| jasoncwarner | TheMuso: acked | 00:05 |
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| pitti | Bonjour | 05:25 |
| BigWhale | Good Morning ... | 05:55 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:46 |
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| pitti | bonjour didrocks, comment vas-tu? | 07:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: ça va bien, mes muscles sont complètement endoloris après 3 jours où j'ai beaucoup marché pour la fête des lumières | 07:05 |
| pitti | hehe -- tu as marché dans la neige? | 07:05 |
| didrocks | il a neigé un peu, mais pas assez pour que ça tienne sur les couloirs :) | 07:05 |
| didrocks | et toi, tu as fais quoi pour le week-end? | 07:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: we went to the Christmas fair in Munich on Friday on my way back from the airport, that was very nice | 07:08 |
| didrocks | oh good ;) | 07:08 |
| pitti | weekend was rather quiet, we played badminton again + sauna, some house cleaning, etc. | 07:08 |
| pitti | it'll be our last "free" weekend for some time | 07:08 |
| didrocks | ah? busy ones ahead? :) | 07:09 |
| pitti | ma femme va aller à Suéde pour une semaine | 07:09 |
| didrocks | oh? conférence? | 07:09 |
| pitti | non, vacances | 07:09 |
| pitti | and after she returns, we'll go to Dresden for Christmas/new year and seeing lots of family and friends | 07:10 |
| * jalcine loves how the convo went from French to English and he still (slightly) understands | 07:10 | |
| didrocks | excellent :) | 07:10 |
| didrocks | (this is both French and English ^) :) | 07:10 |
| pitti | jalcine: mon français est très mal, j'ai apprendre un peut français seullement | 07:10 |
| pitti | je parle franglemand! | 07:11 |
| * jalcine can't reply in French sadly | 07:11 | |
| didrocks | :) | 07:11 |
| jalcine | haha! | 07:11 |
| jalcine | :D | 07:11 |
| pitti | (I am German, and learn French with an English program) | 07:11 |
| jalcine | It looks good to me, but I speak Haitian Creole largely | 07:11 |
| jalcine | French looks very similar and I understand it like 70% of the time | 07:11 |
| pitti | jalcine: wow, how did a Latin based language make it all the way to Haiti? | 07:14 |
| pitti | through colonization, I guess, hardly a "native" one? | 07:14 |
| jalcine | Well, I live in New York now lol | 07:14 |
| jalcine | and Creole is based heavily on French so yeah, colonization was a big factor | 07:14 |
| jibel | good morning | 07:27 |
| didrocks | hey jibel! bon week-end? | 07:32 |
| jibel | salut didrocks, we calme. Ma fille ainée n'était pas très bien, on n'a donc pas fait grand-chose | 07:33 |
| jibel | didrocks, et toi ? | 07:33 |
| didrocks | jibel: tout cassé! muscles endoloris car on a beaucoup marché les 3 soirs de la fête des lumières | 07:34 |
| Laney | hey | 09:05 |
| pitti | hey Laney, how are you? | 09:11 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 09:12 |
| Laney | considering how it feels to be back from holiday ;-) | 09:12 |
| Laney | how's it going pitti? | 09:13 |
| pitti | Laney: oh, where were you? | 09:13 |
| Laney | Lake District | 09:13 |
| pitti | Laney: quite fine! we had a great error db sprint last week in the office | 09:13 |
| Laney | I posted some pics on G+ | 09:13 |
| Laney | oh yeah, I remember hearing about that! Did it achieve good results? | 09:13 |
| pitti | yes, it did indeed; ev will write a summary about it soon | 09:15 |
| Laney | great | 09:16 |
| bdrung | does ubuntu-archive have an IRC channel? | 09:44 |
| Laney | no, use -release | 09:45 |
| bdrung | k, thx | 09:45 |
| seb128 | Laney, pitti, desktopers: hey, how are you? | 10:08 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 10:09 |
| pitti | I'm great, thanks! | 10:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, how was your trip back? no snow issue? | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: just 40 mins delay, no biggie | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: my wife met me in Munich main station, and we went to the Christmas fair, they have a nice one in Munich | 10:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, nice! | 10:10 |
| Laney | yeah, getting back into it ;-) | 10:11 |
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| didrocks | ok, the daily .po* file generation in the webapp stack that I was blocking manually from now for daily landing is automatically ignored now :) | 11:34 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: _rene_ reported multiple problems with his new packages, so I wont prepare a upload for raring just yet, but do a release on the prereleases-ppa. | 12:04 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: I still hope to have a upload by the end of the week, as that would allow a default raring install to take part in http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/12/08/the-libreoffice-community-organises-a-6-day-test-marathon-to-help-preparing-the-new-4-0-version-of-libreoffice/ | 12:05 |
