[04:14] <jhon> HOLA
[07:29] <soee> good morning
[08:49] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1080823] unable to remove new activity @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1080823 (by enb)
[08:49] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1088091] Battery monitor widget does not show estimated battery lifetime @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1088091 (by xor)
[09:14]  * apachelogger needs to backport that localization patch he revised -.-
[09:16] <apachelogger> bug 923360 ftw
[09:38] <Tm_T> nice, on 4.9.90 some funny stuff happens
[09:38] <Tm_T> for example when waking up from screensaver, screenlocker doesn't stop screensaver
[09:38] <Tm_T> ...until I unlock, ofcourse
[09:42] <apachelogger> :S
[09:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we still care about bug 771661
[09:57]  * apachelogger does not want to discuss this :P
[09:59] <jalcine> bug 1088091 is fresh and one I'd love to see get fixed.
[09:59] <jalcine> Though it is an upstream one
[10:01] <jalcine> this comment however is interesting https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182940#c4
[10:01] <jalcine> pertains to 1088091 in a way
[10:02] <soee> Tm_T, beta 2 in 13.04 or 12.10 ?
[10:32] <Tm_T> soee: 12.10
[10:52] <shadeslayer> jalcine: I really doubt that's going to happen
[10:53] <shadeslayer> battery time estimation is a can of works
[10:53] <shadeslayer> *worms
[10:53] <jalcine> do you have the time to explain to me how it might be?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> there's a huge email thread pertaining to it iirc
[10:57] <shadeslayer> Can't find said thread
[10:59] <jalcine> no problem, if you have an idea of the subject and the time it was sent, I'd look for it.
[11:00] <shadeslayer> well ... if I knew that I'd be able to find it myself :P
[11:00] <jalcine> hahaha true true!
[11:01] <Tm_T> jalcine: AFAIK battery widget can show estimation
[11:01] <shadeslayer> aha
[11:01] <shadeslayer> found it
[11:01] <shadeslayer> jalcine: http://markmail.org/message/i2dxtkxbwh2ojbzj
[11:01] <Tm_T> ...if you really want to look it jumping back and forth with random times
[11:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, there's a fork of the battery plasmoid just for that
[11:03] <shadeslayer> but like all other implementations, it is inaccurate
[11:03] <jalcine> it's a device-specific thing, I guess.
[11:03] <shadeslayer> work load changes over time and it might show one hour now, but become 5 minutes when you start compiling firefox
[11:04] <shadeslayer> so it's just unreliable and I agree with aseigo
[11:06] <Tm_T> you don't even need to compile anything, just open a browser tab for example
[11:08] <shadeslayer> awesome
[11:09]  * shadeslayer wonders when the store will ship his RAM
[11:11] <jalcine> interesting
[11:11] <jalcine> there has to be a way to calculate it though
[11:11] <jalcine> this might be me being babyish but how does Windows do it?
[11:11] <jalcine> or Macs? (well, that's a no-brainer, really?)
[11:12] <jalcine> The time remaining is completely relative to the amount of electricity currently being used.
[11:13]  * jalcine will think about this today.
[11:13] <jalcine> But I have to finish reading that _long_ thread
[11:29] <soee> Tm_T, did you noticed any other bugs i latest beta under 12.10 ?
[11:33] <Tm_T> well for example skype doesn't have systray icon, grouped windows indication arrow is pointing the wrong way on taskmanager (vertical panel) ...
[11:34] <Tm_T> small things mostly
[11:34] <Tm_T> new notifications are interesting
[11:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm pretty sure I never cared.
[11:41] <soee> Tm_T, and what about modified oxygen theme ?
[11:42] <soee> are the changes visible ?
[11:44] <Riddell> hmm so how to find out the state of 4.10 beta 2?
[11:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: commented
[11:47] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the pad is reasonably current.
[11:47] <apachelogger> FWIW it would be almost straight forward if kdm did not currently explicitly unlink the file (i.e. delete the link and if it is the only link also remove the linked file)
[11:48] <Tm_T> soee: oxygen? I don't think I use it anywhere
[11:48] <soee> :)
[11:49] <Tm_T> icons, yes
[11:49] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html  mm lots of excuses
[11:50] <Riddell> ah the kde4libs block is still on
[11:52] <Riddell> nothing from marble people so I guess I'll add the abi changer
[11:52] <Riddell> ScottK: kdesdk abi breakage was fixed
[11:53] <apachelogger> note: deleting /dev/null breaks chrome :D
[11:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [771661] Allow .xsession-errors to be a symlink @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771661 (by Martin Pitt)
[11:55] <apachelogger> note: chrome does a better job at handling debs than our default browser -.-
[11:56] <Riddell> what's it do?
[11:56] <apachelogger> open qapt-deb-installer
[11:56] <apachelogger> rekonq uses the ark kpart
[11:56] <jalcine> isnt the webkit view there a kwebkitpart?
[11:57] <jalcine> it probably changed accordingly
[11:57] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/10/plasma-desktopNY1872.png
[11:57] <apachelogger> of course it acted correctly in the realm of a kpart
[11:57] <apachelogger> that does not make the result any more correct though :P
[11:58] <apachelogger> also that dialog there talks about konqueror ^^
[11:59] <apachelogger> ah well
[11:59] <apachelogger> rekonq does not actually care
[11:59] <apachelogger> it simply forces a kpart
[11:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: halp? :(
[11:59] <jalcine> lol
[11:59] <shadeslayer> sec
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: someone should talk to oxygen-fonts upstream and establish a timeline for when we can use it
[12:00] <apachelogger> also for raring it can go in the archive, works well now
[12:00] <apachelogger> also it is like 300% easier on the eyes than ubuntu IMHO
[12:00] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:00] <apachelogger> not quite sure why
[12:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: boog
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, why? :P
[12:00] <shadeslayer> idk
[12:00] <apachelogger> you worked with that mimetype stuffz
[12:01] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:01] <shadeslayer> needs investigations
[12:01] <apachelogger> makes more sense for you to look into a fix than me :P
[12:01] <shadeslayer> but my fixes get reverted
[12:01] <apachelogger> lol?
