[00:44] <andylockran> get akk
[00:44] <andylockran> hey all even
[00:45] <penguin42> evenin
[00:46] <andylockran> how goes things?
[00:47] <penguin42> yeh ok
[08:55] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:20] <Azelphur> can anyone explain how this device works? http://www.screwfix.com/p/deedlock-dorcas-8-12v-ac-dc-electric-rim-lock-release-mortice/19768
[09:23] <MooDoo> electro magnetic?
[09:25] <Azelphur> yea I gathered that, but is it like a dead bolt?
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that's when Usain expires. A dead Bolt.
[09:26] <Azelphur> lol
[09:48] <MooDoo> Azelphur: If it's like the one at work they are used in conjuction with normal locks, you just unlock the door and have it locked with the electric one
[09:49] <Azelphur> MooDoo: oh, I was interested in something fully automated, so that I could unlock my houses front door with my hpone
[09:49] <Azelphur> phone*
[09:49] <MooDoo> Azelphur: smarty pants :D
[09:49] <Azelphur> hehe
[09:53] <jacobw> morning
[09:55] <MooDoo> morning
[10:01] <jacobw> how do MooDoo ?
[10:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:26] <SuperMatt> morning
[10:26] <SuperMatt> I just wish valve would release portal and half-life for linux already
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[10:27] <SuperMatt> morning
[10:27] <SuperMatt> I really want to play a deep single player game right now
[10:28] <SuperMatt> with lots of shooting
[10:48] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[11:29] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: Serious Sam
[11:29] <BigRedS> Lots of dumb enemies, even more ammunition
[11:30] <bigcalm> :D
[11:30] <BigRedS> works on Linux
[11:39] <SuperMatt> I know, but it's not engaging
[11:43] <BigRedS> yeah, it's just wandering around shooting and sledgehammering things
[11:53] <Azelphur> hmm, my washing machine cycle has finished and the barrel is still full of water...
[11:53] <Azelphur> it's a trap :o
[12:23] <solarcloud_3scrn> I was wondering what communities people have joined on google Plus recently ? .. It's spreading like wildfire !!!
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: clogged drain? drain exit higher than washing machine? (siphon effect?)
[12:28]  * Azelphur shrugs
[12:28] <Azelphur> it didn't do it first time I used it, I'm giving it another run atm to see if that fixes it
[12:51]  * jacobw is trying weechat
[14:38] <bigcalm> Tum te tum
[14:45] <ammar_> hello every body
[14:45] <ammar_> i need some hlp
[14:46] <haqe17> Im getting this error when trying to start firefox (and other software) from the terminal: "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1" im running 12.04
[16:01]  * penguin42 yaaaawwwwwnnnnns
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> \o Pendulum
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> hr
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> penguin42
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> pen<tab> isn't even enough anymore!
[16:02] <penguin42> quiet isn't it
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Just slept for 2 hours.. *yawn*
[16:02] <penguin42> that sounds good
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> I think work was a bit too intense the past week ;)
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> with the big release, and "post-release bugfix day" coinciding with the company-wide "One-day bugfix day"
[16:03] <penguin42> ah, big release on a Friday?
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> Wednesday
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> well
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> Wednesday night/Thursday morning
[16:04] <penguin42> haha, startup ?
[16:04] <jacobw> welcome back to conciousness
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: nah, big database change and coworkers that need to be able to access customer information when they call, it was all properly scheduled.. we just forgot about post-release bugfix day
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: and how "post-release day" was already a management-designated "let's fix some other bugs"-day
[16:06] <penguin42> oh that's unfair
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: to be fair to the project manager, this was the first management-ordered "bugfix day" (it's supposed to become a monthly thing)
[16:09] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Sounds like the thing to do is line up a pile of bug fixes before hand ready to checkin (depending if everyone else does the same :-)
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yeah, next time.. :)
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they had a list a week beforehand, most were 2-liners :)
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> (from the "why didn't you report the bug, instead of working around it for months" school)
[16:11] <penguin42> perfect
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> what? the annoying school of unreported bugs? ;)
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> or the pre-announcement?
[16:20] <penguin42> I meant 2 line fixes :-)
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> :)
[16:20] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: My first fix on the project I joined a couple of months back was a single !   - it took a few days to find that it was needed though :-)
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> those are the nasty ones
[16:21] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: An interesting way to learn a big new codebase
[16:57] <popey> evening all!
