[01:32] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all!
[05:14] <hodgiemoto> mmm.. bacon.
[10:31] <rmg51> Morning
[10:52] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:52] <InHisName> Morning
[10:53] <JonathanD> Hi InHisName
[10:54] <InHisName> Hello JonathanD
[13:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[13:08] <JonathanD> Hi.
[13:08] <teddy-dbear> o/
[15:10] <InHisName> Tried intalling qtorrent in live CD on bad machine.   Ubuntu software center --> files not found ???!!!??    details listed  http:// addresses of deb files.   Copied one to browser and looked. Not found.  Looked at just the directory.  Big list of lots of 'versions' EXCEPT the one requested by software center.   Looks like someone pulled that set of files but forgot to tell software center.  Vuze had intall problems too.
[15:12] <InHisName> Then tried lesser one: BitStormLite  - that one installed.  Runs.  BUUUUuuuut  nothing is downloading.  I suspect the private tracker is "not found" also.   Seeders, leeches, etc. all stay at 0 reported.   0 uploaded and downloaded. Nothing happening.  I haven't found way to view whether tracker is connected or not.
[17:06] <ChinnoDog> Safari sent me a year end special to pay for a year of access for $399. Not bad.
[17:07] <ChinnoDog> That might be my xmas present to myself
[17:18] <waltman> You could buy a lot of books for $399.
[17:21] <waltman> Or you could join the ACM for $99 which comes with access to Safari.
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> I joined ACM waltman, but their safari selection is nowhere close to the full library
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> I have been wishing for full library access ever since.
[17:23] <ChinnoDog> There is no replacement for Safari unlimited.
[17:43] <jedijf> and we all know ChinnoDog needs the full library
[17:50] <waltman> I guess I like the idea of Safari, but I find it tough to read more than a chapter or so of a book over their UI.
[17:52] <jedijf> i am still having a hard time with anything other than paper
[17:52] <jedijf> trying though
[17:52] <jedijf> and i miss your lj critiques
[17:53] <jedijf> as i have yet to read an electronic edition
[17:53] <pleia2> I think I read half of one
[17:53] <waltman> I had been reading the epub version, but the past few months it's been showing up in the iOS Newstand.
[17:54] <waltman> Reading the Newstand version on an iPad is real close to an actual print edition.
[17:54] <jedijf> koolaid
[17:54] <waltman> of course, the content the past couple of months has been drupal and python :)
[17:55] <pleia2> harder to roll up and stuff in my purse while I'm on the bus though
[17:55] <jedijf> that'll be next - like those keyboards
[17:55] <waltman> I'm trying to wean myself of my piles and piles of old magazines and papers
[17:55] <ChinnoDog> I much prefer ePaper to display to screen but I end up reading so much stuff on my computer anyway
[17:56] <pleia2> I've stopped reading magazines just because they were sent to me and I felt obligated
[17:56] <jedijf> guilt reading club
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[17:56] <pleia2> got a random subscription to Fortune over the summer, huh, this is interesting
[17:56] <pleia2> it's weekly
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> circular file
[17:56] <waltman> pleia2: I just started getting the paper version of CACM, and it's really nice. :)
[17:56] <pleia2> waltman: I do like CACM :)
[17:57] <pleia2> I am always behind on them because it takes me a while to read one
[17:57] <waltman> nod
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> My problem is that I didn't understand what to do with magazines. I would keep them thinking I would read them again.
[17:57] <waltman> ChinnoDog: yeah, me too
[17:57] <jedijf> yeah, that's the standard lie
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> 1. receive magazine. 2. read. 3. take whatever notes I'm going to take 4. chuck, trade, or donate
[17:57] <pleia2> when I was at the ACM Turing event people were 1) surprised I was there (I'm not an academic, didn't even go to school, I actually work in the field(!)) 2) I read CACM (no one does!)
[17:57] <waltman> then I find I've been in my condo for 20 years and I've got piles of old magazines EVERYWHERE
[17:58] <jedijf> yeah that db the articles for later is a big geek lie too
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[17:58] <pleia2> hehe
[17:58] <waltman> pleia2: when I was in grad school I had a student membership and I'd just read pdfs of articles that sounded interesting
[17:58] <jedijf> every decade i get rid of 2 decades old mags
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> A database for things that we won't get to read in this lifetime. Hope there is a computer available in the afterlife.
[17:58] <jedijf> ago old
[17:59] <waltman> I actually HAVE recently read some things I'd instapapered :)
[18:00] <jedijf> 10 yers ago i donated all of my old tae kwon do mags - recently /most/ guitar mags and tab books (kept a couple acoustic mags)
[18:00] <waltman> next I need to switch to an electronic version of my Inquirer subscription
[18:00] <jedijf> the old linux stuff, believe it or not is still fairly useful
[18:00] <jedijf> waltman: i toyed with that idea too
[18:01] <jedijf> when they were giving the tablet/reader on last ownership's way out the door
[18:04] <jedijf> the lj dvd archives with the little web browser search thingy are fun
[18:04] <jedijf> local