[12:01] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:01] <shadeslayer> remember the apturl stuff
[12:01] <shadeslayer> that got removed or sth
[12:01] <shadeslayer> later
[12:01] <apachelogger> wasn't that implemented crappy?
[12:01] <apachelogger> or wasn't the base impl crap?
[12:01] <apachelogger> something was crap WRT protocol handling
[12:02] <shadeslayer> it was implemented incorrectly
[12:02] <shadeslayer> but I fixed it
[12:03] <apachelogger> and the fix was reverted?
[12:03] <apachelogger> lolz?
[12:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please run sudo rm /dev/null
[12:03] <apachelogger> :P
[12:04] <apachelogger> "This worked correctly at least in KDE 3.5."
[12:05] <apachelogger> reading bugs is like going to a comedy show
[12:09] <Tm_T> apachelogger: 3.5 has suddenly become "the correct way" (:
[12:10] <apachelogger> let's ship some software from 3.5 
[12:11] <apachelogger> oh right
[12:11] <apachelogger> bug 937726 needs an executive decision
[12:12] <apachelogger> when you have a desktop and manually switch to plasma-netbook ... should you get a kubuntu-netbook experience or a genuine KDE experience?
[12:13] <apachelogger> (currently the kubuntu-netbook stuff is only applied iff hardware requirements are met - small screen & no disc drive - which causes the behavior described in the bug)
[12:14] <Riddell> shrug, it would probably be nice to get kubuntu-netbook but I don't consider it a big issue not to
[12:15] <apachelogger> yes, still needs some decision
[12:16] <Riddell> I'm fine with the status quo
[12:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: got an opinion?
[12:20] <apachelogger> isn't bug 1061073 fixed?
[12:21] <apachelogger> oh, now it is opengles upstream Oo
[12:24] <Riddell> ah and marble has already bumped their soname
[12:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: when changing sonames just start with a fresh .symbols file otherwise it looks like any ABI changes are changed compared to old releases
[12:59] <Riddell> ScottK: plenty of new games packages in New queue should you be in the mood
[13:11]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[13:12] <Riddell> aww, lovely hugs
[13:13] <apachelogger> ^ in case someone wants to test
[13:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: my mail is still broken ^^
[13:14] <shadeslayer> yay
[13:14] <apachelogger> filed a ticket now
[13:14] <apachelogger> should only take a month or so ^^
[13:14] <shadeslayer> xD
[13:14] <shadeslayer> your @kubuntu.org email addy doesn't work as well right?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> btw
[13:15] <apachelogger> prolly not
[13:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there are some nice designs on G+ and spacetime has offered to print us a test batch of buisness cards
[13:15] <shadeslayer> we should totally send him a polo tee for being super nice to us :D
[13:16] <Riddell> alas we are all out of them
[13:16] <shadeslayer> yeah :(
[13:16] <shadeslayer> and drat
[13:16] <shadeslayer> someone is using my branch
[13:16] <shadeslayer> for recipes
[13:17]  * shadeslayer grumbles
[13:17] <Riddell> is that a bad thing?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> I can't delete my bzr branch :P
[13:17]  * apachelogger was about to ask the same question :P
[13:17] <shadeslayer> because someone else depends on it
[13:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: now that is silly
[13:18] <apachelogger> tell them to go away :P
[13:18] <shadeslayer> haha :P
[13:18] <apachelogger> actually you could just change ownership
[13:18] <shadeslayer> hm?
[13:18] <apachelogger> oh, then the url would be different ^^
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:18] <apachelogger> clearly something is wrong there :P
[13:18] <shadeslayer> "You do not have permission make all the changes required to delete this Branch."
[13:19] <apachelogger> as I said, that is silly
[13:19] <shadeslayer> inorite
[13:19] <yofel_> why would you want to delete it o.O?
[13:19] <apachelogger> if I want to delete my branch then launchpad should not go all like "but people use it :("
[13:19] <shadeslayer> yofel_: want to setup a branch with the same name
[13:19] <yofel_> rename it?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> but different git url
[13:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:20] <shadeslayer> fun
[13:20] <apachelogger> http://images.yourdictionary.com/insane
[13:20] <apachelogger> <3 bugs
[13:20] <shadeslayer> haha
[13:21] <apachelogger> if they at least were not so random and old bug 578490
[13:24] <apachelogger> and the screensaver business... I have seen reports for "does not start", "starts too late", "starts despite deactivated"
[13:24] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:24]  * shadeslayer wonders why his RAM still hasn't been dispatched
[13:25] <Riddell> RAM, now there's a term much loved by schools but that doesn't make any sense
[13:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps brits are working at the place you ordered it at? :P I ordered my laptop from the uk and 1 week after it got delivered they sent me a mail "oh btw, we have dispatched yer machine" ^^
[13:28] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:30] <apachelogger> haha, lunchpad
[13:31] <apachelogger> so when you enter a binar package lunchpad will figure out the source
[13:31] <apachelogger> except if they are the same and the binary name is/was shipped by two sources
[13:31] <apachelogger> then it will simply take the source
[13:31] <apachelogger> UX fail <3
[13:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think it should be fixed, but I agree it's low priority.
[13:36] <apachelogger> yofel_: when running desktop and manually switching to netbook ... should it pick up the kubuntu netbook settings or not?
