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MooDoomorning all08:58
Ivankamorning09:15
czajkowskialoha09:16
czajkowskiIvanka: morning hows your week looking09:16
Ivankaczajkowski: morning09:16
Ivankaczajkowski: nightmare! :-)09:16
czajkowskiheh09:17
czajkowski3.day.week++09:19
christel509:34
Laney5 then 3 then 0!09:35
lornajanepeople - I'm organising a fosdem devroom, and I haven't actually been to the event before09:38
JamesTaitGood morning all! :-D09:38
lornajanecan anyone remember how late the devrooms usually run?  I'm not sure how many slots I should fill09:38
JamesTait40 years to the day since Apollo 17 landed on the moon!09:39
gordsounds like something czajkowski might know09:41
czajkowskilornajane: what do you mean  ?09:43
czajkowskilate?09:43
lornajaneczajkowski: well some of last year's schedule seem to run til like 7pm, which seems late to me09:44
czajkowskilornajane: oh right yes the day is long used to be 6pm09:45
czajkowskibut I think that was room constraints09:45
czajkowskilornajane: if you ask in #fosdem on freenode they'll help09:45
lornajaneczajkowski: okay, I will do that.  Thanks!  I figured the people here are my best overlap with fosdem09:45
lornajaneso excited that I get to go this year - Kevin's coming with me, and we had some nice submissions for the PHP room09:45
czajkowskiI LOVE FOSDEM!09:46
lornajaneczajkowski: I've been to froscon, but not fosdem, really looking forward to it09:50
lornajaneI did oscon last year and all the europeans talked about fosdem so I decided I couldn't miss it!09:50
daubersdaftykins: ?10:16
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:21
Laney♥ bourbons10:29
JohnRoberthello10:31
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)11:07
davmor2Morning all11:14
bigcalmHi davmor211:29
bigcalmdavmor2: on for Thursday?11:29
davmor2bigcalm: I was going to ask around today, I am, but it is getting hold of moreati so I think a trip to the twittersphere11:34
davmor2bigcalm: tweet tweeting11:45
popeyyo12:33
JohnRobertword12:40
davmor2up12:41
davmor2Wii wish ewe a merry christmas, there's something about this song doesn't feel right, I think it is sung by carboot enthusiasts  :D12:44
popeyhttp://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter13:14
JohnRobertcool13:15
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czajkowskiJoin us in 15 minutes (15:00 UTC) on ubuntuonair.com when we talk to Iain Lane ubuntu and debian hacker14:54
czajkowskifor those who want to see Laney in action14:54
Laney¬_¬14:54
czajkowskiLaney: just sharing :)14:55
Laneyheh14:56
davmor2whose this iain lane bloke, should we know him?14:56
davmor2:D14:56
directhexhas anyone seen debconf being all weird & green before?15:00
davmor2Laney: good luck dude have a blast :)15:01
DavieyLaney: I love your jumper.15:18
Azelphurjust listened to a hilarious call from my brother to sky15:20
Azelphur"Does your block of flats have less than 6 or more than 6 flats"15:20
Azelphur"No"15:20
Azelphurrinse and repeat a few times before they got the idea15:21
AzelphurxD15:21
LaneyDaviey: merci16:03
LaneyI asked for a Christmas jumper and that's wot I got16:04
SuperEngineerpowers to monitor email and internet use need a "fundamental rethink", Nick Clegg says.16:09
SuperEngineeragreed...16:09
SuperEngineerI'll do the re-work for them [cheap]16:09
SuperEngineer...change the word "needed" to "not needed"!16:09
SuperEngineer...change the word "required" to "not wanted"16:10
SuperEngineer...change the word "monitoring" to "offensive intrusion".16:11
SuperEngineer...that'll be £10,000 for the consultancy, Mr. Clegg!16:11
BigRedSAnyone know the 'standard' means of adding vhosts to apache in CentOS etc., in lieu of a sites-available/sites-enabled setup?16:12
BigRedSI know I can stick it anywhere, but the next guy to look at this server might know where I live16:12
SuperMattI guess you just do what feels right :/16:14
SuperMattI know it loads everything from conf.d so you could stick something in there16:14
SuperMattthat's what subversion did automatically16:14
BigRedSwhat feels right rarely involves centos :)16:15
SuperMattwell no16:16
SuperMattI happen to agree with you there16:16
