[00:00] <dwatkins> true, penguin42
[00:00] <dwatkins> I was hoping for something about a fifth the price
[00:00] <dwatkins> I'd consider building it myself, but I'm not comfortable with messing with mains voltages.
[00:00] <penguin42> yeh ditto
[00:03] <penguin42> almost cheaper to use rack-pdus depending on the number of ports you needed in one place
[00:03] <dwatkins> penguin42: I considered that, havn't looked up prices yet, but if they're in the low three-figure range, it might be about the same
[00:04] <dwatkins> we had a really simple mains splitter on the network in my previous job, never saw it, but I used it to power stuff up and down from the other side of the atlantic a couple times
[00:06] <penguin42> dwatkins: What you trying to control?
[00:07] <dwatkins> penguin42: just curious really, I have a remote for a VPN unit, light and print server (i.e. nothing high-wattage) and wondered if I can control them via a web browser or similar.
[00:07] <dwatkins> What I have is essentially this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Remote-Control-Socket-Set/dp/B000H9HU70/
[00:08] <dwatkins> (but doesn't look awful)
[00:08] <penguin42> haha
[00:08] <penguin42> dwatkins: The interesting stuff with the 'control it via a web browser' is what to connect that control to
[00:09] <penguin42> http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_digital/np8800.html isn't cheap
[00:09] <dwatkins> indeed, penguin42 - and windows-only
[00:10] <hazrpg> dwatkins: *clicks* link
[00:10] <dwatkins> So, my options are: continue to use the remote (which has poor range), spend a hundred or so pounds on an X10 solution (and have fun setting it up to run under Ubuntu) or something else
[00:11] <penguin42> dwatkins: Yeh you want to get a spare remote and a soldering iron; that way you don't mess with the 240v
[00:11] <dwatkins> penguin42: good call :)
[00:11] <dwatkins> I could setup some relays on a USB port
[00:11] <dwatkins> or opto-isolate them or something hoopy like that
[00:11] <penguin42> or lego with a plunger onto the button :-)
[00:12] <dwatkins> haha, guess what my Arduino case is made from...
[00:14] <penguin42> dwatkins: So normally the problem is whether you connect the DSL router to the PDU switch and whether that lets you screw up and turn your connection to said PDU switch off
[00:14] <hazrpg> dwatkins: lego ;)?
[00:15] <hazrpg> hmm, just thought!
[00:16] <hazrpg> why not just get a regular on/off switch device... jimmy it together with some wires to the off/on mechanism and wire directly to an arduino ;D
[00:17] <penguin42> dwatkins: The 8 port APC masterwitches are about 400gbp which is I guess a bit OTT
[00:17] <hazrpg> surrogates just came on fox-movies (via nilesat in egypt)
[00:18] <hazrpg> always an odd film to watch - but bruce willis non-the-less
[00:18] <penguin42> hazrpg: With dirty string vest?
[00:19] <hazrpg> penguin42: *raises eyebrow* Hmm?
[00:19] <penguin42> hazrpg: Bruce willis; he normally has a dirty string vest somewhere in most of his films
[00:19] <dwatkins> penguin42: yeah, APC switches seem to be rather pricy. I'm not looking to switch the DSL router on or off (that stays on permanently) just a few devices I don't always use.
[00:20] <penguin42> dwatkins: Yep
[00:21] <dwatkins> hazrpg: this is my phone charger/holder at home: http://i.eho.st/pjxg6ekh.jpg
[00:22] <dwatkins> it has a cable restraint so I can just slide the phone in
[00:22] <dwatkins> (and out)
[00:25] <hazrpg> penguin42: ah, heh, possibly
[00:26] <hazrpg> dwatkins: nice ^_^
[00:27] <dwatkins> cheers
[00:28] <dwatkins> It took a couple iterations to get it right.
[00:28] <hazrpg> dwatkins: what made you want to do it?