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| Sweetshark | seb128: also on the MIRs for reportbuilder have met resistance on bug 1034560. Esp. the additional deps would open a can of worms. I will consider building LO with internal jfreereport as that removes a lot of the deps. does that sound sane? | 12:32 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1034560 in libfonts-java (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libloader-java, libformula-java, librepository-java, libfonts-java, libserializer-java " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034560 | 12:32 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, ok for end of week | 12:55 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, building with the copy ... seems fine to me, not ideal but better than the alternatuve | 12:55 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: k, I will give it a try an see if it pops up other surprises.. | 12:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: any objection to merge ubuntu-artwork into ubuntu-settings? (at least for the gsettings overrides) | 13:15 |
| * mpt wonders what PolicyKit authentication looks like for someone who has no password | 13:15 | |
| didrocks | I don't know about the distributor logo, we can maybe move it to ubuntu-wallpapers providing its ubuntu-artwork binary package | 13:16 |
| BigWhale | Greetings... so, is there any decent way to deal with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-distutils-extra/+bug/692142 | 13:19 |
| BigWhale | ? | 13:19 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 692142 in python-distutils-extra "build_icons only installs icons to share/icons/hicolor" [Undecided,New] | 13:19 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no objection | 13:30 |
| didrocks | thanks seb128 :) I'll move that then, yeah for cleaning \o/ | 13:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks ;-) | 13:31 |
| didrocks | yw! | 13:31 |
| Laney | oh cool beans, new webkit doesn't need hax to make any more | 14:17 |
| seb128 | Laney, the debian guys fixed it ;-) | 14:19 |
| Laney | too kind of them :P | 14:20 |
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| Laney | hum, my compose key stopped working | 14:41 |
| Laney | means i can't type my gpg passphrase | 14:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, use gucharmap and copy the char? ;-) | 14:43 |
| Laney | bah! | 14:46 |
| soren_ | Laney: Use unicode input? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | or fix compose... ;-) | 14:48 |
| Laney | don't have that either | 14:48 |
| soren_ | Laney: How do you not have unicode input? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, ctrl-shift-u | 14:49 |
| Laney | yeah, it does nothing | 14:49 |
| seb128 | hum, it should display a u with underscore and let you type your numbe | 14:49 |
| seb128 | r | 14:49 |
| seb128 | Laney, right click, input method ... which one is selected? | 14:49 |
| Laney | it works on this here quantal machine: ô | 14:50 |
| seb128 | Laney, select "simple"? | 14:50 |
| Laney | System (X Input Method) | 14:50 |
| Laney | yeah simple works | 14:50 |
| Laney | GTK_IM_MODULE is set to xim, guess that is the same thing | 14:50 |
| Laney | where does that come from? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | Laney, could be the im-switch to im-config change | 14:51 |
| seb128 | Laney, try asking GunnarHj | 14:51 |
| seb128 | Laney, one issue is that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80im-switch should be cleared and is not, not sure if that can create your issue | 14:52 |
| * Laney nods | 14:53 | |
| Laney | let me try purging im-switch | 14:53 |
| Laney | sadly not | 14:54 |
| Laney | ah, ibus, it'll be that | 14:55 |
| Laney | nope - it is im-config | 15:01 |
| cyphermox | seb128: Laney: that change got reverted friday | 15:04 |
| cyphermox | im-switch vs. im-config | 15:04 |
| Laney | it got put back | 15:04 |
| cyphermox | oh ok ;) | 15:04 |
| Laney | I think I must have had a stray .xinputrc | 15:04 |
| Laney | but I would have overwritten it by running im-config so can't know for sure :( | 15:06 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, hey, what Laney said, infinity found the old approved MIR from oneiric time | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | sure, sorry | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | hey ;) how are you? | 15:06 |
| seb128 | good, how are you? | 15:06 |
