[05:25] <pitti> Good morning
[05:40] <jalcine> Morning, pitti
[05:40] <jalcine> I'm heading to bed in an hour, though haha
[07:27] <jibel> good morning
[07:28] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[07:29] <jibel> Bonjour pitti , comment va tu ?
[07:29] <jibel> *vas-tu
[07:30] <pitti> jibel: ça va bien, et toi? j'ai eu une bonne we
[07:30] <pitti> et je suis à maison a nouveau
[07:30] <pitti> "à" nouveau, je crois
[07:30] <jibel> pitti, super, ton voyage s'est bien passé ?
[07:30] <jibel> pitti, correct, "à nouveau"
[07:31] <pitti> oui, alors que il va neigé
[07:32] <jibel> ah, pas de neige ici, il fait entre 5 et 10°C
[07:34] <pitti> jibel: j'aime notre nouveaux bureaux, est-ce que tu le sais?
[07:34] <pitti> err, "nouveau bureau", just one
[07:34] <jibel> pitti, non, je connaissais les anciens, mais je ne suis pas encore allé dans les nouveaux
[07:36] <pitti> tâche la plus difficile: acheter une carte postale :)
[13:55] <dholbach> pitti, would Thursday be OK for you too?
[13:55] <dholbach> jibel answered already
[13:55] <pitti> dholbach: yeah, should work fine
[13:55] <dholbach> sweet
[13:56] <dholbach> and a hangout session, maybe some time in the European morning (maybe repeat it some time later on again?) would work? the rest of the time we'd spend in here(?) and answer questions and help out?
[13:56] <dholbach> does that sound like a good plan?
[13:56] <dholbach> if so, I'd start working on an announce
[13:58] <pitti> hangout seems fairly unstable these days, but yes, we can try
[13:58] <dholbach> I'll have didrocks in the morning hangout on Thursday, who wanted to talk about unity+automated tests on their end as well
[13:58] <dholbach> hope that won't add up to confusions
[13:58] <dholbach> but I guess it should be fine
[13:58] <dholbach> great
[13:58] <dholbach> I'm so looking forward to this :)
[13:58] <dholbach> jibel, thanks a lot for updating RequiredTests
[13:58] <pitti> let's see how many interested people turn up, indeed
[13:59] <dholbach> yep :)
[14:02] <jamespage> dholbach, updating the wiki now
[14:02]  * dholbach hugs jamespage
[14:02] <jibel> dholbach, yw
[17:40] <h01ger> hi
[17:59] <zyga> hi
[17:59] <balloons> hello
[18:38] <balloons> Noskcaj, howdy
[18:41] <Noskcaj> hey balloons
[18:43] <balloons> how are you?
[18:45] <Noskcaj> good, you?
[18:47] <balloons> not too bad..
[18:47] <balloons> working on testcases, per the usual.
[18:47] <balloons> I'm excitied to see some uptake of autopilot
[18:48] <Noskcaj> i should probably try and do some autopilot stuff, except i'm on xubuntu so things may get difficult
[18:48] <balloons> Noskcaj, not neccessarily
[18:48] <Noskcaj> and my VM's may not get enough ram
[18:48] <balloons> I'd be happy to help go through a case with you
[18:48] <balloons> you should be able to run and develop on your main desktop
[18:49] <Noskcaj> ok
[18:50] <Noskcaj> what do i do/install
[18:51] <balloons> well, the blog posts I wrote really do a nice job, if you haven't gone through them
[18:51] <balloons> but you need "python-autopilot"
[18:51] <Noskcaj> i will do that now
[18:52] <balloons> once you go the basics, I can help you do a testcase for an app you like
[18:53] <Noskcaj> ok, i may as well make an xchat one as it is a default program in xubuntu
[18:55]  * balloons <3 xchat
[18:55] <Noskcaj> have you heard any more about when gnobuntu becomes official? when that happens i can try and convince the zorin guy(s) to become an ubuntu project
[18:55] <balloons> you'd have to take to jeremy about it
[18:55] <balloons> however, 13.04 he wanted to have something I think
[18:56] <Noskcaj> ok
[18:59] <Noskcaj> i should know this, but where does that bzzr branch get put?
