[00:05] <jasoncwarner> TheMuso: acked
[05:25] <pitti> Bonjour
[05:55] <BigWhale> Good Morning ...
[06:46] <didrocks> good morning
[07:04] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, comment vas-tu?
[07:05] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien, mes muscles sont complètement endoloris après 3 jours où j'ai beaucoup marché pour la fête des lumières
[07:05] <pitti> hehe -- tu as marché dans la neige?
[07:05] <didrocks> il a neigé un peu, mais pas assez pour que ça tienne sur les couloirs :)
[07:07] <didrocks> et toi, tu as fais quoi pour le week-end?
[07:08] <pitti> didrocks: we went to the Christmas fair in Munich on Friday on my way back from the airport, that was very nice
[07:08] <didrocks> oh good ;)
[07:08] <pitti> weekend was rather quiet, we played badminton again + sauna, some house cleaning, etc.
[07:08] <pitti> it'll be our last "free" weekend for some time
[07:09] <didrocks> ah? busy ones ahead? :)
[07:09] <pitti> ma femme va aller à Suéde pour une semaine
[07:09] <didrocks> oh? conférence?
[07:09] <pitti> non, vacances
[07:10] <pitti> and after she returns, we'll go to Dresden for Christmas/new year and seeing lots of family and friends
[07:10]  * jalcine loves how the convo went from French to English and he still (slightly) understands
[07:10] <didrocks> excellent :)
[07:10] <didrocks> (this is both French and English ^) :)
[07:10] <pitti> jalcine: mon français est très mal, j'ai apprendre un peut français seullement
[07:11] <pitti> je parle franglemand!
[07:11]  * jalcine can't reply in French sadly
[07:11] <didrocks> :)
[07:11] <jalcine> haha!
[07:11] <jalcine> :D
[07:11] <pitti> (I am German, and learn French with an English program)
[07:11] <jalcine> It looks good to me, but I speak Haitian Creole largely
[07:11] <jalcine> French looks very similar and I understand it like 70% of the time
[07:14] <pitti> jalcine: wow, how did a Latin based language make it all the way to Haiti?
[07:14] <pitti> through colonization, I guess, hardly a "native" one?
[07:14] <jalcine> Well, I live in New York now lol
[07:14] <jalcine> and Creole is based heavily on French so yeah, colonization was a big factor
[07:27] <jibel> good morning
[07:32] <didrocks> hey jibel! bon week-end?
[07:33] <jibel> salut didrocks, we calme. Ma fille ainée n'était pas très bien, on n'a donc pas fait grand-chose
[07:33] <jibel> didrocks, et toi ?
[07:34] <didrocks> jibel: tout cassé! muscles endoloris car on a beaucoup marché les 3 soirs de la fête des lumières
[09:05] <Laney> hey
[09:11] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:12] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:12] <Laney> considering how it feels to be back from holiday ;-)
[09:13] <Laney> how's it going pitti?
[09:13] <pitti> Laney: oh, where were you?
[09:13] <Laney> Lake District
[09:13] <pitti> Laney: quite fine! we had a great error db sprint last week in the office
[09:13] <Laney> I posted some pics on G+
[09:13] <Laney> oh yeah, I remember hearing about that! Did it achieve good results?
[09:15] <pitti> yes, it did indeed; ev will write a summary about it soon
[09:16] <Laney> great
[09:44] <bdrung> does ubuntu-archive have an IRC channel?
[09:45] <Laney> no, use -release
[09:45] <bdrung> k, thx
[10:08] <seb128> Laney, pitti, desktopers: hey, how are you?
[10:09] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[10:09] <pitti> I'm great, thanks!
[10:09] <seb128> pitti, how was your trip back? no snow issue?
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: just 40 mins delay, no biggie
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: my wife met me in Munich main station, and we went to the Christmas fair, they have a nice one in Munich
[10:10] <seb128> pitti, nice!
[10:11] <Laney> yeah, getting back into it ;-)
[11:34] <didrocks> ok, the daily .po* file generation in the webapp stack that I was blocking manually from now for daily landing is automatically ignored now :)
[12:04] <Sweetshark> seb128: _rene_ reported multiple problems with his new packages, so I wont prepare a upload for raring just yet, but do a release on the prereleases-ppa.