SuperMattseems a bit weird that redhat hasn't picked up the whole "stick the enabled sites into the sites-enabled folder" but I think I know why16:16
SuperMattdebian likes to separate config files into "system" stuff and then the stuff the user is likely to modify16:17
SuperMattthis means when there is an update, the system stuff may get changed, but the user stuff doesn't16:17
SuperMattbut redhat doesn't really get *upgraded* from one version to another16:17
SuperMattonce your redhat box is running, it just sits there until you get a new one16:18
SuperMattat which point you just copy your old config across16:18
SuperMattso just one config file is fine16:18
BigRedSthe sites-enabled/sites-available thing does annoy puppet types16:19
SuperMattI'll bet it does16:19
BigRedSbut it's brilliant for automating things in shared hosting environments16:19
SuperMattindeed16:20
SuperMattI think it's silly that red hat changes the bloody names of things too16:23
SuperMattoh apache2 is too complicated to remember16:23
SuperMattit's gotta be httpd16:24
SuperMattdespite the fact that mysqld, postgresqld etc all keep their names16:24
SuperMattwho knows, maybe in redhat 7, mysql will be called databased16:24
* Azelphur just ordered BT Infinity 2 - 76mbit16:34
MartijnVdSAzelphur: *yawn* :P16:45
MartijnVdSAzelphur: not 100/100? :)16:48
AzelphurMartijnVdS: unfortunately not :(16:53
MartijnVdSAzelphur: just come to the right side of the water ;)16:53
Azelphurhehe16:54
SuperEngineerAnyone know of a way to shorten the time a "notification" in Unity displays itself?  Hunted in dconf, sys settings etc all to no avail.17:04
SuperEngineer[in 12.04]17:05
SuperMattSuperEngineer: I don't think it's possible because I think the app controls how long it's there fore17:07
SuperEngineerSuperMatt: that's what feared... thanks17:08
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AlanBellSuperEngineer: it is hackable17:23
SuperEngineerAlanBell: ooo, go on - givus a clue pretty please17:25
AlanBelljust having a gander at timings.c17:25
SuperEngineerah hah!17:25
SuperEngineerme likey17:25
AlanBellthe time they stay there is complicated17:27
AlanBellthere is a scheduled duration, a max duration and conditions that extend the timing17:27
MartijnVdSAlanBell: And space is big. Really big.17:27
MartijnVdSAlanBell: You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is.17:27
AlanBellspace is somewhere in which thing can be big17:27
SuperEngineercheers AlanBell17:27
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: not if you have an infinite motion drive!17:28
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: sure, or no mass.17:28
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: but as I have neither..17:28
AlanBellok, it is in defaults.c17:28
AlanBellhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~notify-osd-developers/notify-osd/main/view/head:/src/defaults.c#L14817:29
AlanBellright there17:29
SuperEngineerAlanBell: looking at that now17:30
AlanBellit is a hard coded bunch of stuff that complies with startling precision to the design team specification17:31
MartijnVdSconfigurability > compiled-in constants17:32
AlanBellthis is all part of the "one true design" thing17:32
MartijnVdSThe Thousand-Year Design?17:32
AlanBellsomething like that17:33
MartijnVdSOne Design to Rule them All?17:33
* SuperEngineer loves the line "#define DEFAULT_GRAVITY"17:33
AlanBellall the constants are defined in one place, I suspect the design team didn't want them in dconf17:33
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: is it set to 9.8?17:33
AlanBellnope, NORTH_EAST I expect17:33
AlanBellthey also implemented EAST17:34
SuperEngineernah! nor 4,4so obviously never been to my planet  ;)17:34
MartijnVdSAlanBell: nah, I suspect it was a last-minute rush job, so constants are easier17:34
AlanBellbut no other ordinals because the design specification didn't call for notifications to be anywhere else17:34
AlanBellMartijnVdS: nope, it wasn't17:34
MartijnVdSAlanBell: they never bothered to change it because nobody asked and just before release, there wasn't time17:34
MartijnVdS(cynical? me? nah!)17:35
AlanBellno, this was unconfigurable by design, the jaunty-notification design specified the number of seconds for notifications, deviation from the design wasn't really allowed at all17:35