[17:13] <solarcloud> hi popey.
[17:13] <solarcloud> you thoughts on google communitiesw so far ?
[17:21] <popey> solarcloud, its forums
[17:30] <solarcloud> popey, 'phpBB' I don't think so, matey.
[17:30] <popey> it functions the same as a forum
[17:30] <popey> one where everyone is pre-authed
[17:59] <penguin42> It seems a little odd; they've not got it working on mobile yet (which is where I mostly read G+ in the week) and they have an option for monitoring a forum or not, and it's binary but enables monitoring on about 3 different things
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> google and social always has some.. startup problems :)
[18:02] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hey hey, Orkut was one of the earliest on the block
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they bought orkut
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> they didn't _make_ it
[18:03] <penguin42> touche - didn't know that
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Buzz was their own first try :)
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> I think
[18:04] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey, Whaqt does 'pre-authed' mean ... pre-authored or pre-authenitcated ?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> authenticated
[18:05] <solarcloud_3scrn> how is that a bad thing ??
[18:08] <solarcloud_3scrn> I thnk popey, misses the point [ big time ].
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> I think popey understands it
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> But some people just aren't forums people
[18:09] <penguin42> yeh, I've tended not to like forums, although if it integrated well with g+ that I check every day on my mobile then it would work ok
[18:09] <solarcloud_3scrn> having used phpBB .. for a long time .. I think that G+ communities is more of a blog stream than a forum. Forum are crap place where you get spammed .. I have never been spammed on G+ yet !
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> I just replied to one post in the Ubuntu G+ community, now I get spammed with the red "1" every time
[18:10] <solarcloud_3scrn> .. & it will save the desktop too !
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> which I don't like.. as an inbox-zero kind of person
[18:10] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Can you mute that thread like you can on the rest of G+ though?
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> and you can mute it, but then you mute the person who asked the question, not the thread
[18:11] <solarcloud_3scrn> .. the notifier .. is not a spam device .. if the cooker alarm went off .. Would you regard that as spam ?
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: I only want it to go red if there's something important
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: replies to the same question as I answered don't count as important to me
[18:12] <solarcloud_3scrn> .. Yjust dont like the colour, that's al.
[18:12] <solarcloud_3scrn> *al.
[18:12] <solarcloud_3scrn> **all
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> no, it's the "There's something important!" status of it
[18:12] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Another inbox-zero kind of person?  I meet so few!
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Don't shout that something is important if it's not :)~
[18:12] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Oh, I thought G+ you could mute a thread
[18:13] <solarcloud_3scrn> my keyboard has mucked up, bye.
[18:13] <Darael> Well, that was abrupt.
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I keep it as empty as possible..
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I can't stand unread/unprocessed mail/messages
[18:15] <Darael> MartijnVdS: I acknowledged a long time ago that I couldn't read everything, but only because so much of it was mailing lists &c.  So I filter all that out, and I can generally keep the main inbox clear of unread stuff.  I'm just surprised that so few other people even /try/ to keep theirs clear.
[18:17] <Darael> Hmmm.  Come to think of it, a multi-target bayesian filter would be really very cool.  Not just spam/notspam, or even the thing gmail has now (possibly in labs) where it gives broad category labels, but arbitrarily many categories.
[18:18] <penguin42> Darael: Then wire it up to something that sends sarcastic replies
[18:19] <Darael> penguin42: For certain categories.  Yes.
[18:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> the email 'box' is just a repository, Whether you've readi it now, or reading it later it makes litle diference. Just so long as you have a copy :)
[18:19] <Darael> solarcloud_3scrn: Debatable.  Quite a lot of the information contained in emails degrades in usefulness over time.  Therefore it is better to be up to date.
[18:20] <jacobw> forum threads trend towards being repetitve
[18:21] <solarcloud_3scrn> that is just the difference of current and not current . It is just a case of 'keeping a record' for me.
[18:21] <jacobw> they get to so many pages, so new participants read only the last few pages and have the same conversation over and over again
[18:22] <Darael> solarcloud_3scrn: Which is why things that do not go "out of date" get read or shunted out of the inbox.
