[00:00] true, penguin42 [00:00] I was hoping for something about a fifth the price [00:00] I'd consider building it myself, but I'm not comfortable with messing with mains voltages. [00:00] yeh ditto [00:03] almost cheaper to use rack-pdus depending on the number of ports you needed in one place [00:03] penguin42: I considered that, havn't looked up prices yet, but if they're in the low three-figure range, it might be about the same [00:04] we had a really simple mains splitter on the network in my previous job, never saw it, but I used it to power stuff up and down from the other side of the atlantic a couple times [00:06] dwatkins: What you trying to control? [00:07] penguin42: just curious really, I have a remote for a VPN unit, light and print server (i.e. nothing high-wattage) and wondered if I can control them via a web browser or similar. [00:07] What I have is essentially this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Remote-Control-Socket-Set/dp/B000H9HU70/ [00:08] (but doesn't look awful) [00:08] haha [00:08] dwatkins: The interesting stuff with the 'control it via a web browser' is what to connect that control to [00:09] http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_digital/np8800.html isn't cheap [00:09] indeed, penguin42 - and windows-only [00:10] dwatkins: *clicks* link [00:10] So, my options are: continue to use the remote (which has poor range), spend a hundred or so pounds on an X10 solution (and have fun setting it up to run under Ubuntu) or something else [00:11] dwatkins: Yeh you want to get a spare remote and a soldering iron; that way you don't mess with the 240v [00:11] penguin42: good call :) [00:11] I could setup some relays on a USB port [00:11] or opto-isolate them or something hoopy like that [00:11] or lego with a plunger onto the button :-) [00:12] haha, guess what my Arduino case is made from... [00:14] dwatkins: So normally the problem is whether you connect the DSL router to the PDU switch and whether that lets you screw up and turn your connection to said PDU switch off [00:14] dwatkins: lego ;)? [00:15] hmm, just thought! [00:16] why not just get a regular on/off switch device... jimmy it together with some wires to the off/on mechanism and wire directly to an arduino ;D [00:17] dwatkins: The 8 port APC masterwitches are about 400gbp which is I guess a bit OTT [00:17] surrogates just came on fox-movies (via nilesat in egypt) [00:18] always an odd film to watch - but bruce willis non-the-less [00:18] hazrpg: With dirty string vest? [00:19] penguin42: *raises eyebrow* Hmm? [00:19] hazrpg: Bruce willis; he normally has a dirty string vest somewhere in most of his films [00:19] penguin42: yeah, APC switches seem to be rather pricy. I'm not looking to switch the DSL router on or off (that stays on permanently) just a few devices I don't always use. [00:20] dwatkins: Yep [00:21] hazrpg: this is my phone charger/holder at home: http://i.eho.st/pjxg6ekh.jpg [00:22] it has a cable restraint so I can just slide the phone in [00:22] (and out) [00:25] penguin42: ah, heh, possibly [00:26] dwatkins: nice ^_^ [00:27] cheers [00:28] It took a couple iterations to get it right. [00:28] dwatkins: what made you want to do it? [00:28] other than having the phone tilted the right way to quickly view it [00:29] hazrpg: I got fed up with having to find the cable every evening, made a stand-up stand and learned a few things, then made this one after seeing the wooden 'alarm clock music player' style phone stand [00:29] I should really take a photo with it showing the time in the correct orientation [00:30] heh, interesting [00:31] wish I had some lego lying around... always wanted to make a bed-side dock, mainly cos the official dock is no longer available [00:32] A colleague gave me a box of it, her kids weren't using it :D [00:37] hazrpg: a slightly improved photo: http://rowla.dyndns.org/images/alarm_clock.jpg === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:49] dwatkins: heh, nice photo quality there! Looks good in that. :D [05:51] dwatkins: sorry it took so long, was up doing video editing for a video I was responding to a question for in #ubuntu-eg ... took longer than I thought it would... but hurray its