[13:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: truth be told the sanest way to do this is to move settigns from netbook to desktop
[13:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Not a lot of point in New'ing the KDE games, without the lib: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knavalbattle/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4047217
[13:36] <apachelogger> in particular the init script for plasma-netbook
[13:36] <yofel_> unless you plan to completely remove the netbook settings, yes
[13:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.
[13:37] <apachelogger> point being that netbook depends on desktop anyway, so we'd be fine there, but generally applying netbook settings on a desktop may be silly when assuming that they may contain settings only useful to netbooks
[13:37] <ScottK> Ah.  I see the lib is there too.
[13:38] <ScottK> I'll look at that first.
[13:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: The biggest issue is the javscripting of the panel.
[13:39] <apachelogger> how is that an issue?
[13:39] <apachelogger> the script is different for desktop and netbook
[13:39] <Riddell> ScottK: lib is in new too
[13:39] <apachelogger> so we have two scripts anyway
[13:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: how is bug 1086840 a k-s bug?
[13:39] <ScottK> Yeah.  Just noticed.
[13:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: It was a "I don't know where to put it" - probably kde4libs is better.  Feel free to reassign
[13:40] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:40] <apachelogger> kdelibs it is
[13:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'd file that upstream though
[13:42] <apachelogger> bug 1088479
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:52] <apachelogger> yo
[13:52] <apachelogger> what do I do with bug 1085519 ?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, I don't use rekonq and I haven't seen any problems with FF so far on 4.10
[13:58] <apachelogger> firefox also does not use kcookiejar Oo
[13:58] <apachelogger> but good to know that firefox works ^^
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:58] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1081522] KDE System Settings "File Manager" association ignored by KDE apps @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1081522 (by Cefn)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:59] <BluesKaj> well rekonq in general doesn't work well for me , so I don't use it
[14:00] <apachelogger> I think you are not the only one
[14:00] <BluesKaj> dunno how other ppl can put up with all it's bugs
[14:01] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: is your networkmanager patch request getting sorted?
[14:02] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: they report it in hopes that they get fixed :P
[14:02] <apachelogger> s/it/them/
[14:02] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "BluesKaj: they report them in hopes that they get fixed :P"
[14:04] <BluesKaj> well apachelogger , I wish then a lotta luck , cuz they need it 
[14:04] <BluesKaj> then=them
[14:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: The networkmanager thing got fixed in raring, but AIUI, still waiting on cyphermox for the SRU (needs to be combined with the existing SRU in the queue).
[14:06] <dantti_laptop> Riddell: I think yes, ScottK asked cyphermox to do it, I still need a second confirmation that it is actually working... but it seems so
[14:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: which one?
[14:07] <cyphermox> ScottK: actually I was told the bug wasn't properly fixed
[14:07] <ScottK> cyphermox: OK.
[14:07] <apachelogger> ah, Riddell asked that ^^
[14:07] <ScottK> What's the bug?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> rekonq and kmail , both are buggy , but most reports are filed as dupes and seem to be put on the back burner ...kmail been showing the same segfault bugs for over a yr 
[14:08] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Could you please look at the bug and make sure it has all the information in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template
[14:08] <cyphermox> dantti_laptop: so it is working?
[14:08] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: often enough proper fixes require a lot of ground work first
[14:09] <ScottK> BluesKaj: I use kmail on a daily basis with very, very few segfaults.  Most of the issues I have are with akonadi getting stuck and restarting it fixes it.
[14:09] <apachelogger> my imap agent segfaults because it cannot auth and I refuse to let it try again
[14:09] <apachelogger> most ludicrous thing :D
[14:10] <BluesKaj> ScottK, yeah , they should dump akonadi for home users ..we should have that option
[14:11] <ScottK> It's gotten better each release.
[14:11] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: I need to wait for my co worker to arive and test it again, since last week his vpn account got blocked due to many tests :P
[14:11] <ScottK> The bug that was annoying me the most recently was fixed in 4.9.3.
[14:11] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: what do we use instead?
[14:11] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: I'll do
[14:11] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Thanks.
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Am I going to find that all these games are in section libs too?
[14:13] <Riddell> mm let me see
[14:13] <Riddell> ScottK: mm yes you might just find that
[14:14] <Riddell> I do dislike that pointless field
[14:14] <apachelogger> +
[14:14] <Riddell> ScottK: hang on, will fix
[14:14] <ScottK> I'm doing the actual lib first anyway.
[14:14] <Quintasan> o/
[14:15]  * apachelogger is pissed off with bugs again and does some movie watching
[14:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: Got anywhere near maliit>
[14:16] <Quintasan> ?
[14:16] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: I can't explain how to create a test case, since he uses cisco vpn with an android app that create randon password tokens...
[14:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'd appreciate it if you reviewed maliit-framework -> dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/maliit-framework_0.93.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^ link if you lost it or something :)
[14:18] <ScottK> Since this requires a specific type of VPN to test, say that you need to need to have access to that kind of VPN and then assume people know that stuff to test.
[14:23] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: ok, do I need to fill some bug?
[14:23] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: If there isn't one already.
[14:24] <dantti_laptop> k, let me look
[14:27] <ScottK> Riddell: re libkdegames copyright: missing copyright info for carddecks/svg-tigullio-international/tigullio-international.svgz.  cmake/modules/ is missing it's license file (also not covered in debian/copyright).  I think that makes it a reject.
[14:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Why does libkdegames6 Breaks: libkdegames5a?
[14:29] <ScottK> Riddell: You can drop the kdegames-card-data-extra Breaks/Replaces since those are pre-LTS versions.
[14:31] <ScottK> Riddell: Other than that, I think it's good.
[14:39] <BluesKaj> I'm testing the 3.7 kernel on 12.1.0 as suggested by using nomodeset in place of quiet splash , but the boot still freezes completely at the hardware scan ...any other suggestions ?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> on the 3.5 kernel atm
[14:45] <ScottK> BluesKaj: This is still not the channel for kernel issues.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ScottK, ok , look at it as a warning or a heads up then 
[14:48] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: I think maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+bug/415076 since someone says that on gnome it works..