[18:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> Why be at the mercy of an 'inbox number' anyway . it's just a number !
[18:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> I have 70,000 unread emails . who gives a funk ?
[18:22] <Darael> Different attitudes.  Filtering out things that don't need to be dealt with reasonably soon means that the unread-count for the main inbox becomes a things-I-haven't-dealt-with-yet-that-I-probably-ought-to count.
[18:22] <jacobw> your filesystem does
[18:23] <Darael> jacobw: Be fair.  It doesn't care if they're read or not, merely how many of them there are.  Well, I suppose there's an argument for maildir usage where they move from new to cur, but...
[18:23] <jacobw> :)
[18:24] <jacobw> i'm being silly
[18:24] <Darael> solarcloud_3scrn: I may have that many in neatly sectioned off places, but they stay /out/ of my inbox.  It makes it much easier to keep track of whether anything new has come in.
[18:24] <solarcloud_3scrn> k
[18:25] <Darael> jacobw: I gathered.  I reserve the right to take silly at face value if that entertains me more than reading it as intended.
[18:25] <jacobw> :D
[18:45] <jacobw> i use my inbox for mail not part of another process, if i develop a process for handling a kind of mail, then i filter it to another mailbox
[18:48] <SuperEngineer> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do   ...ho-hummm -here we go again
[18:54] <jacobw> free software and privacy are seperate issues to my mind
[18:55] <solarcloud_3scrn> SuperEngineer, is this about jono's post ?
[18:55] <solarcloud_3scrn> or should I say jo-NO's ! post.
[18:56] <penguin42> jacobw: Probably true; although there is a certain bizarre/cathedral thing about it - would a feature like the one he's complaining about ever gone into a traditional open source project?
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> free software and privacy - as in life - carry the unwritten warning "user beware".. unlike other OS's where "user watch out - you're in danger" to my mind
 I thnk popey, misses the point [ big time ].
[18:56] <popey> wut?
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> ..and solarcloud_3scrn - yes
[18:57] <solarcloud_3scrn> gogle comunities does not equal forums.
[18:57] <popey> it very much is like a forum
[18:57] <solarcloud_3scrn> like is not the same as phpB.
[18:57] <popey> with a set of users already authenticated
[18:57] <SuperEngineer> solarcloud_3scrn: why does popey miss the point?  he was the first one on the point!
[18:57] <popey> it's very much like phpBB, with a set of authenticated users
[18:58] <solarcloud_3scrn> authentification is irelevant to gogle . they just want to share stuf.
[18:58] <popey> a centralised system, unlike a lot of disparate forums
[18:58] <solarcloud_3scrn> soz my keyboard is playing up.
[18:58] <jacobw> IMO, Stallman's views are based on concerns about many issues disguised as an objection to a single practice
[18:59] <popey> some people will migrate to it
[18:59] <popey> i know I'll be more likely to use google communities than ubuntu forums
[18:59] <penguin42> popey: I think it'll be interesting to see what happens on the mobile view; the problem I've had with G+ is that following a 'topic' based page (e.g. ScienceSunday) ends up dominating the stream so I can't see the status chats from everyone, and I'm not sure how that will change/work with communities
[18:59] <popey> or any other random forums
[18:59] <popey> the fact that it's integrated into a social network I'm already on, is a bonus
[18:59] <popey> i almost _never_ sign up for new forums anywhere
[19:00] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey, if you lok at somthing like the linuxbasix.com forum and the goggle commuinity forum they are worlds apart.
[19:00] <jacobw> i.e. the free software is bad if it's associated with anything that Stallman has concerns about it
[19:00] <popey> no, they aren't
[19:00] <popey> they are http forums
[19:00] <solarcloud_3scrn> in terms of useage they are worlds apart.
[19:00] <popey> there are categories, there are notifications, there are moderators
[19:00] <popey> I don't know what you mean
[19:00] <popey> "usage" as in "you use a browser"?
[19:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> wel then go lok at the forums that i mentioned :)
[19:01] <popey> i dont need to
[19:01] <popey> I'm 40, I know what forums look like
[19:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> great, u know it al, then.
[19:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> gotta go.
[19:02] <SuperEngineer> well that's one way of running away!