| blami | hi, is the System Settings panel monolithic or it has some plugin architecture so other installed packages can drop its own settings there? | 15:46 |
| mpt | blami, the former | 15:52 |
| blami | mpt: is that intentional or just same as upstream? | 15:54 |
| mpt | blami, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00096.html | 15:55 |
| blami | mpt: ... :( I think it is a good idea to have it modular. It simplifies users life a lot when all various settings can be found in single place | 15:57 |
| mpt | blami, there are external packages that provide panels, but afaik, g-c-c needs to know about them. One of those is activity-log-manager, which provides the "Privacy" panel. | 15:57 |
| mpt | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/activity-log-manager | 15:57 |
| Laney | We revert that change | 15:57 |
| mpt | blami, jbicha is probably a good person to ask about this. :-) What I'm telling you may be out of date. | 15:58 |
| Laney | grep Settings-Panel /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | 16:01 |
| blami | Laney: awesome, thanks | 16:03 |
| blami | Laney: so just putting similar line as those have will make application launcher appear in settings panel? | 16:04 |
| Laney | Should do - copy the ubuntuone-installer.desktop and mess around with it to test | 16:05 |
| blami | Laney: thanks | 16:06 |
| Laney | np | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | Laney, can you look at bug 1087669 | 16:07 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1087669 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Audio Call fails due to linking both gstreamer 0.10 and 1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087669 | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | sounds like it is from the gst-1.0 transition | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | so probably will get fixed as you finish that up | 16:07 |
| Laney | kenvandine: that's likely; IIRC empathy is held back due to farstream | 16:07 |
| Laney | which is the part that's waiting for Kubuntu | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | ok, thx | 16:08 |
| Laney | people can use the PPA in the meantime | 16:09 |
| * Laney replied | 16:15 | |
| desrt | attente: update? | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | Laney, thx | 16:19 |
| Laney | no problemo | 16:19 |
| desrt | attente: i've noticed that you're doing some scary-looking stuff with references | 16:19 |
| attente | desrt: trying to figure out the xprop/GtkApplication problem | 16:19 |
| desrt | ah. nice. | 16:20 |
| attente | not that i'm closed to advice... | 16:21 |
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| attente | desrt: what's the problem with the references? | 16:23 |
| desrt | attente: i think you can probably safely assume that either a menubar exists as a GMenuModel or as a GtkMenu | 16:23 |
| desrt | not both | 16:23 |
| desrt | so if you see that the X property for the menubar is already set to something, just disable your code for that window? | 16:23 |
| desrt | the question of which actiongroup to use is a bit more interesting, of course | 16:23 |
| attente | so basically don't do anything if it's already done? | 16:24 |
| desrt | you could just use the GActionMap interface on the GtkApplicationWindow to add to the existing actiongroup | 16:24 |
| desrt | and not worry about publishing your own | 16:24 |
| attente | um. why do i need to use the existing actiongroup if they're already using GMenuModel? | 16:26 |
| desrt | so first thing first: all GtkApplicationWindow instances are action groups | 16:27 |
| desrt | and you should never override them | 16:27 |
| desrt | ie: rule #1: if you have a GtkApplicationWindow then do not publish your own actions | 16:27 |
| attente | ok | 16:28 |
| desrt | the reason there is because lots of things can hit those actions | 16:29 |
| attente | but when would i ever need to publish actions without menus? | 16:29 |
| desrt | the most obvious example is an app menu | 16:29 |
| desrt | there are a few apps out there that are using GMenuModel for the app menu but still GtkMenu for menubars | 16:29 |
| desrt | and of course the app menu may hit actions on the window... | 16:30 |
| desrt | so you need to add to the group rather than replacing it outright | 16:30 |
| attente | hmm | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | wow, is nautilus in raring ever confusing | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | what's with the arbitrary split of what's in the menu vs. what's in the gear button | 16:34 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, welcome to gnome-shell design, the most common actions are supposed to be in the menu, the less common ones in the gear menu | 16:37 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, we have a workitem to restore traditional menus for nautilus this cycle for unity | 16:37 |
