[04:14] HOLA [07:29] good morning [08:49] ::workspace-bugs:: [1080823] unable to remove new activity @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1080823 (by enb) [08:49] ::workspace-bugs:: [1088091] Battery monitor widget does not show estimated battery lifetime @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1088091 (by xor) [09:14] * apachelogger needs to backport that localization patch he revised -.- [09:16] bug 923360 ftw [09:16] Launchpad bug 923360 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "systemsettings/start_and_shutdown shouldn't generate localized .desktop file names" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923360 [09:38] nice, on 4.9.90 some funny stuff happens [09:38] for example when waking up from screensaver, screenlocker doesn't stop screensaver [09:38] ...until I unlock, ofcourse [09:42] :S [09:57] ScottK: do we still care about bug 771661 [09:57] Launchpad bug 771661 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Allow .xsession-errors to be a symlink" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771661 [09:57] * apachelogger does not want to discuss this :P [09:59] bug 1088091 is fresh and one I'd love to see get fixed. [09:59] Launchpad bug 1088091 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Battery monitor widget does not show estimated battery lifetime" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1088091 [09:59] Though it is an upstream one [10:01] this comment however is interesting https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182940#c4 [10:01] KDE bug 182940 in general "detailed battery information display" [Wishlist,New] [10:01] pertains to 1088091 in a way [10:02] Tm_T, beta 2 in 13.04 or 12.10 ? [10:32] soee: 12.10 === markey_ is now known as markey [10:52] jalcine: I really doubt that's going to happen [10:53] battery time estimation is a can of works [10:53] *worms [10:53] do you have the time to explain to me how it might be? [10:55] there's a huge email thread pertaining to it iirc [10:57] Can't find said thread [10:59] no problem, if you have an idea of the subject and the time it was sent, I'd look for it. [11:00] well ... if I knew that I'd be able to find it myself :P [11:00] hahaha true true! [11:01] jalcine: AFAIK battery widget can show estimation [11:01] aha [11:01] found it [11:01] jalcine: http://markmail.org/message/i2dxtkxbwh2ojbzj [11:01] ...if you really want to look it jumping back and forth with random times [11:03] yeah, there's a fork of the battery plasmoid just for that [11:03] but like all other implementations, it is inaccurate [11:03] it's a device-specific thing, I guess. [11:03] work load changes over time and it might show one hour now, but become 5 minutes when you start compiling firefox [11:04] so it's just unreliable and I agree with aseigo [11:06] you don't even need to compile anything, just open a browser tab for example [11:08] awesome [11:09] * shadeslayer wonders when the store will ship his RAM [11:11] interesting [11:11] there has to be a way to calculate it though [11:11] this might be me being babyish but how does Windows do it? [11:11] or Macs? (well, that's a no-brainer, really?) [11:12] The time remaining is completely relative to the amount of electricity currently being used. [11:13] * jalcine will think about this today. [11:13] But I have to finish reading that _long_ thread [11:29] Tm_T, did you noticed any other bugs i latest beta under 12.10 ? [11:33] well for example skype doesn't have systray icon, grouped windows indication arrow is pointing the wrong way on taskmanager (vertical panel) ... [11:34] small things mostly [11:34] new notifications are interesting [11:38] apachelogger: I'm pretty sure I never cared. [11:41] Tm_T, and what about modified oxygen theme ? [11:42] are the changes visible ? [11:44] hmm so how to find out the state of 4.10 beta 2? [11:46] ScottK: commented [11:47] Riddell: I think the pad is reasonably current. [11:47] FWIW it would be almost straight forward if kdm did not currently explicitly unlink the file (i.e. delete the link and if it is the only link also remove the linked file) [11:48] soee: oxygen? I don't think I use it anywhere [11:48] :) [11:49] icons, yes [11:49] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html mm lots of excuses [11:50] ah the kde4libs block is still on [11:52] nothing from marble people so I guess I'll add the abi changer [11:52] ScottK: kdesdk abi breakage was fixed [11:53] note: deleting /dev/null breaks chrome :D [11:55] ::workspace-bugs:: [771661] Allow .xsession-errors to be a symlink @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771661 (by Martin Pitt) [11:55] note: chrome does a better job at handling debs than our default browser -.