done! \o/ http://youtu.be/xEGtn_Cezyo [06:27] \o [09:08] * solarcloud_3scrn has opened his present of a new apple UK keyboard. [09:08] :) [09:43] hazrpg: no worries, nice video demo too. [09:43] solarcloud_3scrn: the wired or wireless one? [09:51] dwatkins, Wired .. funny usb interface .. but seems to work alright., [09:51] just been on the phone to my dad .. he 's happy for me :D [09:52] It is a good time to de-clutter this weekend .. I did all of mine last night. [09:53] Funny thing was I stopped every half an hour and did a Video diary to my cheap camera (10.2 MP) as a kinda vlog about thoughts. [09:53] very inspiring :) [09:55] I did a lot of decluttering recently, it helps me focus when there's less stuff in the way. [09:56] Google plus seems 2 be missing photos this morning ... :( [10:01] plus there is a seven hour gap in between posts .. dont you just hate that ? [10:12] I'm in 62 communities already :) [10:21] good morning everyone, [10:25] mornin brobostigon [10:25] solarcloud_3scrn: you mean the gap where the US is asleep? ;) [10:26] morning dwatkins [10:26] I'm on gmt time. [10:27] morning [10:28] morning popey [10:52] Let the shoveling commence .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G0YSBuw3i0g#! [11:06] gosh, he's a wide chap, and no wonder if he eats that lot [11:11] however, i did discover via that video a nice advert for ocado iphone app :) [11:33] popey, As a moderator for google communities, (as I am one myself for the 99% commune) .. I was wondering if there has been any 'tasks' that you've been appointed to-do. either from the community or google ? [11:35] they have only existed for a couple of days [11:35] solarcloud_3scrn, not really [11:35] we haven't set any rules in place yet, or roles [11:35] AlanBell, true, I'm loading gigabytes of info onto my communities as we speak :) [11:35] but i have rejected some posts [11:35] me too. [11:36] gigabytes of info ?? [11:36] I do like the D.I.Y. c-groups. [11:38] AlanBell, Yes, my external hard drive said on Friday " Aww crap, I'm in overdrive for the next couple of days while I share all those pics/vids/ and tracks that have been dormant for so long " .. :-) [11:39] * solarcloud_3scrn wonders if 'anonymous' have woken up to this new platform , yet ?? anyone seen anything ? [11:41] Slightly strange that I see invites for groups hat I am already in though .. were do I file a bug ?? [11:41] **where [11:59] I think you are seeing slightly more in the communities feature than I am [12:00] it is just a way of posting and discussing stuff with "people interested in topic foo" rather than "people I know" [12:00] but apart from a different audience selection methodology it is just the same as before isn't it? [12:01] just been catching up on the new lens privacy flamefest [12:03] anyone got a few minutes to test bug 1087873 [12:03] Launchpad bug 1087873 in unity-lens-github (Ubuntu) "lens privacy feature does not work on all lenses" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087873 [12:04] basically install unity-lens-github from the software centre and flip the privacy switch in settings and see if it stops working [12:04] AlanBell, Personally feeling part of a community is the best news so far this Month . I'm just stoked in a big way. I put an advert in the national newspaper to join the local community (3 papers) .. So I expect big disruptance next week. [12:05] .. but it's like the Hotel night receptionists book will say .. nothing happened. probably [12:06] breakfast was a Yorkie bar today :) [12:15] DIY c-groups? [12:18] jacobw, Yeah like DIY biuld your own rig/computer G+community .. if I see the link I'll post you. [12:19] i see :) [12:21] have to say that it is a bit slow though .. for example when i see a sub-category it says "50 new posts" but when i click on the category there is only 10 or so. [12:26] CyanogenMod is a massive community cosidering it's all opensource .. 