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mjrosenbwhile we're on the topic of 13.04, is there a reasonable upgrade path to 13.04 from the haked-sh-script installation for the chromebook?00:03
EtherninKDE-plasma on the Nexus7....here we go!00:31
Tassadaroooh, craaap00:31
Tassadari missclicked and started eclipse00:31
Tassadarit will take ages to launch and ages to shutdown again :(00:31
Etherninhahaha00:31
Etherninfuck booted me back into unity00:32
Etherninstandby00:33
Etherninkdm is nice tho ^_^00:33
Etherninnot bad....not bad00:35
Etherninyeah just like i thought00:36
Etherninit's too much for it to handle off the bat00:36
Etherninneeds some tweaking00:36
TassadarKDE had some project to bring plasma to mobile devices too, hadn't it?00:36
Etherninsome of the gestures are working at least00:36
Etherninyeah i think it was plasma 3?00:36
Etherningood god kde-plasma is buggy on this00:42
EtherninRATS00:42
Etherninlooks nice tho...00:43
Tassadaryeah, that's KDE ^^00:43
Etherninkinda figured as much....00:43
Ethernini guess ill try kubuntu now00:43
Ethernini just want something that works....00:44
Etherninor can work...00:44
Ethernini hate how normal hotkeys dont work in kde...00:44
Ethernincrtl alt T for instance...00:44
Tassadarwhat should that do?00:46
EtherninTassadar, open a terminal01:33
DaughainHas there been any work porting ubuntu to the Qualcomm chipsets?01:43
infinityWe don't ship any Qualcomm kernels, no.01:44
infinityIf you happen to have one handy, the userspace will all Just Work.01:44
DaughainThanks, is there a link for editing kernels?01:45
DaughainExisting01:45
infinityNo idea.01:45
infinitySee above, re: we don't ship any.01:46
infinityIf your device ships with an Android kernel, our userspace would work with that.  Or if the device or SoC manufacturer offer a BSP, or if Linaro has a kernel for that SoC, etc...01:46
DaughainOk, I'm trying to find a way to run ubuntu as a dual boot, rather than a chroot. Any ideas here I should look to accomplish this?01:48
infinityI honestly have no clue.  Every device is (very) different, and I have no QC-based devices.01:49
DaughainHere==where01:49
EtherninDaughain, i've been interested in the same thing for sure, have you tried recompiling the android kernel with more options for linux?01:50
DaughainActually, I don't care if it dual boots, or just boots ubuntu. Either will work.01:50
DaughainEthernin: can't compile anything right mow.01:50
EtherninDaughain, yeah i was trying to get a desktop environment to boot instead of using vnc, doesn't work very well01:51
DaughainI'm trying to learn what has been done, and how much work I need to do to get cli01:51
Ethernininfinity, do you know if Ubuntu is being developed for android phones?  sorry if that's already been asked01:52
EtherninDaughain, right, running full linux kernel and not chroot01:52
EtherninI've been trying to figure out the same thing, haven't had much luck01:52
infinityEthernin: Same answer as above.  We don't currently ship any kernels for any Android phones, but the userspace works fine with the Android kernels (and works better if you recompile with some extra bits turned on, as you've noted).01:53
infinityThe closest we come is the Nexus7 tablet, which there's been much ado about us using as a reference platform for slate devices.01:54
Ethernininfinity, cool thanks, as far as recompiling the kernel for android, have you been able to get the proper sources and headers that match the android 3.0.8 kernel?01:54
Ethernininfinity, or just get as close as you can?01:55
DaughainOk, thanks a lot guys, I need to do some more research....01:55
Etherningood luck, report back!01:55
infinityThe two Android kernel sources we ship are both at 3.1.1001:56
Etherninok roger01:56
infinity(ac100 and nexus7)01:56
infinityBoth based on NVIDIA Tegra BSPs.01:56
infinityEvery SoC vendor has their own blessed tree, sadle.01:56
infinitys/sadle/sadly/01:56
Etherninriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight01:56
Etherninok01:56
Etherninso for instance trying to recompile the kernel on a samsung galaxy S3 wouldn't really work unless the kernel version was 3.1.10?01:57
infinityI'm kinda hoping (though not holding my breath) that the combination of more Android patches being mainlined, and Arnd's work toward single zImage in mainline might mean that the BSP madness can eventually come to an end.01:57
infinityBut, y'know, that'll still be years in the making. :/01:57
Ethernininfinity, :(01:57
Ethernininfinity, it's too bad, yet another reason why the N900 kicked so much ass01:57
infinityEthernin: Hrm?  No, what you'd need is a kernel tree that actually supports the S3, version is less relevant.01:58
Ethernininfinity, really hope the guys at jolla come out with the next version01:58
Ethernininfinity, ok hmm01:58
infinityI mean, we're shipping nexus7 sources at 3.1.10, but our mainline kernels are 3.7... Clearly, we don't care much about versions. :P01:58