[14:48] <ScottK> Releasing 4.9.3 to quantal-updates.
[14:49] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: OK.  Then please edit the bug to add the SRU template information.
[14:53] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: hmm to do that I just need to add a comment to that bug in that template [Impact] *foo, bar [Test Case] * do foo ? like that?
[14:53] <ScottK> It's better to edit the bug itself
[14:54] <dantti_laptop> hmm but I'm no maintainer I guess I can't
[14:55] <ScottK> You should be able it.  If you can't, a comment is OK.
[14:57] <dantti_laptop> hmm tho that bug is for a openVPN not vpnc connection :/
[14:57] <ScottK> Then I guess that's not it ...
[14:58] <dantti_laptop> maybe it fix this for openvpn too, but would need testing..
[14:59] <ScottK> Yeah, but let's focus on what we have someone to test.
[15:04] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: better a new bug then? all I find are old bugs that I can't be sure it's the same issue
[15:06] <ScottK> Agreed.
[15:27] <shadeslayer> rbelem: any status update on PA3?
[15:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer: i could not work on it last weekend, but i will do it today without failured
[15:30] <shadeslayer> rbelem: well ... could you point me to what you've done? I can work on it a bit as well
[15:32] <rbelem> shadeslayer: i've not done so much yet, if you start now you will have better progress than mine
[15:32] <shadeslayer> I see
[15:33] <shadeslayer> rbelem: okay, I'll start on it then :)
[15:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can we fix the PA stuff in quantal?
[15:33] <rbelem> shadeslayer: sorry for block you
[15:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Blueprint says we want to backport it to Quantal
[15:34] <ScottK> I mean the existing stuff that's broken.
[15:34] <shadeslayer> if that's what you meant
[15:34] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:34] <shadeslayer> was it just the meta package bits?
[15:34] <ScottK> Some patches went missing, IIRC.
[15:34] <shadeslayer> I see
[15:35] <ScottK> afiestas: Any word on kamoso with the new libs?  Kphotoalbum got fixed, so kamoso is the only user of the old libs left.
[15:35] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:45] <ScottK> Riddell: The actual lib for kdegames should be in section libs.
[15:46] <ScottK> The rest is good.  Accepted.
[15:53] <Riddell> ScottK: addition to your ubiquity change https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/ubiquity/encryptcheckbox_fix
[15:53] <Riddell> xnox: ^^
[15:54] <Riddell> ScottK: section fixed in bzr
[15:54] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Thanks.
[15:54] <ScottK> Now xnox can have it.
[15:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: we are talking about the same patches we did talk about at UDS 
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[15:55] <shadeslayer> the ones that didn't apply cleanly?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> s/didn't//
[15:55] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "the ones that  apply cleanly?"
[15:55] <shadeslayer> and were said to be upstreamed
[15:56] <ScottK> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdegames/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4053081
[15:56] <Quintasan> Those that apparently went upstream but did not 
[15:56] <shadeslayer> right
[15:56] <Quintasan> Yeah, and but I belive we'd be better off backporting PA3 to quantal
[15:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: any opinion on backporting ?
[15:57] <Riddell> ScottK: oh grr, my fail
[15:57] <ScottK> I'm in favor of first fixing the stuff we screwed up in quantal.
[15:58] <Quintasan> ScottK: I believe that fixing pa2 in quanta won't make it less broken than if we uploaded pa3
[15:59] <ScottK> You mean the thing that's not even packaged yet?
[15:59] <Riddell> I'd also be in favour of PA3 in raring first then backporting it
[16:00] <Quintasan> ScottK: dunno why anyone says pa3 is not packaged, if we have pa2 in archive then we must have a packaging base that should be reusable 
[16:00] <ScottK> For PA2, isn't it just a matter of reapplying the patches that got dropped?
[16:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm wondering if pa2 even got QA done properly if we shipped a package without relevant patches applied 
[16:02] <ScottK> True, but I think fixing PA2 is SRU suitable.  Upgrading to PA3 is not.
[16:03] <Quintasan> ScottK: nor I nor upstream will guarantee it will work even remotely as intended even after we fix the patch magic inside I believe
[16:03] <ScottK> Let's try it and see.
[16:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: any objections?
[16:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: to what?
[16:06] <soee> updating quantal to 4.10 beta2
[16:06] <soee> error while processing:
[16:06] <soee> /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-pl_4%3a4.9.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1_all.deb
[16:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: Updating pa package in quantal vs fixing the pa2 there 
[16:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: as I say my approach would be to package active 3 for raring and backport since I don't think there's much point in fixing something that upstream consider obsolete
[16:08] <Riddell> but whoever does the work gets to decide, either way is useful
[16:09] <Riddell> soee: you need to say what the error is, pastebin if necessary
[16:09] <Quintasan> I am of that opinion as well
[16:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: mind if we do it that way?
[16:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: if PA3 does not deliver we'll just fix PA2 package
[16:10] <ScottK> Quintasan: How will this get delivered to users in quantal?  We can't put it in raring-proposed/updates.
[16:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: I am not sure what you mean, we can update PA package in raring till the end of cycle
[16:13] <Quintasan> you want to know how quantal->raring upgrade will look like?
[16:13] <ScottK> s/raring/quantal/
[16:13] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "Quintasan: How will this get delivered to users in quantal?  We can't put it in quantal-proposed/updates."
[16:13] <Quintasan> oh
[16:14] <Quintasan> ScottK: We can't put that there because of what reason?
[16:14] <ScottK> Because it's not a bug fix.