[12:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: I still hope to have a upload by the end of the week, as that would allow a default raring install to take part in http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/12/08/the-libreoffice-community-organises-a-6-day-test-marathon-to-help-preparing-the-new-4-0-version-of-libreoffice/
[12:32] <Sweetshark> seb128: also on the MIRs for reportbuilder have met resistance on bug 1034560. Esp. the additional deps would open a can of worms. I will consider building LO with internal jfreereport as that removes a lot of the deps. does that sound sane?
[12:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1034560 in libfonts-java (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libloader-java, libformula-java, librepository-java, libfonts-java, libserializer-java " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034560
[12:55] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok for end of week
[12:55] <seb128> Sweetshark, building with the copy ... seems fine to me, not ideal but better than the alternatuve
[12:56] <Sweetshark> seb128: k, I will give it a try an see if it pops up other surprises..
[13:15] <didrocks> seb128: any objection to merge ubuntu-artwork into ubuntu-settings? (at least for the gsettings overrides)
[13:15]  * mpt wonders what PolicyKit authentication looks like for someone who has no password
[13:16] <didrocks> I don't know about the distributor logo, we can maybe move it to ubuntu-wallpapers providing its ubuntu-artwork binary package
[13:19] <BigWhale> Greetings... so, is there any decent way to deal with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-distutils-extra/+bug/692142
[13:19] <BigWhale> ?
[13:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 692142 in python-distutils-extra "build_icons only installs icons to share/icons/hicolor" [Undecided,New]
[13:30] <seb128> didrocks, no objection
[13:30] <didrocks> thanks seb128 :) I'll move that then, yeah for cleaning \o/
[13:31] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-)
[13:31] <didrocks> yw!
[14:17] <Laney> oh cool beans, new webkit doesn't need hax to make any more
[14:19] <seb128> Laney, the debian guys fixed it ;-)
[14:20] <Laney> too kind of them :P
[14:41] <Laney> hum, my compose key stopped working
[14:42] <Laney> means i can't type my gpg passphrase
[14:43] <seb128> Laney, use gucharmap and copy the char? ;-)
[14:46] <Laney> bah!
[14:48] <soren_> Laney: Use unicode input?
[14:48] <seb128> or fix compose... ;-)
[14:48] <Laney> don't have that either
[14:48] <soren_> Laney: How do you not have unicode input?
[14:49] <seb128> Laney, ctrl-shift-u
[14:49] <Laney> yeah, it does nothing
[14:49] <seb128> hum, it should display a u with underscore and let you type your numbe
[14:49] <seb128> r
[14:49] <seb128> Laney, right click, input method ... which one is selected?
[14:50] <Laney> it works on this here quantal machine: ô
[14:50] <seb128> Laney, select "simple"?
[14:50] <Laney> System (X Input Method)
[14:50] <Laney> yeah simple works
[14:50] <Laney> GTK_IM_MODULE is set to xim, guess that is the same thing
[14:50] <Laney> where does that come from?
[14:51] <seb128> Laney, could be the im-switch to im-config change
[14:51] <seb128> Laney, try asking GunnarHj
[14:52] <seb128> Laney, one issue is that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80im-switch should be cleared and is not, not sure if that can create your issue
[14:53]  * Laney nods
[14:53] <Laney> let me try purging im-switch
[14:54] <Laney> sadly not
[14:55] <Laney> ah, ibus, it'll be that
[15:01] <Laney> nope - it is im-config
[15:04] <cyphermox> seb128:  Laney: that change got reverted friday
[15:04] <cyphermox> im-switch vs. im-config
[15:04] <Laney> it got put back
[15:04] <cyphermox> oh ok ;)
[15:04] <Laney> I think I must have had a stray .xinputrc
[15:06] <Laney> but I would have overwritten it by running im-config so can't know for sure :(
[15:06] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, what Laney said, infinity found the old approved MIR from oneiric time
[15:06] <cyphermox> sure, sorry
[15:06] <cyphermox> hey ;) how are you?