Ethernininfinity, last time i looked at recompiling the android kernel on the SGS3 I ran into problems trying to find the headers and source that matched the kernel version, but I think I see what youre saying01:59
Etherninlol right on01:59
Ethernininfinity, so any advice to get gestures working on the Nexus7 ?  I'm looking into utouch / multitouch and magick-rotation - I'm finding unity is deathly slow, XFCE and LXDE work pretty darn fast tho02:02
Ethernininfinity, gnome-fallback (classic) works pretty awesome but trying to make icons bigger and get single touch to open icons has been next to impossible with whats on there to begin with02:03
Ethernininfinity, anyway any advice in that direction would be greatly appreciated!02:04
EtherninI also just tried kde-plasma but all kinds of problems there02:04
infinityEthernin: I'm more of a low-level guy.  Asking me for advice with GUIs is like asking a physicist to perform neurosurgery.  I kinda know how it all works, but you don't want me mucking around in there.02:05
Ethernininfinity, hahaha lol fair enough, im the same way that's why I'm looking for help!  :P02:05
EtherninI've got all the CLI tools and everything I need installed, it's just making it point and click now...02:06
achiangEthernin: we support some gestures today, the non-working gestures are either bugs or unimplemented02:27
achiangEthernin: for instance, 3-finger tap works (to display unity drag handles). 4-finger tap to display dash works too02:27
EtherninAWESOME!02:28
Etherninachiang, thank u!  I found the 3-finger, but like no desktop switching??02:29
achiangEthernin: i don't know what that gesture is (but could find out tomorrow)02:29
achiangEthernin: if you're into hacking multitouch, we'd love to see such patches02:29
Etherninomg hell yes02:30
Etherninachiang, that's my plan, I've recompiled the kernel with a wizard friend and have all the usb host mode packet injection support i need, plus ubertooth!  but really it's just making the desktop usable02:31
Etherninonboard is pretty frustrating as well, I compiled florence keyboard which is pretty nice, but they're all super buggy and hard to use well02:31
achiangEthernin: are you on the quantal image or raring image?02:31
Etherninboth - I have a 16GB nexus 7 running 12.10 and a 32GB with 3G running the latest Raring02:32
Etherninreverse shells over the 3g was also in the plans02:32
achiangEthernin: onboard in the raring image is not so bad02:32
Etherninmy goal is to create a nice easy-to-use pentesting platform and release it to the public after completed02:32
Etherninyeah it's definitely better than on quantal02:33
Etherninachiang, I really APPRECIATE all the work you guys have done getting Ubuntu working on the device02:33
Etherninhonestly I was going for an android phone but no one has really made full linux available for android phones that isn't some kind of chroot env ect02:34
achiangEthernin: well, the rest of the team isn't here to accept the kudos but i'll certainly be happy to pass them on. :)02:34
Etherninachiang, haha thanks man, it's really awesome to see ubuntu running on these small devices!02:35
Etherninachiang, I will be mainly working on selecting the right desktop environment for the Nexus7 (probably LXDE or XFCE because they run the fastest) and getting all the multitouch stuff to work02:35
EtherninI have a few people helping me, and would be happy to share/upload my results at the end of the week02:36
achiangEthernin: i'm mostly a paperpusher, but if you want need help getting people to pay attention to your work, give me a poke02:36
Ethernindon't know where to send that stuff but maybe I'll just throw it in dropbox or something02:36
Etherninfor sure man!02:36
achiangEthernin: fwiw, lxde/xfce will respond differently to multitouch than default compiz+unity02:37
Etherninachiang, word thanks for that info,02:39
achiangEthernin: not sure how those desktop environments respond to MT and/or gestures... also for unity, we at least have a spec for what *should* happen02:39
achiang(but everyone is of course free to choose their own desktop environment)02:39
Etherninis there any documentation for that available?02:39
achianglet me go digging02:39
Etherninachiang, well honestly I would love to use unity if it was faster, 2d was at least a little quicker and one of the main issues I've had is not being able to open desktop icons with one tap!!  and there's nowhere to change the mouse option to "1 click to open"02:40
Etherninachiang, awesome thanks man!02:40
achiang Ethernin send me an email, i can't find it atm02:41
Etherninachiang, k roger, thanks a lot man!02:42
achiangEthernin: cool, look what i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch02:43
achiangi'll try and find a list of the unimplemented ones tomorrow02:43
* achiang goes to dinner02:45
Etherninachiang, awesome thanks again!02:45
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rasterdiwic: YO! the man i wanted to see!06:39
diwicraster, hi06:39
raster:)06:39
rastersound guru...06:39