- [11:56] what's it do? [11:56] open qapt-deb-installer [11:56] rekonq uses the ark kpart [11:56] isnt the webkit view there a kwebkitpart? [11:57] it probably changed accordingly [11:57] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/10/plasma-desktopNY1872.png [11:57] of course it acted correctly in the realm of a kpart [11:57] that does not make the result any more correct though :P [11:58] also that dialog there talks about konqueror ^^ [11:59] ah well [11:59] rekonq does not actually care [11:59] it simply forces a kpart [11:59] shadeslayer: halp? :( [11:59] lol [11:59] sec [12:00] Riddell: someone should talk to oxygen-fonts upstream and establish a timeline for when we can use it [12:00] also for raring it can go in the archive, works well now [12:00] also it is like 300% easier on the eyes than ubuntu IMHO [12:00] lol [12:00] not quite sure why [12:00] apachelogger: boog [12:00] shadeslayer: yes, why? :P [12:00] idk [12:00] you worked with that mimetype stuffz [12:01] hmm [12:01] needs investigations [12:01] makes more sense for you to look into a fix than me :P [12:01] but my fixes get reverted [12:01] lol? [12:01] yeah [12:01] remember the apturl stuff [12:01] that got removed or sth [12:01] later [12:01] wasn't that implemented crappy? [12:01] or wasn't the base impl crap? [12:01] something was crap WRT protocol handling [12:02] it was implemented incorrectly [12:02] but I fixed it [12:03] and the fix was reverted? [12:03] lolz? [12:03] shadeslayer: please run sudo rm /dev/null [12:03] :P [12:04] "This worked correctly at least in KDE 3.5." [12:05] reading bugs is like going to a comedy show [12:09] apachelogger: 3.5 has suddenly become "the correct way" (: [12:10] let's ship some software from 3.5 [12:11] oh right [12:11] bug 937726 needs an executive decision [12:12] Launchpad bug 937726 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "no appmenu widget in plasma-netbook by default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937726 [12:12] when you have a desktop and manually switch to plasma-netbook ... should you get a kubuntu-netbook experience or a genuine KDE experience? [12:13] (currently the kubuntu-netbook stuff is only applied iff hardware requirements are met - small screen & no disc drive - which causes the behavior described in the bug) [12:14] shrug, it would probably be nice to get kubuntu-netbook but I don't consider it a big issue not to [12:15] yes, still needs some decision [12:16] I'm fine with the status quo [12:17] ScottK: got an opinion? [12:20] isn't bug 1061073 fixed? [12:20] Launchpad bug 1061073 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 [12:21] oh, now it is opengles upstream Oo [12:24] ah and marble has already bumped their soname [12:26] bulldog98: when changing sonames just start with a fresh .symbols file otherwise it looks like any ABI changes are changed compared to old releases [12:59] ScottK: plenty of new games packages in New queue should you be in the mood [13:11] * apachelogger hugs Riddell [13:12] aww, lovely hugs === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Raring Alpha 1 Released | Packaging TODO: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html | oxygen-fonts in experimental PPA (from oneiric to raring) [13:13] ^ in case someone wants to test [13:14] shadeslayer: my mail is still broken ^^ [13:14] yay [13:14] filed a ticket now [13:14] should only take a month or so ^^ [13:14] xD [13:14] your @kubuntu.org email addy doesn't work as well right? [13:14] btw [13:15] prolly not [13:15] Riddell: there are some nice designs on G+ and spacetime has offered to print us a test batch of buisness cards [13:15] we should totally send him a polo tee for being super nice to us :D [13:16] alas we are all out of them [13:16] yeah :( [13:16] and drat [13:16] someone is using my branch [13:16] for recipes [13:17] * shadeslayer grumbles [13:17] is that a bad thing? [13:17] I can't delete my bzr branch :P [13:17] * apachelogger was about to ask the same question :P [13:17] because someone else depends on it [13:17] shadeslayer: now that is silly [13:18] tell them to go away :P [13:18] haha :P [13:18] actually you could just change ownership [13:18] hm? [13:18] oh, then the url would be different ^^ [13:18] yep [13:18] clearly something is wrong there :P [13:18] "You do not have permission make all the changes required to delete this Branch." [13:19] as I said, that is silly [13:19] inorite [13:19] why would you want to delete it o.O? [13:19] if I want to delete my branch then launchpad should not go all like "but people use it :(" [13:19] yofel_: want to setup a branch with the same name [13:19] rename it? [13:19] but different git url [13:20] oh [13:20] fun [13:20] http://images.yourdictionary.com/insane [13:20] <3 bugs [13:20] haha [13:21] if they at least were not so random and old bug 578490 [13:21] Launchpad bug 578490 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "panel is in wrong language" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578490 [13:24] and the screensaver business... I have seen reports for "does not start", "starts too late", "starts despite deactivated" [13:24] lol [13:24] * shadeslayer wonders why his RAM