[16:00] <CarstenG> Hi at all
[16:00] <hannie> hi CarstenG
[16:01] <CarstenG> Hi Hannie
[16:02] <CarstenG> Hannie, you wanted to contact the translation teams of the finished languages.
[16:03] <CarstenG> Did you do this already?
[16:03] <hannie> Well, I have contacted 3 persons from the Malaysian team
[16:03] <hannie> But no one replied
[16:04] <hannie> I contacted them via Launchpad
[16:04] <hannie> I have generated the whole manual (Malay), 154 pages
[16:04] <hannie> I am trying to find someone to do the screenshots
[16:05] <CarstenG> Oh, bad, that they do not reply...
[16:05] <hannie> It is not very encouraging :(
[16:05] <CarstenG> But for the screenshots, it would be the best, if the malay team will do them.
[16:06] <hannie> Yes, but then I have to find someone who wants to do the job
[16:06] <hannie> I also talked to someone from the Croatian team
[16:06] <CarstenG> Theoretical, we can do this, too. But without ḱnowing the language it is more difficult...
[16:07] <hannie> Yes, I even have thought about inserting the English screenshots
[16:07] <CarstenG> Well, this I would avoid...
[16:08] <hannie> I thought you would say that ;)
[16:08] <CarstenG> Then it is only half complete...
[16:08] <CarstenG> It is another thing, if some applications are not yet translated to malay.
[16:09] <CarstenG> I don't know, if the GUI is completely translated to malay?
[16:09] <hannie> I can have a look in LP
[16:13] <hannie> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+translations
[16:14] <hannie> I have sent abuyop an email about a week ago, but he does not reply
[16:14] <hannie> abuyop has done most of the translating
[16:15] <hannie> Most of the gui is translated
[16:16] <CarstenG> Maybe he is in vacation?
[16:16] <hannie> Could be. I'll send him a reminder
[16:18] <hannie> done!
[16:18] <CarstenG> Mmmh, this link is the overall statistic, or?
[16:18] <CarstenG> Which include all package descriptions, for example...
[16:19] <CarstenG> Is there a kink only for GUI elements?
[16:19] <hannie> yes, just look at Malay
[16:19] <hannie> These are only the GUI packages
[16:20] <hannie> GUI both for the OS and applications
[16:21] <CarstenG> huu, then only 82 % of the German and 60 % of the Dutch GUI is translated?
[16:21] <CarstenG> I thought, the GUI is complete. :-)
[16:22] <hannie> Oh, but we are talking about Ubuntu, not the manual :)
[16:22] <hannie> You were asking about the GUI weren't you?
[16:23] <CarstenG> Yes, I mean Ubuntu itself.
[16:23] <hannie> ok, then the link is the right one
[16:23] <CarstenG> I mean, for the screenshots we need a translated GUI
[16:24] <hannie> In VB one of us can try to install Ubuntu in Malaysian
[16:25] <hannie> But I would prefer to have someone from the Malaysian team do the job
[16:25] <CarstenG> So what I was thinking about: We have the Dutch and German screenshots complete translated, but in this link I see German 82 % and Dutch 60 %. So I thought, there are packages included which dont affect the GUI.
[16:26] <hannie> Ah, the percentage does not mean a lot.
[16:26] <hannie> The 300 most important packages are translated
[16:26] <CarstenG> Well, you don't need to install the malay Ubuntu  complete in VM.
[16:26] <hannie> So what do you suggest?
[16:27] <CarstenG> Only add the language packs to your existing installation, and create a user with the malay settin.
[16:27] <CarstenG> setting.
[16:27] <CarstenG> Then you can do screenshots in other languages.
[16:27] <hannie> You are right, just add a user and set his language to Malaysian
[16:27] <CarstenG> This is the way, I have done for some Dutch screenshots. :-)
[16:28] <hannie> I did the same with English (in my Dutch Ubuntu)
[16:29] <CarstenG> Yes, but as you wrote, the Malay team should do it themself.
[16:29] <CarstenG> Do they have a mailing list?
[16:29] <CarstenG> Then you can send you email to this list.
[16:29] <hannie> I will have a look, but I don't think so
[16:30] <hannie> This team does not use Launchpad to host a mailing list.
[16:30] <hannie> The answer is NO
[16:31] <CarstenG> mmh, ok
[16:34] <CarstenG> I will be back in some minutes.
[16:43] <cqfd93> Hi All!
[16:43] <hannie> Hi Sylvie
[16:44] <hannie> and YoBoY
[16:44] <YoBoY> hi hannie
[16:44] <YoBoY> sorry for my jumps
[16:44] <hannie> ah, those internet connections!