rasternexus 706:39
rasterpoint me at some info/docs/something... i can use.. to get my audio to work! :)06:39
diwicraster, bug 1068804 ?06:40
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106880406:40
rasteri know06:40
rasternup - donest help06:40
raster(suspend/resume dont fix anything - not even several cycles)06:40
diwicraster, hmm, interesting06:40
rastermy initial problem was /dev/sdn/* permissioning06:40
rasterie my uid didnt have access06:41
rasterso pulse couldnt talk06:41
rasterand all i got was "dummy output" in pulse06:41
diwicraster, are you doing something custom, i e not ubuntu image?06:41
rasteri figured that out06:41
rasterand then pulse detects the tegra hw device06:41
rasterubuntu image...06:41
rasterBUT... i nixed the desktop06:41
rasterall system daemons working06:41
rasterpulse still there06:41
rasterdesktop does handle pulse audio06:42
diwicraster, what does "nixed the desktop" mean?06:42
rasteri have installed pavucontrol06:42
rasterand that lets me diagnose soem stuff anf fiddle06:42
rasternixed - dont run unity (compiz+gnome bits etc.)06:42
rasternicex lightdm06:43
rasternixed lightdm06:43
raster(uninstaleld it - use nodm instead)06:43
rastermy mem footrpint is down to like 160m ram06:43
rasteras a result06:43
raster(total excluding buffers/cache)06:43
rasterless actually06:44
diwicraster, do you still use consolekit to give you permissions to everything you should?06:44
raster131m "userspace" from smem -t06:44
Etherninraster, question is pavucontrol the desktop environment or are you going cli only?06:44
rasterno06:45
rasterbut what do i need permission to other than pulseaudio server?06:45
rasteri can get audio going through it06:45
rasterit just ends up "nowehre"06:45
rasteralso i just chowned /dev/snd/* to myselfg anyway06:45
rasterthat was the perms problem06:45
rasterEthernin:  pavucontrol is in the gui (desktop)06:45
rasterbut tbh - dont care06:46
rastercmdline will be fine06:46
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Etherninraster, are u using gnome-classic (fallback?)06:46
rasterno06:46
rastere1706:46
raster:)06:46
rastercompositing is all happy06:46
Etherninword06:46
rastersuspend/resume all happy06:46
Etherninhahaha nice06:46
diwicraster, I guess /dev/snd/* should be enough (together with some /sysfs stuff).06:46
rasteri'm a bit miffed at the nvidia drviers not doing vsync swaps06:46
rastereven tho swapinterval is requested to be 1206:46
rastererr 106:46
rasterdiwic: well i thought /dev/snd would be enough06:47
rasterif there is something needing a write.. who would be doing it? pulse?06:47
raster /sys is there - but of course readable only- not write06:47
rasteri can hunt it down if my hunting fields are.. sensible :)06:48
rasteri hear u are the guru fo sound so you probably would know what it might be :)06:48
rasteri';ve never had this problem before on any ubuntu x86 install06:48
diwicraster, but the entire suspend/resume thing is a mystery to me. It might be that something is triggered when unity unsuspends but not when your system unsuspends.06:48
rasteri've nuked unity/gnome/etc over the years and never hit a sound snag06:48
rasterpulseaudio has always worked06:48
rasterso what is different about the n7 compared to other ubuntus?06:48
diwicraster, the sound chip is different.06:49
rastere17 has pulseaudio mixer support - we even "reverse engineered" pa protocol in order to provide a working pa mixer without needing libpulse06:49
rasterhahaha06:49
rastersure :)06:49
rasterits different06:49
rasterbut what about access/permissioning is different?06:49
diwicraster, desktop machines use 100s of variants of Intel HDA, whereas the n7 uses tegra 3 + realtek alc564006:50
rasterie - it goes via alsa.. so /dev/snd/* should be enough06:50
rasterwhat ELSe is there? :)06:50
rastersure06:50
diwicraster, if it looks like sound is muted even though you have unmuted it (in PulseAudio, with my nexus7 profile), it's the same symptom as the suspend/resume bug.06:51
rasteri'm happy to learn - this is not my specialty... so if there is some info/docs i can scour... i'd be more than happy to figure it out :) right now picking your brain is the next best step :)06:51
rastersoudns LOOKS unmute3d06:51
rasteraccording to e17's mixer and pavucontrol06:52
diwicraster, you have the ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 (or was it ubuntu-nexus7-defaults) installed, don't you?06:52
rasteralsamixer (when run as root) gives me like 27842 controls06:52
rasteri have been fiddling with everyone i can find06:52
rasteri did notice one of them was muted by default after a boot06:52
rasterthat may be a cause of your suspend/resume issue06:52
rasteryup06:53
rasterinstalled06:53
rasteri havent messed with any of those06:53
rasternb - awesome job getting ubu up on the n7 so far06:53
rasterit made my life SO easy06:53
rastercompared to what it normally is with arm targets06:54
rasterits CLOSE to perfect06:54