10,000 members ! Go opensource !! [12:34] there's a lot of large open source communities === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:42] morning all; I could do with some help on setting up 5.1 sound on Ubuntu 12.10 through HDMI.. it's not outputting sound and not sure where to look. pavucontrol doesn't have a 'test speakers' option [12:50] hmm I wish there was a firefox-esr package [12:56] penguin42: i thought there was [13:01] penguin42: just googled and found a ton of 'how to install firefox esr in ubuntu: wget firefox-esr.bz2' [13:01] yeh, don't see any packaged versions in the repo, and a bug where someone asked for it is a won't-fix-we-haven't-got-time [13:01] could just download the upstream [13:02] * penguin42 wants it so he can run pentadactyl again [13:03] * jacobw uses vimperator [13:03] penguin42: why pentadactyl? [13:04] jacobw: I've been using pentadactyl for a while and I can't quite describe what's missing, but it feels like a lot [13:05] heck, the ESR timescales are still only about a year - not that extended [13:06] penguin42: what's missing in vimperator? [13:07] jacobw: Let me get back to you on that; I've been using vimperator for a few days and I keep kind of swearing at it and not quite figuring out exactly what's missing [13:08] RIP Patrick Moore http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20657939 [13:08] :-( [13:09] :-( [13:09] Nooooo!! [13:10] AlanBell, did you just update his Wikipedia article? [13:12] * jacobw thinks AlanBell isn't faster than the Wikipedians [13:13] first change was apparently at 12:59 [13:15] :( [13:15] n0000! an life through & of intelligence is always a loss - please, let this not be true [13:16] ...fare thee well, Patrick [13:31] just found a cute way of creating a unique [but not memorable] password: clean your keyboard while pooter is active ☺ [13:32] pwgen -Bsy 12 [13:34] There's no Wikipedia article for vajazzles. Why? [13:41] dunno, ask in #wikipedia perhaps [13:41] * AlanBell still wants someone to try the github lens [13:42] does ubuntu have a ppa or similar where I download a darn heating engineer? I've just replaced the thermo-couple & still no heating!... me diggy no further into boiler as me no like unwanted loud bang type noises [13:44] or maybe a ppa where I can find out the cost the 2 halogen heaters no in use to ward off jack frost [13:44] *now [13:45] SuperEngineer: No but if you get enough machines and try and rebuild the repo it should keep you warm [13:45] lol [13:47] AlanBell, will it send all your github searches to Amazon? >_> [13:47] hey - if Ranolph Fiennes can put up with -90 I guess I survive [just need to nick his polar gear & I'll be ok I guess] [13:49] it's -11 overnight here in Bavaria [13:51] YOLO Toure is on for Kompany. === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [13:52] seems to have got a bit warmer here, quite a reasonable +4c in Manchester; that's abotu 5c warmer than it was earlier in the week [13:52] it's been fairly warm in Edinburgh too, although it's set to go down to about -2'c on Monday night. [13:52] no, I lie, -4'c [13:54] dwatkins: We had that on early Thursday morning http://www.wolframalpha.com/share/clip?f=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e3m4ejlcqe3 [13:56] but yes next week does look like it's going to be mostly around 0 perhaps pulling itself a few C above around the middle of the day [13:58] hmm & anyone seen next week's *snow* forecast? - not good without heating [13:58] * SuperEngineer thinks: this will be good for the soul - remind me of what less fortuante peeps are always going through [13:58] *fortunate [13:58] SuperEngineer: Of course you could just get the boiler engineer in [13:58] Pendulum: you think I haven'r been trying!!!! [13:59] SuperEngineer: If you're really desperate Gritish Bas have been advertising that you can supposedly ring them up for one off fixes [13:59] yep. that's what I was thinking as well [14:05] GentileBen: nope, it sends all your amazon searches to github as it happens [14:06] AlanBell, are you watching the derby? [14:06] the what? [14:08] http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20657350 [14:09] no, not into sport [14:10] didn't the derby used to be about horses or something? [14:27] AlanBell: not since about 1890. [14:28] It now means "sporting contest between two teams based within the same city". [14:29] There are exceptions though - big cities like London have about 20 teams, whilst radioactive wastelands like the north-east don't have