[16:45] <YoBoY> it's not that. I'm moving my irc proxy to another server, and I'm doing some configuration changes at the same time :p
[16:45] <hannie> cqfd93, is the French manual (Precise-e2) ready to be published now?
[16:46] <YoBoY> not yet hannie
[16:46] <hannie> ok, patience, patience
[16:46] <YoBoY> (bonjour cqfd93 :* )
[16:47] <cqfd93> Bonjour YoBoY!
[16:47] <cqfd93> Hannie: not yet, we still have to fix a big bunch pf typos, punctuation, do some rewordongs...
[16:47] <cqfd93> *rewordings
[16:47] <hannie> ay, ay, it sounds familiar. It is quite a job. Respect.
[16:48] <cqfd93> :-)
[16:48] <hannie> And we want the quality to be high, don't we
[16:48] <cqfd93> Right! We are perfectionists!
[16:50] <hannie> I am now going to try and add a user in my VB-Ubuntu-Precise with language Malay
[16:50] <cqfd93> Hannie, are you ready to publish precise-e2?
[16:50] <hannie> cqfd93, I have given Kevin the green light, but he is sooooo busy
[16:51] <cqfd93> Good for you, but not for him ;-)
[16:52] <hannie> It appears the lulu printers do not like some of the things in our pdf
[16:55] <cqfd93> Do you know what, and can you find a workaround?
[16:56] <hannie> Kevin has just bought some Adobe fancy stuff to overcome this
[16:57] <hannie> I guess we have to give him some time to find out if it works
[16:59] <hannie> hi freedomrun
[16:59] <freedomrun> hello hannie
[17:00] <cqfd93> hi freedomrun
[17:00] <hannie> How are things going?
[17:00] <freedomrun> very well thank you, and you?
[17:01] <freedomrun> cqfd93, hello
[17:01] <hannie> busy as usual
[17:01] <cqfd93> hannie, we may have the same problems with the French pdf?
[17:02] <hannie> cqfd93, by the time you have finished the problem may be fixed (hopefully)
[17:02] <CarstenG> Be back
[17:02] <hannie> wecome back, CarstenG
[17:03] <hannie> *welcome
[17:03] <CarstenG> Hi Sylvie
[17:11] <cqfd93> Hi Carsten!
[17:13] <cqfd93> hannie: you may be right, as someone in the French team definitely wants us to publish in 2013 (he's the one who sends us lots of fix suggestions, I mean hundreds of them...
[17:14] <hannie> Weel, I do hope we can publish both French and Dutch versions before the end of the year
[17:14] <hannie> *well
[17:17] <cqfd93> So do I
[17:23] <CarstenG> Hannie, you wrote that you generated the malay manual.
[17:23] <hannie> Yes, I first fixed a few errors and the made the pdf
[17:24] <CarstenG> Did you fix the syntax error local on your system?
[17:24] <hannie> *then
[17:24] <hannie> what do you mean by syntax error local?
[17:24] <hannie> I fixed a lot of errors in the po file
[17:24] <hannie> Usually brackets and \\\\
[17:25] <CarstenG> Well, they are fixed now on your computer, but are not available on LP.
[17:25] <CarstenG> This I mean with "local"
[17:26] <hannie> CarstenG, I just created a user "Ubuntu" in VB-precise with language Malay
[17:27] <CarstenG> And, does it work?
[17:27] <hannie> CarstenG, true, but I only want to upload the revised po file after having made contact with a member of the Malay team
[17:28] <hannie> CarstenG, yes, I cannot read a thing :)
[17:28] <CarstenG> Yes, that is right.
[17:28] <hannie> CarstenG, about Malay screenshots:
[17:28] <hannie> I will wait and see if abuyop will reply in the coming week
[17:29] <hannie> If not, I guess we will have to do the screenshots ourselves
[17:29] <CarstenG> I also thought about fixing the syntax errors, but the learning process for the malay team would be greater, if they would do it for themself.
[17:29] <godbyk> Hey, hannie. You said that the Dutch manual is ready to be published?  (Sorry, I thought I was supposed to wait on you to finish something again. My mistake!)
[17:29] <godbyk> hannie: Which branch? precise-e2 or quantal?  (Or both?)
[17:29] <hannie> hey godbyk
[17:29] <cqfd93> hi kevin!
[17:30] <godbyk> Hey, Sylvie!
[17:30] <hannie> godbyk, precise-e2. I sent you an email last week to tell you it was ready to be published. NP!