diwicraster, if you've messed around with the alsamixer controls maybe you happened to turn one off that should have been on, or the other way around?06:54
rastermultitouch for me works outof the box06:54
rasterliterlaly i can pinch/zoom/rotate in my toolking/apps out of the box06:54
rasterjust works (tm)06:54
rasterwell iv'e rebooted since i messed06:54
rasterseveral times06:54
rasterthey reset to defaults on reboot06:54
diwicraster, hmm, are they? I thought they were saved in .. /var/lib/asound.state06:55
diwicor something like that06:55
rasternup06:55
rasterlast i knew it saved in ~/.asounrc or something06:55
raster~/as...06:56
diwicdo you have a custom .asoundrc too?06:56
rasterno06:56
rasterhmm06:56
raster/var/lib/alsa/asound/state is there06:56
rasterok06:56
rasterthats a new file06:56
rasteroh please dont telll me its that06:57
rasteri swear i rebooted and mixer vals were reset from the mess i made06:57
rasteri cant chekc right now.. as i'm sshing like 1500km to get to my n706:57
diwicbbiab06:58
rasterits speakers are not loud enough to hear that far06:58
raster:)06:58
rasteri can check tonight tho06:58
diwicraster, I mean, the suspend/resume thing is a mystery to me, and chances are that when you switch desktops the bug might manifest itself differently, in which case I don't know what to do to help you07:13
rasterhmm07:16
raster:(07:16
rasterany info i can read up on what's invovled in sound output on the tegra?07:16
raster(and alsa/kernel etc.)07:16
rasterany specific /sys nodes involved?07:17
rasterany info on what all the alsa mixer control knobs really do?07:17
rasterin fact.. what did you have to do to get it to work?07:17
dholbachgood morning07:31
rastermoo07:32
dholbachjust installed raring on the Nexus7 and things are looking quite good :)07:32
rastergl isnt totallly busted anymore?07:32
rasterit was end of last week when i tried the 13.04 image07:32
dholbachraster, do you have a bug number about this? what was the problem you were looking at?07:33
rasterall garbaged up tiles in unity for compositor pixmaps07:33
rasterno i dont07:33
dholbachno, that's fixed07:33
dholbacha new unity+friends landed07:33
rasteroh ok07:33
dholbachwe were waiting for a fix in the nux library for a long while07:33
rasteri saw that and then went to the 12.10 image07:34
rasterwhich works fine07:34
dholbachbut it couldn't land due to some other issues - in any case it's in there now07:34
rasterdoes this have an update to the gles driver stuff from nv?07:34
rasteras the lack of vsynced swaps is most annoying07:34
rasteri'm wodnering if thats been fixed07:34
dholbachgood question - I don't know07:34
rasterand i have a sneaking suspicion that that its doing back -> front buffer copies, not swaps/exchanges07:35
rasterwell if u move a window.. do u get tearing?07:35
rastertho last i read compiz code.. it tyried to do glcopypixels from back to front bvuffer07:36
rasterwhich wouldnt help with that07:36
rasterbut if u do eglswapbuffers it tears07:36
rasteraat the compositor level - so i know its not vsyncing even tho its been asked to do a swapinterval of 107:36
rasteri'm just wondering if its better to perhaps file bugs with nvidia over these things instead07:45
rasteras i know canonical just consume the drivers "as provided"07:45
rastertho i need to get all my niggly issues fixed up before i go filing bugs...07:46
rasteri dont like to file a bug until i'm sure of it :)07:46
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dholbachall right, my ARM friends - who of you is going to give a demo or talk at Ubuntu Developer Week? We still have a bunch of open slots: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable12:01
dholbachif you want you can just take a 30m slot and talk about something more specific if you like12:01
dholbachbut I think it'd be great to have some ARM/device/memory/power/IO content in there as well12:01
hrwI hate when it happen13:13
hrwneed to erase whole rootfs because it is faster then finding out what is fscked up13:13
rasterdiwic: ping13:39
diwicraster, hi13:40
rasterdiwic: my many thanks13:40
rasterit was that asound file13:40
rastermust have been from my messing when pulse still had dummy output only13:40
rastertrying to get it to work13:40
raster(ie permissions problem)13:40
rasteri fixed perms - but still had that around13:40
rastermuch thankinessess :)13:40
diwicraster, glad it helped :-)13:40
* raster owes diwic a beer13:41
rasteri now really wish i knew what all these mixer params did in alsa13:42
rastertheres so many of them13:42
raster:)13:42
diwicraster, but you're still having the suspend/resume problem like the rest of us, right?13:44
rasteryup13:45
rasterneeds a suspend/resume cycle13:45
rasterthat.. i can live with.. for now13:45
raster:)13:45
rasteri have a tonne of stuff i want to do/make work/improve/whatever13:45
raster:)13:45
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jodhanyone else got screen corruption issues on first boot and15:53
jodh             inability to enter text via onboard with todays image?15:53
