's al. [18:12] *al. [18:12] **all [18:12] no, it's the "There's something important!" status of it [18:12] MartijnVdS: Another inbox-zero kind of person? I meet so few! [18:12] Don't shout that something is important if it's not :)~ [18:12] MartijnVdS: Oh, I thought G+ you could mute a thread [18:13] my keyboard has mucked up, bye. [18:13] Well, that was abrupt. [18:13] Darael: I keep it as empty as possible.. [18:14] Darael: I can't stand unread/unprocessed mail/messages [18:15] MartijnVdS: I acknowledged a long time ago that I couldn't read everything, but only because so much of it was mailing lists &c. So I filter all that out, and I can generally keep the main inbox clear of unread stuff. I'm just surprised that so few other people even /try/ to keep theirs clear. [18:17] Hmmm. Come to think of it, a multi-target bayesian filter would be really very cool. Not just spam/notspam, or even the thing gmail has now (possibly in labs) where it gives broad category labels, but arbitrarily many categories. [18:18] Darael: Then wire it up to something that sends sarcastic replies [18:19] penguin42: For certain categories. Yes. [18:19] the email 'box' is just a repository, Whether you've readi it now, or reading it later it makes litle diference. Just so long as you have a copy :) [18:19] solarcloud_3scrn: Debatable. Quite a lot of the information contained in emails degrades in usefulness over time. Therefore it is better to be up to date. [18:20] forum threads trend towards being repetitve [18:21] that is just the difference of current and not current . It is just a case of 'keeping a record' for me. [18:21] they get to so many pages, so new participants read only the last few pages and have the same conversation over and over again [18:22] solarcloud_3scrn: Which is why things that do not go "out of date" get read or shunted out of the inbox. [18:22] Why be at the mercy of an 'inbox number' anyway . it's just a number ! [18:22] I have 70,000 unread emails . who gives a funk ? [18:22] Different attitudes. Filtering out things that don't need to be dealt with reasonably soon means that the unread-count for the main inbox becomes a things-I-haven't-dealt-with-yet-that-I-probably-ought-to count. [18:22] your filesystem does [18:23] jacobw: Be fair. It doesn't care if they're read or not, merely how many of them there are. Well, I suppose there's an argument for maildir usage where they move from new to cur, but... [18:23] :) [18:24] i'm being silly [18:24] solarcloud_3scrn: I may have that many in neatly sectioned off places, but they stay /out/ of my inbox. It makes it much easier to keep track of whether anything new has come in. [18:24] k [18:25] jacobw: I gathered. I reserve the right to take silly at face value if that entertains me more than reading it as intended. [18:25] :D [18:45] i use my inbox for mail not part of another process, if i develop a process for handling a kind of mail, then i filter it to another mailbox [18:48] https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do ...ho-hummm -here we go again [18:54] free software and privacy are seperate issues to my mind [18:55] SuperEngineer, is this about jono's post ? [18:55] or should I say jo-NO's ! post. [18:56] jacobw: Probably true; although there is a certain bizarre/cathedral thing about it - would a feature like the one he's complaining about ever gone into a traditional open source project? [18:56] free software and privacy - as in life - carry the unwritten warning "user beware".. unlike other OS's where "user watch out - you're in danger" to my mind [18:56] I thnk popey, misses the point [ big time ]. [18:56] wut? [18:56] ..and solarcloud_3scrn - yes [18:57] gogle comunities does not equal forums. [18:57] it very much is like a forum [18:57] like is not the same as phpB. [18:57] with a set of users already authenticated [18:57] solarcloud_3scrn: why does popey miss the point? he was the first one on the point! [18:57] it's very much like phpBB, with a set of authenticated users [18:58] authentification is irelevant to gogle . they just want to share stuf. [18:58] a centralised system, unlike a lot of disparate forums [18:58] soz my keyboard is playing up. [18:58] IMO, Stallman's views are based on concerns about many issues disguised as an objection to a single practice [18:59] some people will migrate to it [18:59] i know I'll be more likely to use google communities than ubuntu forums [18:59] popey: I think it'll be interesting to see what happens on the mobile view; the problem I've had with G+ is that following a 'topic' based page (e.g. ScienceSunday) ends up dominating the stream so I can't see the status chats from everyone, and I'm not sure how that will change/work with communities [18:59] or any other random forums [18:59] the fact that it's integrated into a social network I'm already on, is a bonus [18:59] i almost _never_ sign up for new forums anywhere [19:00] popey, if you lok at