[00:28] <hazrpg> other than having the phone tilted the right way to quickly view it
[00:29] <dwatkins> hazrpg: I got fed up with having to find the cable every evening, made a stand-up stand and learned a few things, then made this one after seeing the wooden 'alarm clock music player' style phone stand
[00:29] <dwatkins> I should really take a photo with it showing the time in the correct orientation
[00:30] <hazrpg> heh, interesting
[00:31] <hazrpg> wish I had some lego lying around... always wanted to make a bed-side dock, mainly cos the official dock is no longer available
[00:32] <dwatkins> A colleague gave me a box of it, her kids weren't using it :D
[00:37] <dwatkins> hazrpg: a slightly improved photo: http://rowla.dyndns.org/images/alarm_clock.jpg
[05:49] <hazrpg> dwatkins: heh, nice photo quality there! Looks good in that. :D
[05:51] <hazrpg> dwatkins: sorry it took so long, was up doing video editing for a video I was responding to a question for in #ubuntu-eg ... took longer than I thought it would... but hurray its done! \o/ http://youtu.be/xEGtn_Cezyo
[06:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:08]  * solarcloud_3scrn has opened his present of a new apple UK keyboard.
[09:08] <solarcloud_3scrn> :)
[09:43] <dwatkins> hazrpg: no worries, nice video demo too.
[09:43] <dwatkins> solarcloud_3scrn: the wired or wireless one?
[09:51] <solarcloud_3scrn> dwatkins, Wired .. funny usb interface .. but seems to work alright.,
[09:51] <solarcloud_3scrn> just been on the phone to my dad .. he 's happy for me :D
[09:52] <solarcloud_3scrn> It is a good time to de-clutter this weekend .. I did all of mine last night.
[09:53] <solarcloud_3scrn> Funny thing was I stopped every half an hour and did a Video diary to my cheap camera (10.2 MP) as a kinda vlog about thoughts.
[09:53] <solarcloud_3scrn> very inspiring :)
[09:55] <dwatkins> I did a lot of decluttering recently, it helps me focus when there's less stuff in the way.
[09:56] <solarcloud_3scrn> Google plus seems 2 be missing photos this morning ... :(
[10:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> plus there is a seven hour gap in between posts .. dont you just hate that ?
[10:12] <solarcloud_3scrn> I'm in 62 communities already :)
[10:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:25] <dwatkins> mornin brobostigon
[10:25] <dwatkins> solarcloud_3scrn: you mean the gap where the US is asleep? ;)
[10:26] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:26] <solarcloud_3scrn> I'm on gmt time.
[10:27] <popey> morning
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:52] <solarcloud_3scrn> Let the shoveling commence .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G0YSBuw3i0g#!
[11:06] <popey> gosh, he's a wide chap, and no wonder if he eats that lot
[11:11] <popey> however, i did discover via that video a nice advert for ocado iphone app :)
[11:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey, As a moderator for google communities, (as I am one myself for the 99% commune)  .. I was wondering if there has been any 'tasks' that you've been appointed to-do. either from the community or google ?
[11:35] <AlanBell> they have only existed for a couple of days
[11:35] <popey> solarcloud_3scrn, not really
[11:35] <popey> we haven't set any rules in place yet, or roles
[11:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> AlanBell, true, I'm loading gigabytes of info onto my communities as we speak :)
[11:35] <popey> but i have rejected some posts
[11:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> me too.
[11:36] <AlanBell> gigabytes of info ??
[11:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> I do like the D.I.Y. c-groups.
[11:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> AlanBell, Yes, my external hard drive said on Friday " Aww crap, I'm in overdrive for the next couple of days while I share all those pics/vids/ and tracks that have been dormant for so long " ..  :-)
[11:39]  * solarcloud_3scrn wonders if 'anonymous' have woken up to this new platform , yet ?? anyone seen anything ?
[11:41] <solarcloud_3scrn> Slightly strange that I see invites for groups hat I am already in though .. were do I file a bug ??
[11:41] <solarcloud_3scrn> **where
[11:59] <AlanBell> I think you are seeing slightly more in the communities feature than I am
[12:00] <AlanBell> it is just a way of posting and discussing stuff with "people interested in topic foo" rather than "people I know"
[12:00] <AlanBell> but apart from a different audience selection methodology it is just the same as before isn't it?