[19:03]  * solarcloud_3scrn fixing keyboard :(
[19:04] <SuperEngineer> btw popey I could have sworn you were "27" - I've been "27" for nearly 2 decades :)
[19:05] <penguin42> popey: Ah, as ancient as me
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> ...well, nearly 3 decades actually [he says giving too much away]
[19:07] <SuperEngineer> aww come on someone - say "surely not!"
[19:11] <jacobw> surely not
[19:11] <SuperEngineer> thankyou
[19:19] <jacobw> i wish to FSF was less doom mongering
[19:19] <jacobw> s/to/the/
[19:21] <dwatkins> I'm in two minds about it, jacobw - on the one hand this sort of thing needs pointing out, but on the other, I have issues with the way RMS said what he did.
[19:21] <dwatkins> as you say, scaremongering, paraphrased.
[19:24] <jacobw> free software protects users from malicous software / [because of the inclusion of the shopping lens] ubuntu has become a counter example
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> is the code for Ubuntu suddenly not available then?
[19:26] <jacobw> that just doesn't follow, integration with a proprietary service does not make free software malicous software
[19:32] <shauno> I'm not sure I'd agree.  if my mac did the same thing, I can just imagine the headlines
[19:33] <penguin42> jacobw: I agree it's scare mongering, but I basically agree with the sentiment
[19:34] <jacobw> i don't like because i don't want the performance of my launcher to depend on the responsiveness of web services
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: that is the nearest thing to a sensible objection so far... good thinking
[19:37] <jacobw> i don't have moral objections to graphical shells :|
[19:38] <penguin42> My main problem is that it makes something that was previously just a local thing now go external; and thus it's only by thinking you know you're potentially leaking something - and that's a dangerous precident
[19:43] <jacobw> i don't see these kind of architecture as local operations going external
[19:44] <jacobw> s/these/this/
[19:44] <penguin42> jacobw: Well in the previous version stuff you typed in the search box was entirely local; someone upgrading or someone who didn't know about the feature would blindly carrying on thinking stuff was local
 i don't like because i don't want the performance of my launcher to depend on the responsiveness of web services
[19:46] <popey> it shouldn't be
[19:46] <popey> the scopes are asynchronous
[19:46] <popey> if it is slowed by the shopping results then it's a bug which should be filed
[19:53] <jacobw> popey: the dash updates each time a result comes back from the query, it's not responsive during that time
[19:53] <popey> what isnt responsive?
[19:55] <jacobw> popey: while testing quantal, i found that if i searched for something in the launcher, while the dash was searching amazon it was slow to backspace or switch to an application
[19:56] <popey> i can't reproduce that here
[19:58] <jacobw> popey: i haven't tested this since quantal was released, i follow the reasoning that scopes being asynchronous shouldn't block the shell on a query but it still requires multiple updates of the dash for each search
[19:58] <SuperEngineer> some words of wisdom found a few secounds ago: http://randall.executiv.es/bestsearchintheworld
[19:59] <SuperEngineer> hmm *seconds
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> time to go eat heating replacement home made stu - see yaz all later
[20:30] <salzb> t
[20:31] <penguin42> v ?
[20:47] <jacobw> i have a strange problem with virt-install, i'm trying to use --location to get the initrd and kernel by http, the files download to /var/lib/libvirt/boot but disappear as soon as virt-install exits, so libvirt can't use the files to boot the VM
[21:59] <hazrpg> hey all \o
[21:59] <hazrpg> hows things?
[22:01] <hazrpg> Anyone good with looking at ALSA issues? Cos for some reason, no matter what audio input device I use, I'm getting a lot of white noise: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e0c6fb7e10624bf7691aa2b405cf0d3968e56c63
[22:01] <brobostigon> evening hazrpg
[22:01] <hazrpg> brobostigon: good evening ^_^
[22:02] <brobostigon> :)
[22:02] <hazrpg> brobostigon: long time no see :)
[22:02] <brobostigon> hazrpg: yes, definatly. :)
[22:03] <hazrpg> brobostigon: how's things?
[22:03] <brobostigon> hazrpg: good bits, and bad. and you?
[22:03] <hazrpg> brobostigon: same...
[22:04] <dwatkins> does anyone know of a good set of browser-controllable mains plug adapters for UK plugs?