many teams. [14:29] Eg. Newcastle-Sunderland is known as the Tyne-Wear derby despite nobody else caring. [14:29] The more you know~~~ [14:41] jacobw: OK, things missing (you may know of similar shortcuts); Pentadactyl has s and S that start a google search (in the same or next tab), there is also ctrl-z that suspends it for the current tab so that all key strokes are passthroughs [14:42] /1/3 [14:42] er [14:49] penguin42: i'm only using o to open in current tab and t to open in new tab followed by the search prefixes ('google' foo, 'amazon' foo) [14:50] penguin42: i want the passthrough to be easily accessible [14:51] jacobw: nod; I guess the ctrl-z is intended to be like backgrounding vi [14:52] penguin42: gmail is the use case mentioned in the faq, also you can scroll up and down slashdot articles and comments with j and k [14:52] jacobw: So what's the equivalent in vimperator of the ctrl-z in pentadactyl? [14:58] penguin42: the vimperator faq says it's ctrl-z, but it doesn't work for me [14:58] jacobw: Hmm, me neither [14:59] I think my new flat is designed to troll postmen or something [15:00] non-existent postcode? [15:00] I don't have a postbox in the main area, there's a notice up saying he should deliver it direct to my door, but my door doesn't have a letterbox. [15:01] nope, I have a postcode and my flat exists on most registries [15:02] ok, a friend has lived in a few new-build flats where the postcode system hadn't caught up yet [15:02] haha [15:03] you need a US style mailbox to the side of your door [15:03] or a shredder [15:03] unfortunately ignorance isn't an excuse to not paying bills [15:04] damn [15:04] need a new door really, for some reason my door has big weak-ass windows in it [15:04] * penguin42 tries to avoid Windows [15:04] As much as I am ashamed to ask.. anyone up to date with facebook [in particular re Facebook/Gwibber]? [15:04] a door running windows ce sounds terrible [15:05] Gwibber has stopped updating f/b [15:05] indeed [15:05] SuperEngineer: use Pidgin/Empathy for Facebook IM (it's XMPP based) [15:05] I have succesfully re-authorised it just in case [15:05] SuperEngineer: or at least, it's accessible by XMPP [15:06] yeh - gwibber set up for XMPP a/c - and has been for agres - no trouble in past but now no updates... [15:06] ...Empathy might well be worth a go though [15:06] thanks jacobw [15:07] a/c? [15:09] oops - just closed xchat by mistake :( [15:15] jacobw: hmmm - empathy for chat only - I was looking for something that shows postings [15:15] g [15:15] wibber stylie [15:15] like the web interface? :) [15:16] exactly [15:16] there used to be a facebook app [like an early desktop widget] in 11.something - not there in software centre now - boo hiss [15:17] [using 12.04] [15:17] isn't this the use case for unity web apps? [15:17] yup [15:17] is it viable / reliable to install on 12.04 [15:18] ? [15:21] fogger for instance [15:22] ah, i forgot it was new in 12.10 [15:23] i've been using mint for a while [15:27] * SuperEngineer also has Mint installed [for Wine & that wonderful google photo app whose name dare not be mentioned ;) - SuperEngineer doesn't want to expose a Windows "structure" to the outside world on main op sys [15:28] ...so would fogger be ok anyone... sounds promising but seems very java script based [15:33] you can use those things with unity too [15:34] fogger looks like an experimental project [15:34] yeah... but can I use webapps on 12.04? [15:38] you can install the preview from the webapps ppa [15:40] repository ppa:webapps/preview that one? [15:41] yeah [15:41] cheers - will give it a go - thanks jacobw [15:50] o/ popey [15:50] o/ [15:52] jacobw: well that was a fail - thank heavens for ppa-purge [15:53] i don't think the unity team intends to backport any of the dependencies of webapps [15:54] time to say bbs - need to clear down a few things methinks [16:21] can someone have a look at this please http://paste.ubuntu.com/1421307/ [16:22] synaptic, software xwnre, software sources et al are all now snafu'd [16:22] so what does line 3 of that look like? [16:23] it does tell you exactly where the error is [16:25] well that was I was expecting it say but line 3 = 1 word: ain [16:26] [and that's not a