still hasn't been dispatched [13:25] RAM, now there's a term much loved by schools but that doesn't make any sense [13:27] shadeslayer: perhaps brits are working at the place you ordered it at? :P I ordered my laptop from the uk and 1 week after it got delivered they sent me a mail "oh btw, we have dispatched yer machine" ^^ [13:28] lol [13:30] haha, lunchpad [13:31] so when you enter a binar package lunchpad will figure out the source [13:31] except if they are the same and the binary name is/was shipped by two sources [13:31] then it will simply take the source [13:31] UX fail <3 [13:35] apachelogger: I think it should be fixed, but I agree it's low priority. [13:36] yofel_: when running desktop and manually switching to netbook ... should it pick up the kubuntu netbook settings or not? [13:36] ScottK: truth be told the sanest way to do this is to move settigns from netbook to desktop [13:36] Riddell: Not a lot of point in New'ing the KDE games, without the lib: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knavalbattle/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4047217 [13:36] in particular the init script for plasma-netbook [13:36] unless you plan to completely remove the netbook settings, yes [13:37] apachelogger: OK. [13:37] point being that netbook depends on desktop anyway, so we'd be fine there, but generally applying netbook settings on a desktop may be silly when assuming that they may contain settings only useful to netbooks [13:37] Ah. I see the lib is there too. [13:38] I'll look at that first. [13:38] apachelogger: The biggest issue is the javscripting of the panel. [13:39] how is that an issue? [13:39] the script is different for desktop and netbook [13:39] ScottK: lib is in new too [13:39] so we have two scripts anyway [13:39] ScottK: how is bug 1086840 a k-s bug? [13:39] Launchpad bug 1086840 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Missing bookmarks.xml error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086840 [13:39] Yeah. Just noticed. [13:39] apachelogger: It was a "I don't know where to put it" - probably kde4libs is better. Feel free to reassign [13:40] ^^ [13:40] kdelibs it is [13:40] ScottK: I'd file that upstream though [13:42] bug 1088479 [13:42] Launchpad bug 1088479 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "consolidate netbook settings into desktop where possible" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1088479 [13:49] Hey all [13:52] yo [13:52] what do I do with bug 1085519 ? [13:52] Launchpad bug 1085519 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Does KDE SC 4.10 process cookies differently than 4.9?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085519 [13:57] apachelogger, I don't use rekonq and I haven't seen any problems with FF so far on 4.10 [13:58] firefox also does not use kcookiejar Oo [13:58] but good to know that firefox works ^^ [13:58] ok [13:58] ::workspace-bugs:: [1081522] KDE System Settings "File Manager" association ignored by KDE apps @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1081522 (by Cefn) [13:58] ok [13:59] well rekonq in general doesn't work well for me , so I don't use it [14:00] I think you are not the only one [14:00] dunno how other ppl can put up with all it's bugs [14:01] dantti_laptop: is your networkmanager patch request getting sorted? [14:02] BluesKaj: they report it in hopes that they get fixed :P [14:02] s/it/them/ [14:02] apachelogger meant: "BluesKaj: they report them in hopes that they get fixed :P" [14:04] well apachelogger , I wish then a lotta luck , cuz they need it [14:04] then=them [14:06] apachelogger: The networkmanager thing got fixed in raring, but AIUI, still waiting on cyphermox for the SRU (needs to be combined with the existing SRU in the queue). [14:06] Riddell: I think yes, ScottK asked cyphermox to do it, I still need a second confirmation that it is actually working... but it seems so [14:07] ScottK: which one? [14:07] ScottK: actually I was told the bug wasn't properly fixed [14:07] cyphermox: OK. [14:07] ah, Riddell asked that ^^ [14:07] What's the bug? [14:07] rekonq and kmail , both are buggy , but most reports are filed as dupes and seem to be put on the back burner ...kmail been showing the same segfault bugs for over a yr [14:08] dantti_laptop: Could you please look at the bug and make sure it has all the information in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template [14:08] dantti_laptop: so it is working? [14:08] BluesKaj: often enough proper fixes require a lot of ground work first [14:09] BluesKaj: I use kmail on a daily basis with very, very few segfaults. Most of the issues I have are with akonadi getting stuck and restarting it fixes it. [14:09] my imap agent segfaults because it cannot auth and I refuse to let it try again [14:09] most ludicrous thing :D [14:10] ScottK, yeah , they should dump akonadi for home users ..we should have that option [14:11] It's gotten better each release. [14:11] cyphermox: I need to wait for my co worker to arive and test it again, since last week his vpn account got blocked due to many tests :P [14:11] The bug that was annoying me the most recently was fixed in 4.9.3. [14:11] BluesKaj: what do we use instead? [14:11] ScottK: I'll do [14:11] dantti_laptop: Thanks. [14:13] Riddell: Am I going to find that all these games are in section libs too? [14:13] mm let me see [14:13] ScottK: mm yes you might just find that [14:14] I do dislike that pointless field [14:14] + [14:14] ScottK: hang on, will fix [14:14] I'm doing the actual lib first anyway. [14:14] o/ [14:15] * apachelogger is pissed off with bugs again and does some movie watching [14:16] Riddell: Got anywhere near maliit> [14:16] ? [14:16] ScottK: I can't explain how to create a test case, since he uses cisco vpn with an android app that create randon password tokens... === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw [14:17] ScottK: I'd appreciate it if you reviewed maliit-framework -> dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/maliit-framework_0.93.0-0ubuntu1.dsc [14:18] Riddell: ^ link if you lost it or something :) [14:18] Since this requires a specific type of VPN to test, say that you need to need to have access to that kind of VPN and then assume people know that stuff to test. === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [14:23] ScottK: ok, do I need to fill some bug? [14:23] dantti_laptop: If there isn't one already. [14:24] k, let me look [14:27] Riddell: re libkdegames copyright: missing copyright info for carddecks/svg-tigullio-international/tigullio-international.svgz. cmake/modules/ is missing it's license file (also not covered in debian/copyright). I think that makes it a reject. [14:28] Riddell: Why does libkdegames6 Breaks: libkdegames5a? [14:29] Riddell: You can drop the kdegames-card-data-extra Breaks/Replaces since those are pre-LTS versions. [14:31] Riddell: Other than that, I think it's good. [14:39] I'm testing the 3.7 kernel on 12.1.0 as suggested by using nomodeset in place of quiet splash , but the boot still freezes completely at the hardware scan ...any other suggestions ? [14:40] on the 3.5 kernel atm [14:45] BluesKaj: This is still not the channel for kernel issues. [14:46] ScottK, ok , look at it as a warning or a heads up then [14:48] ScottK: I think maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+bug/415076 since someone says that on gnome it works.. [14:48] Ubuntu bug 415076 in plasma-widget-networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "Can not connect to vpn using plasma-widget-networkmanagement" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:48] Releasing 4.9.3 to quantal-updates. [14:49] dantti_laptop: OK. Then please edit the bug to add the SRU template information. [14:53] ScottK: hmm to do that I just need to add a comment to that bug in that template [Impact] *foo, bar [Test Case] * do foo ? like that? [14:53] It's better to edit the bug itself [14:54] hmm but I'm no maintainer I guess I can't [14:55] You should be able it. If you can't, a comment is OK. [14:57] hmm tho that bug is for a openVPN not vpnc connection :/ [14:57] Then I guess that's not it ... [14:58] maybe it fix this for openvpn too, but would need testing.. [14:59] Yeah, but let's focus on what we have someone to test. [15:04] ScottK: better a new bug then? all I find are old bugs that I can't be sure it's the same issue [15:06] Agreed. [15:27] rbelem: any status update on PA3? [15:30] shadeslayer: i could not work on it last weekend, but i will do it today without failured [15:30] rbelem: well ... could you point me to what you've done? I can work on it a bit as well [15:32] shadeslayer: i've not done so much yet, if you start now you will have better progress than mine [15:32] I see [15:33] rbelem: okay, I'll start on it then :) [15:33] shadeslayer: Can we fix the PA stuff in quantal? [15:33] shadeslayer: sorry for block you [15:33] ScottK: Blueprint says we want to backport it to Quantal [15:34] I mean the existing stuff that's broken. [15:34] if that's what you meant [15:34] oh [15:34] was it just the meta package bits? [15:34] Some patches went missing, IIRC. [15:34] I see [15:35] afiestas: Any word on kamoso with the new libs? Kphotoalbum got fixed, so kamoso is the only user of the old libs left. [15:35] okay [15:45] Riddell: The actual lib for kdegames should be in section libs. [15:46] The rest is good. Accepted. [15:53] ScottK: addition to your ubiquity change https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/ubiquity/encryptcheckbox_fix [15:53] xnox: ^^ [15:54] ScottK: section fixed in bzr [15:54] Riddell: Cool. Thanks. [15:54] Now xnox can have it. [15:55] shadeslayer: we are talking about the same patches we did talk about at UDS [15:55] ah okay [15:55] the ones that didn't apply cleanly? [15:55] s/didn't// [15:55] shadeslayer meant: "the ones that apply cleanly?" [15:55] and were said to be upstreamed [15:56] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdegames/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4053081 [15:56] Those that apparently went upstream but did not [15:56] right [15:56] Yeah, and but I belive we'd be better off backporting PA3 to quantal [15:57] ScottK: any opinion on backporting ? [15:57] ScottK: oh grr, my fail [15:57] I'm in favor of first fixing the stuff we screwed up in quantal. [15:58] ScottK: I believe that fixing pa2 in quanta won't make it less broken than if we uploaded pa3 [15:59] You mean the thing that's not even packaged yet? [15:59] I'd also be in favour of PA3 in raring first then backporting it [16:00] ScottK: dunno why anyone says pa3 is not packaged, if we have pa2 in archive then we must have a packaging base that should be reusable [16:00] For PA2, isn't it just a matter of reapplying the patches that got dropped? [16:01] ScottK: I'm wondering if pa2 even got QA done properly if we shipped a package without relevant patches applied [16:02] True, but I think fixing PA2 is SRU suitable. Upgrading to PA3 is not. [16:03] ScottK: nor I nor upstream will guarantee it will work even remotely as intended even after we fix the patch magic inside I believe [16:03] Let's try it and see. [16:04] Riddell: any objections? [16:05] Quintasan: to what? [16:06] updating quantal to 4.10 beta2 [16:06] error while processing: [16:06] /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-pl_4%3a4.9.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1_all.deb [16:07] Riddell: Updating pa package in quantal vs fixing the pa2 there [16:08] Quintasan: as I say my approach would be to package active 3 for raring and backport since I don't think there's much point in fixing something that upstream consider obsolete [16:08] but whoever does the work gets to decide, either way is useful [16:09] soee: you need to say what the error is, pastebin if necessary [16:09] I am of that opinion as well [16:09] ScottK: mind if we do it that way? [16:09] ScottK: if PA3 does not deliver we'll just fix PA2 package [16:10] Quintasan: How will this get delivered to users in quantal? We can't put it in raring-proposed/updates. [16:13] ScottK: I am not sure what you mean, we can update PA package in raring till the end of cycle [16:13] you want to know how quantal->raring upgrade will look like? [16:13] s/raring/quantal/ [16:13] ScottK meant: "Quintasan: How will this get delivered to users in quantal? We can't put it in quantal-proposed/updates." [16:13] oh [16:14] ScottK: We can't put that there because of what reason? [16:14] Because it's not a bug fix. [16:14] ^ [16:14] Quintasan: what needs to be done is a 2 pronged approach [16:14] Same reason we don't put 4.10 in quantal updates either. [16:14] package PA3 for -backports and fix PA2 for SRU [16:15] Yes. Please. [16:15] ScottK: it is in my todo still :/ [16:15] shadeslayer: quantal-backports you mean? [16:15] or what [16:15] afiestas: OK. Thanks. [16:15] since I'm getting lost in -backports stuff right now [16:16] Quintasan: q-b yes [16:16] I can agree to that [16:16] But I would like to see that mentioned on our webpage [16:18] not necessarily an announcement but I'd like to have the word out [16:19] "Hey people Plasma Active in quantal is a little bit out of date so please enable quantal-backports if you would like to use the newest version" or something like that [16:20] Isn't that more of a pin question these days? [16:20] shadeslayer: got anywhere with the pa3 package? [16:20] Quintasan: I haven't even started [16:20] working on some other stuff [16:20] took over from rbelem a couple of hours ago [16:20] I'm not sure why not bring the existing one up to date [16:21] Most of preliminary work was done there [16:21] Any particular reason for doing it from scratch? [16:22] I am not going to do it from scratch [16:22] :) [16:22] although the plasma keyboard container needs to be dropped [16:22] because PA3 is supposed to use Maliit [16:22] Quintasan: ^ So get Maliit uploaded [16:22] ScottK: I'd appreciate if you review maliit at some point before I go to Debian folks with anything [16:23] OK. [16:23] shadeslayer: as you can see I'm waiting for a review :p [16:23] :P [16:23] What version of KDE does mailit need? [16:24] It doesn't need KDE [16:24] It needs Qt 4 [16:25] Plasma Active needs maliit [16:29] Ah. [16:33] Riddell, the language packade is ok, i did dist-upgrade again and that one worked also [16:34] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdegames/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu2/+build/4053108 [16:36] ScottK: doh! [16:38] is it possible to use this reworked oxygen them in beta2 ? [16:38] soee: ? [16:39] shadeslayer, http://www.notmart.org/images/desktop-air-410.png [16:40] that will land in RC1 I guess [16:40] ah so we have to wait till christmass :< [16:40] We don't want additional patches unless they're very critical [16:40] and new themes aren't critical [16:40] soee: well [16:40] *hint* neon *hint* [16:47]