[15:06] <seb128> good, how are you?
[15:46] <blami> hi, is the System Settings panel monolithic or it has some plugin architecture so other installed packages can drop its own settings there?
[15:52] <mpt> blami, the former
[15:54] <blami> mpt: is that intentional or just same as upstream?
[15:55] <mpt> blami, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00096.html
[15:57] <blami> mpt: ... :( I think it is a good idea to have it modular. It simplifies users life a lot when all various settings can be found in single place
[15:57] <mpt> blami, there are external packages that provide panels, but afaik, g-c-c needs to know about them. One of those is activity-log-manager, which provides the "Privacy" panel.
[15:57] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/activity-log-manager
[15:57] <Laney> We revert that change
[15:58] <mpt> blami, jbicha is probably a good person to ask about this. :-) What I'm telling you may be out of date.
[16:01] <Laney> grep Settings-Panel /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[16:03] <blami> Laney: awesome, thanks
[16:04] <blami> Laney: so just putting similar line as those have will make application launcher appear in settings panel?
[16:05] <Laney> Should do - copy the ubuntuone-installer.desktop and mess around with it to test
[16:06] <blami> Laney: thanks
[16:06] <Laney> np
[16:07] <kenvandine> Laney, can you look at bug 1087669
[16:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1087669 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Audio Call fails due to linking both gstreamer 0.10 and 1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1087669
[16:07] <kenvandine> sounds like it is from the gst-1.0 transition
[16:07] <kenvandine> so probably will get fixed as you finish that up
[16:07] <Laney> kenvandine: that's likely; IIRC empathy is held back due to farstream
[16:08] <Laney> which is the part that's waiting for Kubuntu
[16:08] <kenvandine> ok, thx
[16:09] <Laney> people can use the PPA in the meantime
[16:15]  * Laney replied
[16:18] <desrt> attente: update?
[16:19] <kenvandine> Laney, thx
[16:19] <Laney> no problemo
[16:19] <desrt> attente: i've noticed that you're doing some scary-looking stuff with references
[16:19] <attente> desrt: trying to figure out the xprop/GtkApplication problem
[16:20] <desrt> ah.  nice.
[16:21] <attente> not that i'm closed to advice...
[16:23] <attente> desrt: what's the problem with the references?
[16:23] <desrt> attente: i think you can probably safely assume that either a menubar exists as a GMenuModel or as a GtkMenu
[16:23] <desrt> not both
[16:23] <desrt> so if you see that the X property for the menubar is already set to something, just disable your code for that window?
[16:23] <desrt> the question of which actiongroup to use is a bit more interesting, of course
[16:24] <attente> so basically don't do anything if it's already done?
[16:24] <desrt> you could just use the GActionMap interface on the GtkApplicationWindow to add to the existing actiongroup
[16:24] <desrt> and not worry about publishing your own
[16:26] <attente> um. why do i need to use the existing actiongroup if they're already using GMenuModel?
[16:27] <desrt> so first thing first: all GtkApplicationWindow instances are action groups
[16:27] <desrt> and you should never override them
[16:27] <desrt> ie: rule #1: if you have a GtkApplicationWindow then do not publish your own actions
[16:28] <attente> ok
[16:29] <desrt> the reason there is because lots of things can hit those actions
[16:29] <attente> but when would i ever need to publish actions without menus?
[16:29] <desrt> the most obvious example is an app menu
[16:29] <desrt> there are a few apps out there that are using GMenuModel for the app menu but still GtkMenu for menubars
[16:30] <desrt> and of course the app menu may hit actions on the window...
[16:30] <desrt> so you need to add to the group rather than replacing it outright
[16:34] <attente> hmm
[16:34] <mdeslaur> wow, is nautilus in raring ever confusing
[16:34] <mdeslaur> what's with the arbitrary split of what's in the menu vs. what's in the gear button
[16:37] <seb128> mdeslaur, welcome to gnome-shell design, the most common actions are supposed to be in the menu, the less common ones in the gear menu
[16:37] <seb128> mdeslaur, we have a workitem to restore traditional menus for nautilus this cycle for unity
[16:38] <mdeslaur> seb128: oh, thank $DEITY
[16:38] <desrt> seb128: not quite right
[16:38] <desrt> app menu gets 'global' actions
[16:38] <desrt> gear menu gets actions affecting that one window
[16:39] <mdeslaur> desrt: how is a user supposed to know what that means?