| mdeslaur | seb128: oh, thank $DEITY | 16:38 |
| desrt | seb128: not quite right | 16:38 |
| desrt | app menu gets 'global' actions | 16:38 |
| desrt | gear menu gets actions affecting that one window | 16:38 |
| mdeslaur | desrt: how is a user supposed to know what that means? | 16:39 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: it's a pretty natural idea... | 16:39 |
| mdeslaur | desrt: i disagree | 16:39 |
| seb128 | desrt, the difference is not that obvious | 16:39 |
| desrt | do i want to do something with nautilus in general or with the directory that i'm currently viewing? | 16:39 |
| seb128 | desrt, like "enter location" which opens an url bar in the win is in the shell menu | 16:39 |
| desrt | ya... that's a bit failish | 16:40 |
| desrt | i'd expect a dialog to pop up for that | 16:40 |
| mdeslaur | desrt: how do I know that creating a folder in my home directory isn't in general? that doesn't really apply to a single window, etc. | 16:40 |
| mdeslaur | it's pretty confusing if you ask me | 16:40 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: it applies to the current location | 16:40 |
| desrt | seb's example is an annoying one, though | 16:40 |
| seb128 | "new tab" vs "enter location" | 16:40 |
| seb128 | they are both similar actions and yet at different places | 16:41 |
| mdeslaur | desrt: I don't think regular users are able to understand that concept. I'm sorry. | 16:41 |
| mdeslaur | sounds like something that only makes sense to someone technical | 16:41 |
| seb128 | desrt, it's a bit buggy, like "undo" is in the by-win menu but it undo actions from any context | 16:42 |
| desrt | there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything here | 16:42 |
| seb128 | desrt, so the undo list is for the app but yet it's not in the shell menu... | 16:42 |
| desrt | http://imgur.com/0ymHm | 16:42 |
| larsu | desrt, hi, aren't you supposed to be on vacation? | 16:42 |
| mdeslaur | well, having a reasonable explanation doesn't mean it's usable. | 16:42 |
| mdeslaur | I believe some user testing of this concept is in order | 16:43 |
| desrt | larsu: didn't get it cleared :( | 16:43 |
| larsu | mdeslaur, what makes you believe that there wasn't any user testing? | 16:43 |
| larsu | desrt, ugh, sorry | 16:43 |
| mdeslaur | larsu: because even I can't grasp the concept, or make an informed decision on where stuff should be...but if it's been user tested with Ubuntu's target audience, then I guess it's ok | 16:44 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, I doubt it got any "Ubuntu's target audience" testing and as said we decided to keep using normal menus for Ubuntu | 16:45 |
| mdeslaur | ok | 16:47 |
| desrt | okay. i'm officially on vacation now :p | 16:49 |
| desrt | somehow i didn't get the memo... | 16:49 |
| larsu | mdeslaur, right. I don't know whether it's been tested or not, I just dislike these general stabs towards gnome -- as if they aren't thinking about what they are doing | 16:50 |
| larsu | mdeslaur, I very much agree with you on nautilus' menus, though :) | 16:50 |
| larsu | desrt, awesome, enjoy! | 16:50 |
| Laney | mterry: thanks for fixing the music lens landing | 16:50 |
| Laney | I'm actually back now but somehow thought it got done :P | 16:51 |
| Laney | that awkward moment where you stare at a watch file for 5 minutes before seeing that you wrote 'downloads' instead of 'releases' | 16:54 |
| mterry | Laney, oh ok | 17:03 |
| mterry | Laney, :) | 17:03 |
| Laney | so you shouldn't bother with changelogs for these things? | 17:03 |
| Laney | debian changelogs | 17:04 |
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| Sweetshark | libreoffice-4.0~beta1 for raring uploaded for testbuilding btw. | 17:13 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Hi Sebastien! | 17:17 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hey, how are you? | 17:17 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, great, let me know how the testing goes | 17:18 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Fine, hope you are as well. | 17:18 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks | 17:18 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Do you have time to finalise bug 1076975? The im-config MP needs to be merged, and there is a tiny additional l-s MP. | 17:19 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1076975 in im-config (Ubuntu) "Please port input method function to use im-config" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076975 | 17:19 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, let me check that | 17:19 |