[12:01] <AlanBell> just been catching up on the new lens privacy flamefest
[12:03] <AlanBell> anyone got a few minutes to test bug 1087873
[12:04] <AlanBell> basically install unity-lens-github from the software centre and flip the privacy switch in settings and see if it stops working
[12:04] <solarcloud_3scrn> AlanBell, Personally feeling part of a community is the best news so far this Month . I'm just stoked in a big way. I put an advert in the national newspaper to join the local community (3 papers) .. So I expect big disruptance next week.
[12:05] <solarcloud_3scrn> .. but it's like the Hotel night receptionists book will say .. nothing happened. probably
[12:06] <solarcloud_3scrn> breakfast was a Yorkie bar today :)
[12:15] <jacobw> DIY c-groups?
[12:18] <solarcloud_3scrn> jacobw, Yeah like DIY biuld your own rig/computer G+community .. if I see the link I'll post you.
[12:19] <jacobw> i see :)
[12:21] <solarcloud_3scrn> have to say that it is a bit slow though .. for example when i see a sub-category it says "50 new posts" but when i click on the category there is only 10 or so.
[12:26] <solarcloud_3scrn> CyanogenMod is a massive community cosidering it's all opensource .. 10,000 members ! Go opensource !!
[12:34] <jacobw> there's a lot of large open source communities
[12:42] <andylockran> morning all; I could do with some help on setting up 5.1 sound on Ubuntu 12.10 through HDMI.. it's not outputting sound and not sure where to look.  pavucontrol doesn't have a 'test speakers' option
[12:50] <penguin42> hmm I wish there was a firefox-esr package
[12:56] <jacobw> penguin42: i thought there was
[13:01] <jacobw> penguin42: just googled and found a ton of 'how to install firefox esr in ubuntu: wget firefox-esr.bz2'
[13:01] <penguin42> yeh, don't see any packaged versions in the repo, and a bug where someone asked for it is a won't-fix-we-haven't-got-time
[13:01] <penguin42> could just download the upstream
[13:02]  * penguin42 wants it so he can run pentadactyl again
[13:03]  * jacobw uses vimperator
[13:03] <jacobw> penguin42: why pentadactyl?
[13:04] <penguin42> jacobw: I've been using pentadactyl for a while and I can't quite describe what's missing, but it feels like a lot
[13:05] <penguin42> heck, the ESR timescales are still only about a year - not that extended
[13:06] <jacobw> penguin42: what's missing in vimperator?
[13:07] <penguin42> jacobw: Let me get back to you on that; I've been using vimperator for a few days and I keep kind of swearing at it and not quite figuring out exactly what's missing
[13:08] <AlanBell> RIP Patrick Moore http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20657939
[13:08] <penguin42> :-(
[13:09] <jacobw> :-(
[13:09] <GentileBen> Nooooo!!
[13:10] <GentileBen> AlanBell, did you just update his Wikipedia article?
[13:12]  * jacobw thinks AlanBell isn't faster than the Wikipedians
[13:13] <penguin42> first change was apparently at 12:59
[13:15] <dwatkins> :(
[13:15] <SuperEngineer> n0000! an life through & of intelligence is always a loss - please, let this not be true
[13:16] <SuperEngineer> ...fare thee well, Patrick
[13:31] <SuperEngineer> just found a cute way of creating a unique [but not memorable] password:  clean your keyboard while pooter is active ☺
[13:32] <jacobw> pwgen -Bsy 12
[13:34] <GentileBen> There's no Wikipedia article for vajazzles. Why?
[13:41] <AlanBell> dunno, ask in #wikipedia perhaps
[13:41]  * AlanBell still wants someone to try the github lens
[13:42] <SuperEngineer> does ubuntu have a ppa or similar where I download a darn heating engineer?  I've just replaced the thermo-couple & still no heating!... me diggy no further into boiler as me no like unwanted loud bang type noises
[13:44] <SuperEngineer> or maybe a ppa where I can find out the cost the 2 halogen heaters no in use to ward off jack frost
[13:44] <SuperEngineer> *now
[13:45] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: No but if you get enough machines and try and rebuild the repo it should keep you warm
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> lol
[13:47] <GentileBen> AlanBell, will it send all your github searches to Amazon? >_>
[13:47] <SuperEngineer> hey - if Ranolph Fiennes can put up with -90 I guess I survive [just need to nick his polar gear & I'll be ok I guess]
[13:49] <jacobw> it's -11 overnight here in Bavaria
[13:51] <GentileBen> YOLO Toure is on for Kompany.