[19:00] <balloons> the bzr branch that you pull?
[19:00] <balloons> you can put it anywhere you like ;-)
[19:02] <Noskcaj> i feel really, really stupid right now. i had installed bzr instad of downloading the branch. lol
[19:02] <balloons> no worries
[19:02] <balloons> just bzr branch
[19:02] <balloons> that will get you fixed u
[19:02] <balloons> *up
[19:03] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:03] <Noskcaj> done
[19:04] <balloons> kk -- let me know if you have any questions
[19:05] <Noskcaj> k
[19:10] <Noskcaj> ok, how would i launch xchat?
[19:13] <balloons> ok, look at my firefox testcase
[19:13] <balloons> you would reigster xchat via the xchat.desktop file
[19:14] <balloons> then use start_app_window("xchat") in setup
[19:14] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:19] <Noskcaj> i will pit what i have so far on pastebin
[19:19] <balloons> kk
[19:20] <Noskcaj> http://pastebin.com/gqsi3KVj
[19:20] <Noskcaj> will that get it opened?
[19:20] <balloons> very close
[19:20] <Noskcaj> ?
[19:20] <balloons> AutopilotTestCase.register_known_application("xchat", "xchat.desktop", "xchat")
[19:21] <balloons> it takes  three arguments
[19:21] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:21] <balloons>     def register_known_application(cls, name, desktop_file, process_name):
[19:21] <balloons>         :param name: The name to be used when launching the application.
[19:21] <balloons>         :param desktop_file: The filename (without path component) of the desktop file used to launch the application.
[19:21] <balloons>         :param process_name: The name of the executable process that gets run.
[19:22] <Noskcaj> i will try and finish this later. i have to get ready for school now.
[19:22] <Noskcaj> i will stay online
[19:22] <balloons> kk
[19:22] <balloons> ping whenever, I'll reply when I see it
[19:47] <Noskcaj> balloons, any idea how we fix bug 1066223, i am finding it very annoying
[19:48] <balloons> Noskcaj, it's a geoip thing -- I had you check that via the online website right?
[19:48] <Noskcaj> yep, worked fine. i only have the problem in kubuntu
[19:49] <balloons> http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[19:49] <balloons> and that doesn't show the issue..
[19:50] <balloons> ?
[19:50] <Noskcaj> exactly
[19:50] <balloons> if not, then xnox would have to speak more to it.. but my guess is he will say the same thing, heh
[19:50] <balloons> they should match
[19:51] <Noskcaj> i thought so, very weird. we got an ubuntu-au guy to confirm it, i think he lived in queensland, so its most states
[19:52] <xnox> Noskcaj: balloons: AU      -3455+13835     Australia/Adelaide      South Australia
[19:52] <xnox> there is no Sydney, there is only Adelaide timezone
[19:52]  * xnox hides
[19:53] <xnox> in gtk ubiquity, we work around this by not actually printing the official name of the timezone.
[19:53] <balloons> :-) I knew xnox knew the answer!
[19:53] <Noskcaj> WTF?
[19:53] <xnox> this is kind of similar to the bug 892370
[19:54] <xnox> well actually there is: AU      -3352+15113     Australia/Sydney        New South Wales - most locations
[19:54] <xnox> I bet the drop down with timezone has Sydney as well.
[19:54] <Noskcaj> so i have to manually choose it? xnox, the default for australia is still sydney. just it detects everyone as adelaide
[19:55] <xnox> Noskcaj: it's irrelevant what you choose =) since the time is the same, but KDE frontend is confusingly is showing you an alphabetically sorted list of timezones applicable in that geoip location.
[19:56] <Noskcaj> also why are places like currie on the timezone list? its still part of tasmainia essentially
[19:56] <Noskcaj> xnox, ok?
[19:57] <balloons> buongiorno letozaf_
[19:57] <letozaf_> buongiorno balloons :)
[19:57] <letozaf_> let's say it's buonasera now
[19:58] <balloons> ahh..
