[01:33] <phunyguy_t430s> is it ever OK to tell someone to Google something?
[01:35] <elky> phunyguy_t430s, asking for absolutes without providing context is a bit misleading.
[01:35] <elky> there are times. i can't say if your example is one of those.
[01:36] <phunyguy_t430s> someone is asking about initscripts in #ubuntu, and they were told to google it.
[01:37] <elky> I usually tell people what i googled for, and the post i selected, which not only gives them one example, but the tools to find other posts if the one i chose wasn't good enough
[01:37] <phunyguy_t430s> "I'm not about to explain how to write an init script here" they said.
[01:38] <elky> phunyguy_t430s, explain that they should not use "google it" as a stand-in for "i don't know."
[01:38]  * elky returns to doing work
[01:39] <phunyguy_t430s> thanks.
[01:39]  * phunyguy_t430s parts
[01:39] <Flannel> Although,
[01:39] <Flannel> meh.
[01:39] <elky> ?
[01:40] <Flannel> Well, creating an init script from scratch isn't exactly ontopic either.
[01:40] <Flannel> elky: Also, look at what you've done in #u :P
[01:41] <elky> le sigh
[01:42] <Hwkiller> Can someone explain to me why telling a user to go google a word they hadn't previously googled is harsh?
[01:42] <jrib> well giving new info to point where to google isn't bad imho
[01:42] <jrib> Hwkiller: depends on context
[01:43] <Hwkiller> The guy was wondering how to make a daemon execute on startup. I asked him "why not use an initscript? that's what they are for." He said "go on.." I told him to go google it.
[01:43] <Flannel> Hwkiller: Hi.  In general "go google it" isn't an appropriate response to a support question.  In this particular case, I think the policy of "there are no absolutes" may be more relevant.
[01:44] <Hwkiller> it wasn't harsh, it's just that he hadn't heard of that before, and 2) explaining how to write an init script is way too expansive for IRC support
[01:44] <Flannel> Hwkiller: We're not arguing.  I think phunyguy_t430s just got a little overeager to interpret the guidelines.
[01:45] <Hwkiller> Ok... good to know
[01:45] <jrib> Hwkiller: ideally, you'd point to the relevant documentation or a specific search result.  But giving specific terms if a factoid isn't handy and you can't/aren't willing to explain the details is okay imo
[01:45] <Hwkiller> sorry for coming off as defensive, I was just about be a little weirded out if phunyguy was right
[01:45] <jrib> he's closer to a solution anyway. And sometimes I'll do the same, and just urge them to ask if they aren't sure about something
[01:46] <Flannel> Hwkiller: No worries.
[01:46] <Hwkiller> alright, g'day
[01:50] <elky> It's kinda like walking into a library for the first time to ask for a book on a topic, and being told the book is "on the shelf" and having to find it without understanding the dewey system.
 can anyone give me the link of redhat satellite iso
[06:17] <bazhang> always my first stop to find out about red hat : #ubuntu
[06:17] <bazhang> isn't that payware?
[06:22] <bazhang> tab to get grub? thats what tenX is saying
 bazhang:  i need to move some jumpers to install ubuntu rigth ??
[06:42] <bazhang> look like Nico_  is our friend 'Like"
[06:46] <bazhang> so via PM, Nico_ is in fact Like , from offtopic fame
[07:01] <VixenGurl> VixenGurl chu Amaranthus IdleOne mneptok k1l ubottu persia jrib Pici bazhang DJones ryanakca topyli Myrtti jussi TheDrums CarlFK jtrucks Unit193 Mamarok jpds pleia2 MrChrisDruif Jordan_U cprofitt kloeri head_victim Tm_T Tm_Tr AlanBell elky Corey lhavelund tsimpson bioterror holstein jayne Fuchs ikonia tomaw funkyHat nhandler Pricey marienz knome txwikinger tonyyarusso yano Dave2 bkerensa mrmist ubuntulog
[07:01] <VixenGurl> h00k Flannel
[07:01] <VixenGurl> VixenGurl chu Amaranthus IdleOne mneptok k1l ubottu persia jrib Pici bazhang DJones ryanakca topyli Myrtti jussi TheDrums CarlFK jtrucks Unit193 Mamarok jpds pleia2 MrChrisDruif Jordan_U cprofitt kloeri head_victim Tm_T Tm_Tr AlanBell elky Corey lhavelund tsimpson bioterror holstein jayne Fuchs ikonia tomaw funkyHat nhandler Pricey marienz knome txwikinger tonyyarusso yano Dave2 bkerensa mrmist ubuntulog
[07:01] <VixenGurl> h00k Flannel
[07:09] <bazhang> had him/her in PM as well
[07:10] <Tm_T> them (:
[07:13] <elky> that hostmask looks useful for reporting
[16:22] <bazhang> * Zoom (~cinka@nl6x.mullvad.net)   looks like BoozeWooz
[16:22] <ikonia> tedious
[16:27] <bazhang> jrib hates Christmas!
[16:28] <jrib> :(
 its ubuntu 6
[16:30] <bazhang> OH YEAH
[16:31] <jrib> I wanted to take care of it in pm and remove the ban, but that doesn't seem possible
[16:31] <bazhang> well it was iOS, so not so bad
[16:33] <bazhang> * [BoozeWooz_] (~cinka@46.21.99.29): cinka
[16:33] <bazhang> perhaps a broader ban is in order
[17:09] <bazhang> * Oggy` has quit (K-Lined)
[19:05] <Pici> Surely spamming your linkedin profile is a great way to get an Ubuntu job.
[19:05] <ikonia> did someone really do that ?
[19:05] <Pici> ikonia: Mike3620 in #ubuntu and #freenode
[19:06] <ikonia> idiot
[19:08] <Pici> oh the humanity
[21:56] <ikonia> is mint still shipping with #ubuntu as it's default xchat channel
[21:56] <k1l_> dont think so
[21:56] <k1l_> but (let me get that log back)
[21:57] <k1l_> "It is actually a problem with a Linux Mint install but the guys in their IRC have directed me to you as they reckon you guys know more about these kind of things. "
[21:58] <k1l_> that it just from this morning
[21:59] <ikonia> I just wondered what due to Magellanicus
[22:01] <ikonia> wizbit = dontknow
[22:01] <k1l_> well, multiaccount nes could be a issue for the staffers, too
[22:01] <ikonia> it's not him
[22:02] <ikonia> it's some idiot bragging about it elsewhere
[22:02] <k1l_> ok
[22:37] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu JPMH tries to prove me wrong by making up command flags so he can call me out, but then when the man page proves him wrong has to "/part"