[13:52] <penguin42> seems to have got a bit warmer here, quite a reasonable +4c in Manchester; that's abotu 5c warmer than it was earlier in the week
[13:52] <dwatkins> it's been fairly warm in Edinburgh too, although it's set to go down to about -2'c on Monday night.
[13:52] <dwatkins> no, I lie, -4'c
[13:54] <penguin42> dwatkins: We had that on early Thursday morning http://www.wolframalpha.com/share/clip?f=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e3m4ejlcqe3
[13:56] <penguin42> but yes next week does look like it's going to be mostly around 0 perhaps pulling itself a few C above around the middle of the day
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> hmm & anyone seen next week's *snow* forecast? - not good without heating
[13:58]  * SuperEngineer thinks: this will be good for the soul - remind me of what less fortuante peeps are always going through
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> *fortunate
[13:58] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Of course you could just get the boiler engineer in
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> Pendulum: you think I haven'r been trying!!!!
[13:59] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: If you're really desperate Gritish Bas have been advertising that you can supposedly ring them up for one off fixes
[13:59] <SuperEngineer> yep.  that's what I was thinking as well
[14:05] <AlanBell> GentileBen: nope, it sends all your amazon searches to github as it happens
[14:06] <GentileBen> AlanBell, are you watching the derby?
[14:06] <AlanBell> the what?
[14:08] <GentileBen> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20657350
[14:09] <AlanBell> no, not into sport
[14:10] <AlanBell> didn't the derby used to be about horses or something?
[14:27] <GentileBen> AlanBell: not since about 1890.
[14:28] <GentileBen> It now means "sporting contest between two teams based within the same city".
[14:29] <GentileBen> There are exceptions though - big cities like London have about 20 teams, whilst radioactive wastelands like the north-east don't have many teams.
[14:29] <GentileBen> Eg. Newcastle-Sunderland is known as the Tyne-Wear derby despite nobody else caring.
[14:29] <GentileBen> The more you know~~~
[14:41] <penguin42> jacobw: OK, things missing (you may know of similar shortcuts); Pentadactyl has s and S that start a google search (in the same or next tab), there is also ctrl-z that suspends it for the current tab so that all key strokes are passthroughs
[14:42] <christel> /1/3
[14:42] <christel> er
[14:49] <jacobw> penguin42: i'm only using o to open in current tab and t to open in new tab followed by the search prefixes ('google' foo, 'amazon' foo)
[14:50] <jacobw> penguin42: i want the passthrough to be easily accessible
[14:51] <penguin42> jacobw: nod; I guess the ctrl-z is intended to be like backgrounding vi
[14:52] <jacobw> penguin42: gmail is the use case mentioned in the faq, also you can scroll up and down slashdot articles and comments with j and k
[14:52] <penguin42> jacobw: So what's the equivalent in vimperator of the ctrl-z in pentadactyl?
[14:58] <jacobw> penguin42: the vimperator faq says it's ctrl-z, but it doesn't work for me
[14:58] <penguin42> jacobw: Hmm, me neither
[14:59] <Azelphur> I think my new flat is designed to troll postmen or something
[15:00] <penguin42> non-existent postcode?
[15:00] <Azelphur> I don't have a postbox in the main area, there's a notice up saying he should deliver it direct to my door, but my door doesn't have a letterbox.
[15:01] <Azelphur> nope, I have a postcode and my flat exists on most registries
[15:02] <penguin42> ok, a friend has lived in a few new-build flats where the postcode system hadn't caught up yet
[15:02] <Azelphur> haha
[15:03] <jacobw> you need a US style mailbox to the side of your door
[15:03] <penguin42> or a shredder
[15:03] <jacobw> unfortunately ignorance isn't an excuse to not paying bills
[15:04] <penguin42> damn
[15:04] <Azelphur> need a new door really, for some reason my door has big weak-ass windows in it
[15:04]  * penguin42 tries to avoid Windows
[15:04] <SuperEngineer> As much as I am ashamed to ask.. anyone up to date with facebook [in particular re Facebook/Gwibber]?