tassadar_yeah15:53
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cortexA9hello16:35
cortexA9what is the password of root of preinstalled img for the nexus 7 ?16:35
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cortexA9i can login only with guest session16:35
tassadar_use sudo16:35
cortexA9i can't16:35
cortexA9with guest session..16:35
tassadar_sudo passwd root should work(?)16:35
cortexA9no..16:35
tassadar_ou, guest session, right, sorry16:36
cortexA9how to log in ?16:36
cortexA9i have only guest session16:36
cortexA9:(16:36
cortexA9very strange..16:38
tassadar_dunno, I can't even finish the "setup wizard" on 13.04, because the onboard does not show up and keyboard via OTG does not work (but I think that's keyboard's fault)16:38
cortexA9oh i downloaded preinstalled img16:39
cortexA9and now i am in the desktop16:39
tassadar_from where?16:39
cortexA9i have all16:39
cortexA9nexus 716:39
cortexA9oh the img ?16:40
cortexA9you mean ?16:40
tassadar_yeah16:40
infinitycortexA9: First boot on the preinstalled image walks you through creating a user.16:40
cortexA9mmm..16:40
cortexA9i dont have this16:40
infinity(modulo the bug tassadar mentions)16:40
tassadar_initramfs-tools package is the the same for nexus 7 as is for the rest of ubuntu, right?16:40
infinitytassadar_: Yes.16:40
infinitytassadar_: Why do you ask?  (I'm upstream for it)16:41
cortexA9i think the img16:41
cortexA9i dont know..16:42
cortexA9was a mirror16:42
tassadar_I'd like to add support for booting from some folder in root (with mount -o bind), it is a short patch, gimme a while and I show you what do I mean16:42
cortexA9daily i think..16:42
cortexA9i tried with multirom16:43
cortexA9to add it..16:43
tassadar_isn't it 12.10?16:43
cortexA9no 13.0416:43
tassadar_well, multirom should not work with 13.0416:43
cortexA9why not ?16:44
cortexA9it seems work..16:44
cortexA9only i can't log in with root..16:44
cortexA9just this16:44
tassadar_how did you even install it?16:44
cortexA9i decompress it16:45
cortexA9and changed raw to img16:45
cortexA9and work..16:45
tassadar_are you sure that boot.img is correct?16:45
cortexA9mmm i dont know16:45
cortexA9maybe is the 12.10 boot ?16:46
tassadar_yeah16:46
tassadar_do uname -a16:46
tassadar_and tell me what does it says16:46
cortexA9Linux localhost.localdomain 3.1.10-7-nexus7 #11-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue.. armv7l ...16:47
tassadar_hmm, sorry, I thought I'd remember which one is 13.04, I _think_ it should be -8-16:48
tassadar_can you do...16:48
tassadar_cat /boot/config* | grep HARDBOOT16:48
tassadar_I hope it is accessible without root16:48
cortexA9mmm16:49
tassadar_nothing?16:50
cortexA9no such file or directory16:50
cortexA9i need to inject boot.img ?16:50
cortexA9in multirom ?16:50
tassadar_is config-somethingIdontRemember file in your /boot folder?16:50
tassadar_no, this should be part of ubuntu16:51
cortexA9permission denied16:51
cortexA9damn16:51
tassadar_yeah, got it, you are using 12.10 boot.img16:52
tassadar_it should be "3.1.10-8-nexus7"16:52
cortexA9mmm ok16:52
cortexA9i inject the new boot thanks16:52
tassadar_there is "Add/change boot.img" option in recovery in "list roms" menu16:53
tassadar_in puts the boot.img in right place and injects it16:53
cortexA9yes16:53
tassadar_infinity: http://pastebin.com/siEiZPJz something like this16:54
cortexA9tassadar_: i need to rename it ?16:58
tassadar_?16:58
cortexA9in boot.img ?16:58
tassadar_what rename?16:58
cortexA9the file16:58
tassadar_which one)16:58
cortexA9raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.bootimg16:58
tassadar_yeah, recovery searches for files which end with ".img"16:59
cortexA9tassadar_: it failed..17:01
cortexA9file raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.boot.img17:01
cortexA9i renamed it..17:01
tassadar_what does recovery log says, adb shell into it and cat /tmp/recovery.log17:02
infinitytassadar_: Curious.  Does this actually work?17:02
tassadar_yed17:02
tassadar_yes17:02
tassadar_I'm using it to multiboot ubuntu on n717:03
tassadar_along with kexec and "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1", it is the only thing I need to change in ubuntu, which is kinda amazing Oo17:03
cortexA9failed to decompress ramdisk17:04
tassadar_oh, yeah, the ramdisk is compressed with .lzma instead of .gz17:05
tassadar_see, that's why it is unsupported :D17:05
cortexA9lol17:05
tassadar_you could compress it as gzip on computer if you want17:05
cortexA9oh mmm17:06
tassadar_I am working on v3 which will support 13.04, it should be out this week17:06
cortexA9tassadar_, you are the developer of multirom ?17:07
tassadar_yes17:08
cortexA9oh nice :)17:08
tassadar_it is actually already all working, I just need to change the recovery and I'd like to try to get the changes into official ubuntu packages17:09
cortexA9how to open it ?17:10
cortexA97zip can't open it.17:10
tassadar_are you on ubuntu?17:11
cortexA9no atm no.17:11
tassadar_you know what, just wait, I'll edit it, it'll be faster17:11