| Laney | GunnarHj: you bumped im-config to 0.19ubuntu1 but that doesn't exist | 17:23 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: It will soon, if seb128 merge it. ;-) | 17:24 |
| Laney | In any event you should add a ~ to the end, so that backports satisfy the dep | 17:25 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: Do you mean possible backports of im-config 0.19ubuntu1? | 17:27 |
| Laney | right | 17:27 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: Ok. seb128 ^ | 17:28 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, the quilt changes are wrong, I'm fixing and uploading | 17:28 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, the source is format v3 so it handles quilt without need to build-depends on it or use --with quilt | 17:29 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Ok. Did you see Laney's comment on the bump in l-s? | 17:30 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, yes, I'm starting with im-config | 17:30 |
| seb128 | will get to l-s in a minute ;-) | 17:30 |
| Laney | just push another rev to the branch, should be fine | 17:30 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Ok. | 17:30 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, I'm not sure the postinst change is right... | 17:31 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: In that case you question the whole postinst code, not just the change, right? | 17:32 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, I'm failing to understand why it's there for | 17:32 |
| seb128 | it deletes a file shipped by the package in the configure) case | 17:32 |
| seb128 | that seems it would be about right if the package stopped shipping that file, but what's the point to ship something to delete it in the postinst? | 17:33 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: It's there for the same purpose as my previous postinst file in l-s, i.e. to remove 80im-switch. | 17:33 |
| seb128 | well, you want to remove it when im-config is uninstalled right? | 17:33 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 17:33 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, bye | 17:33 |
| didrocks | seb128: have a nice one :) | 17:33 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: No... It needs to be there for quite a while. | 17:34 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, well, if you remove it in the postinst it's not going to be there even if the package is installed... | 17:34 |
| micahg | Laney: welcome back, would you mind verifying your webkit SRU at some point this week? I think I might end up needing to SRU 1.10.1 after all | 17:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you understand the im-config's postinst and what it's trying to do? | 17:35 |
| Laney | seb128: no I haven't looked, just the diff | 17:35 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: It's two different packages. 80im-switch is a left-over from im-switch | 17:35 |
| seb128 | shrug | 17:35 |
| Laney | I thought that packages weren't allowed to monkey with conffiles of other packages | 17:35 |
| Laney | what's the problem with it? | 17:35 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, Laney: sorry I got confused between im-config and switch | 17:35 |
| seb128 | that looks wrong to rm the conffile from another package | 17:36 |
| Laney | micahg: I was hop | 17:36 |
| Laney | ing ogra would look at it | 17:36 |
| Laney | but I will if he doesn't | 17:36 |
| Laney | brb | 17:36 |
| micahg | thanks | 17:36 |
| seb128 | but well it's not really a conffile and Debian is doing it so I think I will wave my hands and merge the md5 addition | 17:36 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Yeah, that's what you said about my proposed postinst file too. | 17:36 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Great. Think it has to be done that way. | 17:37 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, it's the wrong way to do it but I don't care enough to change it ;-) | 17:38 |
| seb128 | im-switch should clean its conffile when being uninstalled | 17:39 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: That wouldn't have been easy to fix; see my comment on the bug. | 17:39 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I don't think it's a co-incidence that Osamu did it that way. He even defended it in a Debian bug. | 17:41 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, ok, I see, thanks for the details | 17:42 |
| Laney | micahg: I'm uploading .2 to raring probably tomorrow morning FYI | 17:44 |
| Laney | it has some CVE fixes too, didn't check if we are affected | 17:44 |
| micahg | Laney: oh, it was released, that's even better :) | 17:44 |