[15:04] <jacobw> a door running windows ce sounds terrible
[15:05] <SuperEngineer> Gwibber has stopped updating f/b
[15:05] <Azelphur> indeed
[15:05] <jacobw> SuperEngineer: use Pidgin/Empathy for Facebook IM (it's XMPP based)
[15:05] <SuperEngineer> I have succesfully re-authorised it just in case
[15:05] <jacobw> SuperEngineer: or at least, it's accessible by XMPP
[15:06] <SuperEngineer> yeh - gwibber set up for XMPP a/c - and has been for agres - no trouble in past but now no updates...
[15:06] <SuperEngineer> ...Empathy might well be worth a go though
[15:06] <SuperEngineer> thanks jacobw
[15:07] <jacobw> a/c?
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> oops - just closed xchat by mistake :(
[15:15] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: hmmm - empathy for chat only - I was looking for something that shows postings
[15:15] <SuperEngineer> g
[15:15] <SuperEngineer> wibber stylie
[15:15] <jacobw> like the web interface? :)
[15:16] <SuperEngineer> exactly
[15:16] <SuperEngineer> there used to be a facebook app [like an early desktop widget] in 11.something - not there in software centre now - boo hiss
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> [using 12.04]
[15:17] <jacobw> isn't this the use case for unity web apps?
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> yup
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> is it viable / reliable to install on 12.04
[15:18] <SuperEngineer> ?
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> fogger for instance
[15:22] <jacobw> ah, i forgot it was new in 12.10
[15:23] <jacobw> i've been using mint for a while
[15:27]  * SuperEngineer also has Mint installed [for Wine & that wonderful google photo app whose name dare not be mentioned ;) - SuperEngineer doesn't want to expose a Windows "structure" to the outside world on main op sys
[15:28] <SuperEngineer> ...so would fogger be ok anyone... sounds promising but seems very java script based
[15:33] <jacobw> you can use those things with unity too
[15:34] <jacobw> fogger looks like an experimental project
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> yeah... but can I use webapps on 12.04?
[15:38] <jacobw> you can install the preview from the webapps ppa
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> repository ppa:webapps/preview  that one?
[15:41] <jacobw> yeah
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> cheers - will give it a go - thanks jacobw
[15:50] <jacobw> o/ popey
[15:50] <popey> o/
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: well that was a fail - thank heavens for ppa-purge
[15:53] <jacobw> i don't think the unity team intends to backport any of the dependencies of webapps
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> time to say bbs - need to clear down a few things methinks
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> can someone have a look at this please http://paste.ubuntu.com/1421307/
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> synaptic, software xwnre, software sources et al are all now snafu'd
[16:22] <penguin42> so what does line 3 of that look like?
[16:23] <penguin42> it does tell you exactly where the error is
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> well that was I was expecting it say but line 3 = 1 word: ain
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> [and that's not a spelling mistake
[16:26] <penguin42> can you pastebin that whole file
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> all of the above software, synaptic etc give onlt that clue
[16:26] <popey> the file is malformed
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> *only
[16:26] <popey> its quite clear
[16:27] <SuperEngineer> popey please make it as clear to my brain as it is to yours
[16:27] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Please pastebin the file
[16:27] <popey> E: Type ‘ain’ is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webapps-preview-precise.list
[16:27] <popey> line three of the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webapps-preview-precise.list is malformed
[16:27] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: All those things share the same file parser, and that error is telling you exactly the error - now lets see the file and we'll be able to spot it
[16:28] <popey> paste /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webapps-preview-precise.list and we will see line 3 has erroneous characters
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> will do
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... that *was* the file I pasted
[16:30] <penguin42> ..307 just has the error - not the actual file
[16:30] <mfraz74> I have squid-deb-proxy running on a server, is there an easy way of removing redundant packages from its cache?
[16:31] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: My guess is that you pasted into that file from somewhere else (on the web?) and the previous line ends with an    m     and it should really be a single line that ends in   main
[16:31] <SuperEngineer> oops - checked the pastebin - ignore that last comment please
[16:32] <SuperEngineer> paste coming up..