MartijnVdSNeither was focus-follows-mouse17:36
MartijnVdSit still exists17:36
SuperEngineerwe *will* not tolerate any deviation from the design!17:37
SuperEngineeryou will *not* complain17:37
SuperEngineerresistance is futile?17:38
SuperEngineerwell - I resist!17:38
SuperEngineerMartijnVdS: I implemented focus-follows-mouse but oh so easy to give away a ppassword if not careful17:40
MartijnVdSSuperEngineer: password-asking apps should grab the focus if they need it17:41
SuperEngineeragreed! what is needed for focus is "focus-to-latest-dialogue" [or whatever it is called]17:42
marsilainen_hi, is there a way to turn off the message that gets displayed (around once a day?) telling me that the version of Ubuntu I'm using is out of support? (11.04)17:42
SuperEngineer[as per can be implemented in, sorry for the swear word, WinXp]17:43
jacobwevening17:45
davmor2marsilainen_: disconnect from the internet possibly.  other than that not that I am aware of.17:47
marsilainen_hmmm :/17:48
marsilainen_I want to do the upgrade, but I don't have the time to risk it ATM17:48
SuperEngineermarsilainen_: in update manager - is there not the option to turn off such notifications?17:48
marsilainen_so it's likely to be a few weeks before I get the chance17:48
marsilainen_and it's a MythTV front-end box so a little annoying17:49
SuperEngineermarsilainen_: sorry - didn't realise you were using Myth - don't know about that17:51
marsilainen_I think it's still using the same update manager17:51
marsilainen_I will check the settings, maybe I missed something17:51
SuperEngineermarsilainen_: then try setting "notify me for..." to "never"???17:52
SuperEngineer['m only guessing btw]17:52
jacobwupgrading is not a risk17:54
SuperEngineerIn case anyone ever doubts their instincts, have a quick fable on me:17:58
SuperEngineerwhen you suspect a thermistor in a boiler has failed - don't change the thermocouple just because you can't find the thermistor!17:59
marsilainen_jacobw: staying on the 11.04 release is a risk (no more security updates etc) but upgrading is a risk surely - are you saying that no-one encounters issues when they upgrade?17:59
SuperEngineerheating engr arrived today, certified & congratulated work on thermocouple18:00
SuperEngineertold him my suspicions...18:00
jacobwmarsilainen_: i thought you meant apt-get upgrade18:01
SuperEngineerhe pointed to excatly where the thermistor was and proved I was right :(  doh!18:01
jacobwmarsilainen_: have you tried a live environment yet?18:01
davmor2marsilainen_: open software-sources, open the updates tab, change notify about new ubuntu versions to never.  that's about the only thing I can see to suggest you may still get bugged about it though18:01
jacobwor `sudo do-release-upgrade` :)18:02
davmor2marsilainen_: also once on precise you are on an lts so you will have at least 2 years before you are bugged again18:02
marsilainen_jacobw: well I guess even that has some risks (though I agree fairly low) but I'll be upgrading through a few releases (to 12.04). This is something I want to do in a few weeks when I have the time to test with a live version and backup first etc so just looking to stop nags for a few weeks18:03
marsilainen_davmor2: thanks, I've just done that - wasn't clear if it will stop them or not but worth a try18:03
marsilainen_and yes, will get it onto LTS and I believe that the future mythbuntu plan is to stick to LTS releases only from now18:04
davmor2marsilainen_: the other thing you can do is change the daily to weekly then you are only bugged once a week rather than daily18:04
jacobwmarsilainen_: you don't have to upgrade through releases to keep your home directory, if you do an install without formating the home filesystem the installer will leave it intact18:04
marsilainen_jacobw: I understand that the upgrade should work fine and I want to do it, but I don't want to do it right now as I don't want to risk breaking things18:05
marsilainen_I realise that likely there will be no probalems18:05
marsilainen_but if there are problems I don't have time to fix them right now18:05
jacobwmarsilainen_: that's sensible :)18:05