somthing like the linuxbasix.com forum and the goggle commuinity forum they are worlds apart. [19:00] i.e. the free software is bad if it's associated with anything that Stallman has concerns about it [19:00] no, they aren't [19:00] they are http forums [19:00] in terms of useage they are worlds apart. [19:00] there are categories, there are notifications, there are moderators [19:00] I don't know what you mean [19:00] "usage" as in "you use a browser"? [19:01] wel then go lok at the forums that i mentioned :) [19:01] i dont need to [19:01] I'm 40, I know what forums look like [19:01] great, u know it al, then. [19:01] gotta go. [19:02] well that's one way of running away! [19:03] * solarcloud_3scrn fixing keyboard :( [19:04] btw popey I could have sworn you were "27" - I've been "27" for nearly 2 decades :) [19:05] popey: Ah, as ancient as me [19:05] ...well, nearly 3 decades actually [he says giving too much away] [19:07] aww come on someone - say "surely not!" [19:11] surely not [19:11] thankyou === d0m is now known as dw4tkins [19:19] i wish to FSF was less doom mongering [19:19] s/to/the/ [19:21] I'm in two minds about it, jacobw - on the one hand this sort of thing needs pointing out, but on the other, I have issues with the way RMS said what he did. [19:21] as you say, scaremongering, paraphrased. [19:24] free software protects users from malicous software / [because of the inclusion of the shopping lens] ubuntu has become a counter example [19:26] is the code for Ubuntu suddenly not available then? [19:26] that just doesn't follow, integration with a proprietary service does not make free software malicous software [19:32] I'm not sure I'd agree. if my mac did the same thing, I can just imagine the headlines [19:33] jacobw: I agree it's scare mongering, but I basically agree with the sentiment [19:34] i don't like because i don't want the performance of my launcher to depend on the responsiveness of web services [19:36] jacobw: that is the nearest thing to a sensible objection so far... good thinking [19:37] i don't have moral objections to graphical shells :| [19:38] My main problem is that it makes something that was previously just a local thing now go external; and thus it's only by thinking you know you're potentially leaking something - and that's a dangerous precident [19:43] i don't see these kind of architecture as local operations going external [19:44] s/these/this/ [19:44] jacobw: Well in the previous version stuff you typed in the search box was entirely local; someone upgrading or someone who didn't know about the feature would blindly carrying on thinking stuff was local [19:46] i don't like because i don't want the performance of my launcher to depend on the responsiveness of web services [19:46] it shouldn't be [19:46] the scopes are asynchronous [19:46] if it is slowed by the shopping results then it's a bug which should be filed [19:53] popey: the dash updates each time a result comes back from the query, it's not responsive during that time [19:53] what isnt responsive? [19:55] popey: while testing quantal, i found that if i searched for something in the launcher, while the dash was searching amazon it was slow to backspace or switch to an application [19:56] i can't reproduce that here [19:58] popey: i haven't tested this since quantal was released, i follow the reasoning that scopes being asynchronous shouldn't block the shell on a query but it still requires multiple updates of the dash for each search [19:58] some words of wisdom found a few secounds ago: http://randall.executiv.es/bestsearchintheworld [19:59] hmm *seconds [20:18] time to go eat heating replacement home made stu - see yaz all later [20:30] t [20:31] v ? [20:47] i have a strange problem with virt-install, i'm trying to use --location to get the initrd and kernel by http, the files download to /var/lib/libvirt/boot but disappear as soon as virt-install exits, so libvirt can't use the files to boot the VM === davie_ is now known as Guest22275 [21:59] hey all \o [21:59] hows things? [22:01] Anyone good with looking at ALSA issues? Cos for some reason, no matter what audio input device I use, I'm getting a lot of white noise: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e0c6fb7e10624bf7691aa2b405cf0d3968e56c63 [22:01] evening hazrpg [22:01] brobostigon: good evening ^_^ [22:02] :) [22:02] brobostigon: long time no see :) [22:02] hazrpg: yes, definatly. :) [22:03] brobostigon: how's things? [22:03] hazrpg: good bits, and bad. and you? [22:03] brobostigon: same... [22:04] does anyone know of a good set of browser-controllable mains plug adapters for UK plugs? [22:04] hazrpg: :) :( [22:04] brobostigon: currently living in EG at the moment, so trying to be a bit active on ubuntu-eg more recently (just cos it helps to know the people for meetups, etc ^_^) [22:04] dwatkins, browser controllable? [22:04] dwatkins, what do you hope to control? [22:04] hazrpg: EG ? [22:05] popey: yeah, so I can press buttons on an internally-served webpage (in my flat) and turn on or off a light, printer, monitor etc. [22:05] popey: think he's referring to plugs that can be turned on/off via a browser, am I right? dwatkins [22:05] oh i see [22:05] yeah hazrpg [22:05] not sure I know of any, but I'll have a quick look [22:05] I have a remote control for mains socket adapters, but the reception isn't so good, and I tend to lose the controller [22:06] I've looked around but can't see any for home use - we had one at work in my last job, but I imagine it was quite expensive [22:06] I guess the alternative is to write my own with X10 adapters [22:07] I was looking at http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/categories/X10-Home-Automation/X10-Computer-Control/ previously [22:09] !ubuntu-eg [22:10] #ubuntu-eg, the Egyptian Ubuntu channel? ;) [22:10] ah, :) [22:11] i couldnt put my finger, on which country it referred to. [22:11] ahh, I just looked it up here http://userpage.chemie.fu-berlin.de/diverse/doc/ISO_3166.html [22:11] :) [22:12] (note: that standard has the United Kindgom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as 'GB' not 'UK' as commonly used in domains, but you know that anyway) [22:14] dwatkins: yup, I knew ^_^ [22:14] dwatkins: how about this? http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_digital/np8800.html [22:15] nice, hazrpg - thanks [22:15] only downside is it needs to be plugged into a computer... [22:15] however, other devices can be shut off using it though [22:15] hmm, seems to require a USB commection to a [running] computer [22:15] ah yes, as you just wrote [22:16] I think I'll investigate X10 under Linux, as I can attach a transmitting device to a mains socket and to my server and have slave receivers around the flat. [22:16] I already have a homeplug adapter to get ethernet in the bedroom. [22:17] If I'm lucky, I can have a webpage I can load on my phone, laptop or VPN'ed (or ssh-connected) device and turn things on or off from there or from the command line. [22:20] hmm, I found this... but it might be a pain to get working on anything other then an iOS device - http://store.apple.com/uk/product/H7338B/A/belkin-wemo-switch?afid=p228|GBUK&cid=AOS-UK-CSE-GoogleBase [22:20] dwatkins: however, that does essentially what you want it to [22:20] http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialX10SmartHomeNetworking.html has some interesting links [22:20] thanks hazrpg - I'll look into it too [22:21] interesting [22:21] hazrpg: looks like there's a baby monitor in the same range, too: http://www.belkin.com/uk/null-Belkin/p/P-F8J007 [22:28] dwatkins: heh. Also found this, which is a bit odd to see, but could do the job too... just need a bundle of SIM cards though: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Fashion-Cellphone-Phone-PDA-GSM-RC-Remote-Control-Socket-Power-Switch-DD-/160785762731?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D150799966758%26ps%3D54 [22:28] basically, its a switch that is controlled over GSM, so you send it a text message... or a phone call [22:29] hazrpg: that's a pretty cool idea [22:30] opens up new possibilities for a wrong number [22:30] xD [22:31] ooo, haven't clicked the link yet, but I just saw something that said ethernet controlled and coding... [22:31] dwatkins: this might be the bad boy you want: http://www.maplin.co.uk/power-management-system-534754?c=maplin&utm_source=gcs&utm_medium=gcs_search&utm_campaign=N05KF&utm_content=Energy+Saving+Products [22:31] some of that description is amusingly badly translated [22:32] oh neat [22:32] apparently you programme it via USB, and control via ethernet... sounds good1 [22:33] yeah, aside from being Windows only it does look pretty good [22:33] perhaps some USB snooping will change that [22:34] yeah, I just noticed that snagg too [22:35] no worries, could be useful for work (save me reaching down under my desk to enable mains adapters) [22:35] shouldn't be too hard to hack though, one would assume it just sends some usb headers about [22:35] yeah [22:35] heh, yeah USB snooping like you said ^_^ [22:36] half tempted to get one myself now ^_^ [22:36] haha, you know a site isn't particularly well written when the search field specifies to only use one term [22:36] heh yeah [22:37] one way to stop xss though I guess [22:37] although, not fully... " AND " might still break it [22:38] dwatkins: what site are you on that allows only one word? [22:39] hazrpg: https://www.letsautomate.com/10075.cfm [22:40] I don't seem to be able to get to the page with this on, but it sounds like what I'm after, assuming I can control the devices from Linux: X10 PC Starter Kit CM12U (Serial & USB, 2 x 2026UK Dimmers) No Software [22:40] brobostigon: sorry, just spotted that... yeah EG = Egypt :) [22:41] I think that's the same as on http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/ [22:41] dwatkins: if it helps, use