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1421333/
[16:33] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Just delete that 3rd line
[16:33] <popey> penguin42 wins :D
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> as simple as that!?
[16:34] <popey> yes
[16:34] <popey> line should start "deb" or "deb-src"
[16:34] <popey> not "ain" :)
[16:34] <penguin42> popey: Well, I'm disappointed the previous line didn't end with an m
[16:34] <popey> half a star then
[16:34] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: All lines in these files should normally start with   deb   or deb-src   or be a # comment, if they aren't then they're normally just plain wrong
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> so delete "ain" or add an "m" to make it main or deb main or deb-src main or...
[16:36] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Just delete it
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> will do
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> ...and by the way - you're heroes, thankyou
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> popey & penguin42 - I'm sure you'll both be surprised & amazed to know that synaptic, s/w sources & s/w centre are all now working aok ;)
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> thankyou once again
[16:44] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: No problem; trust the error messages - they're normally pretty good
[16:45] <SuperEngineer> [even more so if one looks at the orignal msg, not the secondary generated in synaptic! [that's the one I wronly posted]
[16:47] <mungjerry> !ping
[16:47] <mungjerry> looking for most lightweight linux distro for a eee pc 701 that works well OOTB - suggestiosn?
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> don't think I'll be trying the webapps preview though as that's what snafu'd
[16:48] <penguin42> mungjerry: Puppy linux is one I've heard of but not tried
[16:48] <mungjerry> using lubuntu 11.04 which needs an update, so wondering if anything else is better
[16:48] <mungjerry> have to say that puppy is a bit ....strange
[16:49] <penguin42> mungjerry: How much RAM & storage have you got?
[16:49] <mungjerry> prefer a *buntu or debian derivative. i see cruncheee is no longer
[16:49] <mungjerry> ram 2gb
[16:49] <mungjerry> although cpu well slow
[16:49] <mungjerry> storage 4gb i think
[16:49] <penguin42> heck, 4GB hmm
[16:50] <mungjerry> i know there's a few 701 owners usually in here
[16:50] <penguin42> mungjerry: If you can get a bear Ubuntu onto it and then add MATE it should work reasonably well
[16:51] <brobostigon> i use debian and gnome3 on my eeepc 900, works well, but on the 701, debian would work well, but a lighter DE, like xfce.
[16:51] <mungjerry> any processor scaling issues?
[16:51] <brobostigon> mungjerry: not found anyhting yet,
[16:52] <mungjerry> maybe its unique to 701
[16:52] <brobostigon> no idea.
[16:52] <mungjerry> debian stable or testing brobostigon
[16:53] <brobostigon> mungjerry: i am using sid,
[16:53] <brobostigon> mungjerry: testing should work fine,
[16:57] <mungjerry> any reason not to use sid/unstable?
[16:58] <penguin42> mungjerry: There is a clue in the name
[16:58] <mungjerry> :P
[16:58] <mungjerry> but its debian...
[16:58] <brobostigon> mungjerry: at the time, gnome3 wasnt in testing, so had to go with sid. now that gnome3 is in testing, it doesnt really matter.
[16:59] <penguin42> mungjerry: It'll be fine most of the time, but then you'll get something fun (the one I remember was an accidental swap of uid/gid fields in /etc/passwd)
[16:59] <SuperEngineer> right - let's get on with the sunday system clean-up now, once again - bbs
[17:00] <mungjerry> i'm mainly gonna run chrome, irc and irc server on it
[17:00] <brobostigon> mungjerry: but unless you can fix pretty much anything that will go wrong, dont go with sid, use testing,
[17:00] <brobostigon> mungjerry: ah, a server, use stable then.
[17:00] <mungjerry> i probably don't use it enough to need new stuff, running 11.04 atm for exaplone
[17:01] <mungjerry> might settle for inbetween
[17:06] <mungjerry> brobostigon: one more quicky - any problems with wifi driver in debian?