[22:04] <brobostigon> hazrpg:  :) :(
[22:04] <hazrpg> brobostigon: currently living in EG at the moment, so trying to be a bit active on ubuntu-eg more recently (just cos it helps to know the people for meetups, etc ^_^)
[22:04] <popey> dwatkins, browser controllable?
[22:04] <popey> dwatkins, what do you hope to control?
[22:04] <brobostigon> hazrpg: EG ?
[22:05] <dwatkins> popey: yeah, so I can press buttons on an internally-served webpage (in my flat) and turn on or off a light, printer, monitor etc.
[22:05] <hazrpg> popey: think he's referring to plugs that can be turned on/off via a browser, am I right? dwatkins
[22:05] <popey> oh i see
[22:05] <dwatkins> yeah hazrpg
[22:05] <hazrpg> not sure I know of any, but I'll have a quick look
[22:05] <dwatkins> I have a remote control for mains socket adapters, but the reception isn't so good, and I tend to lose the controller
[22:06] <dwatkins> I've looked around but can't see any for home use - we had one at work in my last job, but I imagine it was quite expensive
[22:06] <dwatkins> I guess the alternative is to write my own with X10 adapters
[22:07] <dwatkins> I was looking at http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/categories/X10-Home-Automation/X10-Computer-Control/ previously
[22:09] <brobostigon> !ubuntu-eg
[22:10] <dwatkins> #ubuntu-eg, the Egyptian Ubuntu channel? ;)
[22:10] <brobostigon> ah, :)
[22:11] <brobostigon> i couldnt put my finger, on which country it referred to.
[22:11] <dwatkins> ahh, I just looked it up here http://userpage.chemie.fu-berlin.de/diverse/doc/ISO_3166.html
[22:11] <brobostigon> :)
[22:12] <dwatkins> (note: that standard has the United Kindgom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as 'GB' not 'UK' as commonly used in domains, but you know that anyway)
[22:14] <hazrpg> dwatkins: yup, I knew ^_^
[22:14] <hazrpg> dwatkins: how about this? http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_digital/np8800.html
[22:15] <dwatkins> nice, hazrpg - thanks
[22:15] <hazrpg> only downside is it needs to be plugged into a computer...
[22:15] <hazrpg> however, other devices can be shut off using it though
[22:15] <dwatkins> hmm, seems to require a USB commection to a [running] computer
[22:15] <dwatkins> ah yes, as you just wrote
[22:16] <dwatkins> I think I'll investigate X10 under Linux, as I can attach a transmitting device to a mains socket and to my server and have slave receivers around the flat.
[22:16] <dwatkins> I already have a homeplug adapter to get ethernet in the bedroom.
[22:17] <dwatkins> If I'm lucky, I can have a webpage I can load on my phone, laptop or VPN'ed (or ssh-connected) device and turn things on or off from there or from the command line.
[22:20] <hazrpg> hmm, I found this... but it might be a pain to get working on anything other then an iOS device - http://store.apple.com/uk/product/H7338B/A/belkin-wemo-switch?afid=p228|GBUK&cid=AOS-UK-CSE-GoogleBase
[22:20] <hazrpg> dwatkins: however, that does essentially what you want it to
[22:20] <dwatkins> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialX10SmartHomeNetworking.html has some interesting links
[22:20] <dwatkins> thanks hazrpg - I'll look into it too
[22:21] <hazrpg> interesting
[22:21] <dwatkins> hazrpg: looks like there's a baby monitor in the same range, too: http://www.belkin.com/uk/null-Belkin/p/P-F8J007
[22:28] <hazrpg> dwatkins: heh. Also found this, which is a bit odd to see, but could do the job too... just need a bundle of SIM cards though: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Fashion-Cellphone-Phone-PDA-GSM-RC-Remote-Control-Socket-Power-Switch-DD-/160785762731?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D150799966758%26ps%3D54
[22:28] <hazrpg> basically, its a switch that is controlled over GSM, so you send it a text message... or a phone call
[22:29] <dwatkins> hazrpg: that's a pretty cool idea
[22:30] <dwatkins> opens up new possibilities for a wrong number
[22:30] <hazrpg> xD
[22:31] <hazrpg> ooo, haven't clicked the link yet, but I just saw something that said ethernet controlled and coding...