[17:31] <godbyk> hannie: Okay. I may have missed it while I was away at the conference. (So much email!)  Should I use the nl.po that's in the precise-e2 bzr branch or the one from Launchpad?
[17:31] <hannie> godbyk, glad you are with us again ;) Yes, I uploaded the last version to LP last week
[17:32] <hannie> godbyk, you can use our ubuntu-manual branch
[17:32] <hannie> There you also find the right screenshots
[17:34] <godbyk> hannie: Okay. I'll build it today and see if anything is amiss. I'll send you the final draft for your approval and then we can get it published.
[17:35] <hannie> godbyk, great! Looking forward to it
[17:36] <godbyk> I just received emails recently that 12.04e2 and 12.10 are finally 'under review' for the software center.  Hopefully they'll appear there soon.
[17:36] <hannie> godbyk, I have added the malay .clo file to my Projects/precise-e2, so I will not upload to LP for the moment
[17:36] <hannie> It was only an experiment
[17:37] <godbyk> cqfd93: I received your email regarding the margin sizes. I'll look into that. At one point I know I added more lines per page for the US English edition, but I may not have made adjustments to the translated (A4) editions.
[17:37] <hannie> But I did manage to generate the complete Malaysian pdf file
[17:37] <godbyk> hannie: Cool!
[17:38] <hannie> I also just created a Malay Ubuntu user!
[17:39] <CarstenG> Hannie, sorry to be nit-picky, but 03-active-connection.png has still a to small font size.
[17:39] <hannie> CarstenG, I am going to have a look right now
[17:39] <godbyk> CarstenG: For which translation?
[17:40] <CarstenG> Dutch, precise-e2
[17:40] <cqfd93> godbyk: (about margin sizes) thank you
[17:44] <hannie> CarstenG, 03-active-connection.png is 276 x 123 pixels. You think that is too small?
[17:45] <hannie> I can make a new one
[17:45] <CarstenG> Hannie, I mean the font size, not the picture size.
[17:45] <CarstenG> Compare it with the english original, and you see, what I mean.
[17:45] <hannie> ah, let me see...
[17:59] <godbyk> cqfd93: I looked at the code, and it appears that the A4 versions should get a couple more lines per page than the US letter versions.
[17:59] <godbyk> cqfd93: I'll leave it that way for now, but we can take a look at it again during the raring branch. I might make a few other tweaks for raring, too.
[17:59] <cqfd93> That would probably be good
[18:00] <cqfd93> I mean, having one or two more lines, even in the precise-e2 and quantal versions, would be great! ;-)
[18:02] <godbyk> cqfd93: Oh, no.. I meant that they should already have one or two more lines compared to the US English version.
[18:02] <godbyk> A4 paper is taller and narrower than US letter paper.
[18:03] <godbyk> CarstenG: I just got an email from lulu.com saying there was a problem printing 12.10 again. But this time I'm pretty sure it's using the PDF that Jeremy generated for us.  This is getting silly.
[18:06] <cqfd93> godbyk: I think that having the bottom margin exactly the same height in both English and French versions would add one line to each page
[18:08] <hannie> CarstenG, I have just created a Dutch user in VB Ubuntu Precise to make a new screenshot, but...
[18:08] <hannie> the network manager menu is more simple because I only have a wired connection on this computer
[18:09] <godbyk> cqfd93: I'll take a look at the numbers I'm using for the A4 and US letter margins and see how they differ.
[18:09] <hannie> It only has 3 items: enable network, connection information and edit connections
[18:13] <cqfd93> godbyk: thanks
[18:17] <hannie> CarstenG, I guess I'll have to accept 03-active-connection.png as is, unless you can upload a better one
[18:22] <CarstenG> ok, Hannie, I will try to create a new one.
[18:22] <hannie> thanks
[18:30]  * hannie is leaving. See you all
[18:37] <cqfd93> hannie and CarstenG: I just installed the Duch language pack on my precise machine (that has wi-fi),and made a screenshot: http://ubuntuone.com/7OGjlHMVqJgHiQLUad2ZN3
[18:38] <cqfd93> You can edit it with gimp to remove the items you don't want
[19:27] <CarstenG> Thanks Sylvie, but I did it myself. on your screenshot is again a mouse pointer ;-)
[19:29] <cqfd93> It's easy to get rid of it in gimp ;-)
[19:41] <CarstenG> It’s easier not to capture it. ;-)
[19:42] <cqfd93> ;-)
[22:01] <CarstenG> See you tomorrow.
[22:01] <CarstenG> Good night.
[22:03] <cqfd93> see you tomorrow.  Good night!