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ^
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what needs to be done is a 2 pronged approach
[16:14] <ScottK> Same reason we don't put 4.10 in quantal updates either.
[16:14] <shadeslayer> package PA3 for -backports and fix PA2 for SRU
[16:15] <ScottK> Yes.  Please.
[16:15] <afiestas> ScottK: it is in my todo still :/
[16:15] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: quantal-backports you mean?
[16:15] <Quintasan> or what
[16:15] <ScottK> afiestas: OK.  Thanks.
[16:15] <Quintasan> since I'm getting lost in -backports stuff right now
[16:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: q-b yes
[16:16] <Quintasan> I can agree to that
[16:16] <Quintasan> But I would like to see that mentioned on our webpage
[16:18] <Quintasan> not necessarily an announcement but I'd like to have the word out
[16:19] <Quintasan> "Hey people Plasma Active in quantal is a little bit out of date so please enable quantal-backports if you would like to use the newest version" or something like that 
[16:20] <yofel_> Isn't that more of a pin question these days?
[16:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: got anywhere with the pa3 package?
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I haven't even started
[16:20] <shadeslayer> working on some other stuff
[16:20] <shadeslayer> took over from rbelem a couple of hours ago 
[16:20] <Quintasan> I'm not sure why not bring the existing one up to date
[16:21] <Quintasan> Most of preliminary work was done there
[16:21] <Quintasan> Any particular reason for doing it from scratch?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> I am not going to do it from scratch
[16:22] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:22] <shadeslayer> although the plasma keyboard container needs to be dropped
[16:22] <shadeslayer> because PA3 is supposed to use Maliit
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^ So get Maliit uploaded
[16:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'd appreciate if you review maliit at some point before I go to Debian folks with anything 
[16:23] <ScottK> OK.
[16:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: as you can see I'm waiting for a review :p
[16:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:23] <ScottK> What version of KDE does mailit need?
[16:24] <Quintasan> It doesn't need KDE 
[16:24] <Quintasan> It needs Qt 4
[16:25] <Quintasan> Plasma Active needs maliit 
[16:29] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:33] <soee> Riddell, the language packade is ok, i did dist-upgrade again and that one worked also
[16:34] <ScottK> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkdegames/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu2/+build/4053108
[16:36] <Riddell> ScottK: doh!
[16:38] <soee> is it possible to use this reworked oxygen them in beta2 ?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> soee: ?
[16:39] <soee> shadeslayer, http://www.notmart.org/images/desktop-air-410.png
[16:40] <shadeslayer> that will land in RC1 I guess
[16:40] <soee> ah so we have to wait till christmass :<
[16:40] <shadeslayer> We don't want additional patches unless they're very critical
[16:40] <shadeslayer> and new themes aren't critical
[16:40] <shadeslayer> soee: well
[16:40] <shadeslayer> *hint* neon *hint*
[16:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Also your section change wasn't actually in ubuntu2.
[16:47] <ScottK> Or rather not for source
[16:49] <ScottK> Fun.  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/125352745/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-amd64.libkdegames_4%3A4.9.90-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: I think this package has it in for me
[16:52] <shadeslayer> xD
[17:05] <Riddell> ScottK: fancy acking this backport? bug 1088534
[17:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Done
[17:17] <jalcine> What does acking mean?
[17:20] <ScottK> It's short of Acknowledge, but it generally means approval in an Ubuntu context.
[17:21] <Darkwing> Hey guys
[17:25] <ScottK> s/of/for/
[17:25] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "It's short for Acknowledge, but it generally means approval in an Ubuntu context."
[17:33] <jalcine> interesting!
[17:33] <jalcine> TIL about acking
[17:34] <Quintasan> jussi: What distro do you use on you imx53s?
[17:36] <ScottK> Riddell: More libkdegames fun.
[17:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: I have mx51's running Ubuntu, but with a vendor kernel.
[17:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: vendor kernel being?
[17:36] <ScottK> In my case from Genesi.
[17:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: TBH I don't want to install the desktop image just to remove crapton of packages from it
[17:37] <ScottK> It is painful, but that's what I did.
[17:38] <micahg> are there no netboots for arm*?
[17:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: precise?
[17:39] <Quintasan> ScottK: I don't have a vga cable to plug in my monitor besides, did you just swap the kernel and it worked?
[17:39] <ScottK> No, I had an image that included their kernel to start with.
[17:40] <Quintasan> You upgraded the install or what?
[17:40] <Quintasan> Freescale gives you lucid images
[17:40] <Quintasan> I can't imagine that will upgrade smoothly
[17:42] <ScottK> Not Freescale, Genesi.
[17:45] <Quintasan> I wonder if that image will work
[17:46] <ScottK> It's very hardware specific.  If you don't have a Genesi smarttop/book it probably doesn't.
[17:47] <afiestas> suspend the laptop with the installer frozen
[17:47] <afiestas> what logs should I give to you?
[17:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: *shrug* I'll give it a go
[17:49] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/623306 installer/debug: 
[17:50] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/623312 installer/dm
[17:50] <afiestas> I don't need the laptop until probably tomorrow
[17:50] <ScottK> xnox: ^^^ help!!!
[17:50] <afiestas> so hurry up if you want any log ior mne doing any debug
[17:50] <afiestas> xnox: !
[17:50] <shadeslayer> the debug output looks similar to what I had reported
[17:51] <shadeslayer> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1085991
[17:51] <shadeslayer> second comment
[17:52] <xnox> shadeslayer: ScottK: shadeslayer: there have been multiple reports recently of "hanging installs". One think you can try is:
[17:52] <afiestas> shadeslayer: that might be it, since I have windows 8 installed on that laptop
[17:53] <shadeslayer> boooo. hissss.
[17:53] <xnox> $ sudo chmod -x /lib/partman/automatically_partition/*5*/choices
[17:53] <xnox> when ubiquity comes up, but before clicking next on the prepare step.