[22:31] <hazrpg> dwatkins: this might be the bad boy you want: http://www.maplin.co.uk/power-management-system-534754?c=maplin&utm_source=gcs&utm_medium=gcs_search&utm_campaign=N05KF&utm_content=Energy+Saving+Products
[22:31] <dwatkins> some of that description is amusingly badly translated
[22:32] <dwatkins> oh neat
[22:32] <hazrpg> apparently you programme it via USB, and control via ethernet... sounds good1
[22:33] <dwatkins> yeah, aside from being Windows only it does look pretty good
[22:33] <dwatkins> perhaps some USB snooping will change that
[22:34] <hazrpg> yeah, I just noticed that snagg too
[22:35] <dwatkins> no worries, could be useful for work (save me reaching down under my desk to enable mains adapters)
[22:35] <hazrpg> shouldn't be too hard to hack though, one would assume it just sends some usb headers about
[22:35] <dwatkins> yeah
[22:35] <hazrpg> heh, yeah USB snooping like you said ^_^
[22:36] <hazrpg> half tempted to get one myself now ^_^
[22:36] <dwatkins> haha, you know a site isn't particularly well written when the search field specifies to only use one term
[22:36] <hazrpg> heh yeah
[22:37] <hazrpg> one way to stop xss though I guess
[22:37] <hazrpg> although, not fully... " AND " might still break it
[22:38] <hazrpg> dwatkins: what site are you on that allows only one word?
[22:39] <dwatkins> hazrpg: https://www.letsautomate.com/10075.cfm
[22:40] <dwatkins> I don't seem to be able to get to the page with this on, but it sounds like what I'm after, assuming I can control the devices from Linux: X10 PC Starter Kit CM12U (Serial & USB, 2 x 2026UK Dimmers) No Software
[22:40] <hazrpg> brobostigon: sorry, just spotted that... yeah EG = Egypt :)
[22:41] <dwatkins> I think that's the same as on http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/
[22:41] <hazrpg> dwatkins: if it helps, use google as your search engine instead... just add "site:www.whatever.com" at the end
[22:42] <dwatkins> hazrpg: I tried :) thanks
[22:42] <hazrpg> ah lol
[22:43] <brobostigon> hazrpg: :)
[22:44] <dwatkins> ooh neat, they also sell bayonet fittings
[22:44] <hazrpg> bah, still can't figure out whats happening with my input :/
[22:44] <hazrpg> dwatkins: that the kettle lead power plug?
[22:45] <hazrpg> dwatkins: I see a few of those that can be controlled via ethernet... but wasn't sure if you wanted anything like that
[22:45] <dwatkins> hazrpg: I'm looking at http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/X10-Computer-Interface-Serial-CM11-or-CM12.html and  http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/Marmitek-X10-Appliance-Module-AM12U.html
[22:46] <dwatkins> they're just mains adapters, the first to attach to the PC to send X10 commands around the ring main, the second is a single appliance module which I can attach to anything with a 13-Amp plug.
[22:46] <brobostigon> led zeppelin, bbc2, :)
[22:47] <dwatkins> yay for iPlayer, brobostigon :D
[22:47] <dwatkins> cheers
[22:47] <brobostigon> dwatkins: :)
[22:47] <hazrpg> brobostigon, dwatkins: yay for vpn & iplayer ;D
[22:48]  * dwatkins sniggers
[22:48] <brobostigon> hazrpg: :D
[22:48] <dwatkins> I have squid on my netbook/server at home as our office traffic gets routed via another country, hazrpg
[22:48] <dwatkins> squid as in the proxy, obv.
[22:48] <dwatkins> I don't have a squid on my netbook, that would be surreal.
[22:50] <brobostigon> one talented drummer, whoever he is.
[22:52] <hazrpg> dwatkins: i knew ;)
[22:52] <dwatkins> I forget I don't need to specify such things here.
[22:52] <hazrpg> dwatkins: :P
[22:52] <hazrpg> why is it getting routed to a different country?
[22:53] <hazrpg> seems like an odd thing to do, unless the headoffice was elsewhere
[22:53] <brobostigon> robert plants voice, isnt as good as it was, but it aint bad.