marsilainen_and I don't want to be without a working TV setup until I have time to fix them18:05
marsilainen_I'm totally reliant on MythTV for all TV watching for the last year and a half now18:06
stevepdpevening all20:03
jacobwuntil the end of the 18th century the majority of books were written in Latin.21:08
jacobwsorry, i genuinely have no idea how i just pasted that21:08
AlanBellthe internet would be a much more civilized place if it was all in latin :)21:10
dutchieita vero21:13
* jacobw → sleep21:13
solarcloud_3scrnAlanBell, E Veritate Potens .. althou. solarcloud_3scrn has said this before .... :)21:19
RaycisCharlesAlanBell: or people had to use their real names...21:27
* RaycisCharles stares at AlanBell21:27
AlanBellactually people are mostly cool with being obnoxious under their real names, they are on Facebook21:28
neuroSi omnes coactus lingua Latina uti, omnia quae ventura est augmentum in traffic ad Google Translate.21:32
neuroMultus magis vertitis a Monty Python.21:34
neuro(that one didn't quite work)21:34
solarcloud_3scrnLatin .. the only 'tin' is on my kitchen cabinet  .. it keeps the teabags from going off :)21:36
solarcloud_3scrnAnyone here tonight ??21:46
popeymaybe21:53
Laneytime for christmas shopping21:55
* Laney runs outside to chase squirrels21:59
Ruinti'm here22:03
RuintXD22:03
Laneyinstead i got distracted by watching simpsons clips on youtube22:05
Laneyhttp://youtu.be/JcSUWP0QNeY22:05
Ruintis everyone here actually british ?22:05
AlanBellno, but this is a UK focussed channel22:05
Ruinto22:05
AlanBelleveryone is welcome22:06
Ruintapart from the 27 people in the banlist, i assume22:06
AlanBellnaturally22:07
LaneyRuint: Complete the following sentences to determine whether you can stay. Tea is (a) great, (b) crap. Pip ___. Tally __. When I see a queue I (a) join it, regardless of where it goes (b) ignore it and go straight to the front. Damn those fools waiting in line. And tell us the second verse of the national anthem.22:09
Ruintnobody knows the second verse, we're just aware it's humourously anti-scottish22:10
Ruinti don't like tea; pip-squeak, tally-ho, join queue22:11
Ruintit's not my fault i don't like tea, don't judge me :922:11
Ruint:(22:11
AlanBellI would have gone for pip pip, but pip-squeak works too22:11
RuintLaney: i normally ask people 'what is your impression of go-compare's tv adverts'22:12
Laneyyou mean that there are people who like them?22:12
Ruintno22:12
RuintTHAT FFFFKNG OPERA SINGERDFSDFF22:12
Ruintis the standard response22:13
* Laney approves of that22:13
Ruinthttp://realcitizenshiptest.co.uk/quiz.php?n=1 works too22:13
Ruinti have a uk focused channel too, so i'm more used to asking than i am being asked22:14
AlanBell9/10.22:18
AlanBellI got the Greece one wrong apparently22:18
Ruinto22:18
Ruinti only got 7/1022:18
LaneyHAH. TEN.22:19
Ruint:(22:19
solarcloud_3scrnpopey Et All..,Oh people are here !22:28
Ruintyup22:28
* Laney scoffs bourbons22:29
solarcloud_3scrnI was just looking at the Manx Tax sharing agreements.. Perhaps MrShuttleworth will be leaving soon , dunno.22:29
solarcloud_3scrnAnyone tried Tong lately ? http://www.nongnu.org/tong/22:35
solarcloud_3scrnhttp://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android geting there ..22:38
solarcloud_3scrnAwesome !! https://plus.google.com/108929111533659263063/posts/Ro6eSCPy5JL22:43
solarcloud_3scrn... everyon'e gone again .22:47
* solarcloud_3scrn checks his breath.22:47
solarcloud_3scrnoh BTW Fosted shredded wheat is on sale again in Tesco for 70p a pack !22:49
* solarcloud_3scrn bought 12 boxes today, alone !22:49
solarcloud_3scrn**that is Frosted Shredded Wheat...22:50
Ruintthat's a lot of wheat23:02
RaycisCharlessolarcloud_3scrn, that's good value.23:02
RaycisCharlesIs it a 500g pack though?23:03
Ruintdepends on the box sixe23:03
Ruintyou must be a veritable shit machine23:03
* solarcloud_3scrn is looking in kitchen ..23:03
Ruintso much wholegrain cereal23:03
solarcloud_3scrnyep it's 500g A-OK .. !!23:03
Ruintmight invest in that23:04
Ruintdo they stil have terrys chocolate oranges £2.98 buy one get two free?23:04
solarcloud_3scrngood thing is .. is that you can have it in snacks without milk ..23:04