[17:53] <xnox> and please tell me if that fixes for you.
[17:54] <shadeslayer> afiestas: ^ since you probably are the one who can test this the quickest
[17:54] <xnox> I have managed to kind of reproduce it with a fat partition, but ntfs might be also a trigger for this bug.
[17:56] <afiestas> xnox: if I kill ubiquity and startit again, will it work?
[17:56] <afiestas> or should I do a clean start?
[17:57] <xnox> afiestas: if you already had a hang, killing ubiquity will not help.
[17:57] <xnox> afiestas: just reboot.
[17:57] <afiestas> ookz
[17:57] <afiestas> restarting then
[18:00] <afiestas> xnox: worked
[18:01] <xnox> afiestas: now, tell me a lot of how you booted and how many disks you had attached to your system.
[18:01] <xnox> afiestas: did you boot from USB or CD?
[18:01] <afiestas> oks
[18:01] <afiestas> I booted from USB
[18:01] <afiestas> dd if of the image
[18:01] <xnox> afiestas: how many hard-drives do you have?
[18:01] <afiestas> I had windows 8 installed, using the whole harddisk (it is a laptop, only have 1)
[18:02] <xnox> afiestas: that's it?
[18:02] <afiestas> the machien is a dell XPS1330 the ones that shipped with Ubuntu years ago
[18:02] <xnox> afiestas: ok. thanks a lot.
[18:02] <afiestas> yes
[18:04] <afiestas> xnox: if you need another test, I can give it a try next week
[18:04] <afiestas> I mean, I don't mind reinstalling windows8 and trying to install Kubuntu again,  I use this machine mostly for that
[18:04] <xnox> afiestas: and windows8 is that ntfs or fat or something else?
[18:04] <xnox> afiestas: just one partition or many?
[18:04] <afiestas> one, ntfs I guess
[18:05]  * xnox ponders if we are bitten by hybrid-hybernate here.
[18:05]  * xnox bah, we should just skip ntfs/fat as those are invalid filesystems for reuse/replace anyway =)
[18:06] <afiestas> xD
[18:09] <afiestas> xnox: resized it 
[18:09] <afiestas> the ntfs I mean, just for the sake of seeing what happens
[18:09] <afiestas> xd
[18:13] <afiestas> xnox: worked well, windows8 boots, ntfs resized etc
[18:15] <afiestas> mmmm
[18:15] <afiestas> the encryoption of my home directory didn't worked as I expected
[18:15] <afiestas> after installing it, a bulb appeared in the systray
[18:15] <afiestas> clicked on it, asked me to "run this action"
[18:16] <afiestas> a terminal opened asking me for a passphrase, introduced one (I think I did a typo)
[18:16] <afiestas> but couldn't check because there is no passphrase verification
[18:16]  * xnox is not kubuntu dev =))))) i only deal with before/during/after partitioning page =)))))
[18:17] <xnox> ScottK: Riddell: ^^^^ see above, how is encryption UI suppose to look on kubuntu?
[18:18] <ScottK> "like Ubuntu"
[18:22] <afiestas> nothign is happening
[18:22] <Riddell> xnox: which one?  the ecrypted home folder is just an option you select on the user setup page
[18:22] <afiestas> the terminal is open, noi special process encrypting anything
[18:23] <afiestas> the "run action" dialog is still there
[18:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Is libkdegamesprivate used directly by KDE games or just by libkdegames?
[18:23] <xnox> ScottK: Riddell: well, with encryptfs you should have the "first login" action to store decrypted key for encryption.
[18:24] <ScottK> We have that with encrypted home, so I know it's there somewhere.
[18:25] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+bug/1088588 
[18:25] <dantti_laptop> do I need to add some extra tag?
[18:25] <dantti_laptop> sorry never did this SRU thing...
[18:25] <Riddell> ScottK: "apt-cache rdepends libkdegamesprivate1" used by a bunch of games
[18:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[18:26] <afiestas> http://wstaw.org/w/1xhU
[18:26] <ScottK> The binaries look good then.  Just need symbols fixed for armhf/powerpc.
[18:27] <ScottK> dantti_laptop: Thanks.  I think I did all the stuff it needs.
[18:27] <afiestas> below "Passphrase" was a hash, erased it using krita just in case
[18:27] <afiestas> the [[B is me doing scroll up scrolldown with the mouse
[18:27] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: ok, thanks :)
[19:00] <cyphermox> dantti_laptop: ok so it did fix the issues, thanks
[19:01] <cyphermox> I'll get to it shortly
[19:01] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: well our initial tests showed yes, but the guy won't come today it seems to do a second (fresh reboot) test
[19:03] <cyphermox> should be easy enough to try on a live cd; I'll see about doing that as I prepare the SRU
[19:03] <cyphermox> fortunately, I'm crazy enough to have a vpnc vpn at home :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://lwn.net/Articles/528351/
[19:39] <shadeslayer> ahh
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/3.0/src/patches/
[19:39] <shadeslayer> so basically it's a patchset from PA people
[19:40] <shadeslayer> it doesn't help that they name the plasma mobile package plasma-mobile-0.4
[19:40] <shadeslayer> but call the release 3
[19:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK should we follow upstream source versionining or upstream release versioning?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> uh ... by which I mean, should we use plasma-mobile 0.4 or plasma-mobile 3?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> later would require use of epoch's I guess
[19:47] <soee> lol just noticed new window maximise effect :) nice one
[19:52] <shadeslayer> gosh, very hungry
[19:55] <soee> eat some cookies
[19:55] <soee> om niom niom
[19:55] <shadeslayer> no cookies
[19:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/hupnp_1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ppa2.dsc
[19:55] <shadeslayer> plz2upload
[20:11]  * shadeslayer goes off to find something to eat
[20:20] <soee> how can i remove old entries from krunner ?