cortexA9ok17:12
cortexA9:)17:12
cortexA9tassadar_: work now17:14
cortexA9i have the gz17:14
cortexA9wait17:14
cortexA9:D17:15
tassadar_okay)17:16
tassadar_just finished the editing too)17:16
tassadar_infinity: what do you think, should I submit it as a patch?17:17
tassadar_"should" as in "is it even worth the trouble?"17:17
infinitytassadar_: Submitting it as a Debian bug report might be nice.  I'll likely forget about it otherwise.17:19
infinitytassadar_: Assuming this is a feature you can envision people other than you wanting.17:19
tassadar_well, i suppose it would make multi-booting ubuntu on other android devices easier, but on desktop it is probably useless17:22
tassadar_booting from .img is already there though, but I guess that is used mainly in that "Install ubuntu as windows app" thing17:22
[mbm]wubi17:23
tassadar_that is just in the ubuntu's initramfs-tools, not in debian, I think I should submit it just to ubuntu17:25
cortexA9tassadar_: it's possible that multirom slow my system ?17:26
tassadar_which part exactly?17:27
cortexA9usb very slow17:27
cortexA9it really slow now..17:27
tassadar_like what, you are in ubuntu and copying something from usb or what?17:27
cortexA9no in the rom17:28
cortexA9copying something17:28
cortexA9from pc to tablet17:28
tassadar_hmm, look into battery usage, is "media" in there?17:29
cortexA9yes17:29
tassadar_android scans the /sdcard for media files after boot, and well, it scans also the whole of ubuntu (it is in /sdcard), which is a lot of files17:29
cortexA9oh ok17:30
[mbm].nomedia17:30
tassadar_it _should_ finish 15-30mins after boot though17:30
tassadar_it ignores it17:30
tassadar_gallery does not show images from that folder, but the media scanner still goes in there17:30
cortexA9i can't force stop.17:31
cortexA9:D17:31
tassadar_you could kill it if you want, but I dunno if that does not break something17:31
tassadar_(in shell via "kill" command I mean)17:32
cortexA9with advanced task killer doesnt work :D17:34
cortexA9ok i try in shell17:34
cortexA9i need to root it :D17:36
cortexA9for kill17:36
tassadar_you what....17:37
tassadar_you don't have it rooted yet? Oo17:37
cortexA9no because i have problem with the battery today17:38
cortexA9today my battery was at 0%17:40
cortexA9i thought my nexus 7 dead..17:40
cortexA9now seems work17:41
tassadar_wau, okay, that is reason serious enough)17:41
cortexA9it's called17:42
cortexA9mediaserver right ?17:42
cortexA9the process ?17:42
infinitytassadar_: You can submit to whomever you like, I maintain it in both Debian and Ubuntu. :P17:42
tassadar_uh, it's the one which takes most cpu power, that is how I always find it17:43
tassadar_infinity: okay, creating bug report on launchpad right now17:43
tassadar_okay, english grammar question:) "Whose phone is that?" - the "whose" is for human beings, what is the same word for things?17:46
dtchenlikely "those"17:47
dtchenI suppose it depends on the part of speech17:47
cortexA9lol17:47
cortexA9tassadar_: i kill it17:47
cortexA9but it appear..17:48
cortexA9mmm17:51
cortexA9seems not this the problem.17:51
tassadar_are you on windows or linux?17:52
cortexA9win17:52
cortexA9it's not a problem of multirom ?17:53
tassadar_to be honest, I don't know. I don't use windows, but I don't think the problem is in multirom. You could try asking in the XDA thread...17:54
tassadar_Are you copying like a big file, or bunch of smaller ones?17:55
cortexA96 mb..17:55
cortexA9maybe is win17:55
cortexA9try to reboot17:55
cortexA9see you17:55
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tassadar_infinity: I also need to "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1" when booting, where is the best place to do it? Would new script in scripts/init-top which would simply call "export FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP=1" work?18:01
cortexA9tassadar_: it's win now work18:03
cortexA9but i can't inject boot.img18:03
cortexA9i compress with gzip18:03
tassadar_you need to extract the boot image, extract ramdisk, repack it, and repack the boot image)18:04
cortexA9oh..18:04
cortexA9lol18:04
tassadar_...so, I get that you wanna that repacked image I just made)18:04
cortexA9i thought it's simple18:04
cortexA9:D18:04
tassadar_if only I'd remeber in which of the terminal tabs it was...18:05
tassadar_ah, here18:05
cortexA9what ?18:05
cortexA9you have a repacked image ?18:05
tassadar_nothing, here you go http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54372958/boot-raring-gz.img18:06
infinitytassadar_: Eh?  Why would you need it while booting?18:06
infinitytassadar_: If your boot process (or ours) is calling flash-kernel, that's a bit odd.18:07
tassadar_installer calls it18:07
infinitytassadar_: Oh, sure, that's a different story.  That means our installer isn't quite right for your setup, that's all.18:08
cortexA9lol18:08
tassadar_I will probably not use the installer though, so, it really is enough to do it after boot18:08