google as your search engine instead... just add "site:www.whatever.com" at the end [22:42] hazrpg: I tried :) thanks [22:42] ah lol [22:43] hazrpg: :) [22:44] ooh neat, they also sell bayonet fittings [22:44] bah, still can't figure out whats happening with my input :/ [22:44] dwatkins: that the kettle lead power plug? [22:45] dwatkins: I see a few of those that can be controlled via ethernet... but wasn't sure if you wanted anything like that [22:45] hazrpg: I'm looking at http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/X10-Computer-Interface-Serial-CM11-or-CM12.html and http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/Marmitek-X10-Appliance-Module-AM12U.html [22:46] they're just mains adapters, the first to attach to the PC to send X10 commands around the ring main, the second is a single appliance module which I can attach to anything with a 13-Amp plug. [22:46] led zeppelin, bbc2, :) [22:47] yay for iPlayer, brobostigon :D [22:47] cheers [22:47] dwatkins: :) [22:47] brobostigon, dwatkins: yay for vpn & iplayer ;D [22:48] * dwatkins sniggers [22:48] hazrpg: :D [22:48] I have squid on my netbook/server at home as our office traffic gets routed via another country, hazrpg [22:48] squid as in the proxy, obv. [22:48] I don't have a squid on my netbook, that would be surreal. [22:50] one talented drummer, whoever he is. [22:52] dwatkins: i knew ;) [22:52] I forget I don't need to specify such things here. [22:52] dwatkins: :P [22:52] why is it getting routed to a different country? [22:53] seems like an odd thing to do, unless the headoffice was elsewhere [22:53] robert plants voice, isnt as good as it was, but it aint bad. [22:53] brobostigon: indeed [22:54] hazrpg: :) [22:54] hazrpg: there is much clearer decline, with people like, ian anderson. [22:54] hazrpg: yeah, we're just a small satellite office, the bigger one is in the other country, so we just have a direct link to it and its it for our internets [22:54] s/its/use/ [22:56] jason bonham, :) [22:57] shows, what he father taught him. [22:57] his* [22:59] alternatively, I could get this and a cheap switch: http://www.amazon.co.uk/X10-POWERFLASH-UNIVERSAL-INTERFACE/dp/B0018D7ROK/ [23:05] jimmy page, is still the blatant showoff, he used to be, [23:23] haha, playing an electric guitar with a bow always amuses me [23:25] reminds me how some people play a flatsteel. [23:28] i wouldnt mind, him being my drum teacher. [23:29] however, as i found out, my current drum teacher, did some work for jethro tull, late 90's, that not bad cradentials. [23:30] indeed it ain't [23:30] I always wanted to meet the drummer from Ozric Tentacles, until I saw them live on stage and they were completely hammered. [23:30] ouch [23:30] they managed surprisingly well, in fairness [23:31] this was around the time they stopped appearing, though [23:31] I gather one of them went on to have a fairly reasonable solo career [23:31] unlike, some occasions with liam gallagher. [23:32] ah. [23:34] although, it would cost a fortune, to have someone like, bonham or perry, to teach, that is if they would. [23:41] a friend of mine teaches the children of some famour people piano [23:41] she comes highly reccomended by other famous people, which helps [23:41] s/famour/famous/ [23:41] definatly. [23:42] dwatkins: this i can play, vaguely. the song that is on now, just made not as fast as him. [23:42] nice, brobostigon [23:42] I assume it's not just ascending power chords like it just looked like [23:43] dwatkins: it is mostly a basic thre beat, with some interesting fills. [23:43] what's the song called? [23:43] three* [23:43] cheers, I shall redress my ignorance by buying an album [23:43] (I was about to do that anyway) [23:44] dwatkins: watch his right hand. [23:44] I've recently been tidying up my music collection, tagging things correctly and buying the CDs I didn't own, so this fits nicely with this project. [23:44] down/up/down? [23:44] then listen, he is playing plus the bass, in pairs of three. [23:46] yeah [23:46] any album reccomendations? [23:48] dwatkins: i like the three set, early days, compilations. [23:49] thanks, wasn't sure as in many cases the track order of original albums is carefully chosen, whereas 'best of' albums are just a bit random. [23:49] hahaha, I can't watch 'The Relic' on iPlayer on my iPad for 'legal reasons' [23:50] * dwatkins puts Die Hard with a Vengance on instead [23:51] good night everyone, sleep well. [23:52] c ya brobostigon [23:52] likewise [23:52] good night dwatkins [23:54] aha, excellent: http://eclipsehomeauto.com/cm15a_on_linux/cm15a.shtml and http://somethinginteractive.com/blog/2009/05/06/guide-x10-cm15a-ubuntu/ detail X10 applications for Linux. [23:57] hazrpg: you may find those links interesting, looks like they should work with this http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/Marmitek-X10-CM15Pro-Computer-Interface-with-Transceiver.html [23:59] heck that stuff ain't cheap