[16:39] <desrt> mdeslaur: it's a pretty natural idea...
[16:39] <mdeslaur> desrt: i disagree
[16:39] <seb128> desrt, the difference is not that obvious
[16:39] <desrt> do i want to do something with nautilus in general or with the directory that i'm currently viewing?
[16:39] <seb128> desrt, like "enter location" which opens an url bar in the win is in the shell menu
[16:40] <desrt> ya... that's a bit failish
[16:40] <desrt> i'd expect a dialog to pop up for that
[16:40] <mdeslaur> desrt: how do I know that creating a folder in my home directory isn't in general? that doesn't really apply to a single window, etc.
[16:40] <mdeslaur> it's pretty confusing if you ask me
[16:40] <desrt> mdeslaur: it applies to the current location
[16:40] <desrt> seb's example is an annoying one, though
[16:40] <seb128> "new tab" vs "enter location"
[16:41] <seb128> they are both similar actions and yet at different places
[16:41] <mdeslaur> desrt: I don't think regular users are able to understand that concept. I'm sorry.
[16:41] <mdeslaur> sounds like something that only makes sense to someone technical
[16:42] <seb128> desrt, it's a bit buggy, like "undo" is in the by-win menu but it undo actions from any context
[16:42] <desrt> there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything here
[16:42] <seb128> desrt, so the undo list is for the app but yet it's not in the shell menu...
[16:42] <desrt> http://imgur.com/0ymHm
[16:42] <larsu> desrt, hi, aren't you supposed to be on vacation?
[16:42] <mdeslaur> well, having a reasonable explanation doesn't mean it's usable.
[16:43] <mdeslaur> I believe some user testing of this concept is in order
[16:43] <desrt> larsu: didn't get it cleared :(
[16:43] <larsu> mdeslaur, what makes you believe that there wasn't any user testing?
[16:43] <larsu> desrt, ugh, sorry
[16:44] <mdeslaur> larsu: because even I can't grasp the concept, or make an informed decision on where stuff should be...but if it's been user tested with Ubuntu's target audience, then I guess it's ok
[16:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, I doubt it got any "Ubuntu's target audience" testing and as said we decided to keep using normal menus for Ubuntu
[16:47] <mdeslaur> ok
[16:49] <desrt> okay.  i'm officially on vacation now :p
[16:49] <desrt> somehow i didn't get the memo...
[16:50] <larsu> mdeslaur, right. I don't know whether it's been tested or not, I just dislike these general stabs towards gnome -- as if they aren't thinking about what they are doing
[16:50] <larsu> mdeslaur, I very much agree with you on nautilus' menus, though :)
[16:50] <larsu> desrt, awesome, enjoy!
[16:50] <Laney> mterry: thanks for fixing the music lens landing
[16:51] <Laney> I'm actually back now but somehow thought it got done :P
[16:54] <Laney> that awkward moment where you stare at a watch file for 5 minutes before seeing that you wrote 'downloads' instead of 'releases'
[17:03] <mterry> Laney, oh ok
[17:03] <mterry> Laney, :)
[17:03] <Laney> so you shouldn't bother with changelogs for these things?
[17:04] <Laney> debian changelogs
[17:13] <Sweetshark> libreoffice-4.0~beta1 for raring uploaded for testbuilding btw.
[17:17] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien!
[17:17] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, how are you?
[17:18] <seb128> Sweetshark, great, let me know how the testing goes
[17:18] <GunnarHj> seb128: Fine, hope you are as well.
[17:18] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[17:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: Do you have time to finalise bug 1076975? The im-config MP needs to be merged, and there is a tiny additional l-s MP.
