[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <geser> good morning
[07:33] <dholbach> hi geser
[08:45] <dholbach> Laney, would it be possible to move our hangout forward by an hour? Jono decided to bring back our team meetings (which are at the same time :-))
[09:00] <dholbach> Is there anyone else who could imagine giving a session at Ubuntu developer Week? Maybe just a 30m demo? We still have a number of slots open: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[09:09] <Laney> dholbach: should be ok
[09:09] <Laney> I don't know which way forward is though :P
[09:10] <dholbach> Laney, 15 utc instead of 16 utc - would that work?
[09:10] <Laney> yeah
[09:10] <Laney> right in the middle of my patch piloting ;-)
[09:11] <dholbach> start earlier then ;-)
[09:11]  * dholbach hugs Laney
[09:13]  * Laney hugs dholbach 
[14:45] <dholbach> Laney, are we still on for in 15m?
[14:46] <Laney> yeah, sure
[14:47] <dholbach> sweet
[14:57] <mitya57_> dholbach: hey; what happened to http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/?
[14:58] <dholbach> mitya57_, bad timing now - will check in a bit
[14:58] <dholbach> mitya57_, maybe dpm can help figure it out - I have a hangout-on-air in a sec
[15:02] <dpm> dholbach, mitya57_, no idea what happened, but I've manually run the script to generate the output and it's back online
[15:10] <mitya57_> dpm: thanks
[15:11] <mitya57_> one more issue is that http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/es/singlehtml/ has no logo, but that's probably my fault
[16:32] <mfisch> Hey MOTUs, there's a ftbfs package that has a check in the rules file that the system it's being built on is PowerPC, yet the package is "all" so it breaks.  Is that legal?
[16:33] <mfisch> I'm curious how it ever worked for Debian
[16:33] <Laney> In Debian arch:all binaries are uploaded by the maintainer
[16:34] <Laney> mfisch: ^-
[16:34] <micahg> mfisch: is it legal? yes, can we build something like that at the moment? no, but it depends on what it is whether or not that's right
[16:35] <micahg> classic example is powerpc bios emulation that needs to be built on powerpc
[16:35] <mfisch> micahg: thats the one I think
[16:35] <mfisch> micahg: slof
[16:35] <mfisch> Laney: so the maintainer uploads binary packages?
[16:35] <Laney> correct
[16:35] <mfisch> interesting
[16:36] <mfisch> I was wondering where the debian build logs were last night...
[16:36] <Laney> that'll be why
[16:36] <micahg> yeah, that just won't work in Ubuntu until we can get arch:all building on !i386
[16:36] <micahg> well...in theory it could be done with multiarch hacking, but we don't have powerpc enabled by default with multiarch
[16:38] <mfisch> so the package is really an all package?
[16:38] <mfisch> just needs to be built on PPC
[16:38] <micahg> I'm guessing Debian will need to solve this problem as well once they try to build everything from source on the buildds
[16:39] <micahg> yes
[16:43] <mfisch> micahg: thanks for the info
[16:45] <Laney> do I remember a similar situation to this being discussed a couple of weeks ago?
[16:45] <Laney> infinity: ^---?
[16:47] <infinity> micahg: multiarch is the wrong answer here, affinity is the right answer (some sort of "Build-All-On: powerpc" header in the source).
[16:47] <micahg> infinity: yes, that's why I said hackery
[16:47] <infinity> micahg: But it's an irksome problem to fix in both Soyuz and DAK, so I haven't put much thought into it.
[16:47] <micahg> and in theory :)
[16:48] <infinity> micahg: Well, "we don't have powerpc enabled by default with multiarch" is a weird statement that makes little sense to me.
[16:48] <micahg> infinity: well, as I said, if Debian goes through with their plans for everything to be built on the buildds, policy will probably have to be extended to include some type of affinity
[16:48] <infinity> micahg: All arches are multiarch capable, that's sort of the point.  NONE of the buildd chroots enable multiarch for ANY secondary arch, to avoid cross-arch pollution.
[16:49] <micahg> infinity: was just verbalizing a hack that would work, not something that I'd upload
[16:49] <micahg> work == build and be installable with some tweaking, not correct solution by any means
[16:49] <infinity> Oh, unless you meant an all->powerpc cross-arch dep, like we do with wine.
[16:49] <infinity> That would absolutely work.
[16:49] <micahg> yes :)
[16:50] <infinity> But yes, not enabled by default.  Check.
[16:50] <infinity> Maybe I should put forward a proposal for Build-On affinity at some point.
[16:51] <infinity> I had hoped to JFDI and skip the bikeshedding, but I don't really have time.