[22:53] <hazrpg> brobostigon: indeed
[22:54] <brobostigon> hazrpg: :)
[22:54] <brobostigon> hazrpg: there is much clearer decline, with people like, ian anderson.
[22:54] <dwatkins> hazrpg: yeah, we're just a small satellite office, the bigger one is in the other country, so we just have a direct link to it and its it for our internets
[22:54] <dwatkins> s/its/use/
[22:56] <brobostigon> jason bonham, :)
[22:57] <brobostigon> shows, what he father taught him.
[22:57] <brobostigon> his*
[22:59] <dwatkins> alternatively, I could get this and a cheap switch: http://www.amazon.co.uk/X10-POWERFLASH-UNIVERSAL-INTERFACE/dp/B0018D7ROK/
[23:05] <brobostigon> jimmy page, is still the blatant showoff, he used to be,
[23:23] <dwatkins> haha, playing an electric guitar with a bow always amuses me
[23:25] <brobostigon> reminds me how some people play a flatsteel.
[23:28] <brobostigon> i wouldnt mind, him being my drum teacher.
[23:29] <brobostigon> however, as i found out, my current drum teacher, did some work for jethro tull, late 90's, that not bad cradentials.
[23:30] <dwatkins> indeed it ain't
[23:30] <dwatkins> I always wanted to meet the drummer from Ozric Tentacles, until I saw them live on stage and they were completely hammered.
[23:30] <brobostigon> ouch
[23:30] <dwatkins> they managed surprisingly well, in fairness
[23:31] <dwatkins> this was around the time they stopped appearing, though
[23:31] <dwatkins> I gather one of them went on to have a fairly reasonable solo career
[23:31] <brobostigon> unlike, some occasions with liam gallagher.
[23:32] <brobostigon> ah.
[23:34] <brobostigon> although, it would cost a fortune, to have someone like, bonham or perry, to teach, that is if they would.
[23:41] <dwatkins> a friend of mine teaches the children of some famour people piano
[23:41] <dwatkins> she comes highly reccomended by other famous people, which helps
[23:41] <dwatkins> s/famour/famous/
[23:41] <brobostigon> definatly.
[23:42] <brobostigon> dwatkins: this i can play, vaguely. the song that is on now, just made not as fast as him.
[23:42] <dwatkins> nice, brobostigon
[23:42] <dwatkins> I assume it's not just ascending power chords like it just looked like
[23:43] <brobostigon> dwatkins: it is mostly a basic thre beat, with some interesting fills.
[23:43] <dwatkins> what's the song called?
[23:43] <brobostigon> three*
[23:43] <dwatkins> cheers, I shall redress my ignorance by buying an album
[23:43] <dwatkins> (I was about to do that anyway)
[23:44] <brobostigon> dwatkins: watch his right hand.
[23:44] <dwatkins> I've recently been tidying up my music collection, tagging things correctly and buying the CDs I didn't own, so this fits nicely with this project.
[23:44] <dwatkins> down/up/down?
[23:44] <brobostigon> then listen, he is playing plus the bass, in pairs of three.
[23:46] <dwatkins> yeah
[23:46] <dwatkins> any album reccomendations?
[23:48] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i like the three set, early days, compilations.
[23:49] <dwatkins> thanks, wasn't sure as in many cases the track order of original albums is carefully chosen, whereas 'best of' albums are just a bit random.
[23:49] <dwatkins> hahaha, I can't watch 'The Relic' on iPlayer on my iPad for 'legal reasons'
[23:50]  * dwatkins puts Die Hard with a Vengance on instead
[23:51] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:52] <dwatkins> c ya brobostigon
[23:52] <dwatkins> likewise
[23:52] <brobostigon> good night dwatkins
[23:54] <dwatkins> aha, excellent: http://eclipsehomeauto.com/cm15a_on_linux/cm15a.shtml and http://somethinginteractive.com/blog/2009/05/06/guide-x10-cm15a-ubuntu/ detail X10 applications for Linux.
[23:57] <dwatkins> hazrpg: you may find those links interesting, looks like they should work with this http://www.uk-automation.co.uk/products/Marmitek-X10-CM15Pro-Computer-Interface-with-Transceiver.html
[23:59] <penguin42> heck that stuff ain't cheap