[17:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1076975 in im-config (Ubuntu) "Please port input method function to use im-config" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076975
[17:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, let me check that
[17:23] <Laney> GunnarHj: you bumped im-config to 0.19ubuntu1 but that doesn't exist
[17:24] <GunnarHj> Laney: It will soon, if seb128 merge it. ;-)
[17:25] <Laney> In any event you should add a ~ to the end, so that backports satisfy the dep
[17:27] <GunnarHj> Laney: Do you mean possible backports of im-config 0.19ubuntu1?
[17:27] <Laney> right
[17:28] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok. seb128 ^
[17:28] <seb128> GunnarHj, the quilt changes are wrong, I'm fixing and uploading
[17:29] <seb128> GunnarHj, the source is format v3 so it handles quilt without need to build-depends on it or use --with quilt
[17:30] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Did you see Laney's comment on the bump in l-s?
[17:30] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, I'm starting with im-config
[17:30] <seb128> will get to l-s in a minute ;-)
[17:30] <Laney> just push another rev to the branch, should be fine
[17:30] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[17:31] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm not sure the postinst change is right...
[17:32] <GunnarHj> seb128: In that case you question the whole postinst code, not just the change, right?
[17:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, I'm failing to understand why it's there for
[17:32] <seb128> it deletes a file shipped by the package in the configure) case
[17:33] <seb128> that seems it would be about right if the package stopped shipping that file, but what's the point to ship something to delete it in the postinst?
[17:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: It's there for the same purpose as my previous postinst file in l-s, i.e. to remove 80im-switch.
[17:33] <seb128> well, you want to remove it when im-config is uninstalled right?
[17:33]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:33] <seb128> didrocks, bye
[17:33] <didrocks> seb128: have a nice one :)
[17:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: No... It needs to be there for quite a while.
[17:34] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, if you remove it in the postinst it's not going to be there even if the package is installed...
[17:34] <micahg> Laney: welcome back, would you mind verifying your webkit SRU at some point this week?  I think I might end up needing to SRU 1.10.1 after all
[17:35] <seb128> Laney, do you understand the im-config's postinst and what it's trying to do?
[17:35] <Laney> seb128: no I haven't looked, just the diff
[17:35] <GunnarHj> seb128: It's two different packages. 80im-switch is a left-over from im-switch
[17:35] <seb128> shrug
[17:35] <Laney> I thought that packages weren't allowed to monkey with conffiles of other packages
[17:35] <Laney> what's the problem with it?
[17:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, Laney: sorry I got confused between im-config and switch
[17:36] <seb128> that looks wrong to rm the conffile from another package
[17:36] <Laney> micahg: I was hop
[17:36] <Laney> ing ogra would look at it
[17:36] <Laney> but I will if he doesn't
[17:36] <Laney> brb
[17:36] <micahg> thanks
[17:36] <seb128> but well it's not really a conffile and Debian is doing it so I think I will wave my hands and merge the md5 addition
[17:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah, that's what you said about my proposed postinst file too.
[17:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great. Think it has to be done that way.
[17:38] <seb128> GunnarHj, it's the wrong way to do it but I don't care enough to change it ;-)
[17:39] <seb128> im-switch should clean its conffile when being uninstalled
[17:39] <GunnarHj> seb128: That wouldn't have been easy to fix; see my comment on the bug.
[17:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: I don't think it's a co-incidence that Osamu did it that way. He even defended it in a Debian bug.
[17:42] <seb128> GunnarHj, ok, I see, thanks for the details
[17:44] <Laney> micahg: I'm uploading .2 to raring probably tomorrow morning FYI
[17:44] <Laney> it has some CVE fixes too, didn't check if we are affected
[17:44] <micahg> Laney: oh, it was released, that's even better :)
[17:45] <Laney> then we can revert make \o/
[17:45] <micahg> Laney: thanks, that'll save me the trouble, so, if someone can get the quantal SRU verified in the next 24 hours, I"ll include it in the security update for quantal
[17:45] <micahg> otherwise, I'll have to revert it
[17:45] <Laney> mmm
[18:20] <micahg> Laney: ogra_ : any chance of the webkit SRU being verified tonight, I'd like to get it uploaded later today (my time) so I can get it into -proposed tomorrow
[18:29] <Sweetshark> lol: https://lists.launchpad.net/libreoffice/msg00020.html
[18:30] <Sweetshark> launchpad managed to get access to a port 25 somewhere, take cover!