spelling mistake [16:26] can you pastebin that whole file [16:26] all of the above software, synaptic etc give onlt that clue [16:26] the file is malformed [16:26] *only [16:26] its quite clear [16:27] popey please make it as clear to my brain as it is to yours [16:27] SuperEngineer: Please pastebin the file [16:27] E: Type ‘ain’ is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webapps-preview-precise.list [16:27] line three of the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webapps-preview-precise.list is malformed [16:27] SuperEngineer: All those things share the same file parser, and that error is telling you exactly the error - now lets see the file and we'll be able to spot it [16:28] paste /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webapps-preview-precise.list and we will see line 3 has erroneous characters [16:28] will do [16:29] hmmm... that *was* the file I pasted [16:30] ..307 just has the error - not the actual file [16:30] I have squid-deb-proxy running on a server, is there an easy way of removing redundant packages from its cache? [16:31] SuperEngineer: My guess is that you pasted into that file from somewhere else (on the web?) and the previous line ends with an m and it should really be a single line that ends in main [16:31] oops - checked the pastebin - ignore that last comment please [16:32] paste coming up.. [16:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1421333/ [16:33] SuperEngineer: Just delete that 3rd line [16:33] penguin42 wins :D [16:33] as simple as that!? [16:34] yes [16:34] line should start "deb" or "deb-src" [16:34] not "ain" :) [16:34] popey: Well, I'm disappointed the previous line didn't end with an m [16:34] half a star then [16:34] SuperEngineer: All lines in these files should normally start with deb or deb-src or be a # comment, if they aren't then they're normally just plain wrong [16:35] so delete "ain" or add an "m" to make it main or deb main or deb-src main or... [16:36] SuperEngineer: Just delete it [16:36] will do [16:36] ...and by the way - you're heroes, thankyou [16:43] popey & penguin42 - I'm sure you'll both be surprised & amazed to know that synaptic, s/w sources & s/w centre are all now working aok ;) [16:43] thankyou once again [16:44] SuperEngineer: No problem; trust the error messages - they're normally pretty good [16:45] [even more so if one looks at the orignal msg, not the secondary generated in synaptic! [that's the one I wronly posted] [16:47] !ping [16:47] pong! [16:47] looking for most lightweight linux distro for a eee pc 701 that works well OOTB - suggestiosn? [16:48] don't think I'll be trying the webapps preview though as that's what snafu'd [16:48] mungjerry: Puppy linux is one I've heard of but not tried [16:48] using lubuntu 11.04 which needs an update, so wondering if anything else is better [16:48] have to say that puppy is a bit ....strange [16:49] mungjerry: How much RAM & storage have you got? [16:49] prefer a *buntu or debian derivative. i see cruncheee is no longer [16:49] ram 2gb [16:49] although cpu well slow [16:49] storage 4gb i think [16:49] heck, 4GB hmm [16:50] i know there's a few 701 owners usually in here [16:50] mungjerry: If you can get a bear Ubuntu onto it and then add MATE it should work reasonably well [16:51] i use debian and gnome3 on my eeepc 900, works well, but on the 701, debian would work well, but a lighter DE, like xfce. [16:51] any processor scaling issues? [16:51] mungjerry: not found anyhting yet, [16:52] maybe its unique to 701 [16:52] no idea. [16:52] debian stable or testing brobostigon [16:53] mungjerry: i am using sid, [16:53] mungjerry: testing should work fine, [16:57] any reason not to use sid/unstable? [16:58] mungjerry: There is a clue in the name [16:58] :P [16:58] but its debian... [16:58] mungjerry: at the time, gnome3 wasnt in testing, so had to go with sid. now that gnome3 is in testing, it doesnt really matter. [16:59] mungjerry: It'll be fine most of the time, but then you'll get something fun (the one I remember was an accidental swap of uid/gid fields in /etc/passwd) [16:59] right - let's get on with the sunday system clean-up now, once again - bbs [17:00] i'm mainly gonna run chrome, irc and irc