| Laney | then we can revert make \o/ | 17:45 |
| micahg | Laney: thanks, that'll save me the trouble, so, if someone can get the quantal SRU verified in the next 24 hours, I"ll include it in the security update for quantal | 17:45 |
| micahg | otherwise, I'll have to revert it | 17:45 |
| Laney | mmm | 17:45 |
| micahg | Laney: ogra_ : any chance of the webkit SRU being verified tonight, I'd like to get it uploaded later today (my time) so I can get it into -proposed tomorrow | 18:20 |
| Sweetshark | lol: https://lists.launchpad.net/libreoffice/msg00020.html | 18:29 |
| Sweetshark | launchpad managed to get access to a port 25 somewhere, take cover! | 18:30 |
| xnox | micahg: do you have a bug number? | 18:30 |
| Laney | micahg: not really tonight | 18:40 |
| Laney | I'm in the middle of getting ready to go out to a Christmas meal | 18:40 |
| Laney | not that my suit is anywhere to be found | 18:42 |
| Laney | xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1066046 | 18:42 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1066046 in pvr-omap4 (Ubuntu Quantal) "pvr driver crashes when ubiquity-slideshow starts" [High,Confirmed] | 18:42 |
| Laney | I posted the test case in the description there | 18:42 |
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| GunnarHj | seb128: You surprised me by saying that quilt isn't needed in im-config, but I saw that you left it there, after all. | 19:18 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Thanks for helping with those somewhat tricky uploads! | 19:19 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, yeah, sorry about that, I'm used to source version 3 (quilt), that one was (native) which doesn't behave the same way | 19:29 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Right, that's what I thought. | 19:30 |
| Sweetshark | yeeha, now that the baseline is set and the ccache is primed (and I disabled xz-compression for packages), buildtime for the libreoffice package is down to 49 minutes again. | 19:41 |
| Sweetshark | (on the trusty old notebook) | 19:42 |
| chrisccoulson | well, some vacation this is turning out to be! | 20:01 |
| bryce | chrisccoulson? | 20:18 |
| chrisccoulson | bryce, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/125257657/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.firefox-trunk_20.0~a1~hg20121208r115330-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 20:19 |
| chrisccoulson | and i'm ill ;) | 20:19 |
| chrisccoulson | i think i should just accept that i can never do vacation ;) | 20:19 |
| bryce | chrisccoulson, aw I hate it when that happens | 20:19 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, on the first day too :( | 20:20 |
| bryce | chrisccoulson, I have vacation coming up in a couple days, so pardon if I scoot away from you a bit... ;-) | 20:21 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, no worries ;) | 20:21 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: if it's any conciliation, 20 is the last Firefox release for lucid :) | 20:26 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: can I add libreoffice to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RequiredTests#run_upstream_test_suite_against_system_installed_packages ? I would give a helping had there too ... | 20:46 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: bien sûr! | 20:48 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: want to hack on that on Thursday? | 20:48 |
| * pitti back in 12 mins for TB meeting | 20:48 | |
| Sweetshark | pitti: well, I already hacked a bit for that, e.g. at https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/+sourcepub/2803189/+listing-archive-extra | 20:50 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: there is already a libreoffice-subsequentcheckbase package which contains lots of the testing code. I was thinking maybe I could write a blogpost outlining how to use that and hoped for some volunteer to finish it off, sparing me to dig into the details of the auto-pkg-test boilerplate and redtape. ;) | 20:54 |
| micahg | xnox: any chance you feel like verifying the webkit SRU? | 20:57 |
| xnox | micahg: i am installing quantal. it is taking time. | 21:01 |
| xnox | micahg: you will have it verified in ~40minutes | 21:02 |
| micahg | xnox: ah, ok, sorry, must have missed what you said before | 21:02 |
| micahg | xnox: oh, doesn't have to be that fast, next few hours would be great though, thanks | 21:02 |
| xnox | micahg: well I did mention on #release that i will be popping out. Now I am back =) | 21:02 |
| xnox | and doing it | 21:02 |
| xnox | micahg: is the new webkit built yet? | 21:03 |