tassadar_where would be the appropriate place to do it?18:08
tassadar_(somewhere where no package will overwrite it)18:09
cortexA9tassadar_: how you can do multirom :D18:09
cortexA9i am curious18:09
infinitytassadar_: You should just remove flash-kernel, if it doesn't do the right thing for your setup.18:10
infinitytassadar_: Hacking around it is silly.18:10
* tassadar_ slaps himself18:10
tassadar_forgot it is just package like everything else, so apt-get purge flash-kernel, nice :)18:11
tassadar_cortexA9: what? Oo18:11
cortexA9yes18:11
cortexA9i mean18:11
cortexA9multirom it's hard to make it ?18:11
tassadar_the idea is simple, the hard thing is to make it nice and easy to use for the "average android root user"18:12
cortexA9:)18:12
cortexA9lol18:13
cortexA9i inject it18:13
cortexA9thanks18:13
cortexA9now i try18:13
tassadar_I think the main difference is the graphical boot menu, I did not see that in any other multi boot mod on XDA18:13
cortexA9damn18:14
cortexA9it not boot..18:14
cortexA9lol18:14
tassadar_does it say anything?18:14
cortexA9yes18:14
cortexA9error no tarball found18:15
cortexA9did you use the right rootfs.img18:15
cortexA9?18:15
cortexA9it say18:15
tassadar_there is no tarball because it is already installed, I hoped it would just print the error and continue on, but apparently not18:15
tassadar_gimme a while18:16
cortexA9ok18:16
gurgalofsudo fastboot flash userdata raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.img18:18
gurgaloftakeswaay too long time18:18
gurgalofgets stuck at sending 'userdata' (728117 KB)...18:19
gurgalofi tried to make at image for 32GB nexus718:19
cortexA9guys i think one thing18:20
cortexA9thinking18:20
Etherninlol18:20
tassadar_gurgalof: fastboot has problems flashing files that big18:21
gurgalofhow did nexus7-installer do it with quantal?18:21
tassadar_I think -S 600M switch could help with that...?18:22
tassadar_the images were smaller18:22
gurgalofthere was an image for the 32GB one...18:22
tassadar_cortexA9: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54372958/boot-raring-gz2.img18:22
gurgalof-S 600M on what?18:22
cortexA9tassadar_: thanks18:23
tassadar_fastboot -S 600M flash userdata ..., but I am not sure it was exactly that, I did not try it18:23
kulveI think the -S doesn't work with nexus 718:26
tassadar_yeah, people who were trying it said it mostly does not work18:27
kulveI didn't succeed even once.. I tried quite many times18:27
tassadar_if you have just root.tar.gz in that image, I would just copy it via recovery18:27
cortexA9tassadar_: no init found18:28
cortexA9try passing init=bootarg.18:28
tassadar_well, damn) which nexus do you have, 32gb with 3g?18:29
cortexA9no18:29
cortexA932 wifi18:30
gurgalofi have 32 with wifi too18:30
gurgalofit wont boot ubuntu sending over with -S 600M18:30
tassadar_cortexA9: I dunno, honestly, ton of things could be wrong - it is just not made to dual boot 13.0418:31
cortexA9mmm18:32
kulveI think it writes all those 600M pieces in the start of the partition..18:32
tassadar_well, just formating the /data partition in recovery and copying the roofs.tar.gz in there should work okay18:32
cortexA9tassadar_: ok no problem18:32
gurgalofi did make_ext4fs -s -l 27G rootfs.img build/18:33
gurgalofhow should i send i over when fastboot wont do it18:33
kulveI've used a modified initrd script that passed the parition as usb mass storage to the PC. Then I can do whatever I want with it18:34
tassadar_what is in the build/ folder? there should be just one tar.gz in there, right?18:34
gurgalofyep18:35
tassadar_do you have some custom recovery installed on n7?18:35
kulveis the image <700M?18:35
gurgalofno and no18:35
kulvecan't flash it then with fastboot18:35
gurgalofending 'userdata' (728117 KB)...18:36
gurgalofa little too big18:36
kulvethe limit is about 700M, I'm not exactly sure about the size18:36
gurgalofwhat does that limit come from?18:37
kulveit goes to memory first18:37
gurgalofah18:37
tassadar_if you had the recovery installed, you could copy the tar.gz into /data partition, without flashing18:37
tassadar_either via adb push or via OTG flash drive18:37
cortexA9you can add rom18:37
cortexA9rootfs right18:38
tassadar_?18:38
cortexA9no nothing sorry18:38
cortexA9:)18:38
cortexA9tassadar_: and with apt-get dist-upgrade ?18:39
cortexA9i can upgrade at 13.04 ?18:39
cortexA9from 12.1018:39
tassadar_it will probably just break - v2 does some ugly things to make dual-booting work :/18:40
cortexA9mmm18:40
cortexA9maybe not :P18:40
cortexA9i try :D18:41
kulvehttp://ruedigergad.com/2012/12/09/nexus-7-easily-flashaccess-entire-userdata-partition/18:41
kulvethat's what I used for my non-ubuntu rootfs18:41
cortexA9it's a question of packages..18:42
cortexA9i think18:42
gurgalofi need a 27GB image, that is under 700MB...18:42
cortexA9why you need that ?18:43
kulvethat's not a problem if you have only a 500M of files in there :)18:43
gurgalofi have the same files as the daily build18:43
gurgalofthe 6GB image is 40MB smaller18:43