solarcloud_3scrnyep, its that good !23:04
Ruintsolarcloud_3scrn: that's true, but the king of snack cereal is those oat cluster things23:05
solarcloud_3scrnthey do those too..23:05
solarcloud_3scrnbut they cost 50p a pack more ... :(23:05
* solarcloud_3scrn noticed some packs of cereal that cost a whoping £4.50 today .. like WTF ?23:06
Ruintmm jordan's country crisp23:06
Ruinto23:06
solarcloud_3scrnit's just energy to e .23:06
Ruinttesco finest granola stuff ?23:06
solarcloud_3scrn**me.23:06
Ruinti think the price point only exists because enough people are dumb enough to buy it23:07
solarcloud_3scrn.. cant remember the 4-50 stuff but i think it was a kelloggs brand .23:07
Ruintif you put a premium product in a category that didn't have one, 205 of people will buy it to feel good about themselves23:07
solarcloud_3scrn.. eah, some people are dumb, tru.23:07
Ruint20% ^23:07
solarcloud_3scrn~~**yeah , sorry new keyboard.23:08
neurowelcome to #ubuntu-cereal23:08
Ruint:(23:09
solarcloud_3scrnit's a reality series !!23:09
Ruintif it's not an appropriate topic23:09
Ruinti can steal everyone away to my channel23:09
Ruintbut advertising is likely frowned upon23:09
solarcloud_3scrnok , point taken.23:10
RaycisCharlesI'm eating Asda Fruit n' Fibre right now.23:10
RaycisCharlesRuint, unless you own ##cereal, we're not interested.23:10
solarcloud_3scrnhash-cereal .. what is that a Seattle brand ?23:11
RaycisCharlessolarcloud_3scrn: I bought 12 boxes of these: http://quaker.co.uk/products/oat-so-simple-kids-will-love23:11
* solarcloud_3scrn patents hash-cereal-bars idea.23:11
RuintRaycisCharles: nope :(23:11
solarcloud_3scrnWow that link is a bit scary .. is it past the watershed yet ?23:12
Ruinti normally have a flapjack for breakfast23:15
Ruintcereal is too time consuming23:15
Ruintread the metro on the train, eat a flapjack23:16
Ruintperfect breakfast23:16
RaycisCharlesThat's so Scottish.23:16
RaycisCharlesTake it to #ubuntu-scotland23:16
Ruintbut i'm english23:16
Ruintthey were talking about porridge23:16
Ruintyou were23:16
Ruinteven23:16
Ruinti bet you eat it with salt23:17
Ruintfreak :(23:17
RaycisCharlesAsk not what your oatmeal can do for you, but what you can do for your oatmeal.23:18
Ruintsuggest comic ideas?23:18
Ruint(theoatmeal)23:18
solarcloud_3scrnRuint, Flapjack is for evening !! I make a flapjack mix of microwaved butter (Kerry) , brown sugar and a small amount of Oats in a bowl = flapjack mix !! I always sleep well.23:19
Ruinto23:19
Ruinthttp://www.higatesltd.co.uk/oatsatisfy/?q=oat-bar-almonds-brazils-cranberries-sultanas-topped-dark-chocolate-flavour-coating23:21
Ruintwith a can of sugar free energy drink23:21
* solarcloud_3scrn reaches for his last rollie of the day.(with three filters).23:21
Ruintis the breakfast of kings23:21
Ruintyou have to try it to believe it23:21
solarcloud_3scrnmaybe , but porridge last you all day .. although it does take skill to make a good bowl :)23:23
solarcloud_3scrnI bought 1 packs of Oats (Scottish) last month aswell.23:24
solarcloud_3scrn**10 packs23:24
solarcloud_3scrnActually, I am still looking for a service that scans in all of your/my receipts so I can keep them on my computer .. any ideas ?23:25
solarcloud_3scrnapparently, it is common-place in america.23:25
solarcloud_3scrn(must be located in U.K., obviously)23:26
Ruintsolarcloud_3scrn: your bank may reccomend one that they will export your financial info to23:29
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Ruintor at least provide a list of the ones they're compatible with23:30
solarcloud_3scrnRuint, I just want digital copies of reciepts that is all.23:30
Ruinto23:30
Ruintno idea23:30
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solarcloud_3scrnerrr, Ok.23:31
RaycisWithChildI heard 13.04 will let you buy children from China.23:31
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solarcloud_3scrnRaycisWithChild, interesting, but relevant ?23:33
solarcloud_3scrnhttps://plus.google.com/communities/110114451726939312635   ::: Looks a good effort.23:37
solarcloud_3scrn& there is always .. https://plus.google.com/communities/11837369253022699893623:38
solarcloud_3scrnnightie night all.23:48

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