server on it [17:00] mungjerry: but unless you can fix pretty much anything that will go wrong, dont go with sid, use testing, [17:00] mungjerry: ah, a server, use stable then. [17:00] i probably don't use it enough to need new stuff, running 11.04 atm for exaplone [17:01] might settle for inbetween [17:06] brobostigon: one more quicky - any problems with wifi driver in debian? [17:06] is it included etc [17:06] you normally have to install the -firmware packages for a lot of stuff in debian, but once you've done that it's normally ok [17:06] mungjerry: not on the 900, no, the etheros driver is open and in kernel. but you need a fairly recent kernel. [17:07] thanks chaps [17:07] :) [18:00] Ok.. now missing the central heating, still not found a "repairmyboiler" ppa - so cold my fungers art missung the keybird kays! [18:01] [so no change there ☺] === Experium is now known as FailDrain [18:34] SuperEngineer: Got eletric heaters? [18:37] penguin42: yup - & the foresight to think about how much 2x halagen heaters are gonna cost by the time all is fixed [18:37] evening [18:38] SuperEngineer: I've still not figured out the relative costs; sure gas ch is cheaper per kwh of gas v kwh of electric, but I'm assuming those heaters are more direct as to where it's needed [18:39] penguin42: thanks sounds comforting to the wallet [18:41] [I think I'm more annoyed [for now] that I couldn't fix it myself! -the temperature predicted if not fixed soon is just an added insult [18:42] is it a modern boiler or an old one? [18:43] old one - maybe time to replace [18:43] [it's the third fail in as manty years [18:43] ! fixed the last 2 myself tho [18:43] SuperEngineer: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:44] oi - l3 - who asked you to join in! [18:44] SuperEngineer: We have a modern one; not a chance of us fixing it, and we've had to get the people in a few times in the space of 3 or 4 years [18:45] SuperEngineer: It has the heating pump internal, it failed with a spectacular leak after a year, and there's a pressure problem somewhere and it doesn't like coming on on cold mornings sometimes (Gah it's a boiler!) [18:45] ooo - nice modern condensing voiling that freezes when it get's cold - that's what I'm trying to avoid ;) [18:46] let's all play get lubboto annoyed [18:46] ! [18:46] ! you're stupid [18:47] [didn't dare respond to that - I win! lubotto [18:47] don't taunt the bot [18:47] ;) [18:47] for you a crunchy, and taste good with ketchup [18:48] crunchie + ketchup... nom nom! [18:48] wut [18:49] I can't remember where that comes from now (besides the paraphrased tolkien); "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! [18:49] jacobw: you need to ask lubotu the answer to wut! [18:50] !wut [18:50] :( [18:50] oh, he's shy. he PM'd me [18:51] ..me thinks it's surrendered [18:51] or it was wise enough to rewrite the rules :) [18:52] jacobw: what did it say? "don't taunt me - the others are doing enough to confuse me already"? [18:54] * SuperEngineer sees people already adding new rules to lubotu just to account for those from other planets ;) [18:57] and if anybody wonders why the sillyness... I'm celebrating getting a snafu'd system back [18:57] ...thanks to help from this here channel and it's people [18:57] long time no see #ubuntu-uk [18:57] how have you been? [19:00] btw lubotu3 says... Sorry, I don't know anything about "you're stupid" - I rest my case ;) [19:00] * SuperEngineer stops the taunting [19:03] o/ dutchie [19:05] which reminds me - where's the MartijnVdS - hope you're ok === d0m is now known as dw4tkins [19:22] jacobw, Here is that DIY computer rig community I was on about earlier :: https://plus.google.com/communities/114451196902016891873 [20:09] solarcloud_3scrn: thanks [20:10] k [20:31] Hey kids :) [20:33] peep peep [21:04] hey bigcalm [21:11] popey: http://www.sorrysap.com/ [21:12] yeah [21:12] thats just as bad as the windows #droidrage tbh [21:12] it is [21:13] http://v6.openerp.com/node/1291 interesting article about it though [21:13] I am not a fan of negative marketing in general these days [21:49] Anything which challenges SAP is a good thing, imho, AlanBell. [21:50] source: I use a SAP-based support ticketing system at work