gurgalofand it will flash18:44
cortexA9how can i put kubuntu ?18:44
cortexA9just install kubuntu-desktop ?18:45
cortexA9but i tried..18:45
cortexA9but still open unity..18:45
cortexA9strange18:46
gurgalofhmm maybe a higher compression on the tar.gz may work18:46
tassadar_can you remove some packages from the build?18:47
cortexA9who?18:47
tassadar_gurgalof18:47
gurgalofdunno, just wanted the daily build, but the right size for 32GB18:48
kulvegurgalof: create the image without the rootfs.tar.gz and flash that. Then follow the instructions in the blog post, mount the partition like an USB stick and copy as big rootfs.tar.gz there as you want18:48
kulvethe fastboot command there with the moslo images doesn't flash anything, just temporarily boot with those files.18:49
cortexA9tassadar_: one question18:49
gurgalofi see, i will try in a moment....18:49
tassadar_yes18:50
cortexA9the modified recovery add multirom right ?18:50
cortexA9i flashed it with nexus 7 toolkit18:51
cortexA9the button multirom right18:51
cortexA9because they didn't appear18:51
cortexA9because it didn't appear18:51
cortexA9with only multirom18:52
tassadar_do you use some theme for TWRP?18:52
cortexA9no..18:52
gurgalofwhat, an empty image takes 140MB....18:52
tassadar_cortexA9: i don't really understand what you need)18:53
tassadar_you have to flash modified recovery image - I don't know what does the toolkit does, does it flash recovery by itself or does it let you choose the .img file?18:54
cortexA9tassadar_: because with only multirom it didn't appear in TWRP..18:54
cortexA9just this18:54
cortexA9yes i can choose the img file18:54
tassadar_you have to flash bot recovery and multirom zip18:54
tassadar_*both18:54
cortexA9ok18:54
cortexA9must go18:55
cortexA9eat18:55
cortexA9bye18:55
gurgalofkulve, to compile moslo i need kernel zImage...18:58
kulveisn't the needed kernel and initrd images in that moslo package that you can extract with rpm? The instructions are there on the post, a bit inconvenient though..18:59
gurgalofcan i use rpm in ubuntu, isn that fedora shit19:00
gurgalofkulve, ?19:03
gurgalofseem that ican use alien to conver rpm to deb19:13
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gurgalofkulve, how do i send the tar.gz over via telnet?19:30
cortexA9you know ssh doesnt work in arm ?19:31
gurgalofnvm, saw that i got a mass storage device19:32
cortexA9i think there is a problem with openssh in arm19:34
cortexA9in quantal19:34
cortexA9i tried it19:34
infinitycortexA9: Eh?  SSH works on ARM just fine.19:42
cortexA9sure ?19:43
cortexA9mmm19:43
cortexA9i lost the connection19:44
cortexA9after login19:44
infinityPositive.  I use it all the time, on many different ARM hosts.19:44
LisaNori1I've certainly used ssh a number of times on my nexus7 running raring.19:44
infinityIf it lets you login, THEN you lose the connection, that's not SSH having an issue, that's something logging you out or killing your shell.19:44
cortexA9i mean in quantal..19:45
infinityYes, I heard you.19:45
infinitySSH on ARM in quantal works fine.19:45
cortexA9no for LisaNori119:45
LisaNori1Yep, I know.  I was just adding another data point.19:46
cortexA9ok19:46
cortexA9i don't know what is..19:46
cortexA9very strange19:47
tassadar_ssh in 12.10 on n7 works okay for me19:57
kulvegurgalof: so you did get it mounted over usb?20:01
kulveand about the rpm, you can "use" it just fine in deb based systems, it just doesn't have any packages in the DB, so installing anything is a bit tricky. But for extracting packages or checking the info of them works nicely20:02
tassadar_hmm, I do wonder if n7's bootloader can boot the second bootloader, like u-boot20:08
tassadar_I mean, there is a entity called "second" in the boot.img, looks like it is just for that purpose20:09
RaYmAnI have yet to actually see any devices support the second part in boot.img's20:10
RaYmAnbut you could technically chainload a non-initializing u-boot packed as a boot.img kernel20:11
tassadar_ooh, so that is the way grub could actually be done even for devices with "locked" bootloader20:13
tassadar_now I see what ogra_ meant20:14
gurgalofkulve, yep, got it working...20:20
kulvegurgalof: great20:20
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quinceHi.  Just booted with daily build on nexus 7 for the first time, great to see the logo on the screen :-)23:35
quinceHowever, onscreen keyboard has stopped having any effect on the "Who are you" screen23:36
quince(ironic given that I was planning on doing some work on an onscreen keyboard)23:36
quincewhat's the best way to give it a poke?  I don't even know how to power it down from here...23:38
quinceAt some point I think the panel icons were unresponsive, and that trained me into thinking that the "Who are you" dialog was modal.  In fact I could just reboot using the power button icon at the top (but not using fastboot -- why?)23:53
quincegot through the dialog fine this time...23:54

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