| micahg | xnox: which new one> | 21:03 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi :), do you know if there are harfbuzz packages? | 21:03 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey, not that I know | 21:04 |
| xnox | micahg: do you just want webkit out the door in general, or do you have a new round of sru/security for webkit out of the door soonish? | 21:04 |
| micahg | ricotz: I just saw an upload to experimental | 21:04 |
| ricotz | seb128, hmm, i see, if there is still the plan to get gtk+3.0 update then it needs pango 1.32.4 from now on :\ | 21:04 |
| micahg | xnox: I want the SRU verified so I can build a security update that'll go to proposed sometime tomrrow | 21:04 |
| ricotz | micahg, oh, that would be nice | 21:04 |
| xnox | micahg: i see. | 21:05 |
| seb128 | ricotz, no plan to get the gtk update | 21:05 |
| ricotz | seb128, yeah, i meant "option" as maybe glib | 21:06 |
| ricotz | micahg, ah found it :) | 21:06 |
| seb128 | ricotz, you are welcome to package harfbuzz if you are interested in the gtk update ;-) | 21:08 |
| seb128 | ricotz, we will update, if not this cycle next one | 21:09 |
| ricotz | seb128, there is a harfbuzz package in debian incoming :) | 21:09 |
| seb128 | cool | 21:09 |
| seb128 | it might get out of there if debian releases one day | 21:09 |
| ricotz | seb128, this could/should be synced to raring | 21:10 |
| seb128 | ricotz, thanks | 21:11 |
| jbicha | micahg: do you think we'll build webkit2 for raring? | 21:51 |
| micahg | jbicha: doubtful, unless we need it for something | 21:51 |
| xnox | micahg: verfied. Now only the publishing is required =) | 21:58 |
| micahg | xnox: thanks, I just needed it verified, so I can move forward with my own uploads (it'll be ~15-20 hrs before I can copy to proposed anyways) | 21:58 |
| micahg | jbicha: do you have a specific need for the webkit 2 packages? | 22:05 |
| micahg | FWIW, they're not enabled in debian/experimental either | 22:06 |
| jbicha | micahg: no, not for GNOME 3.6, supposedly webkit2 will be usable in Epiphany 3.8 | 22:07 |
| === Zdra is now known as xclaesse | ||
| Sweetshark | Shall we play a game? | 22:30 |
| Sweetshark | I propose the game "Who has the biggest stripped shared object in one of his/her packages?" | 22:30 |
| * micahg bets on qengho | 22:30 | |
| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | ||
| qengho | Hah. | 22:30 |
| * qengho always has a bigger one. | 22:31 | |
| Sweetshark | qengho: how big? | 22:34 |
| Sweetshark | (stripped amd64 lib) | 22:35 |
| mlankhorst | Sweetshark: chromium? :P | 22:35 |
| micahg | >70MB | 22:36 |
| * micahg guesses Firefox would come in second | 22:37 | |
| micahg | actually, Thunderbird...then Firefox | 22:38 |
| === Zdra is now known as xclaesse | ||
| Sweetshark | ls -lh debian/libreoffice-core/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libmergedlo.so | 22:40 |
| Sweetshark | -rw-r--r-- 1 bjoern users 49M Dec 10 20:27 debian/libreoffice-core/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libmergedlo.so | 22:40 |
| Sweetshark | unstripped | 22:41 |
| Sweetshark | ls -lh solver/unxlngx6.pro/lib/libmergedlo.so | 22:41 |
| Sweetshark | -rwxr-xr-x 2 bjoern users 664M Dec 10 19:56 solver/unxlngx6.pro/lib/libmergedlo.so | 22:41 |
| micahg | ok, that's #2 for the moment then :) | 22:42 |
| mlankhorst | Sweetshark: that's not how you pick up someone from the gender of your choice! | 22:42 |
| * micahg is curious if there's anything between that and Chromium or larger... | 22:42 | |
| mlankhorst | well chromium's static libs are massive | 22:42 |
| Sweetshark | mlankhorst: I know. from experience. | 22:43 |
| Sweetshark | micahg: and the next 4 runner-ups in libreoffice are also all over 100MB unstripped. | 22:45 |
| micahg | stable Firefox is 36MB stripped and Thunderbird is 38MB, not sure about unstripped, but I think >200M | 22:45 |
| Sweetshark | micahg: Merging them in would make LibreOffice even more monolithic tough. | 22:46 |
| mlankhorst | you can do shared chromium builds.. | 22:46 |
| micahg | mlankhorst: not in a stable release reliably :) | 22:47 |
| micahg | or without great effort | 22:47 |
| micahg | and we still use quite a few distro components... | 22:47 |
| Sweetshark | 254M libsclo.so (Calc), 247M libswlo.so (Writer), 119M libsdlo.so (Draw), 107M libooxlo.so (MS Office 2007 import) | 22:48 |
| mlankhorst | but looks like that's less in size, still | 22:48 |
| Sweetshark | hmmm, one could for example merge all the writer libraries too -- that would make one ~418MB unstripped so. but thats not worth it, I guess. You dont _want_ to load e.g. wordperfect filters everytime you use writer. the separation between libswlo.so and libswuilo.so is pretty useless though. | 23:11 |
| === jasoncwarner_ is now known as jasoncwarner | ||
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