[20:21] <Riddell> --> #kde
[20:29] <shadeslayer> apparently today was slightly burnt toast, cheese and chilly sauce night
[20:30] <Riddell> no, it's barley, lentil and carrot night
[20:33] <TheLordOfTime> hiya to Kubuntu Developers.  Got a question RE: Kubuntu bugs.  If a bug is Kubuntu-specific for, say, the firefox package, should the bug be filed against the package in question and in comments marked as Kubuntu only, or is ther a specific package you want it filed against?
[20:33] <Riddell> TheLordOfTime: if it's a bug in the firefox package then file it against that
[20:34] <TheLordOfTime> Riddell, and then comment its only reproduceable within Kubuntu?
[20:34] <TheLordOfTime> because the same bug is non-reproduceable within Unity/Ubuntu
[20:34] <shadeslayer> also depends on which ff you're using, are you using the one with KDE integration patches?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> if so, then said bug might be invalid against the archive package
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> should probably grab the bug
[20:35]  * TheLordOfTime searches the scrollbacks and history for the specific bug
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1036252
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> its a "Mint" bug per se
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> which made me want to invalid iti ifast.
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> BUT.
[20:36] <shadeslayer> uh
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> it was reported later that it happened in Kubuntu
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> this one said Kubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1036252/comments/1
[20:36] <shadeslayer> Mint people have a fun way of making things
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> i said unless it was confirmed i'd treat it as a Minut bug (Invalid for Ubuntu)
[20:36] <shadeslayer> which I don't want to publically disclose, but let's see
[20:37]  * shadeslayer tests on raring
[20:39] <shadeslayer> hah
[20:39] <shadeslayer> TheLordOfTime: ** (firefox:32220): WARNING **: Cannot launch default application: No application is registered as handling this file
[20:39] <shadeslayer> it's an upstream bug
[20:39] <shadeslayer> presumably you won't be able to reproduce this with the package that has KDE Integration
[20:40] <shadeslayer> TheLordOfTime: would you be able to test by installing packages from https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> shadeslayer, i wouldn't, i'm just bugcontrol and I don't have KDE active at the moment
[20:40] <TheLordOfTime> that... and my ext4 partitions are fubar
[20:40] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> any testing I do of anything is server packages.
[20:41] <shadeslayer> anyone else running FF from the blue shell PPA ?
[20:43] <soee> blue shell?
[20:44] <shadeslayer> soee: https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> shadeslayer, if its not found in KDE's firefox (i assume its a variant of the archive version?) lemme know, i'll stab the bug.
[20:44]  * TheLordOfTime hates mint packages.
[20:44] <shadeslayer> yeah, gimme a couple of minutes
[20:44] <TheLordOfTime> s/packages//
[20:44] <kubotu> TheLordOfTime meant: "hates mint ."
[20:44] <shadeslayer> TheLordOfTime: their packages make me want to bleed my eyes out
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> shadeslayer, the number of people who file mint bugs against Ubuntu makes me want to (yes, this isn't very CoC-compliant, but i'm quite tired of it) open up /dev/null (aka Hell) and dump mint users into there.
[20:45] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> i see FAR too many mint users hoping for Ubuntu to fix things.
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> ("Ubuntu" being the generic term for the Ubuntu-and-official-variant-archives)
[20:46] <TheLordOfTime> and then there's them looking for help in #ubuntu, but that's a rant for another day.
[20:46] <shadeslayer> hah
[20:46] <shadeslayer> TheLordOfTime: works perfectly in the patched version
[20:47] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: mint bugs that are genuine bugs in the Ubuntu packages are valid, mint bugs caused by mint tweaks are not
[20:48] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, then for a case-in-point, there's a bug filed against Ubiquity that's only referenced in Mint.  is that correctly Invalid?
[20:48] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: bug number or it's all hypothetical.
[20:48] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, i think we should add into triage guide or bug guides then what to do if a non=Ubuntu bug is filed (i.e. Mint)
[20:48]  * TheLordOfTime seeks it in -bugs
[20:48] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: depends on the bug.....
[20:49]  * xnox doesn't see any.
[20:49] <TheLordOfTime> i have it somewhere, i commented on it so it'll show in my bugs.
[20:49]  * TheLordOfTime opens LP
[20:49] <TheLordOfTime> ... geez, too many bug windows open o.O
[20:49]  * TheLordOfTime has 20 tabs open for just bugs.
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> ah, sorry, this one's a Backtrack bug
[20:50] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: same rules of triage apply I would think, if it's not a bug -> question, if it's a bug that only exists in a third party archive, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Packages_not_provided_by_Ubuntu
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> but it falls under the "non supported" side of derivatives, so...
[20:50] <TheLordOfTime> xnox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1086675
[20:50] <micahg> this seems very OT for this channel though
[20:51] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, you brought it up, i'll move to -bugs though :p
[20:51] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: [14:45] <TheLordOfTime> shadeslayer, the number of people who file mint bugs against Ubuntu makes me want to (yes, this isn't very CoC-compliant, but i'm quite tired of it) open up /dev/null (aka Hell) and dump mint users into there.
[20:51]  * micahg did not bring it up :)
[20:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:52] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[20:52] <shadeslayer> it's OT, but it's still about development, so I don't think it should be an issue
[20:52] <shadeslayer> oh heh, I'm not in #ubuntu-bugs
[20:52] <shadeslayer> how odd
[21:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Why does libhupnp1 Breaks/Replaces libhupnp0?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> because we don't want people who upgrade to have libhupnp0 installed on their system?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> oh, wait, could probably use something else for that
[21:04]  * ScottK fixes libkdegames.