[18:30] <xnox> micahg: do you have a bug number?
[18:40] <Laney> micahg: not really tonight
[18:40] <Laney> I'm in the middle of getting ready to go out to a Christmas meal
[18:42] <Laney> not that my suit is anywhere to be found
[18:42] <Laney> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1066046
[18:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1066046 in pvr-omap4 (Ubuntu Quantal) "pvr driver crashes when ubiquity-slideshow starts" [High,Confirmed]
[18:42] <Laney> I posted the test case in the description there
[18:48]  * Laney wonders how one can lose an entire suit
[19:18] <GunnarHj> seb128: You surprised me by saying that quilt isn't needed in im-config, but I saw that you left it there, after all.
[19:19] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for helping with those somewhat tricky uploads!
[19:29] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, sorry about that, I'm used to source version 3 (quilt), that one was (native) which doesn't behave the same way
[19:30] <GunnarHj> seb128: Right, that's what I thought.
[19:41] <Sweetshark> yeeha, now that the baseline is set and the ccache is primed (and I disabled xz-compression for packages), buildtime for the libreoffice package is down to 49 minutes again.
[19:42] <Sweetshark> (on the trusty old notebook)
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> well, some vacation this is turning out to be!
[20:18] <bryce> chrisccoulson?
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> bryce, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/125257657/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.firefox-trunk_20.0~a1~hg20121208r115330-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> and i'm ill ;)
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> i think i should just accept that i can never do vacation ;)
[20:19] <bryce> chrisccoulson, aw I hate it when that happens
[20:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah, on the first day too :(
[20:21] <bryce> chrisccoulson, I have vacation coming up in a couple days, so pardon if I scoot away from you a bit...  ;-)
[20:21] <chrisccoulson> heh, no worries ;)
[20:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if it's any conciliation, 20 is the last Firefox release for lucid :)
[20:46] <Sweetshark> pitti: can I add libreoffice to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RequiredTests#run_upstream_test_suite_against_system_installed_packages ? I would give a helping had there too ...
[20:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: bien sûr!
[20:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: want to hack on that on Thursday?
[20:48]  * pitti back in 12 mins for TB meeting
[20:50] <Sweetshark> pitti: well, I already hacked a bit for that, e.g. at https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/+sourcepub/2803189/+listing-archive-extra
[20:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: there is already a libreoffice-subsequentcheckbase package which contains lots of the testing code. I was thinking maybe I could write a blogpost outlining how to use that and hoped for some volunteer to finish it off, sparing me to dig into the details of the auto-pkg-test boilerplate and redtape. ;)
[20:57] <micahg> xnox: any chance you feel like verifying the webkit SRU?
[21:01] <xnox> micahg: i am installing quantal. it is taking time.
[21:02] <xnox> micahg: you will have it verified in ~40minutes
[21:02] <micahg> xnox: ah, ok, sorry, must have missed what you said before
[21:02] <micahg> xnox: oh, doesn't have to be that fast, next few hours would be great though, thanks
[21:02] <xnox> micahg: well I did mention on #release that i will be popping out. Now I am back =)
[21:02] <xnox> and doing it
[21:03] <xnox> micahg: is the new webkit built yet?
[21:03] <micahg> xnox: which new one>
[21:03] <ricotz> seb128, hi :), do you know if there are harfbuzz packages?
[21:04] <seb128> ricotz, hey, not that I know
[21:04] <xnox> micahg: do you just want webkit out the door in general, or do you have a new round of sru/security for webkit out of the door soonish?
[21:04] <micahg> ricotz: I just saw an upload to experimental
[21:04] <ricotz> seb128, hmm, i see, if there is still the plan to get gtk+3.0 update then it needs pango 1.32.4 from now on :\
[21:04] <micahg> xnox: I want the SRU verified so I can build a security update that'll go to proposed sometime tomrrow
[21:04] <ricotz> micahg, oh, that would be nice
[21:05] <xnox> micahg: i see.