[19:58] <balloons> night I'm guessing
[19:58] <xnox> Noskcaj: historical reasons, it probably got added to the zone.tab and stuff is never removed from zone.tab.... and these days they are reluctant to change anything in zone.tab as stuff might rely on it =/
[19:58] <xnox> Noskcaj: "historical" can be read as "hysterical" as well.
[19:59] <Noskcaj> ok xnox, i understand that
[19:59] <letozaf_> yes it's nine o'clock in the evening :-D
[20:00] <letozaf_> so you say buonasera
[20:02] <balloons> anyways, I trust you are well
[20:03] <balloons> I'm still working on the test case changes you did
[20:03] <balloons> and Noskcaj has started on an autopilot case ;-)
[20:04] <letozaf_> oh did could he do the gaps I could not do ?
[20:05] <letozaf_> oops
[20:05] <letozaf_> I meant could he do the gaps I could not do ?
[20:05] <letozaf_> I mean the assertions
[20:07] <Noskcaj> letozaf_, what? i am "making" a xchat testcase, it will not end well
[20:08] <balloons> letozaf_, lol.. no he's working on his own
[20:08] <balloons> I have to ask thomi about the gaps
[20:08] <balloons> he'll be on soon
[20:09] <letozaf_> ok :)
[20:09] <letozaf_> should I try another autopilot test meanwhile ?
[20:09] <letozaf_> I will leave the gaps :-D
[20:11] <balloons> yes, go for it
[20:11] <letozaf_> can I chose or do you prefer to give me one ?
[20:16] <balloons> you should choose
[20:16] <balloons> pick something you like
[20:16] <letozaf_> ok
[20:31] <letozaf_> balloons: the Automated Testing Hackfest does it go on the whole day ? I see no time indicated...
[20:31] <balloons> letozaf_, yes it does
[20:31] <balloons> although there will be an on-air portion
[20:31] <balloons> that hasn't been scheduled that I can see yet
[20:31] <balloons> I think it might be early UTC
[20:31] <balloons> morning for you
[20:32] <letozaf_> pitty :(
[20:32] <letozaf_> It's not fair, I should move to the US so I do not miss this nice things :-D
[20:34] <letozaf_> (I was joking obviously) :-b
[20:37] <balloons> hehe
[20:37] <balloons> the guys doing the on-air bit are in Europa
[20:38] <balloons> but it will be recorded, so you can watch at your leisure
[20:39] <Noskcaj> balloons, what time, i may be able to be on for part of it?
[20:39] <letozaf_> oh good!
[20:39] <balloons> Noskcaj, not sure yet
[20:40] <balloons> they are offline atm
[20:43] <Noskcaj> candence 2 is very buggy (6 bugs in 2 tests). at least some will be fixed soon.
[20:44] <balloons> finding bugs can be considered a good thing :-)
[20:45] <Noskcaj> balloons, i know, but that is a lot for 2 tests
[20:55] <letozaf_> balloons: what if in a testcase you have to enter the user's password to perform a test, I mean in autopilot I can enter mine, but if another person runs the test it will fail
[20:55] <balloons> ohh.. well, you don't want to embed a password
[20:55] <letozaf_> no but is there another way ?
[20:57] <balloons> well, you must need superuser privileges for it?
[20:57] <balloons> is that why you need the password or ?
[20:59] <letozaf_> yes I chose gome-terminal and if you launch sudo apt-get update,  then you need to enter a password
[21:00] <balloons> ahh, got it
[21:00] <balloons> well, heh, you can issue that command without going through the terminal
[21:01] <balloons> what are you attempting to test?
[21:01] <balloons> perhaps it's just not the right way tot test it
[21:01] <letozaf_> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1422/info
[21:02] <letozaf_> Test-case name: gnometerminal/ter-001
[21:02] <letozaf_> maybe I could use another command..
[21:03] <letozaf_> one that does not need sudo
[21:05] <balloons> ohh yes
[21:05] <balloons> that's just some basic terminal commands
[21:05] <balloons> the commands aren't important, so, sure
[21:07] <letozaf_> ok