[21:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.  libs should be co-installable for transition/upgrades.
[21:06] <shadeslayer> I see
[21:06] <shadeslayer> but there isn't a libhupnp0 anymore
[21:06] <shadeslayer> so shouldn't we tell dpkg to remove it
[21:06] <shadeslayer> even though it's coinstallable
[21:06] <ScottK> No.
[21:06] <ScottK> It'll get cleaned up once nothing depends on it.
[21:06] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[21:07] <shadeslayer> so basically we can drop that breaks/replaces
[21:09] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:09] <ScottK> I'll fix it.
[21:09] <shadeslayer> thx
[21:10] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)
[21:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Are we ready to let 4.9.90 (less games) go into raring?  I was thinking to maybe replace the block on kde4libs migration with one on libkdegames until we have games all sorted.
[21:22] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I think that's a good plan
[21:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.
[21:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: hupnp done.
[21:25] <ScottK> Also, fixed libkdegames uploaded.
[21:29] <shadeslayer> thanks!
[21:31] <ScottK> Maybe you can get Riddell to New it once it builds.
[21:31] <ScottK> Then you get to start rebuliding rdepends.
[21:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/623390/
[21:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:42] <xnox> please help verify bug 1055967 using precise daily
[21:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Try reverse-depends -b libhupnp-dev
[21:43] <shadeslayer> digikam
[21:44] <shadeslayer> will upload that to rebuild once Riddell accepts libhupnp1 from New
[21:44] <Riddell> what what?
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: libhupnp1 probably landed in New
[21:45] <shadeslayer> please accept :)
[21:45] <ScottK> It did and it's all built
[21:45] <ScottK> Got libkdegames to build on all archs too.
[21:45] <shadeslayer> yay
[21:45] <Riddell> let me see what excuse I can find to reject it
[21:45] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[21:45] <Riddell> well done ScottK!
[21:45]  * shadeslayer goes back to porting pgst
[21:46] <ScottK> It was just a bit of symbolshelper magic needed.
[21:46] <Riddell> "  It integrates into Qt-based
[21:46] <Riddell>   software smoothly and enables truly rapid UPnP development.
[21:46] <Riddell> "
[21:47] <Riddell> surely bad word wrap is an excuse for rejection?
[21:47] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[21:47] <soee> how can i clear icons cache ?
[21:48] <Riddell> "  - Server side SOAP is not supported. - References to values (id &
[21:48] <Riddell>   href attributes) are not supported. - Only arrays with less than 5
[21:48] <Riddell>   dimensions are supported. - Namespaces for types are not checked.
[21:48] <Riddell> "
[21:48] <Riddell> now that's just attrocious formatting
[21:48] <shadeslayer> okay, that I agree
[21:48] <shadeslayer> just carried over from old packaging
[21:49] <shadeslayer> I think we can drop that from description
[21:49] <yofel_> soee: -> #kubuntu usually, but it's somewhere in /var/tmp/kdecache-*
[21:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok I'll accept it this time, but next time that word wrap setting needs sorted or its curtains for the little binaries
[21:50] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:50]  * Riddell it putting on a tough act tonight
[21:51] <shadeslayer> if there's a Scottish mafia Riddell would fit right in
[21:52] <Moxon> Heya!  I switched to raring ringtail and have problems with gnome applications: they freeze at random points (tested with gnucash, gramps, gnome-control-center).  is this a known issue?
[21:52] <Moxon> I tried to run gnucash as root and it works without any freezing.
[21:52] <Moxon> and is this the right channel to ask?
[21:53] <shadeslayer> *cough* root *cough*
[21:53] <soee> ok got it, had to logout
[21:53] <Riddell> I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your home on the wedding day of your daughter. And may their first child be a masculine child. But we don't tend to do Gnome around these parts.
[21:53] <Moxon> yeah, I know.
[21:57] <Moxon> shadeslayer: same effect for a brand new user.
[22:08] <Moxon> question: why do my gnome applications use the oxygen theme and how can I turn this setting of?
[22:10] <shadeslayer> well ... a) Better kde integration
[22:10] <shadeslayer> and you can turn it off using systemsettings > Application appearence > GTK Config
[22:10] <shadeslayer> and you should be asking in #kubuntu-devel
[22:10] <shadeslayer> erm
[22:11] <shadeslayer> #kubuntu even
[22:11] <Moxon> yes, you are right.  This is a user question.  Thanks for pointing me towards the setting, I will try it (and switch channels).
[23:10] <ScottK> Riddell: ksnakeduel also has a ktron binary in it.  Is that intentional?  If it is, it needs to break/replace ktron.  If it isn't it needs to be removed.  Rejected it.
[23:21] <ScottK> Riddell: picimi was still in section libs.
[23:22] <ScottK> I accepted it though.
[23:22] <ScottK> picmi even
[23:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Don't bother using raring-proposed in changelog.   Just use raring and things will get automatically diverted.
[23:29] <Riddell> ScottK: wasnae me, that was shadeslayer 
[23:30] <ScottK> Changelog says you ...
[23:33] <shadeslayer> actually, blame automation script
[23:33] <shadeslayer> it used raring-proposed for everything
[23:34] <Riddell> ScottK: shall I e-mail the list of new packages to colin to add to the kubuntu upload set?
[23:34] <ScottK> I'd say let's wait until they are actually in the archive.
[23:34] <ScottK> I don't think he can pre-add them.
[23:35] <Riddell> ksnakeduel reuploaded
[23:48] <ScottK> OK.
[23:48] <ScottK> Riddell: When you mail Colin, ask him to remove openimageio as well.  It's no longer a build-dep of calligra.
[23:55] <ScottK> Riddell: For konquest you need to grep for copyright stuff harder and it's worth asking upstream to fix the copyright attribution in players/neutralplayer.cpp