[21:05] <seb128> ricotz, no plan to get the gtk update
[21:06] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, i meant "option" as maybe glib
[21:06] <ricotz> micahg, ah found it :)
[21:08] <seb128> ricotz, you are welcome to package harfbuzz if you are interested in the gtk update ;-)
[21:09] <seb128> ricotz, we will update, if not this cycle next one
[21:09] <ricotz> seb128, there is a harfbuzz package in debian incoming :)
[21:09] <seb128> cool
[21:09] <seb128> it might get out of there if debian releases one day
[21:10] <ricotz> seb128, this could/should be synced to raring
[21:11] <seb128> ricotz, thanks
[21:51] <jbicha> micahg: do you think we'll build webkit2 for raring?
[21:51] <micahg> jbicha: doubtful, unless we need it for something
[21:58] <xnox> micahg: verfied. Now only the publishing is required =)
[21:58] <micahg> xnox: thanks, I just needed it verified, so I can move forward with my own uploads (it'll be ~15-20 hrs before I can copy to proposed anyways)
[22:05] <micahg> jbicha: do you have a specific need for the webkit 2 packages?
[22:06] <micahg> FWIW, they're not enabled in debian/experimental either
[22:07] <jbicha> micahg: no, not for GNOME 3.6, supposedly webkit2 will be usable in Epiphany 3.8
[22:30] <Sweetshark> Shall we play a game?
[22:30] <Sweetshark> I propose the game "Who has the biggest stripped shared object in one of his/her packages?"
[22:30]  * micahg bets on qengho
[22:30] <qengho> Hah.
[22:31]  * qengho always has a bigger one.
[22:34] <Sweetshark> qengho: how big?
[22:35] <Sweetshark> (stripped amd64 lib)
[22:35] <mlankhorst> Sweetshark: chromium? :P
[22:36] <micahg> >70MB
[22:37]  * micahg guesses Firefox would come in second
[22:38] <micahg> actually, Thunderbird...then Firefox
[22:40] <Sweetshark> ls -lh debian/libreoffice-core/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libmergedlo.so
[22:40] <Sweetshark> -rw-r--r-- 1 bjoern users 49M Dec 10 20:27 debian/libreoffice-core/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libmergedlo.so
[22:41] <Sweetshark> unstripped
[22:41] <Sweetshark> ls -lh solver/unxlngx6.pro/lib/libmergedlo.so
[22:41] <Sweetshark> -rwxr-xr-x 2 bjoern users 664M Dec 10 19:56 solver/unxlngx6.pro/lib/libmergedlo.so
[22:42] <micahg> ok, that's #2 for the moment then :)
[22:42] <mlankhorst> Sweetshark: that's not how you pick up someone from the gender of your choice!
[22:42]  * micahg is curious if there's anything between that and Chromium or larger...
[22:42] <mlankhorst> well chromium's static libs are massive
[22:43] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: I know. from experience.
[22:45] <Sweetshark> micahg: and the next 4 runner-ups in libreoffice are also all over 100MB unstripped.
[22:45] <micahg> stable Firefox is 36MB stripped and Thunderbird is 38MB, not sure about unstripped, but I think >200M
[22:46] <Sweetshark> micahg: Merging them in would make LibreOffice even more monolithic tough.
[22:46] <mlankhorst> you can do shared chromium builds..
[22:47] <micahg> mlankhorst: not in a stable release reliably :)
[22:47] <micahg> or without great effort
[22:47] <micahg> and we still use quite a few distro components...
[22:48] <Sweetshark> 254M libsclo.so (Calc), 247M libswlo.so (Writer), 119M libsdlo.so (Draw), 107M libooxlo.so (MS Office 2007 import)
[22:48] <mlankhorst> but looks like that's less in size, still
[23:11] <Sweetshark> hmmm, one could for example merge all the writer libraries too -- that would make one ~418MB unstripped so. but thats not worth it, I guess. You dont _want_ to load e.g. wordperfect filters everytime you use writer. the separation between libswlo.so  and libswuilo.so is pretty useless though.