[17:06] <mungjerry> is it included etc
[17:06] <penguin42> you normally have to install the -firmware packages for a lot of stuff in debian, but once you've done that it's normally ok
[17:06] <brobostigon> mungjerry: not on the 900, no, the etheros driver is open and in kernel. but you need a fairly recent kernel.
[17:07] <mungjerry> thanks chaps
[17:07] <brobostigon> :)
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> Ok.. now missing the central heating, still not found a "repairmyboiler" ppa - so cold my fungers art missung the keybird kays!
[18:01] <SuperEngineer> [so no change there ☺]
[18:34] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Got eletric heaters?
[18:37] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: yup - & the foresight to think about how much 2x halagen heaters are gonna cost by the time all is fixed
[18:37] <jacobw> evening
[18:38] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I've still not figured out the relative costs; sure gas ch is cheaper per kwh of gas v kwh of electric, but I'm assuming those heaters are more direct as to where it's needed
[18:39] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: thanks sounds comforting to the wallet
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> [I think I'm more annoyed [for now] that I couldn't fix it myself!  -the temperature predicted if not fixed soon is just an added insult
[18:42] <penguin42> is it a modern boiler or an old one?
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> old one - maybe time to replace
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> [it's the third fail in as manty years
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> ! fixed the last 2 myself tho
[18:44] <SuperEngineer> oi - l3 - who asked you to join in!
[18:44] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: We have a modern one; not a chance of us fixing it, and we've had to get the people in a few times in the space of 3 or 4 years
[18:45] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It has the heating pump internal, it failed with a spectacular leak after a year, and there's a pressure problem somewhere and it doesn't like coming on on cold mornings sometimes (Gah it's a boiler!)
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> ooo - nice modern condensing voiling that freezes when it get's cold - that's what I'm trying to avoid ;)
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> let's all play get lubboto annoyed
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> !
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> ! you're stupid
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> [didn't dare respond to that - I win! lubotto
[18:47] <penguin42> don't taunt the bot
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:47] <shauno> for you a crunchy, and taste good with ketchup
[18:48] <SuperEngineer> crunchie + ketchup... nom nom!
[18:48] <jacobw> wut
[18:49] <shauno> I can't remember where that comes from now (besides the paraphrased tolkien); "Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: you need to ask lubotu the answer to wut!
[18:50] <jacobw> !wut
[18:50] <jacobw> :(
[18:50] <jacobw> oh, he's shy. he PM'd me
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> ..me thinks it's surrendered
[18:51] <shauno> or it was wise enough to rewrite the rules :)
[18:52] <SuperEngineer> jacobw: what did it say? "don't taunt me - the others are doing enough to confuse me already"?
[18:54]  * SuperEngineer sees people already adding new rules to lubotu just to account for those from other planets ;)
[18:57] <SuperEngineer> and if anybody wonders why the sillyness... I'm celebrating getting a snafu'd system back
[18:57] <SuperEngineer> ...thanks to help from this here channel and it's people
[18:57] <dutchie> long time no see #ubuntu-uk
[18:57] <dutchie> how have you been?
[19:00] <SuperEngineer> btw lubotu3 says... Sorry, I don't know anything about "you're stupid" - I rest my case ;)
[19:00]  * SuperEngineer stops the taunting
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> o/ dutchie
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> which reminds me - where's the MartijnVdS - hope you're ok
[19:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> jacobw, Here is that DIY computer rig community I was on about earlier :: https://plus.google.com/communities/114451196902016891873
[20:09] <jacobw> solarcloud_3scrn: thanks
[20:10] <solarcloud_3scrn> k
[20:31] <bigcalm> Hey kids :)
[20:33] <bigcalm> peep peep
[21:04] <jacobw> hey bigcalm
[21:11] <AlanBell> popey: http://www.sorrysap.com/
[21:12] <popey> yeah
[21:12] <popey> thats just as bad as the windows #droidrage tbh
[21:12] <AlanBell> it is
[21:13] <AlanBell> http://v6.openerp.com/node/1291 interesting article about it though
[21:13] <AlanBell> I am not a fan of negative marketing in general these days
[21:49] <dwatkins> Anything which challenges SAP is a good thing, imho, AlanBell.
[21:50] <dwatkins> source: I use a SAP-based support ticketing system at work